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[everythingkimhongjoong]

I would think that SM Entertainment would be focusing more on The USA market. I’m confused as to why Lee Soo Man is in Saudi Arabia with BoA. Like what are you trying to create. Does Saudi Arabia even have a music market? Do they have singers? Cause I thought that type of stuff went against their precious religion. I don’t like this and it concerns me a lot. Don’t mix K-pop with Muslims. That religion is something else. This scares me. I don’t want NCT, Shinee and any other group involved in anything going on in that country. I would worry about their safety. I am surprised that BoA was even there. Cause that country is not very welcoming towards women. I just don’t understand what Lee Soo Man is doing. It’s like he keeps going backwards and not forwards. 

A kpop group would NOT be able to function in Saudi Arabia and a Saudi citizen would never be able to function in a kpop group. So why are you in that damn country? I also know that SM Entertainment is going through some financial shit and the idea of them taking money from the Saudi Government, is scary. Cause the next thing you know, NCT members will be out her promoting Islam. 

[isitandwonder]

Hi. Did you, at some point, believe in Charmie and A&T relationship? Because you have written so superb fics bout them (dont mentioning looot of sex between them in those fics 😊 ). And now it looks like you are quite disgusted by charmie fandom and also by Armie too.. So when did you change your mind (if there of course was any changing of mind)?

Hi nonnie!

I think I talked about this before but anyway...

Yes, at some point at the end of 2017/beginning of 2018 when the promo was in full swing, I did believe there was/had been something happening between these two.

What started to change my mind though was in February 2018 when they returned to Crema and Liz was there and said they made Ford there (I remember we discussed her being at almost every awards red carpet and promo event before, as some kind of no homo device)... I was so confused. This couldn’t be right! T & A had been hanging out all by themselves during the filming, they’d been the only two English speaking people in town (lol, sorry, but Crema is not a small Sicilian village in the 1950s, I’ve been there), they’d bonded deeply... they told us all about  that!

I’m still grateful to the person pointing out that Liz and Harper had been there most of the filming... then gradually more and more ‘came to light’: that Will had been there before filming, that Tim had hung out with some locals (even a kind of gf was mentioned), stuff like that. That started to burst my bubble.

I confess, I had a shit day accepting that it had all been a fantasy because at that point they seemed so cute and right together. They sold that pretty well and I’m not mad at them - it was me who got in too deep, they just promoted their film. And wasn’t it easy to see all these bluring lines and believe in them?

Anyway, once you see the ‘cracks’ you start to question and see more. Things like Armie cancelling the Asia promo tour; saying he ‘sucked dick on film’, reducing cmbyn to THAT.

So I accepted it had been just a fantasy, but still shipped them as in ‘I like to imagine them together though I know it’s not real’. That’s were most of my fics come from, because these stories are pure fiction; I made it all up.

I think then came TIFF and those IG stories - they were clearly taking the piss at shippers, but in a kind way, saying ‘we know what’s going on and don’t mind’. What secret couple posts such stories, I ask you? So I felt validated in my shipping because they were okay with it.

When did I fall out of love with Armie though? I think it started right after the Oscars with above mentioned incidents. He was never my type anyway, I’m all here for the twinks :). He really only does things for me in the contrast he provides to Tim. 

But then I learned more and more about him. His weird family. The way he was okay with how Liz pimped out their kids on her IG (because, come on, if a father doesn’t want that he can make it stop. Now it looks like he used Liz to sell the image of the perfect American family). His fights and ramblings on social media.

I still truly think there was a window for him that he could have used to stear his life and career in a different direction. I still believe cmbyn was a huge formative experience for him. For a while, something changed. Maybe it was all PR bla bla, but maybe not. He dared to accept a stage role after it. He made STBY, which I haven’t seen but people say he was very good in. But then he fell back into old patterns.

I became indifferent to Armie. But then he went to Saudi Arabia. And that was it. I can’t support someone who does what he did. Oliver would at least be whipped there, if not executed; Armie is a gay icon after portraying that beloved character. That’s a responsibility. All he had to do was not go to SA. I don’t expect big political statements - but why did he go there for a government event? Sorry, that was the final nail to the coffin.

But, you know, I still could ignore him. I followed Tim who is goofy and kind and weirdly smart and a great actor. I confess, I speculated about his sexuality (always traveling with male friends, no gf, taking his mum or sister to awards) - but then the Lily thing started - and I was happy for him. Someone his age, who knows about life in the limelight, with whom he could share his life.

And that’s when shit hit the fan. You know, I don’t know either Armie or Tim and what they do has no real influence on my life. But I knew a lot of people on here. I’d been with cmabn since 2017; I’ve written some well liked stories. But suddenly many people I used to have fun with, I thought were my friends, for which I wrote stories - they totally freaked out and behaved abysmal. They sent hate to Tim, to fellow fans. They bullied people really badly on here. Many deleted stories or blogs. And the worst was - these mutuals of mine thought that funny. They were proud of their shitty behavior. They started to scream at anyone doubting Tim was gay and in love with Armie. I got death threats for pointing out that maybe T&A played their friendship up a bit during cmbyn promo.

And almsot no one stopped these people destroying what had been a fun small fandom. Almost no one said to these people ‘Calm down, stop it’. Instead, these people, who used to be my mutuals, congratulated themselves on how efficiently they harrassed Tim on IG and fellow fans on here. I remember a person who told me to my face they loved me first ridiculing Tim and in the end sending vile hate to me.

That’s why I can’t support Charmie any longer. Because of these scumbags of fans. Hating on Tim is one thing, he has people working for him, sadly, these things happen to anyone in the industry. But hating on fellow fans just because some don’t follow a certain narrative BNFs made up? That, to me, is unforgivable.

Therefore, I now delight in how their King Armie is exposed as just another straight white man, cheating on his wife (and maybe doing worse). He debased himself going to SA, and I really don’t know how people who profess to love cmbyn and it’s message can still support him after that. Then he showed his privileged white ass during quarantine. And now those Biden tweets.

Seriously?

I know many on here just ignore these things. I can’t do that. I can’t forget what he did. I can’t support someone like that, who has no principles, either privately or politically (and maybe even sexually assaulted a woman).

And what really did it for me is that Armie can do all these despicable things and people still love and defend him him (a grown man and father of 33) - while Tim just has some gfs, or buys bagels, or carries his guitar - and people ridicule and hate and cancel him for it.

He did nothing wrong despite not living up to the narrative some very rude people who don’t know him wrote for him! But suddenly he’s the whipping boy for them. Because he’s into girls (like Armie, btw).

I just can’t with that. I can’t with the hate spread on here. I can’t with the motives showing behind this narrative, the sexism, the homophobia, the misogyny, the racism... I have to laugh when I read the eulogies some write here about the deep, true, pure, everlasting love between A&T that will win in the end (sorry, I’m not 13 anymore, and neither are the people who write this); I also can’t with the ideas of fucking someone so hard for real they can’t walk anymore (fic is different from reality, you know). It is either pathetic, embarrassing, or truly disturbing.

And I really, really hate these people breaking the fourth wall. You NEVER tweet to the actors about your conspiracy theories! You never harrass them on SM! You never insult their friends, business partners, SOs. And you don’t, never, ever bully some small local businesses during an economic crisis because they dared to burst your bubble.

If you support Charmie - you support this behavior. I don’t. And as being quiet has only led to the assholes taking over - I now try a different strategy. If people don’t like it they can unfollow.

Sorry, these last few days have shown just how unhinged some Charmies are. I know some had planned actions against Tim at The King red carpet in London (and thankfully didn’t realize them). I really don’t put it past some of them to now truly become violent against Tim at some event, in the name of the greater good of Charmie. They are completely bonkers.

I’ve seen threats against me and others in different forums as well. People want to make us pay for what we did (like, what did we do?). People call for their followers to take action against us. I have no idea what they will or can do, as I’ve lost so much within this fandom already (fics, followers, friends) but as they are truly mental I expect the worst. It’s not that I’m afraid but it’s still a weird feeling to see people talk about you like this... because you don’t like an actor. Or don’t think he’s gay...

Yeah, so, that was surely more than you bargained for.

[dojae-huh]

1 - With america, I'm still not sure they will let kpop become mainstream in their own country Or even let it be a popular genre. Lets see america fall for something else other than BTS, I remember wonder girls, boa and Bi (rain) being popular enough for the Hollywood actors to talk abt them in late 2000 and early 2010s but the hype died before they could make a real dent. America is very racist when it comes to music and only let's a genre get hyped for a small period of time.

2 - look at the way Latin music and artists were treated in early 2000s and are treated now in America. Their fanbase hasnt died down but they are never on the charts now or get the hype anymore. This is why I was saying western market is very fickle and sm has always wanted to break markets that buy everything for a long time. They womt stop their idols from being pushed in america but idols like exo who didnt feel comfortable, werent forced to go on to America as much as NCT.

3 - SEA fans would not only have been loyal fans of kpop but most SM idols. Suju is the biggest example of an idol group doing well even when they're so much older now. China still is in love with gd and exo... so yes I do think that sm wont dislike having idols working in America but for them as a company asia and asia Pacific are more important than america market, they dont even think Europe was important before the nct 127 tour.

4 - Russia, middleeast and south asian markets are also being experimented with. Suju was one of the first boybands ever to perform in Saudi Arabia and last few years UAE has become a favourite spot for videos of SM idols and also a place where theyve performed more times than theyve ever done before. So I still think asia is the focus for sm...

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Of course Asia is more important, it’s only natural. However, SM does everything to be high on Billboard, so don’t understimate its interest. 

Shakira and J Lo are still doing very well. Check the yearly concert yearnings. Mainstream - no, but it’s enough to make a certain amount of teens and young adults interested, they’ll spread it further. Kpop is not played on radio/TV in Russia, but there are hundred thousands of fans, who make their own communities on social media. 

SM’s end goal is to sell the technology of training/performance/promotion. The faces can be white. The music is written by international plethora of writers anyway, it has new quality (the mix of genres), but not a local “alien” sound.  

And look at the countries where songs trend. A group might never give a concert in a certain country, but will be able to sell digital albums. Everyone has a phone now. Most with the internet. TV or the radio don’t matter as much.  

Side note, but I’ve remembered Mongolia. A big country with a small population. Teens copy everything Korean, and their pop-groups are also a copy of k-pop. Hm, I see they have improved.

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[haus-of-wu]

not gonna lie - me finally getting around to making part 2 is bc kangin’s departure has me going through some shit so i figured we all needed some nostalgia

also a number of y’all vaguely requested / shamed me in the tags to do this for the other members

(@SM: please let there be a OT15 talk/variety show special for their 15th anniversary, just to get the whole crew together to talk about the good times, i’m begging you) 

if you want to know my deeper thoughts about scandals/departures, it’ll be below the cut

other SJ powerpoint memes by me: beginner’s guide to SJ part 1 / welcome back kyu

thesis statement:

SJ always talks about how they want to do a comeback with everybody, aka as many members as possible. they’re adults, they’re not naive, they know their members best. let them do a comeback with as many people as they want.

they’re adults, let them make their own decisions, and respect those decisions.

they didn’t thrive for 13+ years in the industry and make their own sublabel by mistake y’all, they know what they’re doing

about kangin:

yes, drinking and driving is a trash thing to do. it’s especially a garbage thing to do twice. thankfully no one was hurt, but to do the same thing twice in seven years isn’t a great track record.

being an idol is stressful - and there’s a number of healthy and unhealthy ways to cope with the pressure. alcohol is definitely one of them. i think the fact that both times kangin turned himself in to police says something about his character. it’s not like he thought he was above the law. he’s taken his punishment and feels regretful about these incidents.

given the number of rehab stints western artists go through, i’m not super shocked that this is something kangin struggled with. what i find scarier is that he didn’t feel like he had someone he could lean on to call to get him home.

alcohol misuse (i am refraining from saying abuse/addiction bc i don’t have enough information to feel confident in slapping a label on kangin) isn’t something you’re born with, it’s the result of a multitude of things/stressors happening in your life.

it pains me to see him leave SJ. i selfishly wish this decision had been made earlier. his last offense was in 2016 - it’s been three years of some of us ELF clinging onto a thread of hope that he’d be able to participate in activities again. i can only imagine that kangin has been going back in forth in his head for all this time wondering whether he should throw the towel in.

sad hours: seeing those photos of SJ holding each other at the airport when they found out kangin made that announcement is just...depressing - kudos to them for still being able to hold it together to slay in saudi arabia

about sungmin:

the tldr is the timing of sungmin’s relationship/marriage, and the way he went about it wasn’t great.

as i mentioned on the slide, whenever you start a romantic relationship with someone, you have to start playing the balancing game of spending time with your SO versus with your friends. in sungmin’s case, when friend time is also technically work time, this put a strain on the team dynamic.

especially when sungmin’s overall level of diligence/responsibility regarding SJ things began to drop, it’s understandable that the team started to become skeptical about saeun, marriage, and what not. they were rearranging entire promotion schedules for him. that’s not easy when the group is this big.

it definitely didn’t help when sungmin just went off and said something along the lines of “if you don’t want to support me anymore, i’m fine with it, you can leave” in response to haters telling him to leave SJ. definitely a move made in the heat of the moment, along with a number of other sorta petty moves that set off antis even more.

all this being said, it has been five years. the beginning of a romantic relationship is much more distracting/time consuming than being n years married. SJ has moved on, so why can’t the antis?

(hey, remember when sungmin showed up for kyuhyun’s pre-public service meal? remember how things were a-okay between the members in 2016 ?? it’s 2019 now guys come on)

about zhoumi and henry:

now that henry’s kinda YOLO’d off on his own, i have zero idea what the status of SJM is (SM, you can’t keep hiding zhoumi in the closet forever)

i really want an SJM comeback, but with 2/3 of the china crew gone, and sungmin’s nebulous status, it’s highly unlikely

:/ :/ keep doing your thing, i guess

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