#all the stories about the abrahamic religions are so long and so hard to grasp for me

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Third day of the semester and I'm already overwhelmed let's goooo babeeeeyyyyyyyyyy

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Why as a theist I think religion is a bad idea...

 I’d like to think that, at least once or twice, I’ve made it apparent that I believe in something. And, in the same breath, I’ve said that religion is an outdated tool for those who prefer to close their eyes on progress and the future. And at least once or twice, somewhere, I’ve expounded on what I think and feel with some minor degree of ease.

I’ve often stated that I am a “Literary Creationist”. This is a belief that every story is a view of another universe, and that to find our story, you’d have to leave it.

To really get a grasp of this, you have to accept a couple things. The first being that no religious text in our universe pertains to us. Sorry, but even science has pretty much cleared that issue up.

Second, even those who believe in a god or gods are in some regard atheist. Saying that you don’t believe in someone else’s god proves that point. The only true non-atheists are those who are open to the idea that ALL gods/goddesses exist.

Third... And this one is pretty important... You have to be open to the multiverse theory. And if you want to throw “But there is no conceivable edge to the known universe” line at me, you fail to consider that we are simply 3-dimensional beings living in a n+ dimensional universe, so it’s hard to imagine an edge from a 3D point of view.

That covers the basics. However, I also want to add, for those that are particularly narrow-minded, that all forms of Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, and Islam are in essence the same religion/story, with the caveat that some of you have decided where you want it to end individually. You all fall under the blanket of “Abrahamic;” get over it. (Technically this includes the Mormons, but they’re more a fanfiction. #sorrynotsorry)

Now, a story I don’t often share starts with the fact that people of the general “Abrahamic” faith like to say “When you are ready, God will come to you.” What they fail to mention is... Which one. or how many. I should probably start with the time I died, but there are several years between that and this, so if you want that story, ask and I’ll share it later.

 My grandmother is Catholic, and therefore I started life as Catholic, sort of. My first encounter with a “god,” though, was when I was a child, and we were attending a Mountain Man Rendezvous at Fort Union. I and a number of other children decided to explore the fort. Within the trading centre of the fort, we saw a stone face float down the chimney in the back, move forward, smile, and leave the way it came. Needless to say, we all freaked the fuck out and ran. I told my mom, and, being the open person she is, asked a friend about it. Apparently, this was a Native Shamanic spirit. Having been raised on the idea that there was only one flavour of belief, obviously, this blew my mind. Because of this, I gained an interest in studying several belief systems, my favourites being Norse and Egyptian. After that, I’ve had several encounters with other deities that lead me to my current belief system. And not a single one of then thinks I should be a follower of their various religions.

Religion started as a way to explain things we didn’t understand. “This god makes it rain because of this reason.” “This god makes our crops die because s/he’s angry.”  “The herds have provided so much food for us because this god is happy!”

As time wore on, we began to understand things. The more we understood, the less we needed the gods. Eventually, though, there came a need to control people; how they view authority, and their need to make babies to feed the war efforts. A reproductive mandate in any belief system is literally, “Make more people so we have more soldiers to throw at people who disagree with us. We need more of us than there are of them.” And, whenever someone wanted their group of believers to shift views, they made their own branch. This is why there are DOZENS of branches of the Abrahamic faith and so many different versions of the various parts of the Torah/Bible/Quran. Did you know there are (more or less) 5 “books” in the Torah, 66 in the Bible, and 114 in the Quran? See how much has been added to each iteration?

And modern Abrahamic followers of the various branches now pick and choose which parts are more literal than others, because they themselves break a majority of the tenants found within. I don’t know many Christ-like Christians, personally. Do you?

It hurts me deep within my soul that religion has been turned into a tool against progress, which is a general 180 turn from its origin. Instead of a holding place to be filled with information later, it’s being used as a barricade to halt us. The fact that religion is a tool being used to political ends itself goes against the ideals this country was “founded” upon. If we’re going to let them interfere politically, we may as well drop their tax exemption.

And this leads me to another interesting tidbit. Does anyone else get irked when they hear about a discovery of “Near-Modern Technology?” It ignores the fact that we’re basically playing catch-up with our ancestors after the burning of the Library of Alexandria, which set us back for a long-ass time.

On that note, I will close this post out. Thanks for bearing with me, and I hope you have a wonderful day.

[marcusssanderson]

Courage Quotes About Life, Strength and Facing Fear

Looking for motivating courage quotes that will help you be brave in the face of challenges?

Many people think it is in the grand gestures and the major acts.

However, courage can be in the small choices that we make each day, in doing something despite being afraid of it.

It’s facing a fear, or jumping into something, even if we are unsure of the outcome.

What does it mean to have courage? How can we be more courageous in our daily life?

If we take stock in ourselves and our thoughts and actions, we may find that we have more courage than we give ourselves credit for.

More importantly, we need to refine our definition of what courage truly is.

Here are some inspiring, wise, and powerful courage quotes, courage sayings, and courage proverbs on what it is, and how different it can look to each and every one of us.

Courage quotes for pushing past fear

1.) “One isn’t necessarily born with courage, but one is born with potential. Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can’t be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest.”- Maya Angelou

2.) “Without courage, wisdom bears no fruit.”- Baltasar Gracian

3.) “Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one’s courage.”- Anais Nin

4.) “When things go wrong as they sometimes will,

When the road you’re trudging seems all uphill,

When the funds are low and the debts are high,

And you want to smile but you have to sigh,

When care is pressing you down a bit

Rest if you must, but don’t you quit.

Success is failure turned inside out,

The silver tint on the clouds of doubt,

And you can never tell how close you are,

It may be near when it seems afar.

So, stick to the fight when you’re hardest hit

“It’s when things go wrong that you mustn’t quit.”- Unknown

5.) “Of all forms of caution, caution in love is perhaps the most fatal to true happiness.”- Bertrand Russell

6.) “The best way out is always through.”- Robert Frost

7.) “Only be you strong, and very courageous, then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.” – Joshua 1:7-8

8.) “The greatest test of courage on the earth is to bear defeat without losing heart.”- R. G. Ingersoll

9.) “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”- Theodore Roosevelt

10.) “Don’t get discouraged; it is often the last key in the bunch that opens the lock.”- Unknown

Courage Quotes about life

11.) “To dare is to lose one’s footing momentarily. To not dare is to lose oneself.”- Soren Kierkegaard

12.) “Remember that failure is an event, not a person.”- Unknown

13.) “Whatever you do, you need courage. Whatever course you decide upon, there is always someone to tell you that you are wrong. There are always difficulties arising that tempt you to believe your critics are right.”- Ralph Waldo Emerson

14.) “Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities . . . because it is the quality which guarantees all others.” – Winston Churchill

15.) “The encouraging thing is that every time you meet a situation, though you may think at the impossibility and you go through the tortures of the damned, once you have met it and lived through it you find that forever after you are freer than you ever were before. If you can live through that you can live through anything.

You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, `I lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along.’ The danger lies in refusing to face the fear, in not daring to come to grips with it.

If you fail anywhere along the line, it will take away your confidence. You must make yourself succeed every time. You must do the thing you think you cannot do.” – Eleanor Roosevelt, You Learn By Living (1960)

16.) “The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.” – Tacitus, Roman historian

Quotes about courage and success

17.) “I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflections.” – Thomas Paine

18.) “There is nothing in the world so much admired as a man who knows how to bear unhappiness with courage.” – Seneca

19.) “Bravery is a complicated thing to describe. You can’t say it’s three feet long and two feet wide and that it weighs four hundred pounds or that it’s colored bright blue or that it sounds like a piano or that it smells like roses. It’s a quality, not a thing.” – Mickey Mantle, The Quality of Courage

20.) “Courage is doing what you’re afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you’re scared.” – Eddie Rickenbacker, World War I hero

21.) “Fight hard when you are down; die hard—determine at least to do—and you won’t die at all.” – James H. West

Inspiring Courage Quotes about fighting for your dreams

22.) “Whatever your sex or position, life is a battle in which you are to show your pluck, and woe be to the coward. Whether passed on a bed of sickness or a tented field, it is ever the same fair play and admits no foolish distinction. Despair and postponement are cowardice and defeat. Men were born to succeed, not to fail.” – Henry David Thoreau

23.) “What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.” – Donald Trump

24.) “Courage is not limited to the battlefield or the Indianapolis 500 or bravely catching a thief in your house. The real tests of courage are much quieter. They are the inner tests, like remaining faithful when nobody’s looking, like enduring pain when the room is empty, like standing alone when you’re misunderstood.” – Charles Swindoll

25.) “Never let the fear of striking out get in your way.” – Babe Ruth

26.) “No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy.” – Admiral Horatio Nelson

27.) “[Admiral Nelson’s counsel] guided me time and again. On the eve of the critical battle of Santa Cruz, in which the Japanese ships outnumbered ours more than two to one, I sent my task force commanders this dispatch: ATTACK REPEAT ATTACK. They did attack, heroically, and when the battle was done, the enemy turned away.

All problems, personal, national, or combat, become smaller if you don’t dodge them, but confront them. Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. Carry the battle to the enemy! Lay your ship alongside his!” – Admiral William “Bull” Halsey

28.) “Trust the still, small voice that says, “this might work and I’ll try it.” – Diane Mariechild

29.) “Come to the edge, He said.

They said: We are afraid.

Come to the edge, He said.

They came. He pushed them,

And they flew . . .” – Guillaume Apollinaire, French poet

Courage quotes about strength and love

30.) “Never forget that no military leader has ever become great without audacity.” – Karl von Clausewitz

31.) “Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.” – Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister

32.) “To look at something as though we had never seen it before requires great courage.” – Henri Matisse

33.) “Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear – not the absence of fear. Except a creature be part coward it is not a compliment to say it is brave.” – Mark Twain, The Tragedy of Pudd’nhead Wilson

34.) “Courage is being scared to death—but saddling up anyway.” – John Wayne

35.) “Begin it now. The moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one’s favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance which no man could have dreamed would have come his way. ”

36.) “We need to wake up from a thought that lasts too long.” – Paul Valéry

37.) “In the age-old contest between popularity and principle, only those willing to lose for their convictions are deserving of posterity’s approval.” – Gerald R. Ford

38.) “To uncover your true potential you must first find your own limits and then you have to have the courage to blow past them.” – Picabo Street

39.) “Courage is more exhilarating than fear and in the long run it is easier. We do not have to become heroes overnight. Just a step at a time, meeting each thing that comes up, seeing it is not as dreadful as it appeared, discovering we have the strength to stare it down.”- Eleanor Roosevelt, You Learn By Living (1960)

40.) “I have endured a great deal of ridicule without much malice; and have received a great deal of kindness, not quite free from ridicule. I am used to it.” – Abraham Lincoln, November 2, 1863 in letter to James H. Hackett

41.) “Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less.” – Marie Curie

Courage quotes on following your dreams

42.) “Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there is always something you can do and succeed at.  It matters that you don’t just give up.” ― Stephen Hawking

43.) “I know what I want, I have a goal, an opinion, I have a religion and love. Let me be myself and then I am satisfied. I know that I’m a woman, a woman with inward strength and plenty of courage.” ― Anne Frank

44.) “We need a backbone, not a wishbone.” ― Joyce Meyer

45.) “Stories make us more alive, more human, more courageous, more loving.” ― Madeleine L’Engle

46.) “When I step out on stage in front of thousands of people, I don’t feel that I’m being brave. It can take much more courage to express true feelings to one person. […] In spite of the risks, the courage to be honest and intimate opens the way to self-discovery. It offers what we all want, the promise of love. ” ― Michael Jackson

47.) “I told myself, Malala, you have already faced death. This is your second life. Don’t be afraid — if you are afraid, you can’t move forward.” ― Malala Yousafzai

48.) “The only tyrant I accept in this world is the ‘still small voice’ within me. And even though I have to face the prospect of being a minority of one, I humbly believe I have the courage to be in such a hopeless minority.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

49.) “What we know matters but who we are matters more.” ― Brené Brown

50.) “Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees the others.” ― Aristotle

Courage quotes to help you find your inner bravery

51.)  “I beg you take courage; the brave soul can mend even disaster.” – Catherine the Great

52.) “Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage.” – Confucius

53.) “Courage is the most important of all the virtues because without courage, you can’t practice any other virtue consistently.” – Maya Angelou

54.) It takes courage to examine your life and to decide that there are things you would like to change, and it takes even more courage to do something about it. – Sue Hadfield

55.) “Courage doesn’t always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, “I will try again tomorrow.” – Mary Anne Radmacher

Motivational courage quotes

56.) “Courage is looking fear right in the eye and saying, “Get the hell out of my way, I’ve got things to do.” – Unknown

57.) “It takes courage to grow up and become who you really are.”― E.E. Cummings

58.) “You cannot swim for new horizons until you have courage to lose sight of the shore.”― William Faulkner

59.) “Everyone has talent. What’s rare is the courage to follow it to the dark places where it leads.” ― Erica Jong

60.) “Courage is found in unlikely places.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien

Powerful courage quotes

61.) “Never bend your head. Always hold it high. Look the world straight in the eye.” – Helen Keller

62.) “With enough courage, you can do without a reputation.” ― Margaret Mitchell

63.) “He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life.” – Muhammad Ali

64.) “Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.” – Winston Churchill

65.) “Bravery is being the only one who knows you’re afraid.” ―Franklin P. Jones

66.) “You can choose courage, or you can choose comfort, but you cannot choose both.” ―Brené Brown

67.) “Courage isn’t having the strength to go on – it is going on when you don’t have strength.” ― Napoleon Bonaparte

68.) “Courage is grace under pressure.” ― Ernest hemingway

69.) “Have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become.” ―Steve Jobs

70.) “Fortune always favors the brave, and never helps a man who does not help himself.” ―P. T. Barnum

Other uplifting courage quotes

71.) “Be Brave and Take Risks: You need to have faith in yourself. Be brave and take risks. You don’t have to have it all figured out to move forward.” ― Roy T. Bennett

72.) “Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage.”― Lao Tzu

73.) “The courage to imagine the otherwise is our greatest resource, adding color and suspense to all our life.” – Daniel J Boorstin

74.) “It is courage, courage, courage, that raises the blood of life to crimson splendor. Live bravely and present a brave front to adversity.” – Horace

75.) “Courage conquers all things: it even gives strength to the body.” – Ovid

76.) “Without fear there cannot be courage.” ― Christopher Paolini

77.) “Real courage is knowing what faces you and knowing how to face it. – Timothy Dalton

78.) “Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others.” ― Robert Louis Stevenson

79.) “If you have a dream, don’t just sit there. Gather courage to believe that you can succeed and leave no stone unturned to make it a reality.” ― Dr Roopleen

80.) “The courage it took to get out of bed each morning to face the same things over and over was enormous.” ― Charles Bukowski

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Exodus 4

What are these parlor tricks that Yahweh is doing here? We read later that the rod into snake trick is duplicated by the Egyptians so we know it can't be much of a test of the divine word. Anyone 'in the world' can make a straight line crooked. And the flesh to leprosy and back again. What does this tell us about human action as commanded by Yahweh? The creation of the unclean and its cleansing, is this a human game also? We know we can destroy. Can we also create? Wait and see. There may be more power in human cooperation these days than we imagine. verse 10: Moses is so eloquent in his denial of words. It is almost as if he is stuttering in Hebrew. He can't get the words out without the help of the guttural גם. You can hear his awkwardness in the music of verse 10. He even touches on Yahweh's initial word to him. But the hint of anger only comes as a response to verse 13. Is this a sort of teen-aged "Whatever"? Even the most gifted of children can be reluctant. But Moses goes and in verse 21 we have the anticipation of the resolute heart that is in the ruler of Egypt to refuse to send out the people. (Discussion of send here, of hard here)

The key to the analogy is that we are owned by Egypt, and Egypt is instructed to send us out of its land. We do not belong to Egypt. But Egypt will fight tooth and nail to hold us. Even when we are dismissed, expelled, and gone, Egypt will continue to come after what it has lost even to its own destruction. You can say Egypt is 'the world' as long as you remember that the analogy is relative. Egypt is also loved and legitimately. It needs release from itself also. We are Egypt and we are Pharaoh. There is no easy division of ourselves from both sides of the enigma. This comes back to the problem of inclusion / exclusion. As long as we are the arbiters of exclusion or inclusion, we will fail to see our own troubling character. But that we should escape (be expelled, sent away) and begin the process of learning who we are and the nature of the promise, that is good. Yet too, the promise is effected from the beginning. Hence the language of Passover (and Easter). This is neither fatalism nor religion, but a difficult aspect of responsibility and faithfulness. Like death, this story has its role in the bootstrap of humanity.

The combination אנכי חרג I can only find here in this verse. It is an immediate action promise expressed as an active participle. Even Moses must die, must get out of his uncircumcised Egypt, must be in that covenant of micro-death. So Yahweh seeks to put Moses to death as the story tells us in this chapter. His wife knows this. If it were not for Zippora, there would have been no exodus, no Torah, no 10 words. No one said the rock was sharp, but one could assume so given its application. It's story, folks, but like all good story, it is perceptive, it will undermine your assumptions, and it has staying power.

Exodus 4 Fn Min Max Syll וַיַּ֤עַן מֹשֶׁה֙ וַיֹּ֔אמֶר וְהֵן֙ לֹֽא־יַאֲמִ֣ינוּ לִ֔י וְלֹ֥א יִשְׁמְע֖וּ בְּקֹלִ֑י כִּ֣י יֹֽאמְר֔וּ לֹֽא־נִרְאָ֥ה אֵלֶ֖יךָ יְהוָֽה 1 And Moses answered and he said, But lo, they will not believe me, and they will not hear my voice, for they will say, Yahweh has not appeared to you. 3e 4C 23 11 וַיֹּ֧אמֶר אֵלָ֛יו יְהוָ֖ה מַה־זֶּ֣ה בְיָדֶ֑ךָ וַיֹּ֖אמֶר מַטֶּֽה 2 And Yahweh said to him, What is this in your hand? And he said, A rod. 3c 4B 13 5 וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ הַשְׁלִיכֵ֣הוּ אַ֔רְצָה וַיַּשְׁלִיכֵ֥הוּ אַ֖רְצָה וַיְהִ֣י לְנָחָ֑שׁ וַיָּ֥נָס מֹשֶׁ֖ה מִפָּנָֽיו 3 And he said, Fling it earthward, and he flung it earthward and it became a snake. And Moses withdrew before it. 3e 4B 21 8 וַיֹּ֤אמֶר יְהוָה֙ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה שְׁלַח֙ יָֽדְךָ֔ וֶאֱחֹ֖ז בִּזְנָב֑וֹ וַיִּשְׁלַ֤ח יָדוֹ֙ וַיַּ֣חֲזֶק בּ֔וֹ וַיְהִ֥י לְמַטֶּ֖ה בְּכַפּֽוֹ 4 And Yahweh said to Moses, Extend your hand and grasp it by its tail. And he extended his hand and he held it resolutely, and it became a rod in his palm. 3e 4C 18 18 לְמַ֣עַן יַאֲמִ֔ינוּ כִּֽי־נִרְאָ֥ה אֵלֶ֛יךָ יְהוָ֖ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹתָ֑ם אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֖ק וֵאלֹהֵ֥י יַעֲקֹֽב 5 In order that they may believe that Yahweh the God of their ancestors has appeared to you, the God of Abraham, the God of Yitschaq, and the God of Jacob. 3c 4B 21 17 וַיֹּאמֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה ל֜וֹ ע֗וֹד הָֽבֵא־נָ֤א יָֽדְךָ֙ בְּחֵיקֶ֔ךָ וַיָּבֵ֥א יָד֖וֹ בְּחֵיק֑וֹ וַיּ֣וֹצִאָ֔הּ וְהִנֵּ֥ה יָד֖וֹ מְצֹרַ֥עַת כַּשָּֽׁלֶג 6 And Yahweh said to him further, Bring if you will your hand to your bosom. And he brought his hand to his bosom. and he brought it out, and behold, his hand was leprous as snow. 3e 4C 24 16 וַיֹּ֗אמֶר הָשֵׁ֤ב יָֽדְךָ֙ אֶל־חֵיקֶ֔ךָ וַיָּ֥שֶׁב יָד֖וֹ אֶל־חֵיק֑וֹ וַיּֽוֹצִאָהּ֙ מֵֽחֵיק֔וֹ וְהִנֵּה־שָׁ֖בָה כִּבְשָׂרֽוֹ 7 And he said, Return your hand to your bosom. And he returned his hand to his bosom, and he brought it out from his bosom, and, behold, it returned as his own flesh. 3e 4C 19 15 וְהָיָה֙ אִם־לֹ֣א יַאֲמִ֣ינוּ לָ֔ךְ וְלֹ֣א יִשְׁמְע֔וּ לְקֹ֖ל הָאֹ֣ת הָרִאשׁ֑וֹן וְהֶֽאֱמִ֔ינוּ לְקֹ֖ל הָאֹ֥ת הָאַחֲרֽוֹן 8 But it will be if they do not believe you and they do not hear the voice of the first sign, then they will believe the voice of the latter sign. 3e 4B 22 13 וְהָיָ֡ה אִם־לֹ֣א יַאֲמִ֡ינוּ גַּם֩ לִשְׁנֵ֨י הָאֹת֜וֹת הָאֵ֗לֶּה וְלֹ֤א יִשְׁמְעוּן֙ לְקֹלֶ֔ךָ וְלָקַחְתָּ֙ מִמֵּימֵ֣י הַיְאֹ֔ר וְשָׁפַכְתָּ֖ הַיַּבָּשָׁ֑ה וְהָי֤וּ הַמַּ֙יִם֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר תִּקַּ֣ח מִן־הַיְאֹ֔ר וְהָי֥וּ לְדָ֖ם בַּיַּבָּֽשֶׁת 9 But it will be if they do not believe even the second of these signs and they do not hear your voice, then you will take from the waters of the Nile and pour them out on the dry land, and they will become, the waters that you will take from the Nile, and they will become blood in the dry land. 3e 4C 44 21 וַיֹּ֨אמֶר מֹשֶׁ֣ה אֶל־יְהוָה֮ בִּ֣י אֲדֹנָי֒ לֹא֩ אִ֨ישׁ דְּבָרִ֜ים אָנֹ֗כִי גַּ֤ם מִתְּמוֹל֙ גַּ֣ם מִשִּׁלְשֹׁ֔ם גַּ֛ם מֵאָ֥ז דַּבֶּרְךָ אֶל־עַבְדֶּ֑ךָ כִּ֧י כְבַד־פֶּ֛ה וּכְבַ֥ד לָשׁ֖וֹן אָנֹֽכִי 10 And Moses said to Yahweh, O my Lord, not a man of words am I. Even recently, even the day before yesterday, even since your word to your servant, for heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue am I. 3c 4C 37 11 וַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהוָ֜ה אֵלָ֗יו מִ֣י שָׂ֣ם פֶּה֮ לָֽאָדָם֒ א֚וֹ מִֽי־יָשׂ֣וּם אִלֵּ֔ם א֣וֹ חֵרֵ֔שׁ א֥וֹ פִקֵּ֖חַ א֣וֹ עִוֵּ֑ר הֲלֹ֥א אָנֹכִ֖י יְהוָֽה 11 And Yahweh said to him, Who sets up the mouth for a human? Or who defines dumb or deaf or gives sight or blindness? Is it not I, Yahweh? 3e 4C 28 7 וְעַתָּ֖ה לֵ֑ךְ וְאָנֹכִי֙ אֶֽהְיֶ֣ה עִם־פִּ֔יךָ וְהוֹרֵיתִ֖יךָ אֲשֶׁ֥ר תְּדַבֵּֽר 12 So now, go, and I, I will be with your mouth, and I will instruct you that you may speak. 3e 4B 4 19 וַיֹּ֖אמֶר בִּ֣י אֲדֹנָ֑י שְֽׁלַֽח־נָ֖א בְּיַד־תִּשְׁלָֽח 13 And he said, O my Lord, send, if you will, in the hand you send. 3e 4B 7 7 וַיִּֽחַר־אַ֨ף יְהוָ֜ה בְּמֹשֶׁ֗ה וַיֹּ֙אמֶר֙ הֲלֹ֨א אַהֲרֹ֤ן אָחִ֙יךָ֙ הַלֵּוִ֔י יָדַ֕עְתִּי כִּֽי־דַבֵּ֥ר יְדַבֵּ֖ר ה֑וּא וְגַ֤ם הִנֵּה־הוּא֙ יֹצֵ֣א לִקְרָאתֶ֔ךָ וְרָאֲךָ֖ וְשָׂמַ֥ח בְּלִבּֽוֹ 14 And the anger of Yahweh burned against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite your brother? I know that he will speak a word, and moreover behold, he has come out himself to call you, and when he sees you, he will be glad in his heart. 3e 4C 32 21 וְדִבַּרְתָּ֣ אֵלָ֔יו וְשַׂמְתָּ֥ אֶת־הַדְּבָרִ֖ים בְּפִ֑יו וְאָנֹכִ֗י אֶֽהְיֶ֤ה עִם־פִּ֙יךָ֙ וְעִם־פִּ֔יהוּ וְהוֹרֵיתִ֣י אֶתְכֶ֔ם אֵ֖ת אֲשֶׁ֥ר תַּעֲשֽׂוּן 15 And you will speak to him, and you will put words in his mouth. And I, I will be with your mouth and with his mouth, and I will instruct you what you will do. 3e 4C 15 25 וְדִבֶּר־ה֥וּא לְךָ֖ אֶל־הָעָ֑ם וְהָ֤יָה הוּא֙ יִֽהְיֶה־לְּךָ֣ לְפֶ֔ה וְאַתָּ֖ה תִּֽהְיֶה־לּ֥וֹ לֵֽאלֹהִֽים 16 And he will speak for you to the people. And he is, he, he will be for you as mouth, and you, you will be for him as God. 3e 4C 9 19 וְאֶת־הַמַּטֶּ֥ה הַזֶּ֖ה תִּקַּ֣ח בְּיָדֶ֑ךָ אֲשֶׁ֥ר תַּעֲשֶׂה־בּ֖וֹ אֶת־הָאֹתֹֽת 17 And this rod you will take in your hand, that with it you may do the signs. 3e 4B 13 10 וַיֵּ֨לֶךְ מֹשֶׁ֜ה וַיָּ֣שָׁב ׀ אֶל־יֶ֣תֶר חֹֽתְנ֗וֹ וַיֹּ֤אמֶר לוֹ֙ אֵ֣לְכָה נָּ֗א וְאָשׁ֙וּבָה֙ אֶל־אַחַ֣י אֲשֶׁר־בְּמִצְרַ֔יִם וְאֶרְאֶ֖ה הַעוֹדָ֣ם חַיִּ֑ים וַיֹּ֧אמֶר יִתְר֛וֹ לְמֹשֶׁ֖ה לֵ֥ךְ לְשָׁלֽוֹם 18 And Moses went and returned to Jethro, his father-in-law, saying to him, Let me go please that I may return to my kin that are in Egypt and I will see if they are still alive. And Jethro said to Moses, Go in peace. 3c 4C 40 12 וַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהוָ֤ה אֶל־מֹשֶׁה֙ בְּמִדְיָ֔ן לֵ֖ךְ שֻׁ֣ב מִצְרָ֑יִם כִּי־מֵ֙תוּ֙ כָּל־הָ֣אֲנָשִׁ֔ים הַֽמְבַקְשִׁ֖ים אֶת־נַפְשֶֽׁךָ 19 And Yahweh said to Moses in Midian, Go. Return to Egypt, for dead are all the persons who were seeking your being. 3e 4C 16 14 וַיִּקַּ֨ח מֹשֶׁ֜ה אֶת־אִשְׁתּ֣וֹ וְאֶת־בָּנָ֗יו וַיַּרְכִּבֵם֙ עַֽל־הַחֲמֹ֔ר וַיָּ֖שָׁב אַ֣רְצָה מִצְרָ֑יִם וַיִּקַּ֥ח מֹשֶׁ֛ה אֶת־מַטֵּ֥ה הָאֱלֹהִ֖ים בְּיָדֽוֹ 20 And Moses took his wife and his children, and had them ride on the ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt. And Moses took the rod of God in his hand. 3d 4B 28 15 וַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהוָה֮ אֶל־מֹשֶׁה֒ בְּלֶכְתְּךָ֙ לָשׁ֣וּב מִצְרַ֔יְמָה רְאֵ֗ה כָּל־הַמֹּֽפְתִים֙ אֲשֶׁר־שַׂ֣מְתִּי בְיָדֶ֔ךָ וַעֲשִׂיתָ֖ם לִפְנֵ֣י פַרְעֹ֑ה וַאֲנִי֙ אֲחַזֵּ֣ק אֶת־לִבּ֔וֹ וְלֹ֥א יְשַׁלַּ֖ח אֶת־הָעָֽם 21 And Yahweh said to Moses, When you go to return to Egypt, see all the miracles that I set in your hand, and you will do them before Pharaoh. And I, I will make his heart resolute and he will not send the people out. 3e 4B 39 17 וְאָמַרְתָּ֖ אֶל־פַּרְעֹ֑ה כֹּ֚ה אָמַ֣ר יְהוָ֔ה בְּנִ֥י בְכֹרִ֖י יִשְׂרָאֵֽל 22 Then you will say to Pharaoh, Thus says Yahweh, My child, my firstborn, is Israel. 3e 4C 7 13 וָאֹמַ֣ר אֵלֶ֗יךָ שַׁלַּ֤ח אֶת־בְּנִי֙ וְיַֽעַבְדֵ֔נִי וַתְּמָאֵ֖ן לְשַׁלְּח֑וֹ הִנֵּה֙ אָנֹכִ֣י הֹרֵ֔ג אֶת־בִּנְךָ֖ בְּכֹרֶֽךָ 23 And I say to you, Send out my child that they may serve me, and if you are unwilling to send them, behold, I am slaying your child, your firstborn. 3e 4C 22 14 וַיְהִ֥י בַדֶּ֖רֶךְ בַּמָּל֑וֹן וַיִּפְגְּשֵׁ֣הוּ יְהוָ֔ה וַיְבַקֵּ֖שׁ הֲמִיתֽוֹ 24 And it happened in the way at the stop over, that Yahweh met him, and he sought to put him to death. 3e 4B 8 13 וַתִּקַּ֨ח צִפֹּרָ֜ה צֹ֗ר וַתִּכְרֹת֙ אֶת־עָרְלַ֣ת בְּנָ֔הּ וַתַּגַּ֖ע לְרַגְלָ֑יו וַתֹּ֕אמֶר כִּ֧י חֲתַן־דָּמִ֛ים אַתָּ֖ה לִֽי 25 And Zipporah took a rock and she cut the foreskin of her child, and touched his feet, and she said, Because you are a bridegroom of blood for me. 3c 4B 21 11 וַיִּ֖רֶף מִמֶּ֑נּוּ אָ֚ז אָֽמְרָ֔ה חֲתַ֥ן דָּמִ֖ים לַמּוּלֹֽת 26 And she desisted from him. Then she said, A bridegroom of blood, for the circumcision. 3e 4C 6 10 וַיֹּ֤אמֶר יְהוָה֙ אֶֽל־אַהֲרֹ֔ן לֵ֛ךְ לִקְרַ֥את מֹשֶׁ֖ה הַמִּדְבָּ֑רָה וַיֵּ֗לֶךְ וַֽיִּפְגְּשֵׁ֛הוּ בְּהַ֥ר הָאֱלֹהִ֖ים וַיִּשַּׁק־לֽוֹ 27 And Yahweh said to Aaron, Go to encounter Moses towards the wilderness, and he went and met him on the hill of the gods and kissed him. 3d 4C 18 18 וַיַּגֵּ֤ד מֹשֶׁה֙ לְאַֽהֲרֹ֔ן אֵ֛ת כָּל־דִּבְרֵ֥י יְהוָ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר שְׁלָח֑וֹ וְאֵ֥ת כָּל־הָאֹתֹ֖ת אֲשֶׁ֥ר צִוָּֽהוּ 28 And Moses made clear for Aaron all the words of Yahweh who sent him, and all the signs that he had commanded him. 3d 4C 20 11 וַיֵּ֥לֶךְ מֹשֶׁ֖ה וְאַהֲרֹ֑ן וַיַּ֣אַסְפ֔וּ אֶת־כָּל־זִקְנֵ֖י בְּנֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵֽל 29 And Moses and Aaron went, and gathered all the elders of the children of Israel. 3e 4B 9 13 וַיְדַבֵּ֣ר אַהֲרֹ֔ן אֵ֚ת כָּל־הַדְּבָרִ֔ים אֲשֶׁר־דִּבֶּ֥ר יְהוָ֖ה אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֑ה וַיַּ֥עַשׂ הָאֹתֹ֖ת לְעֵינֵ֥י הָעָֽם 30 And Aaron spoke all the things that Yahweh had spoken to Moses, and he did the signs in the sight of the people. 3e 4C 20 11 וַֽיַּאֲמֵ֖ן הָעָ֑ם וַֽיִּשְׁמְע֡וּ כִּֽי־פָקַ֨ד יְהוָ֜ה אֶת־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל וְכִ֤י רָאָה֙ אֶת־עָנְיָ֔ם וַֽיִּקְּד֖וּ וַיִּֽשְׁתַּחֲוּֽוּ 31 And the people believed, when they heard that Yahweh had visited the children of Israel, and that he saw their affliction, they bowed their head and they worshiped. 3e 4C 6 29

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Young Oon Kim decided to follow Father in 1955 – but it ended in flames and tears

“It is believed Young Oon Kim burned much of her papers at the end of her time on Earth. Some of her letters were recently discovered in HK House, not much to build an archive. It is hoped those whom she touched during her life will share their memories and material to build her own archive.”

http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Talks/Dkim/dKim-121012.htm

Young Oon Kim was born in 1914 on Hwang-Hae Island in Korea.

Michael Mickler: “Young Oon Kim was a pioneer missionary, theologian and spiritual leader. She was the first Unification missionary to the United States, arriving in 1959. She incorporated the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity (HSA-UWC) in 1961 and built the church during the 1960s, sending pioneers throughout the United States and Western Europe. She published eight editions of the Principle from 1960-72 and played a major role in the purchase of Belvedere International Training Center.

“Prior to joining the Unification movement, Miss Kim was a professor of New Testament, Church History and Comparative Religion at Ewha Woman’s University [in Seoul]. She was a graduate of the Methodist seminary at Kwansei Gakuin University, Japan and a noted woman intellectual in Korean society. She did postgraduate work at Emmanuel College at the University of Toronto on a scholarship from the United Church of Canada from 1948-51 and was a sponsored observer at international Christian conferences in Germany and Switzerland. Along with four other faculty members (and fourteen students who were expelled), Miss Kim resigned from Ewha University in 1955 in protest over demands to disaffiliate from the Unification Church.”

                                     Young Oon Kim in about 1963

Farley Jones: “She was a teacher her whole life. As a teenager, she had this profound experience with God, after which she joined a Methodist church. She had profound personal experiences with Jesus after that, and while she was working in a bank, she heard a voice that said, don’t work with dead numbers, work with people. Thereafter she changed her occupation and began to teach.”

This profound experience she had as a teenager was with Rev. Yong-do Lee, who was later branded as a heretic by the mainstream denominations in Korea. Father also joined his church – but he never met Rev. Lee who died in October 1933.

Young Oon Kim arrived in Oregon on January 4, 1959 to pioneer the US. She witnessed and worked hard to publish an English edition of the Divine Principle. Her first edition was published in 1960. The 1963 edition had a blue cover. Here is the title page from that edition:

Apparently Father was very angry with her for putting her name on the cover.

Here is her 1972 edition:

Thomas Selover: “When our Unification Theological Seminary first opened in 1975, Dr. Kim became professor of Systematic Theology and World Religions, the only Unification Church member on the teaching faculty at that time. As textbooks, we used her book Unification Theology and Christian Thought and later her series on world religions; but we were most fascinated by her “off the record” insights on Divine Principle and her stories of Father in the early days of our movement. She encouraged us not to be bound by the letter of texts, but to develop our own inner spiritual life through prayer, meditation and reflection.”

Therese Stewart: “For fifteen years, Dr. Kim served as Professor of Theology at UTS in Barrytown. She taught courses in systematic theology and lectured on the world’s religions. She authored books on world religions, on modern theology, and Unification theology. She often took her meals in the faculty dining room. There she loved to answer professors’ questions about Father, his movement and the Divine Principle. She gave inspiring sermons at worship services in the seminary chapel. There, as well as in the classroom, she called all of us to the highest standard spiritually as well as academically. … Dr. Kim had a great sense of the value of time so she was always constructively occupied. Yet she always tended those who needed words of comfort, encouragement or counsel. … At the seminary, we were accustomed to meeting her on her daily walks about the campus. She loved the outdoors and always admonished us to care for and conserve the things of creation – not to waste water, electricity, food or time. She was an example of healthful living with a simple diet, daily exercise, a positive mental attitude, useful work and service to others.”

Nora Spurgin: “Dr. Kim taught us that learning to master human relationships is an essential key in a person’s religious life and spiritual growth.”

Why did Miss Kim burn her papers? One person to have asked would have been Glenda Moody. Miss Kim was very close to her.

Richard Barlow: “Unfortunately Glenda Moody took her own life some years ago, in Oregon, by means of an overdose. She had been cleaned out financially by the African brother to whom she was blessed by True Father. It is surprising how few people seem to know what happened to her. Before she died she wrote a sad letter to one of the few people she still felt cared about her, explaining why she couldn’t go on with her life. Glenda was indeed close to Miss Kim: close enough that Miss Kim confided to her some of the details of her past relationship with True Father, which Glenda passed on before her death.”

[Miss Kim was married to Mr. Ahn M.D. PhD in Korea on November 4, 1964. Apparently he was not a member. The marriage seems not to have lasted long.]

Richard: “When she was at the Unification Theological Seminary she was shocked to see the behaviour of the True Children. They were not being trained; they did not understand the Divine Principle; they did not respect the members. Hyo Jin would ride around Tarrytown on a horse or a motorbike and annoy people. She thought there would be no future for the movement if the members were not respected, but were abused.”

Hyo Jin Moon in 1975. Father is admonishing him for repeatedly riding past the group.

Richard: “David Kim had sidelined her at UTS, and she was seen as being too outspoken in her criticisms of the way things were being done at the top. David Kim had organised the installation of a system at UTS whereby the lecturers’ microphones were connected to a recording device. According to one of her students who went on to become a leading professor there, on one occasion she put her hand over the mic and confided to the class, “You don’t really believe this stuff, do you?” (She was teaching the standard DP contents of the Fall at the time.)

“Another time she remarked to a group of students that she thought True Father should go back to school (in that he was unaware of the limits of his knowledge base, and had stated more than once that he could not take advice from anyone except God).”

A former UTS student commented about Miss Kim: “She was critical of Father especially because he did not know much about Christian theology or other religions. Miss Kim was the brains behind Moon.”

Allen Tate Wood (a member from 1969-1973): “It was Miss Kim who first told me about Mr. Moon’s journeys in the spirit world. It was in the summer of 1970 shortly before I was to head off to Vietnam, Cambodia, Japan and finally Korea. I drove her down to Monticello from Washington. … I asked Miss Kim about his (Moon’s) grasp of the spirit world. She said “Well he may have been very open in the early days, but not so much now”. She went on to say that while she was accompanying him on one of his world tours (1965 I think) she had remarked his surprise, while they were in India, to discover that Buddha was not Chinese but Indian. I immediately thought, ‘well if he is talking to Jesus and Buddha and Mohammed and God all the time, why did he think that Buddha was Chinese? Was Buddha lying to Mr. Moon in the spirit world?’” LINK

Allen: “Miss Kim had always been a critical follower of the Reverend Moon. Once she had told me that she believed he had some years ago lost his ability to read minds and travel in the astral world. That was why he had to employ the three mediums now. Once she had hinted that Moon was not the messiah, but only in the line of the messiah. He was an Abraham figure, and his son or his grandson would be the true messiah. This was utter heresy, of course, and this was in the back of my mind as Miss Kim spoke.” Moonstruck, page 135

Allen: “One of the sad things that happened for us knew and loved Miss Kim – and particularly for me, since I was under her protection – was that Moon deposed her, abruptly, impatiently, bitterly, though privately. He was angry; he told her she had failed. We heard that he told her she must assume in regard to him the role of a child. She must learn everything all over again.”  Moonstruck, page 138.

In 1965 Miss Kim wrote about Father’s World Tour: “In both Athens and Cairo we saw the great civilizations which existed before Christ. The ancient Egyptians believed in the resurrection of the dead and built great tombs. Some tombs and statues were built 8,000 years ago, and many statues were erected 5,000 to 6,000 years ago. Our Leader was greatly astonished to see the huge pillars used in the Greek temples in Athens, and the ancient architecture of the pyramids and mosques built so many centuries ago. He stood by the River Nile and seemed to pray for a few minutes. The Egyptians call the river the Mother of Egypt because, in the huge desert of Sahara, the river makes part of the desert green and brings abundant food and water for the Egyptians to live.” New Age Frontiers – September 1965

It seems that Father thought the earth was 6,000 years old until that day in Egypt. A review of his pre-1965 sermons confirms this.

Richard: “Later at UTS David Kim told Miss Kim that “Father did not want to see her.” So she did not go to see him. Then Father asked where she was… so she went.

“Late in her life, Miss Kim reportedly said that she deeply regretted that she had not spoken out about where she felt things had gone wrong.

“Nora Spurgin and Betsy Jones visited her and found her collapsed in her room at UTS. She had no food. David Kim was in charge at Barrytown but he did not treat her well.”

She was asked by Father to leave the US and return to Korea.

Richard: “I think it is true to say that Young Oon Kim left America reluctantly and with sadness.”

A cake with the words ‘In remembrance of all you have done – January 4, 1959, through February 29, 1988’ was brought out in her honor, and she also received a monetary gift donated by brothers and sisters in the United States.

Richard: “There was a collection for her as she was leaving, which was given to her in a brown envelope. When she opened it she commented that it was not very much.”

When she first arrived in Oregon in 1959 George Norton was one of the first people to support her. He stayed with her and brought her food. As she left the US for the last time it was George who drove her to the airport on the west coast. She cried as she left.

                                        Young Oon Kim in 1988

Miss Kim was already not well when she left. She went to Isshin Hospital in Tokyo where she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

David Hose: “Over the years I’ve had numerous opportunities to meet with Dr. Kim, most recently at the Seminary, where she lived in an apartment on one of the lower floors during her many years of teaching there. I’ve come to know her as a person of incredible depth and heart. She doesn’t always express it outwardly. I think Americans are more accustomed to people who just bring it all out in the open…”

Farley: … Miss Kim said, “‘If you passionately love people, God comes so close.’ I think that this was her most frequently made point over the past five years of her life. She would say things like, ‘Position is not important, your identity, or what you have accomplished. What is important is love for other people.’ And this point she iterated and reiterated, because, I think, it was the conclusion that she came to reflecting on her own life.

“Her passing on September 30 [1989] was not an occasion to grieve. I went to Korea beforehand to visit her and to say good-bye. She was in pain and worn down by her illness.”

Richard: Another colleague from UTS “spoke to her on the phone two weeks before she died. It seems clear that she no longer regarded herself as a member, and that she had lost her faith in True Father. There is no record of a seunghwa. I based my conclusions on what was said during that call.”

Today’s World December 1989 page 17: In Korea a “remembrance ceremony” was held on October 2. It was attended by Dr. Edwin Ang.

There is no mention or record of a seunghwa for Young Oon Kim in the Today’s World’s five page feature on her. There are no photographs of a seunghwa anywhere to be found. It seems Father said nothing and did not attend any events in her honor.

There is a mention of a seunghwa held in Korea in the UTS publication, The Cornerstone. Since the date is given as October 2, it seems The Cornerstone is being deceptive in describing the same event as a “seunghwa” when it was a “remembrance ceremony”.

Her grave is simple; there is no UC symbol.

                                        旣成祝福家庭金永雲博士之殿

Moon and Young-oon Kim both followed Yong-do Lee

He was known as ‘Mun Yesu – Jesus Moon’ and the ‘physical Jesus’ in the 1950s.

Young-oon Kim takes care of Myung-hee Kim

Young-Oon Kim: “Our Leader might be coming…”

Young Oon Kim: “After graduating from high school, I took a job as a bank teller in a small town. One day I noticed a large sign in front of a large Korean Methodist church. It said there would be a revival meeting there with a Rev. Young Do Lee, which was to be conducted throughout the week.

That evening, out of curiosity, I decided to see what this meeting was all about. Although I arrived on time, I had to squeeze in, because hundreds of people were already there. Rev. Lee was a young Methodist minister who was a religious genius and also very rich in heart. He had studied in a liberal Methodist seminary in Seoul. As he preached, I could feel the Holy Spirit through his fiery words. Yes, there was judgment in the preaching, as he called everyone to repent, but it was supported by an ardent love of God that was most evident in his prayers. The hearts of everyone present were melted. Ministers, elders, deacons, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, teachers–men and women alike–cried in repentance and in deep humility.

Actually, Rev. Lee was a humble, meek, and reticent man, but once he stood up in the pulpit, he was a most eloquent, logical, and yet dynamic preacher. But there was nothing fanatic in him. After the meeting was over, he would kneel down on the floor and continue to pray. Many also remained with him and prayed. Maybe 15 or 20 would stay all night to pray. I was one of them. Perhaps around midnight, someone would stand up and speak in tongues, someone would prophesy, or someone would go into a trance. I had never seen such things before. Rev. Lee generated an awesome, powerful atmosphere. He was also a man of deep compassion for others. If he saw a beggar, he would search his pockets and give everything he had to him, and then, having no bus-fare, he would have to walk all the way home.

After Rev. Lee left at the end of the week, the congregation, which had tasted so deeply of the Holy Spirit, craved more. But there was no other minister who could bring such a high spiritual atmosphere, so naturally the members longed for him. The other ministers in town became jealous of Rev. Lee and started denouncing him. Soon, ministers of Methodist and Presbyterian churches all over Korea came to charge him with causing division within their churches. Eventually he was condemned as a heretic, stoned and beaten, and forbidden to preach. He died a year later, at the age of 33, of tuberculosis.

Today, ironically, more than 50 years after his death, Rev. Lee is held in high regard throughout Korea as an authentic messenger of God. Rev. Lee left with me a lasting image of a true disciple and messenger of Christ. I have cherished my brief experience with him to the present day.” LINK

Among Christians in Korea there is still considerable debate about Rev. Yong-do Lee. Some see him as a precursor to many Korean cults, including the Unification Church.

“Yong-do Lee’s self-identification with Jesus himself” by Pak

“Yong-Do Lee’s idea of an interchanging spirit-body, which brought forth mixed-adultery…”

Young Oon Kim was an enabler for Moon’s pikareum sex with her Ewha University students

Eu Shin-hee 劉信姫 – What happened to her?

Oh Yeong-choon 呉永春 – What happened to her?

Park Cheong-sook 朴貞淑 – What happened to her?

Ok Se-hyun 玉世賢 – What happened to her?

Choi Sun-kil 催先吉, Moon’s first wife – What happened to her?