#I'm all for acknowledging colorism but I also think you shouldn't just jump into conclusions based on past bad experiences with it

[dunmeshistash]

one way kui shows some colorism is in the orcs. the only lightskinned orcs are the baby and Leed - the two members of their race that are the "nicest"- the most open to outsiders, and willing to negotiate. this plays into the idea of people with lighter skin being more "pure" in some way. i know there are other characters with dark skin, but looking at the orcs, i think it's a bit of an issue. i dont think kui is a violent racist or anything, but i do think her choices when it comes to the orcs' skin colors reveal some biases she has.

I wasn't gonna answer this at first cause I didn't want to drag that subject further but I couldn't really stop thinking about it.

While is true that there's colorism in there, especially cause Leed is the cutest and most human looking orc and also the lightest one. I think this ask kinda reveals our own biases more than anything

Leed isn't nice at all, Zon is the nice and rational one between the two of them.

Which one of this characters let them go and gave his blessing so the other orcs left them alone, even tho they disrespected him to his face several times, and which one was gonna kill one of them herself cause that's a novelty and was gonna feed another as a toy to the dogs.

I wouldn't say the light skinned orc is the nicer one. Just because she's cuter, a girl and the most human looking one between them doesn't mean she's the nicest. She only respected and helped them once she learned they had a deal with Zon, there's no sympathy for outsiders in this girl.

Ignoring skincolor and thinking about the purpose of the character design I don't think its a coincidence the cute one is ruthless and the "uglier" (Zon is hot but you know) one is the actual one worried about a realistic solution.

And the baby orc I think only had an official color in the anime that was made by trigger? I don't remember Zon's son having a color in art by Ryoko Kui. Anyway I'm not defending Kui's choices I just don't think we should have biases "against" or "for" her when we don't actually know her and instead engage objectively with the good and the bad of her work.

[thingsthatpopintomymind]

@cherry-lola-babe Ok so I really am trying to have a discussion I swear I'm not trying to be rude or anything because that's not my intention!

I'm not going to deny that kpop can have racist undertones sometimes and I'm completely for speaking up about it in a respectful way because that's how people actually learn from their mistakes but the problem im seeing is how people are handling it. Like if your offended by something then that's fine, you can feel however you want, but shouldn't you make sure you have all the information before forming an opinion? To make sure it's not a misunderstanding or cultural difference?(jumping to conclusions seems to be a big part of the problem as well) And if you do actually want your favs to learn or care about the actual issues why not just go to the source? Why spam social media or send malicious comments? Why trend an entire hashtag? Why not just email and wait for a response? And when they do issue a response why do people still drag it out? Like no ones forcing you to accept it or to still stan them, if it really upset you that much why not just take a break and move on? That's what I'm seeing problems with if you actually cared about the issue why are you still dragging them? They gave their response, it's been dealt with(maybe not in the way you wanted but at least it was acknowledged) why keep bringing it up? What does constantly bashing for a past mistake actually help with? Are you really trying to spread awareness or are you just upset they broke "my idol can never do anything wrong" image you've created? Which is also a big problem I'm seeing. Putting idols on such high pedestals that even when they do a little mistake they're crucified for it. They're human, just like us, we make mistakes all the time why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same? And yes that includes being insensitive. Insensitivity is different for everyone what offends you won't offend others and vice versa, that's just how humans and feelings work. We've all done something that we later found to be insensitive or offensive to someone and we apologize for it and try to be better so why not do the same for these idols? Why do we continue to put such high standards on these people? They are humans, they are going to make mistakes, yes that includes being offensive, it's not on purpose but it is a reality because again they're just people, you're going to offend someone at some point that's just life, that's how people and feelings are, the problem comes with how people handle it. Whoever was offended has every right ro feel that way, they're your feelings nobody can change that, but instead of fueling that negative energy explain why it was offensive, and how to avoid it in the future and the one who did the offending acknowledge what happened, apologize and learn from it, that's what happens in real life so why can't it happen between idols and fans? Which is why it begs the question are you really trying to bring awareness because you care about the actual problem or are you upset you fav didn't live up to what you imagined them to be? Secondly I see the word racist floating around a lot which doesnt make much sense to me? Like being racist is literally thinking that your race is better than others and mocking and treating people differently because of it and half the time that's not what happens? These idols (usually) never once implied they think they're better or that someone is inferior to them, in fact a lot of them advocate for equality, the main thing I see the being called out for is cultural appropriation "braids" being the big problem and I can see why it would be offensive as it does have cultural significance but I don't see how it correlates to racism? From those I have seen they don't mock anyone, they don't try to pretend to be someone of color, they simply wear it because they like the style they think it's cool which ignorant yes but ignorance is not racism and I don't see why people use those words interchangeabley?

So again I'm not saying you can't call them out or be offended but the way people have been handling it seems like they care more about how their fave made a mistake rather than the actual mistake.