#I think some usamericans in this discourse are making the mistake of thinking that there are only two categories here
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fungisteri · 4 years ago
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Ok the previous post was a very heat of the moment thing, but I feel like I must make a disclaimer.
As a non-binary lesbian, I cannot say that I support the concept of male lesbians. I will, however, not misgender them nor disrespect their identities directly, nor spread bullshit like "now cishet men are going to invade our spaces!" (Which I don't know how literally no one has pointed out to be the most baseline terf rethoric. Lmao.)
I do however wholeheartedly support genderfluid sapphics and genderfluid lesbians.
My take on this isn't as much as of me not understanding the complexities of the identity and rejecting it in disgust, but as of me drawing a line on the sand on what are my personal beliefs regarding LGBT identities. And regardless of my beliefs no one should be discriminated against for their identity. So, again, I will respect male lesbians. But I have to say to them: this is not a safe space for you. Go somewhere else. I promise you, you will find people who will understand you and accept you wholeheartedly, while I will only do so to the bare minimum. I am not willing to debate the complexities of the lesbian identity, because in a way, I am like you. I already had to face unbearable discourse about how my identity will bring downfall to the lesbian identity and all that. And you are not going to change my mind in what the definition of lesbianism is, nor will I try to change yours, as I suppose you must've had it debated so many times. I am just a person online, as you are. Which is why I say, don't waste your time with me. Go find another blog.
If I may state my definition of lesbianism, as someone with a complicated relationship to gender and having identified as lesbian for at least 5 years now, going around the sapphic community and talking to the few other lesbians I was able to find, lesbianism must be disconnected from manhood, and probably orbit around womanhood to some extent, even if your single shred of connection to it is lesbianism itself. The non-man for non-man definition is, to me, inherently flawed, because to some extent it starts to leave out what lesbianism adores: womanhood. Whatever form it might take. Decentering this from the conversation was a mistake. Making lesbianism about what it is not except for what it is was a mistake. But that is just my opinion in millions: while it'd be nice to find someone that agrees, no one has to. I am confident my beliefs. That will not be taken away from me. Not now, not ever.
The main reason why I'm making this post is that the carrd that I found explaining male lesbianism has what must be the worst take that I've ever seen: "saying that men cannot be lesbians is terf rethoric". That is the biggest half truth that I have ever heard. The reason why terfs say this is because they do not accept trans people (it's in their name) and think of trans women as men. Male lesbians, to my understanding, identify as both men and lesbians. Which I can completely understand in genderfluid people, but not much more.
Now, for some actually clear boundaries that I will impose:
Male lesbians / lesboys can interact
If I see a male lesbian / lesboy following me linking that carrd, it's an instablock. I will not waste our time with a debate of our identities.
Terfs / radfems that interact WILL be blocked. Do not misinterpret this post as allyship as one of my goals as a person is to stand up for and uplift trans women. We are not the same. Begone, thots.
Genderfluid sapphics / lesbians that on occasion identify as men can interact and follow, but if you source that carrd, instablock. No discussion.
While we're on the topic, I think that mspec lesbianism is fucking bullshit and I will block you if I see you interacting. While to some extent I understand what exists behind the concept of male lesbianism, mspec lesbianism is a flat out misinterpretation of usamerican lgbt history for the sake of useless discourse. And you will not change my mind of this.
If you support any of these concepts while not identifying as them yourself, you are, depending the person, good to go.
I'm just a tired person setting boundaries. Hypocritical or not, these are what they are and I will make use of them during my stay on this website. Now scram.
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