#Hillary's campaign in 08 and 2016 did the exact same thing

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The best thing any of us can do is remember that the political elite are the same as the class elite. They all still shake hands and hangout with each other at the end of the day. They're all besties who don't actually care about anyone other than their donors.

Harris’s staff was composed of establishment political operatives who have spent their entire careers cycling through campaigns, corporate boardrooms, and consulting firms catering to America’s elite. Unsurprisingly, their leadership produced a campaign that failed to inspire or connect. What’s worse, as their Pod Save America interview reveals, they are completely unwilling to take accountability for any of it and seem totally incapable of learning from their mistakes.

6 December 2024

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Donald Trump should NOT be Impeached (A presentation to my fellow Progressives) - [

Before you dismiss my initial statement, I would ask that you take the time to read my proposal in full. I understand that everyone is emotional. Our country has been attacked by Russia, our President doesn’t seem to be very interested in doing anything about it, every day it appears more and more that Mueller is going to prove some sort of collusion up and down the chain of command in the Trump Campaign with Russia, Trump has talked about pardoning himself and has put forth a Supreme Court Justice who wants to overturn Roe V Wade and doesn’t think that the President can be indicted and a whole slew of other reasons that he shouldn’t be put in a lifetime appointment position. The entire time he’s been filling all the Judicial positions that were open that the Republicans purposely left open as the Obama Presidency winded down so that they could do the very thing they are doing, reworking the Judicial for a generation or two. We have allegedly a person or group of people in the Administration who have supposedly kept information, decisions and other things from the President of the United States as they view themselves as the “resistance.” It seems bleak, I admit. However, despite this all, I believe that impeaching President Donald Trump before the end of his first term is a mistake that will ruin the United States for generations to come, and may even result in loss of life that can be avoided. My intention is to outline this into three parts outlined below. First, what are the avenues for Donald Trump to leave office. Second, what would happen if Donald Trump WAS impeached. Third, what is the best way and the reasons for removing Donald Trump from office at the one place he cannot argue with, the ballot box. Last, I would like to point out that impeaching Donald Trump fixes nothing.

WHAT ARE THE WAYS THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD LEAVE OFFICE

Baring him passing away (which I won’t explore), there are only really three ways that Donald Trump will leave office. He either resigns, is impeached, or voted out. So let’s get the first one out of the way. Donald Trump will assuredly never resign, but lets say he does, finishing his re-enactment of the Nixon Presidency completely. What would happen? First, if we all recall, Donald Trump started spouting that he was getting screwed over BEFORE the election. Remember his numerous claims that “Crooked Hillary” was going to rig the election? Heck, he WON and still couldn’t stop spreading the conspiracy theory that has already been debunked, even by his own Administration, that millions of people voted illegally. As he was assuming that he would lose the election, he was already making plans to launch a media conglomerate of some sort, something even FARTHER to the right than Fox News.

SOURCE: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-tv-network

He knows that he has a large, hardcore, dedicated base. He was going to cash in on that, making even more money than he has spouting off to the ends of time that he was screwed out of the election. I have no doubt we would have seen an Alex Jones show on his network or website or whatever he was going to do. I believe that if he resigned, he would go right back to that plan, setting himself up to promote his son to follow in his footsteps into politics, emerging as a “calmer” Trump with the same base. Give it another few years, and we might be dealing with ANOTHER Trump back in the White House. He no doubt would only do this if he was 100% going to be impeached, and either pardoned himself or had assurances that Mike Pence would issue the pardon, after Trump issues pardons for everyone in his family or who had remained “loyal” to the end.

So, that leaves us with impeachment. There is going to have to be HARD evidence of something past a couple campaign finance violations to pay off porn stars. Keep in mind that Mueller cannot charge the President with a crime while he is in office. That means he will have to present overwhelming evidence to get at least a large portion of the Republican members of the House and Senate to come along and vote for it. If we remember, Bill Clinton was not impeached because there wasn’t enough votes in the Senate. This instance is no different. First, the Democrats have to win a majority of the House in November. While predicted, it is not guaranteed. I remember that Florida was guaranteed to go to Gore. I remember that Hillary was guaranteed to win as well. IF the Democrats pick up the majority, they get control of the Judiciary Committee, which has to investigate the matter AFTER Mueller is done with his probe and has presented evidence of “high crimes” of a sort. Still, no guarantee. Once they investigate, they can then vote to recommend. If they recommend (If they didn’t the House can still vote for Impeachment, but if the Rep still control it that won’t happen), they you just need a simple majority of the House to vote for it. If Dems control it, most likely that will be easy enough to do. Then, it goes to the Senate. They have a hearing, present a case…and TWO THIRDS of the Senate needs to vote for Impeachment, not a simple majority. Even IF the Democrats pick up a couple seats, they will in no way be able to get the 2/3 required to get it past the Senate. NO Impeachment proceeding has made it past this point. Both Johnson and Clinton avoided the conviction by the Senate and stayed in office.

So we are left with voting him out. I feel that this is the most responsible, effective, and frankly RIGHT decision to do, which I’ll outline at the end. Why? Because the one being called for is my part two.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF DONALD TRUMP IS IMPEACHED

So I think it’s fair to say that if Trump resigned, as I outlined above, he would build up his news empire he wanted to create 2 years ago, with Ivanka and Jared at the helm, and start pushing for his son to move into politics to “avenge” him. I think it would be WORSE than that if he was impeached. While I agree that it is anticotal, I have lost literally hundreds of friends who I thought were sane people, on social media, starting when Obama started to run. Even cousins of mine, their racism and hatred just came out of nowhere. It’s still there. I still have friends who are Conservatives, but even some that I would call “Alt-Right” who have shared memes, posts, threats of men and women holding guns and saying “Just say the word, Mr. President and we’ll be there.” While I don’t think enough can take action to present a civil war of any sort, I DO think that some of them may actually take up some arms. Remember, Trump pardoned people who took over federal lands and pointed weapons at federal law enforcement. He has pardoned people that have defied the law for “conservative values.” He has emboldened a racist portion of this country that at least kept to themselves but now we have literal Nazis walking our streets and killing people already. Do you really think Trump will come out and make a conciliatory speech if he is impeached, humbled? I don’t think he’d tell people to go out and shoot elected officials or anyone else, but he DID call for people to use their “Second Amendment Rights”

SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html I believe that his base will be even MORE emboldened. This would also put Mike Pence in the driver’s seat as the President. All of those “Never Trumpers” in the Republican Party who have left, I think would be ok with coming back because they can support Mike Pence. I think that if that happens, you handed Mike Pence the 2020 election. I also think Mike Pence would pardon Trump to ensure nothing happens to him, endearing him to that Trump base as well so they continue supporting him. Basically, we will continue to get the exact same policies we’ve seen for 2 years, minus the rallies and Twitter. If any of my fellow Progressives want to see Universal Healthcare, an increase in the Min Wage, end of Trade Wars, Immigration Reform, Debt and Deficit reduction, or Free College, those will be pushed off for at least another generation. That leaves us with our last option. Voting Donald Trump out of office in 2020.

WE NEED TO VOTE DONALD TRUMP OUT OF OFFICE

We all know he didn’t win the Popular Vote. We all know that Russia interfered in the election of 2016. We all know that Comey screwed up and talked about re-opening the Clinton Email probe just a week before the election. Most of us know that Hillary Clinton was not the best candidate that we could have put up against Donald Trump. Nothing enrages the right more than using the Clinton name, and gets them out to the polls to put her down. She had lost already against Barack Obama, and while she did defeat Bernie Sanders, he was clearly the better candidate to go out there and negate most of the problems that Clinton put up. However, knowing all of that, there is really only 1 group’s fault for Donald Trump being President.

Us. It’s our fault. The American People voted him into office. We have to own up for that, and we need to redeem ourselves. Prior to the election, even though my candidate Bernie Sanders was not at the top of the ticket, I still at the time didn’t think that we would REALLY vote in Donald Trump. We did. Look at the map and all that red

SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

There are 350 million people in the US, roughly. Of that, there is roughly 235 million people of voting age in the US. About 128 million people voted, which is roughly half, and of those, a little less than 63 million voted for Donald Trump. In the Electoral College, he won almost every purple state of Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa and Florida. He won areas that Obama had won by double digits, and he won right where it counted. We can admit that Hillary mis-managed her campaign and didn’t go where she should have, or do things she should have, but at the end of the day, the American people…. KNOWING that this man had bragged about grabbing women by their privates, that he had attacked Gold Star families, that he had called Mexicans rapists and murderers coming into the US, that he had said we should ban Muslims and put spies and listening devices into places of worship, that we should outlaw the Press and shut down their institutions, that we would waste money on a costly and stupid wall, and that he had affairs all over the place… people STILL got into that voting booth and voted for him enough to get him into office. Sure, I have no doubt some of those people are racists who would have voted for him anyway no matter what, but there has to be more than enough people who just couldn’t vote for Hillary, or bought his lies and voted for him. But ultimately, it also lands at the feet of those people who DIDN’T vote.

Donald Trump has never had a simple majority of the country support him. Ever. In fact, he’s had majorities of the country look down on him and his actions prior, during and after the election fairly consistently. Those people didn’t vote. The Democrats did not put forth a candidate to inspire people to come out and vote like they did for Barack Obama. In 2012, Obama beat Romney with 66 million votes to Romney’s 61 million. In 2008, Obama beat McCain 69 million to 59 million. That means that MOER people came out to vote for Donald Trump than Mitt Romney and John McCain. At the same time, far less people came out to vote for Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama. We need to get our act together and get out and VOTE. We need the farmers in Iowa and Wisconsin, the out of work factory workers of Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, and we need someone to wake up all those young people in Florida to get out and VOTE. People who voted for Trump and regret it, and people who didn’t vote need to do their part.

I believe this is the only way to exorcize the stench of Donald Trump and his ilk from the White House and Government. Donald Trump has claimed some Deep State is thwarting him, and if he has to resign or is impeached, he will claim until his dieing day that the Deep State is what took him out. The Swamp won. But if the American people vote him out, we are saying that we made a mistake and we’d like to fix it. We’re saying that we are NOT a country of Trump people, but sane people who differ in opinions and views but can come together when it matters most. This will also ensure that a Democrat is in the White House who will NOT pardon Donald Trump after he leaves office. This will ensure that Mike Pence does NOT become President. This will save The Republic.

WHY IMPEACHING DONALD TRUMP FIXES NOTHING

I understand it’s a risk. However, I have faith in the American people and the large swath of young people getting active in government and activism to get the vote out. We need to do everything we can to ensure our friends, family, neighbors, loved ones, EVERYONE gets out to vote. A little over half of the eligible voters get out to vote. 2020 has to have the largest voter turnout we’ve ever seen. If we can just get 60% of that voter base out, that’s 141 million votes right there. If the exact same people vote for Trump again, that means 79 million votes for his opponent. THAT would send a message to him, his base, his ilk, and the world that we aren’t going to stand for this, and that Democracy works.

Impeach him, and his base cries forever and continues to grow in strength. He will enrich himself off of this. Other countries like China or Russia will point out that American democracy does not work. It will hurt our standing even more, and cause problems and potential uprisings for years to come.

Impeach him, and you just leave in everyone but him. Do you think that magically we’ll stop trying to build a wall? Do you think we’ll reverse are hardline immigration policies? Do you think we’ll all of the sudden stop trade wars and stop stacking the courts? No. The people or person who wrote the op-ed saying they were the “resistance” are not courageous. They are cowards who KNOW what Trump is, but do what so many other Republicans have done. Compromised their integrity and morals so they can get some judges and some polices they want.

It starts with the mid-terms. Democrats need to come out and vote and take control of the House and Senate, and put halts on all of the things that Trump is doing. Put a halt to judge appointments. Put a halt to legislation. They need to spend the next 2 years between 2018 and 2020 letting Mueller finish his probe, present his findings, and beat the living hell out of the White House for the entire time. They need to stop him from carrying out actions and laws that would hurt the country, and make him wear what he has done for that time. And then in 2020 the American people need to do their part and vote him out. Heck, if they don’t know what to investigate… Republicans spent 2-3 years investigating Benghazi and got nothing. Just take the leaked Republican memo of things they are AFRAID they’ll investigate… and investigate that for 2 years. Should be plenty of things to do.

SOURCE: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/27/17785990/house-republicans-trump-investigation

I don’t even think that we’ll have Kavanaugh prevented from getting on the Supreme Court. Even IF that happens (although with today’s happenings I might be wrong and he may have to withdraw) the solution is simple. Get a majority, block further appointments, get a Dem in the White House in 2020 and just put in 2 more justices bringing it up to 11 to even it out. I HOPE though, that we can delay until November, and when the Dems can take over, they can use the argument that a President “under investigation” should not nominate life time appointment positions until it is resolved.

At the end of the day, as of right now, we don’t have concrete evidence that Trump has done anything. We have plenty of reason to believe it with plenty of his circle guilty of crimes and turning on each other. We have plenty of reason to believe it with people close to him turning on him. However, we don’t have enough ammo to take him out of office at this point. I believe impeaching him will hurt the nation and our chances of turning back at the LEAST towards the center if not to the left in 2018 and 2020. I know everyone wants to do it, but I don’t think that the end result will be what we want, or the country needs.

I appreciate you reading the entire thing and giving it a thought or two, and I look forward to discussion.

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[marchagainsttrump]

Donald Trump should NOT be Impeached (A presentation to my fellow Progressives) - [

Before you dismiss my initial statement, I would ask that you take the time to read my proposal in full. I understand that everyone is emotional. Our country has been attacked by Russia, our President doesn’t seem to be very interested in doing anything about it, every day it appears more and more that Mueller is going to prove some sort of collusion up and down the chain of command in the Trump Campaign with Russia, Trump has talked about pardoning himself and has put forth a Supreme Court Justice who wants to overturn Roe V Wade and doesn’t think that the President can be indicted and a whole slew of other reasons that he shouldn’t be put in a lifetime appointment position. The entire time he’s been filling all the Judicial positions that were open that the Republicans purposely left open as the Obama Presidency winded down so that they could do the very thing they are doing, reworking the Judicial for a generation or two. We have allegedly a person or group of people in the Administration who have supposedly kept information, decisions and other things from the President of the United States as they view themselves as the “resistance.” It seems bleak, I admit. However, despite this all, I believe that impeaching President Donald Trump before the end of his first term is a mistake that will ruin the United States for generations to come, and may even result in loss of life that can be avoided. My intention is to outline this into three parts outlined below. First, what are the avenues for Donald Trump to leave office. Second, what would happen if Donald Trump WAS impeached. Third, what is the best way and the reasons for removing Donald Trump from office at the one place he cannot argue with, the ballot box. Last, I would like to point out that impeaching Donald Trump fixes nothing.

WHAT ARE THE WAYS THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD LEAVE OFFICE

Baring him passing away (which I won’t explore), there are only really three ways that Donald Trump will leave office. He either resigns, is impeached, or voted out. So let’s get the first one out of the way. Donald Trump will assuredly never resign, but lets say he does, finishing his re-enactment of the Nixon Presidency completely. What would happen? First, if we all recall, Donald Trump started spouting that he was getting screwed over BEFORE the election. Remember his numerous claims that “Crooked Hillary” was going to rig the election? Heck, he WON and still couldn’t stop spreading the conspiracy theory that has already been debunked, even by his own Administration, that millions of people voted illegally. As he was assuming that he would lose the election, he was already making plans to launch a media conglomerate of some sort, something even FARTHER to the right than Fox News.

SOURCE: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-tv-network

He knows that he has a large, hardcore, dedicated base. He was going to cash in on that, making even more money than he has spouting off to the ends of time that he was screwed out of the election. I have no doubt we would have seen an Alex Jones show on his network or website or whatever he was going to do. I believe that if he resigned, he would go right back to that plan, setting himself up to promote his son to follow in his footsteps into politics, emerging as a “calmer” Trump with the same base. Give it another few years, and we might be dealing with ANOTHER Trump back in the White House. He no doubt would only do this if he was 100% going to be impeached, and either pardoned himself or had assurances that Mike Pence would issue the pardon, after Trump issues pardons for everyone in his family or who had remained “loyal” to the end.

So, that leaves us with impeachment. There is going to have to be HARD evidence of something past a couple campaign finance violations to pay off porn stars. Keep in mind that Mueller cannot charge the President with a crime while he is in office. That means he will have to present overwhelming evidence to get at least a large portion of the Republican members of the House and Senate to come along and vote for it. If we remember, Bill Clinton was not impeached because there wasn’t enough votes in the Senate. This instance is no different. First, the Democrats have to win a majority of the House in November. While predicted, it is not guaranteed. I remember that Florida was guaranteed to go to Gore. I remember that Hillary was guaranteed to win as well. IF the Democrats pick up the majority, they get control of the Judiciary Committee, which has to investigate the matter AFTER Mueller is done with his probe and has presented evidence of “high crimes” of a sort. Still, no guarantee. Once they investigate, they can then vote to recommend. If they recommend (If they didn’t the House can still vote for Impeachment, but if the Rep still control it that won’t happen), they you just need a simple majority of the House to vote for it. If Dems control it, most likely that will be easy enough to do. Then, it goes to the Senate. They have a hearing, present a case…and TWO THIRDS of the Senate needs to vote for Impeachment, not a simple majority. Even IF the Democrats pick up a couple seats, they will in no way be able to get the 2/3 required to get it past the Senate. NO Impeachment proceeding has made it past this point. Both Johnson and Clinton avoided the conviction by the Senate and stayed in office.

So we are left with voting him out. I feel that this is the most responsible, effective, and frankly RIGHT decision to do, which I’ll outline at the end. Why? Because the one being called for is my part two.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF DONALD TRUMP IS IMPEACHED

So I think it’s fair to say that if Trump resigned, as I outlined above, he would build up his news empire he wanted to create 2 years ago, with Ivanka and Jared at the helm, and start pushing for his son to move into politics to “avenge” him. I think it would be WORSE than that if he was impeached. While I agree that it is anticotal, I have lost literally hundreds of friends who I thought were sane people, on social media, starting when Obama started to run. Even cousins of mine, their racism and hatred just came out of nowhere. It’s still there. I still have friends who are Conservatives, but even some that I would call “Alt-Right” who have shared memes, posts, threats of men and women holding guns and saying “Just say the word, Mr. President and we’ll be there.” While I don’t think enough can take action to present a civil war of any sort, I DO think that some of them may actually take up some arms. Remember, Trump pardoned people who took over federal lands and pointed weapons at federal law enforcement. He has pardoned people that have defied the law for “conservative values.” He has emboldened a racist portion of this country that at least kept to themselves but now we have literal Nazis walking our streets and killing people already. Do you really think Trump will come out and make a conciliatory speech if he is impeached, humbled? I don’t think he’d tell people to go out and shoot elected officials or anyone else, but he DID call for people to use their “Second Amendment Rights”

SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html I believe that his base will be even MORE emboldened. This would also put Mike Pence in the driver’s seat as the President. All of those “Never Trumpers” in the Republican Party who have left, I think would be ok with coming back because they can support Mike Pence. I think that if that happens, you handed Mike Pence the 2020 election. I also think Mike Pence would pardon Trump to ensure nothing happens to him, endearing him to that Trump base as well so they continue supporting him. Basically, we will continue to get the exact same policies we’ve seen for 2 years, minus the rallies and Twitter. If any of my fellow Progressives want to see Universal Healthcare, an increase in the Min Wage, end of Trade Wars, Immigration Reform, Debt and Deficit reduction, or Free College, those will be pushed off for at least another generation. That leaves us with our last option. Voting Donald Trump out of office in 2020.

WE NEED TO VOTE DONALD TRUMP OUT OF OFFICE

We all know he didn’t win the Popular Vote. We all know that Russia interfered in the election of 2016. We all know that Comey screwed up and talked about re-opening the Clinton Email probe just a week before the election. Most of us know that Hillary Clinton was not the best candidate that we could have put up against Donald Trump. Nothing enrages the right more than using the Clinton name, and gets them out to the polls to put her down. She had lost already against Barack Obama, and while she did defeat Bernie Sanders, he was clearly the better candidate to go out there and negate most of the problems that Clinton put up. However, knowing all of that, there is really only 1 group’s fault for Donald Trump being President.

Us. It’s our fault. The American People voted him into office. We have to own up for that, and we need to redeem ourselves. Prior to the election, even though my candidate Bernie Sanders was not at the top of the ticket, I still at the time didn’t think that we would REALLY vote in Donald Trump. We did. Look at the map and all that red

SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

There are 350 million people in the US, roughly. Of that, there is roughly 235 million people of voting age in the US. About 128 million people voted, which is roughly half, and of those, a little less than 63 million voted for Donald Trump. In the Electoral College, he won almost every purple state of Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa and Florida. He won areas that Obama had won by double digits, and he won right where it counted. We can admit that Hillary mis-managed her campaign and didn’t go where she should have, or do things she should have, but at the end of the day, the American people…. KNOWING that this man had bragged about grabbing women by their privates, that he had attacked Gold Star families, that he had called Mexicans rapists and murderers coming into the US, that he had said we should ban Muslims and put spies and listening devices into places of worship, that we should outlaw the Press and shut down their institutions, that we would waste money on a costly and stupid wall, and that he had affairs all over the place… people STILL got into that voting booth and voted for him enough to get him into office. Sure, I have no doubt some of those people are racists who would have voted for him anyway no matter what, but there has to be more than enough people who just couldn’t vote for Hillary, or bought his lies and voted for him. But ultimately, it also lands at the feet of those people who DIDN’T vote.

Donald Trump has never had a simple majority of the country support him. Ever. In fact, he’s had majorities of the country look down on him and his actions prior, during and after the election fairly consistently. Those people didn’t vote. The Democrats did not put forth a candidate to inspire people to come out and vote like they did for Barack Obama. In 2012, Obama beat Romney with 66 million votes to Romney’s 61 million. In 2008, Obama beat McCain 69 million to 59 million. That means that MOER people came out to vote for Donald Trump than Mitt Romney and John McCain. At the same time, far less people came out to vote for Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama. We need to get our act together and get out and VOTE. We need the farmers in Iowa and Wisconsin, the out of work factory workers of Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, and we need someone to wake up all those young people in Florida to get out and VOTE. People who voted for Trump and regret it, and people who didn’t vote need to do their part.

I believe this is the only way to exorcize the stench of Donald Trump and his ilk from the White House and Government. Donald Trump has claimed some Deep State is thwarting him, and if he has to resign or is impeached, he will claim until his dieing day that the Deep State is what took him out. The Swamp won. But if the American people vote him out, we are saying that we made a mistake and we’d like to fix it. We’re saying that we are NOT a country of Trump people, but sane people who differ in opinions and views but can come together when it matters most. This will also ensure that a Democrat is in the White House who will NOT pardon Donald Trump after he leaves office. This will ensure that Mike Pence does NOT become President. This will save The Republic.

WHY IMPEACHING DONALD TRUMP FIXES NOTHING

I understand it’s a risk. However, I have faith in the American people and the large swath of young people getting active in government and activism to get the vote out. We need to do everything we can to ensure our friends, family, neighbors, loved ones, EVERYONE gets out to vote. A little over half of the eligible voters get out to vote. 2020 has to have the largest voter turnout we’ve ever seen. If we can just get 60% of that voter base out, that’s 141 million votes right there. If the exact same people vote for Trump again, that means 79 million votes for his opponent. THAT would send a message to him, his base, his ilk, and the world that we aren’t going to stand for this, and that Democracy works.

Impeach him, and his base cries forever and continues to grow in strength. He will enrich himself off of this. Other countries like China or Russia will point out that American democracy does not work. It will hurt our standing even more, and cause problems and potential uprisings for years to come.

Impeach him, and you just leave in everyone but him. Do you think that magically we’ll stop trying to build a wall? Do you think we’ll reverse are hardline immigration policies? Do you think we’ll all of the sudden stop trade wars and stop stacking the courts? No. The people or person who wrote the op-ed saying they were the “resistance” are not courageous. They are cowards who KNOW what Trump is, but do what so many other Republicans have done. Compromised their integrity and morals so they can get some judges and some polices they want.

It starts with the mid-terms. Democrats need to come out and vote and take control of the House and Senate, and put halts on all of the things that Trump is doing. Put a halt to judge appointments. Put a halt to legislation. They need to spend the next 2 years between 2018 and 2020 letting Mueller finish his probe, present his findings, and beat the living hell out of the White House for the entire time. They need to stop him from carrying out actions and laws that would hurt the country, and make him wear what he has done for that time. And then in 2020 the American people need to do their part and vote him out. Heck, if they don’t know what to investigate… Republicans spent 2-3 years investigating Benghazi and got nothing. Just take the leaked Republican memo of things they are AFRAID they’ll investigate… and investigate that for 2 years. Should be plenty of things to do.

SOURCE: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/27/17785990/house-republicans-trump-investigation

I don’t even think that we’ll have Kavanaugh prevented from getting on the Supreme Court. Even IF that happens (although with today’s happenings I might be wrong and he may have to withdraw) the solution is simple. Get a majority, block further appointments, get a Dem in the White House in 2020 and just put in 2 more justices bringing it up to 11 to even it out. I HOPE though, that we can delay until November, and when the Dems can take over, they can use the argument that a President “under investigation” should not nominate life time appointment positions until it is resolved.

At the end of the day, as of right now, we don’t have concrete evidence that Trump has done anything. We have plenty of reason to believe it with plenty of his circle guilty of crimes and turning on each other. We have plenty of reason to believe it with people close to him turning on him. However, we don’t have enough ammo to take him out of office at this point. I believe impeaching him will hurt the nation and our chances of turning back at the LEAST towards the center if not to the left in 2018 and 2020. I know everyone wants to do it, but I don’t think that the end result will be what we want, or the country needs.

I appreciate you reading the entire thing and giving it a thought or two, and I look forward to discussion.

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