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Seeing as y'all loved my idea of Ford giving himself to Stan as a trophy for saving everyone, Stan nearly cumming on the spot so much; I wrote a short about it! Fair warning, I am horrible at spelling/wording things 😅 so beware!

Ford shifted nervously, trying to get comfortable on the bed. He had noticed Stan's lingering glances, how his eyes trailed down his body, how his face would get far to red when Ford was close, how he would excuse himself with any reason he could come up with and sometimes not even that- just leaving the room while blabbering something that could be mistaken for english.

It was definitely unexpected, something he even had done experiments to confirm because it felt so unbelievable but- it was true. It took time for him to accept it, not because it made him uncomfortable but because- well, no one has ever wanted him this way and yet- here Stan was. he never had thought Stan would want him like that, want to touch him, feel him but apparently- he did. Badly enough he couldn't hide it.

Stan always took care of Ford, protected him and now he had even saved the entire multiverse. He wasn't just Fords hero but a hero to all of existence rather they knew it or not. He had given everything so- what was this in the face of that? It was the least Ford could do, wasn't it? He trusted Stan more than anyone, he knew Stan wouldn't hurt him and- well, he was expranced too.

Ford could give this to Stan, to his hero. Take care of him, give him some relief from everything. He could only hope Stan would accept this.

Ford lay on the bed completely naked, his cock leaking in anticipation of what's to come. His mind already woundering through one scenario after the other of what Stan wanted to do to him. His face flushed hot red, he had never given himself to anyone before and now he was laying here in wait to do just that. He was giving himself over to his brother, giving him everything. Ford tenced as the door swung open, whatever Stan was saying had been cut short

"Hey Sixer, yo- " his eyes widdened as he looked at Ford, his gaze slowly trailing down to Fords cock. Stan was already hard if the very noticeable buldge in his pants was anything to go by, but there was still room for this to go bad.. at least- there WAS.

Watching Ford's cock twitch under his gaze, Stan whimpered wantingly. gritting his teeth in his last attempt at restraint but he couldn't help himself. Ford watched as Stan desperately palmed at himself, a loud moan taring from his brother's throat as his knees buckled. Supporting his weight up with one hand on the mattress, tightly fisting the sheets below as his eyes remain locked onto Ford. Stan's body shutteres and jurked and he came, years of need unloading in his pants and soaking his boxers. His head droping behind his elbow on the mattress as the last of his cum left him.

Ford eyes widdened as he watched, Stan just- he came just at the very sight of Ford like this. like he couldn't help it, control himself, couldn't stop his bodies reaction to SEEING Ford this way. Flattery and disbelief couldn't begin to define the feeling filling Fords chest as he breathed out,

"Moses Stanley-- did you just- " Stan looked up from the bed, breathing heavily as he pleaded

"Please, Sixer.. can I.." Stan didn't finish his sentence and he didn't need to, Ford nodded eager to learn exactly Stan wanted to do to him.

"Yes" Stan breathed out deeply, his breath shaking with want and relief to have Fords permission, a soft 'thank you' on his lips. Ford bit back a moan as Stan's lips met the bace of his cock, his toung tasting Ford before he pulled back just enough to speak

"Thank you" he was THANKING Ford for letting him suck his dick. Like it was a privilege. Stan pressed back in against Ford, inhaling deeply as if he was trying to fuse the scent in his lungs. He began licking and kissing Ford's cock, using his hand to pleasure what he couldn't. Slowly stroking Ford, He groaned in satisfaction. Ford softly moaning at the feeling of Stan's rough voice vibrating through him, and then- Stans lips where around him. Slowly bobbing his head up and down his langth, Stan wet and warm toung tasting Ford as he moaned around his cock. Ford couldn't help his cries, his hips wanting to jerk forward in Stans mouth, to feel MORE. He grabbed at his own hair, not trusting himself with Stan's -how could he when it felt THIS good?

"Aah! Stanley! Ooh- fuck!" Stan moaned, taking all of Ford. He nearly screamed in pleasure as his cock slid down Stan's throat, he thrusted into Stan's mouth uncontrollably, he's hands grabbing onto Stan's hair as he fucked his face. Stan's moaning only growing in intensity and God- Stan's rough voice was like a vibrator. One that was wet, warm and completely enveloped his cock.

It didn't take long for his to reach his end, he tried to push Stan off as came but he only pushed Ford's dick in deeper. Thick white cum unloading in Stan's throat with a long and drawn out moan, swollwing everything Ford had to give. He stayed there for a while before pulling off, sucking him until his lips left Ford's tip now free of any sign he had came at all. Both of them panting, trying to catch their breath. Ford barley managing to breathe out, his words segmented between each inhale

"Sweet moses- Stanley... I.. I didn't even need- to touch you.." Stan gently kissed Fords inner thigh, they were shaking and weak in ways completely new to Ford.

"You- have no idea how badly I want you.. fuck.. I- can't remember the last time- I came twice this quick" Ford looked up at Stan,

"Holy fuck Stanley.. you- " Stan pulled his weak body up into the mattress, hovering above Ford as he answered

"Yeah.. I did" with that, he rolled over onto his back besides his brother. Both of them passed out besides eachother, far to exhausted to clean up.

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Idk if this makes any sense at all but I thought I'd give it a shot. Warning: mention of abuse and harmful mindset from it

One day, Stan randomly tells Ford that he'd let him hurt him if he wanted to. After years of being abused by ppl in several different ways, some of which they actively enjoyed taking part in- it's become this twisted 'right' in his head. Some horrible product of a particular inner dialogue he developed to survive.

"No one takes Stanley Pines down without a fight." It sounds fine, a good ideal to follow but with it comes a ever so deadly silent-- "get"

They don't GET to make him helpless, they don't GET to use him, they don't GET hurt him, they don't GET to do anything to him without a fight. He didn't LET them hurt him without a fight because they don't DESERVE it. -- "I'm strong, I'm my own man and no one GETS to take me down with out a fight." It makes it a 'right of way'

Because there is only one person who could even be a exception to the rule, who deserves it, who GETS too- Ford. He is surrendering to Ford now. You can hurt me, I'd let you. It's a very twisted idea of love, the idea of "I love you so I'll let you"

Ford is of course shocked, confused and deeply disturbed by this. His mind making connections to Bill, how he would abuse Ford. The idea of him hurting him and Stan just- letting him? Not fighting back? It makes him feel sick.

he tells Stan he would never want to hurt him, of course they had their fights but it's DIFFERENT. they fought but Ford was sorry for branding Stan because he doesn't really want to hurt him. He ask Stan why in hell he would think or say that? The only answer Stan has is "because I love you"

Ford is only more mortified. He tells Stan he doesn't, and never has, wanted to hurt him. Maybe he's near tears by now at the idea Stan thought he DID. He doesn't want that- ability. He doesn't want to hurt Stan, he doesn't want Stan to let himself be hurt because he loves him. He makes Stan promise to NEVER let Ford just- hurt him. To tell him if anyone or if he's hurt Stan somehow. Ford is mortified, but Stan-- Stan is soaring. Because dispute all he's done, all he's fucked up, all the pain he's caused Ford.. he doesn't want to hurt Stan. He doesn't hate him for it, he doesn't want revenge or think Stan needs to be punished. He doesn't think Stan DESERVES to be hurt. More over- he WANTS Stan to fight him if he ever does. He wants him to not LET Ford hurt him. He doesn't want Stan to be hurt even if he decides Stan deserves it because regardless of whatever he's done- he loves Stan enough that he simply doesn't want him to hurt..

It's a love Stan hasn't known. Unconditional. Love that puts stan FIRST.

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After his time dimension hopping- Ford now eats like a animal:

Extra ^u^

Maybe named it "thumbs" or "mittens" lol.

(first time posting my art here! Sorry for shakh lines, I got nerve damage and am feeling lazy :p Hope y'all like it!) ^u^

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Now that they're together again, Ford picks up on Stan pinning for him because fuck- Stan is out of practice at hiding it and being away from Ford has only made it WORSE.

Ford wants Stan to but he won't admit it so instead, he deludes himself into acting on it for Stan, for the hero of the entire multiverse. Stan saved all of reality, the least Ford could do his give him this, right?

Stan walks into the room and Ford is just- naked and hard. Stan freezes, he can't look away from Ford's body let alone his cock. Maybe Ford spreads his legs more or says Stans name, somehow he let's his brother know this is his.

Ford wasn't entirely sure what to expect, but Stan whimpering before breaking and touching himself for all of a few seconds before cumming in his pants- was not it. Neither was Stan asking him if he can suck Ford off and all of this REALLY does it for Ford's ego. Stan, a hero couldn't be in the same room as him like this with out cumming, nearly, on the spot.

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Warning: mention of sexwork, trauma from it, sort of SA and drug use?

So- we've seen Ford manipulate people to get what he wants so maybe, during his time detention hopping, he learned how to flirt, lead people on to get what he wants.

Stan finds out when Ford does it to get out of a situation and God- that hurts. He doesn't actually know that Ford's done it before, they haven't talked about it but since it wasn't a train wreck, he (correctly) assumes.

He doesn't know how Ford had to go with it but his mind is already drawing parallels to his time doing sexwork- doing what HE had to inorder to make money and survive.

Suddenly all these feelings, both the romantic and expesually the sexual ones, he has for Ford feels gross. It makes him feel sick thinking of what Ford might have been through. How, out of anyone, he is supposed to be a safe person for Ford.

Stan thinks Ford doesn't want that from him, he wants and deserves a NORMAL brother and that's not Stan. He knows it never will be him- he's tried to move on, he's tried to hate Ford but in the end he can't. When Ford calls- he's there and always will be.

He starts pulling away from Ford, joking more and definitely flirting with other people more- maybe sleeps with a few even though he doesn't really want to. Just trying to get those feelings out but of course it doesn't work.

I could see this going two ways: one, Stan runs away. Leaving a note telling Ford that this is for the best. Of course, Ford isn't going to let that happen. He JUST got Stan back and he isn't going to lose him again, let alone for what ever self hating journey he's on. He finds Stan and they fight. Pinning him, Stan now crying, Ford demands to know why. Stan beggs Ford to just let him go but of course he refuses. Stan breaks, he tells Ford he loves him and he's sorry. He's tried not to, he knows Ford doesn't want this. Of course, Ford tells him he's wrong. Ford does love him, want this from him.. but that can't be. Stan tells him, beggs Ford to not do this with HIM (using this kind of thing to get what he wants/needs) that he CAN'T be that to Ford. (Damned it Stan, just let yourself be loved!)

Ford promise Stan it's not that that, he's loved Stan his entire life- it's why he pushed Stan away. He convinces Stan and FINALLY, they can be together.

OR

Stan gets his hands on the (forget what it's called) like, brake up potion. He starts dosing himself and it's KILLING him. It can't undo this, Ford is his other half, his soulmate and trying to undo it is to undo HIM. He starts getting sick, why isn't it working? It needs to work. He keeps using it, maybe upping the dosage. it makes him feel pain and nausea at Fords touch, just looking at Ford makes his chest hurt, makes him dizzy and gives him a headache but it STILL isn't working. Stan still loves him, even as he starts disassociating, trying to make him forget Ford... Why is he alive again?

Stan tries to hide it but eventually he can't, Ford worries and Stan tried to tell him he's fine but Stan faints. This isn't a normal sickness, it's got to be a anomaly. Ford rips Stans room apart, there has to be SOMETHING and he finds the potion. Far more of it gone than there should be for one person. Ford gets rid of it and treats Stan, let's his soul recover. Why? Who?

But- it's only Ford and him out here.. who else? Stan wakes up and Fords just- sitting there on the edge of the bed. They are quite for a long time before Ford says: "you could have died" Stan doesn't say anything but Ford does. He confesses his own feelings, how he's buried them all these years. Through tears, he makes Stan promise to NEVER do that again, to never take him from Ford because he CAN'T lose him. Stan can't speak, he freezes in place in shock before pressing his lips against Fords. They kiss and Stan promises. Ford's stuck with him for good now- Ford's perfectly fine with that.

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So- we all know that Stan and Ford don't communicate but what if Stan started to?

We see that Stan has self-help books, maybe they help teach how to communicate or- maybe he got more help books about relationships now that he has Ford back. Wanting to repair their relationship

It wouldn't be done in the usual way of course- having a sit down just isn't right, doesn't feel safe or even remotely comfortable. But I could see him passively and far to casually mentioning it as he does something else like cleaning the dishes. It would start small, maybe just something Ford does that annoys him and when that goes well- Ford probably just saying something like

"I- supposes I'll have to work on that then" Stan starts testing it more. From "I missed you" to "been depressed" or "wakin up's been hard" ect

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I want to talk about Stans weak spot for Ford a bit and stuff I've noticed.

First, there is his freeze response. Stan is normally quick to act in tence situations but when it comes to Ford- he only has one of three responses.

Freeze: He calls Ford only to hang up because he froze, he didn't have words. When Ford was being sucked through the portal, Stan froze in place, asking what to do instead of just- acting like he usually does. There are probably more examples but that's the ones I can think of.

Optimism/jokes: when Ford tells him that he is going to collage, we can see Stan painfully tying to be optimistic that Ford isn't going. When Ford finds his ruined project, Stan tries the optimistic approach again- talking about how they can go sailing now. When Ford comes back through the portal, Stan makes a joke about his sideburns even though he had to be nearly exploding with emotions.

And anger, I don't think I need to provide examples for this one though I'll say this seems to have become Stans go to after he was kicked out. He is so deeply hurt and doesn't know how to handle it.

I don't remember the users name, but someone also pointed out how Stan always crosses his arms when conflicting with Ford. Trying to physically protect himself from the emotional situation because Ford is just THAT close to him. His weak spot.

Lastly, I want to mention how Stan only really cares, can get upset, hurt, ect with things that reminds him of Ford. The twins? Reminds him of Ford and him, even not wanting to give then back after holding them. Then there is the time he tried to go fishing with them, getting hurt when they didn't want to. He gets upset when the shack is damaged because it reminds him of Ford. He gets upset (though he plays it off) when the twins find Fords room, because it's Fords. Ect

The list really does go on. Stan cares about Ford so deeply it dictates so much of what we see from him. Of who Stan is.

Ford is APART of Stan.

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So, a lot of us know Stan looked fucking amazing with that mullet (me included) though the problem I was having is that STAN didn't like it. At first I figured that it was just toxic masculinity stuff that was hammered into his head giving the time they grew up in- but I heard (maybe I'm wrong?) that Alex Hirsch said something along the lines that he was ahead of the fashion trend so- that would make it a personal preference and I was all sad about it when I realized-

That doesn't say how FORD feels about it! Stan would totally grow it back and probably learn to like it if Ford said he did. Stan feels kinda weird with it back but Ford plays with his hair so much more often, brushes it in the morning when Stan is to lazy to, complements it when Stan starts feeling kinda off about it and now Stan just- genuinely likes it.

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(posted this on the wrong account 💀 I'm horrible) Had this realization recently and it's just so- poetic?

Stan always protected Ford from aduse- so of course HE'S the one who killed bill

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please tell us about stan's body language??

okiee anon, lemme catch you up on a cute visual detail in the show for your rewatch because i love it: stan LOVES crossing his arms whenever hes around ford, like a mix of a spoiled brat and dissapprovibg wife.

like he does it A LOT

i've rewatched the show a TON, and while you can def catch him cross his arms with a bored expression here and there sometimes, he does 10x more when ford comes back with this same pouty frown and its both adorable and so pathetic. like a little built in defemse mechanism for him to physically shield himself from ford because he's so touchy about anything and everything about ford 😭

he does it even when ford isnt physicaly present but is MENTIONED. THATS how touchy he feels about ford, his achievements, and people talking about his achievements

Dipper: Too bad Great Uncle Ford isn't here. He'd run. And win!

he does it in weirdmageddon too, after rescuing ford and instead of watching everyone get socked in the face by ford, stan watches his brother apologize and pull fiddleford into a hug when THEY came to rescue ford. you wonder why stan was being so difficult during the entirity of weirdmageddon? thats his defenses riding up like CRAZY.

and here's something that convinced me that its an intetional move by the storyboarders and animators that stan is doing this because he's pissed with and hurt by ford. he does it even after weirdmageddon, when ford asks to talk to him privately

after this tho? he stops doing it. funnily enough, i think this is actually pretty consistent with don't dimension it too, a story where i think its pretty clear stan doesnt like or trust ford as much as he would have if they were younger, which happens before the kids birthday party.

i think this is actually an interesting bit of visual storytelling, for as small and as minor as it is, because of how they made sure to keep it consistent. its sad but its also adorable. hes like a wounded puppy to me. stans hurt and anger during the pre-weirdmageddon is one of the reasons its my favorite era of stan and ford, and this is one of the most visual cues of it. it also matches fords tendency to look away when stan leaves, the overdramtic dorks that they are😭

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I imagine that Stan has a complicated relationship with his body.

I've already talked a little bit about how; rather it was his strength or his other attributes, to him, his body is what he's good for.. But I'd like to expand on that.

⚠️ Warning! Mention/talk about SA, SA/sexwork trauma and a unhealthy coping mechanism.

(I have no idea if this makes any sense but here we go!)

I think that maybe after his time doing sexwork, he's disconnected himself from his body. It doesn't really feel like HIM anymore- of course it's HIS but in the same way a tool is anyones. I could see him referring to his body as merchandise and genuinely seeing it that way.

Of course you have the scene where he says something along the lines of "wash off the shame" which is heart breaking, especially when put in this context- though I don't think that disproves the idea he's (now) disconnected from it as we ALSO see him casually strip infront of a crowd. Maybe (now) his shame comes less from being unwantingly seen and used that way and more from being THAT desperate for drugs/money?

I've seen someone else mention how Stan talks a lot about how good he looks for being a twin, but what if it was more than that? What if it's also-

"at least I still got this" even though he doesn't believe it? Of course it wasn't always like this and the expected reasons it bothers him still play their part but- differently.

It's more "I'm so desperate again I've got to sell this thing that SHOULD/used to mean something to me"

Like, it's both a: I've fallen THIS low again, as in the inate shame of being just that poor- and distantly grieving that he DOESN'T feel anything about it anymore. Like in a disassociative sense.

He used to and SHOULD but he doesn't. Like a: I'm so "pathetic" I've got to sell this thing that everyone else keeps sacred. He's "washing off the shame" not because he feels dirty but washing off having used/sold it.

Maybe Stan casually mentions having been raped as in "that hurt like a son of a bitch" and "bastard could have at least left a tip" (the emotional pain being more, I AM worth that much- right?)

When he sees Ford horrified expression his like, "shit, I forgot this is more of a thing"

Idk, what do y'all think? Pls let me know!

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Stan is so used to acting, rather it was playing the role of Mr Mystery, grunkle Stan, a adoptive father, Stanford Pines or even just Stan- the con man who's never bothered by anything.

So, it's only natural that his acting habit didn't die once they set sail. For the first few months, Stan is fine- happy, joking, unbothered. The carefree, happy brother.

But, eventually he starts getting tired. He used to have breaks, times he could just be sad, grieve, just be. But now it's been constant, he managed for a long time but it's all wearing him down- why wasn't he okay? He should be happy.

Ford takes notice, he has no idea what's wrong. Did he do something wrong? Say something? Stan keeps insisting he's okay but Ford can see through it this time. They argue because their Pines- pain turns to anger. Stan says something and imedaintly regrets it, maybe he said something about his years of suffering, maybe he asked why Ford cares- either way he regrets it.

He apologizes as he just starts breaking down, crying. Ford tries to comfort him but even now Stan insist he's fine until Ford just pulls him into a hug, "please, talk to me" something Stan used to say when Ford would go quit after a long day and it finally clicks in Stans head-

This is FORD. he doesn't need to wear a mask, to be okay. Ford loves HIM, he's the only one who loves HIM; Stanley Pines. He can hurt because HE is loved here, he is safe, he's in Fords arms and he knows that for the first time in FORTY YEARS, it's going to be okay.

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Thanks to all of your support and the help of two friends of mine- I posted it! and I feel confident in sharing ^u^ thank you, all you lovely, kinky ppl ❤️ lol

(note: is spicy)

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Help! Anxiety has me!

I've been thinking about posting some of my Stancest fics (mostly spicy) to Ao3 but like- what if it sucks!? 😭 I can't spell because of stupid dyslexia but what I'm most worried about is like- what if I get something wrong? Like what if that's not how anatomy works an I'm just stupid?? It'd be so embarrassing!

Help! Should I do it anyway? Would y'all be interested maybe? Idk 😭

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⚠️ Warning: mention of r@pe ⚠️

Anyone know any Stancest rapeplay fics? Like they got a safe word and stuff but one of them is raped? I read one fic, can't remember it for the life of me, but it was like my awakening to this kink lol

Nothing to rough (aka pain stuff) but you know, still fourced? -Also, I can't find any, but love some first time action of ya got any fic recs there to 🥰 ty!!

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After Stan and Ford get together, all of Stans insecurities and fears really start to show. He tires to hide it but Ford won't ignore it because- why would he??

Warning: mention of self harm ⚠️

Like, they're cuddling after their first time and Stan starts crying. Ford panics and ask whats wrong only for Stan to tell him "I don't deserve this" because why would someone like HIM deserve this? He's been told he's worthless his entire life and now he just- gets a happy ending? Because STANFORD, wounderful, smart, beautiful Stanford wants and loves him? he's never been this happy before and it just- feels wrong

He was fine before because he had the familiarity of pain to ground him- pain knowing Ford will never love him that way and that he'd leave him if he knew.

He calls himself lucky, says he has no idea how he 'tricked' Ford into loving him, every morning he hesitantly ask if it was a dream because that's all it ever has been.

He feels anxious all the time now and uneasy because it all feels so- strange to him and he doesn't know how to handle it. He wants to embrace it with all his heart but he's scared of it at the same time. Having weird off and on reactions to affection.

He panics and/or cries over small mistakes now because, well, getting a F- on a test was small, breaking Fords project was small, pushing Ford during their fight was small and now he's got EVERYTHING he's ever wanted? Good things never last for Stan. He's GOING to fuck up, he's GOING to lose Ford. That's how this works.. right?

Maybe he seems to start getting better but in reality he's been self harming so things make sense again. Because- who is he outside of the pain? Because it makes SENSE, because it feels like home. Normal.

He bakes for Ford for the first time and his nerves are just- killing him because baking for anyone hasn't exactly gone well for him. (The cake and the bread for that ghost biker guy)

There is so many things that would start coming out like this. Ford seeing for the first time how insecure Stan is, how fragile- no, how SCARRED he is from his past and it hurts.

He can handle pain, he can be angry when it hurts, he can hide his tears, he can stuff it deep down and bottle it up but- being happy? Really, truly, fully happy? No. He has NO idea.

Stans character was DESIGNED around insecurities and pain, it's one of his foundations so when that's gone? Yeah.

Idk, what do y'all think? Am I cookin here?

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If we assume the canon way things whent down is the Stancest 'route' (because I mean, come on lol) Then what do you think a world where they are completely platonic would be like? how would it be different?

And imagine Stancest Stan and Ford meeting them lol

(sorry in advance, my memory is a little vague on some stuff 😅 also this is just a vague idea so pls niceness)

I imagine that Ford told Stan he'd be going to collage instead of sailing away in their room because like- why would he need to do it on their swings at sun set? (I don't remember if it was actually sunset or not? Am I buggin?)

Stan gets upset and they get into a fight, maybe Ford calls him childish or that says he has got to 'grow up' wich OC pisses Stan off even more. Things escalate and Ford mentions something Stan did, maybe the time Stan stole their dads gold (necklace? Idk) and OC Filbrick over heard and kicks Stan out for it.

Fords project never got ruined and he went to the fancy college (west coast was it?)

Stan blames everything he has to go through now on Ford. Having to run scams, dumpster dive, sell his body ect bc like, fair?

Ford sends the post card, not because Stans the only one he can trust bc that's kinda a crazy thought for someone you haven't seen in so long and who you got kicked out at 17 but bc he literally has no one else.

Stan takes longer to show up because he isn't even sure he is GOING to show up at all and doesn't drop everything on the spot to go met Ford.

Maybe because of that Ford like- loses a eye before Stan gets there. Ford tells Stan to take the journal and leave and Stans just like, WTF!? SERIOUSLY!!? they get into the fight because "fuck you Ford!"

Ford gets pushed through and Stan just- doesn't know how to feel. He accepts Ford's dead and uses Fords collage money to just- live out the rest of his life peacefully. Maybe he got married to Susan (no longer lazy Susan bc Ford never met fiddleford) and they have some kids, I imagine two. One named after Sherman and the other their mom (idk how to spell her name and am lazy)

Ford kills Bill and idk- maybe never makes it back?? Maybe he finds his own way idk.