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#I can only hope that they're building up to something with this ambiguity bc it's not *that* sustainable in the long run
enamouredless · 2 years
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(I sent this yesterday after my first ask but I don't think you got it, my wifi was bad.) No I get it, I agree that just because actors speak positively or lightheartedly about it, doesn't mean byler is endgame / Will gets a perfect happy ending. I know everyone always says "Don't compare them to other shows/ships" but. It really truly would not be the first time something like this happened and I would be extremely disappointed but not that surprised. Imo, giving a tragic character a tragic (or just meh) ending is bad, but the duffers might think it's peak television. Or maybe they are the kind of people who think Will not getting the guy is "just realistic". And actors could just say what they're told to, what fits the current vibe or whatever. Idk. I won't know until I have seen s5 myself. Byler and happy Will make narrative sense to me but that doesn't really mean much. I'm v curious about all your predictions now, what do you think is most likely gonna happen to everyone?
I honestly can't be certain about anything, tbh I try not to think too much abt S5 bc if I do I'll set expectations for myself that'll never end up happening lmao but if I'm talking in a positive the best I can see realistically go down is some sort of weird ambiguous gay ending? think something like Sam and Frodo.. in a more negative way I feel like all the events of these season do matter whether we like them or not, the lie abt the painting is going to be revealed and just like will said at rinkomania when mike finds out abt it he's gonna be mad and they'll def argue (the only good thing I can hope out of this is will getting the last word in an argument for once lol) like.. I'm not sure how big of a storyline this will be, I can definitely see vecna trying to use this all for his advantage to try to get will on his side, and honestly? If he's in a bad state emotionally I can see him being persuaded, ''my life started the day we find you in the woods'' remember? Vecna is definitely bringing that back lmao
I feel like this whole season was just building up ammunition to try to get will to break or snap or something next season(and I'm soooo not looking forward to seeing this tbh this season was already enough angst to last me a lifetime) but like despite all of this, Im like 100% that henry and will are meant to be character foils of each other, so whatever happens I think will end up going against him bc at the end of the day o don't think the duffers spent 4 seasons showing how selfless and kind will is to just end up straight up turning him into a villain, also how homophobic that would be....
Also m*leven side note I have no idea what's in store for them, idk how a love confession led by a lie is meant to be a good thing for them (and not any lie btw, wills feelings disguised as elevens) in my head this is something that should doom the entire relationship + the fact that max died during the monologue (just like Nancy and barb) but in reality the only thing this will do is just something to set up some conflict for them for the season just so they have something to argue about before they end up getting back together towards the end of the season like they always do... there's also the weird looming idea of marriage that makes my skin crawl but as much as I hate it I feel like it might be an actual possibility 😐 like I'm soooo serious if this happens I'm not watching S5 at all
There's more stuff that I think that might happen in s5 especially with all the time references they have been making throughout the show but if I get into that this answer will be 500 pages long so I'll also expect to be something time related, maybe even time manipulation especially related to will, I can also see vecna try to give him the opportunity to go back so none of this would've happened and he could've been able to live a normal life but will like the angel he is would tell him no and to fuck off, but this is more leaning into a full on theory based on nothing so idk what's the likelihood of it happening lol, thanks for the ask btw!!
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Hey Daisy ( i hope thats how you spell your name!) I was curious what do you think of the bit in the hs3 rumor anon where it says the artist date is male in their 20s? I have no idea what to make of that and was just curious!
Hi dear,
This is assuming this is true and in fact about Harry's mv.
I think it's clear from the casting call description that they want to make this video something that's representative of everyone. With different races, gender, sexuality etc displayed. It seems like they're also going for that 70s psychedelia "free love" vibe again, so keep that in mind.
As per the casting call, the main couples are:
Two women
A man and a woman
Two men (one of which is Harry)
Thinking about this from a marketing and image perspective, I think it's clear that they want to make this a sexy forward video, and push Harry's ambiguous sexuality to the max. This ambiguity is one of the pillars of his marketing. So they're capitalizing on it. And there's nothing better than to pair him with a man as the love interest in his (potential) lead single.
This is ALL about marketing and much less about Harry. I think he has a lot of input and creative control, but only within the parameters of his label. So if Columbia wants to push a sex symbol image to capitalize on his art, then Harry has to work within those parameters. This also includes his sexual ambiguity. Part of it is about Harry's sexuality, something personal. But part of it is about how to market that to sell, and sell to the masses.
I've spoken about this before in regards to his image and marketing. But they've been pushing more and more on his sexual ambiguity and it doesn't surprise me that they're putting him with a man for his next era. In HS2 they had Lights Up and Watermelon Sugar with similar vibes, but still mostly women and no direct "love interest pairing". It seems that for HS3, they're going further out there and giving him an actual love interest to act with on screen, and that love interest is a man. I think they will still maintain his ambiguity by putting him along other genders and couples, even if his direct love interest in the video is a man.
Also, as I've mentioned before, of course these are things Harry likes and is inspired by. He has said many times how this era of music shaped his childhood. But showbiz is about taking those real, personable things and turning them into a product and an image to be desired. So the final product is a mixture of both.
Also, unrelated to the casting call info but important to keep in mind as we go forward: everything we're seeing now is setting up the narrative, image and marketing for his next era. We only see what we're meant to see and everything is planned .
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