#and i'm p. sure i wrote enough fic with them having a firstborn girl to make it clear who i think they'd name her after

[janiedean]

Oooh what issue do you have with naming J/B babies after Joanna if you wanna talk about it?

I mean... my issue is basically that it goes hand in hand with some more joanna fandom idolization which is not just in jb fandom it's everywhere which I'm extremely skeptical about, specifically:

jaime barely even remembers her and the one time he dreamed about her... she was sad? I mean honestly it doesn't seem to me like they had the most special bond in existence

everyone in fandom has this... idealized idea of joanna like 'oh tywin was an ass but she made him a decent guy so she had to be some kind of perfect angel' and I mean... tywin ruled westeros but joanna ruled him in private or however that sentence was doesn't suggest that to me, it suggests to me that she actually could handle him

and like......... to handle tywin lannister you have to be somewhat at last half as ruthless as he was so I honestly have trouble imagining her as some sweet lovely woman who'd have been a great mother to all of her children

also like... she separated jc when they were six and how if you're paying attention to your children you don't realize wtf they were doing and need the maid to find out about them? okay fine you're a high lady and blah blah blah but then it means those kids were left to each other or to someone watching them half of the time and that you didn't spend much time with them so.... again why would you name your daughter after a mother that was no great influence to you directly before she died?

also there's this whole take of 'if she hadn't died then tyrion would have been treated well and tywin wouldn't have hated him' which.... I mean guys westeros is an extremely ableist society and while I'm sure that tywin would have been less of an abusive arse to tyrion hadn't his wife died birthing him since she was apparently the only human being he ever gaf about (certainly not his kids) I'm really not sure that it'd have meant happy healthy family dynamics because no one says joanna would have been happy with having a disabled child and like sorry but when jc were experimenting at six it just screams unhealthy family dynamic and while I'm obv not arguing that she was as bad as tywin... like compare how the stark children that we have a pov of think about ned and cat who weren't perfect parents but certainly loved their children vs how c. and jaime think about tywin and joanna or tyrion thinks about tywin because there's like an abyss - c. might not be a surprise but j. doesn't think about joanna the way idk sansa or arya or bran think about catelyn ever so like while I don't think she was a shit mother or an abusive one I don't think she was a great one either and I see absolutely no reason why jaime would want to name his kid after her like sorry but it would make a lot more sense if he named her genna since it seems like she was more around in his life than joanna was from the way they interacted in affc;

and for that matter bringing up someone unrelated but who also had her mom kiiind of taken away from her young tho she's not dead... compare how asha thinks about alannys pre-war in affc to how jaime or c. think about joanna and do the math like asha obv admired her/loved her/had a rship with her, those two? meh, and okay asha was like a teenager when the rebellion happened so she had more time with her but still it's not that much given the circumstances so :/

tldr: I don't think joanna did anything either way to deserve a female jb firstborn named after her, idt jaime has any particular reason to name a kid after her and honestly I don't see why he'd do that, idt joanna is like a paragon of motherly virtue on account of 'we can deduce she wasn't an arse like her husband' and for that matter anyone who's in love with tywin for real can't be a saint (sorry this is not a tywin friendly blog here) and I don't believe in ppl naming their kids after their parents out of duty unless that parent did their job right/did well by them and I don't see jaime wanting to go there anytime soon because I don't see any text telling me they had the kinda relationship that means you name your kids after your parents *shrug*

obv this is just my two cents and I'm certainly not gonna tell ppl HEY YOU CAN'T NAME JB BABIES AFTER WHOEVER YOU WANT but... i don't see why joanna would be their #1 choice *shrug again* I can buy it if it's like... the second or third girl and at that point fine but a firstborn or the first girl they have? not really