#and you can be a fan without knowing every peice of lore

[fashion-foxy]

The MH/EAH Deep Dive Formula

Only talk about webisodes, specials, and dolls.

Don't talk about any lore

Wildly speculate on why the reboot happened

Don't acknowledge websites, games, or books

Still find the time to talk about descendants or the dolls 'dressing like strippers'

[asagimeta]

Some (probably) unpopular opinions:

1. There is a very large part of this crossover that's going to get retconned and if I had to guess I'd say Oliver's death and the destruction of multiple earths would be part of it- particularly Supergirl's, it'd be nice to merge Earth 38 into Earth 1, ofcourse, and that would make future crossovers infinitely easier (plus allowing for smaller cameos like they've done in the past) but Supergirl's structure isn't going to fit well on Earth 1 unless it really is a MERGE and not a DESTRUCTION (IE: no Catco, no DEO, no L Corp, no Fortress Of Solitude, no alien threats, no Cadmus or Lex... basically every set and peice of lore ever used on Supergirl has to go right out the window, Supergirl as a show would have to start from scratch in the middle of the season and that just isn't financially or storytelling wise possible)

2. Going with that, I'm not saying Oliver won't die, I'm saying this won't be HOW he dies, it just isn't emotional enough, plus to only get him in hour one is very anti-climactic- and remember, "This wasn't how I saw it" means that there's a chance for it to change

3. As much as I appreciate Lena saving three billion people, I'm so tired of how she's acting lately, I want this version of Lena to s.t.o.p., I know she's hurting but she used every opportunity she could in this episode to remind Alex that she not only was no longer her freind but also to throw things in her face and make salty comments about how Alex just assumes she's evil because Alex wasn't sure if Lena would be willing to work with her, considering, you know, that she tried to use MYRIAD last episode... I also feel like in general the salt thrown at everyone is beyond too much, it wasn't anyone's place but Kara's to tell Lena her secret, wouldn't it have been a MUCH bigger betrayal to Kara to go behind her back and tell Lena KARA'S secret? Or does Lena just feel like she's the only person anyone should ever be loyal to? I mean I understand on an emotional level how much pain she's in but Lena is a very logical person too and she's acting like they all had the same amount of hold in this situation... I still feel sore about how she's acting with Kara too, but atleast Kara was making the choice, people like Alex and Nia had their hands tied

4. I am in a desperate need of Kate and Lena interacting, I need someone to A. Stick up for Kara (wich Kate absolutely would) and B. Challenge Lena without minding the backlash, Alex has been tiptoeing around things because she cares so much about Lena and that's some A+ charectorization but Lena needs someone to step right on her toes and express KARA'S point of veiw in a very blunt "I don't care what you think about me, I'm about to hit you right between the eyes with this, don't @ me" type of way and that's 100000% Kate Kane

5. I actually am kind of glad Argo is gone, it's sad yes, but it was necessary, I think, to keep the lore tighter, as we saw last season, with a place to call home, Kara and Clark CAN leave for a break or even leave permenately, there would always be that safety net there for them if they felt- for whatever reason- like they should leave, Kara in particular having her mom there, I feel like there could have been opportunities where, if they left it too long, there'd be a question in the future of "Why doesn't she go back to Argo?" or "Why not get help/advice from her mom?" and that sense of loneliness is a big part of the Super lore, I hate it as a Kara fan because it hurts her but as a fan of the lore I feel it's better this way

[asagimeta]

I'm of mixed feelings about the teen wolf spin-off/reboot mtv greenlit, because while I would LOVE to see more of that world, I don't know if it will be worth sticking to if it maintains the meta-heavy storytelling that tw does (since Davis will ALSO be showrunning it). I really like meta, but I don't want to have to perform tons of analysis on subtext that rarely becomes text to make anything make sense in-show.

Well, firstly, unless something new came up today, they haven’t greenlit anything (Sadly)

News medias got ahold of something and ran with it just like they ran with “OMG DYLAN O'BRIEN LEFT TEEN WOLF!!!!” back in 6A because of Dylan’s injuery- remember those “glorious” days where literally every aritcle about Teen Wolf mentioned some panic-inducing nonsense about how Dylan wasn’t going to be around because of his injuery? And the worse ones claimed it was because he hated the show, but I digress

Here’s what we know about Teen Wolf plans beyond season six- for *SURE*

-A podcast is the most likely thing on the table right now as Jeff is in support of and excited about it, this would follow the charectors we already have

-The new head of MTV still owns the rights to Teen Wolf and wants to do “something” with it in the future because he believes it’s profitable

-IF something happens it will *NOT. BE. A REBOOT.* because people are misusing that word, we would not have a new Scott & Stiles or what have you, we’d follow a *different* set of charectors in the same universe that our current charectors live in, taking place a few years after season six

-If they did do a spinoff it would be an anthology format, tenish episode seasons all taking place with a different cast in a different place like American Horror Story (but, you know, with a different cast) and some current charectors could make a guest spot or be mentioned here or there- it would be an expanded universe, like the MCU or Universal’s Dark Universe, all dealing with the same mythology and world but with a different set of charectors

-Jeff is reluctant about the anthology because he’s so attached to the current cast, but he isn’t *against* it

-Tyler Posey has mentioned wanting to come back “as a father figure” should a spinoff happen

Now with all of that being said, I’ll address your actual comment :)

I, personally, would jump through every hoop imaginable to get EXACTLY the spinoff they talked about- an expanded universe anthology- because I LOVE those, and I love the mythology of Teen Wolf, and I love the meta, so I would be ok with saying goodbye to the charectors- who can live on in fandom- and still get my yearly dose of TW-universe, but I do understand the hesitation

If a spinoff like this does happen, I, personally, believe it will be a very meta heavy show, because people won’t really be watching for the charectors the way alot of the fans have, they’ll be watching for the universe- end of story, and the universe … honestly isn’t very special without the meta, if you drain the meta out, you’re left with a town of werewolves and sometimes other supernatural creatures getting into wars with other supernatural creatures and sometimes hunters, wich is fine on it’s own, that’s kind of like what The Vampire  Diaries was and you see how well that show went, but I don’t think it’d be enough for them to hang their hats on and make a new show out of

Expanded universes have to rely on one of two things to do well:

A. Good charectors

or

B. A  good universe, a UNIQUE universe

Things like the MCU and the DCEU and the Dark Universe fit into category A- no one really criticizes not knowing Groot’s origins because people love him so much, people are excited for the Dark Universe before it’s even gotten off the ground because they love charectors like Dracula and the Wolfman so much, and people are still willing to keep trying the DCEU because charectors like Wonder Woman are in it, so things that are wrong with the universe or lore are forgiven because of these charectors

But things like American Horror Story thrive on category B- because AHS doesn’t often reuse charectors, so much of the fan stuff isn’t really about the charectors- wich are more often than not sacrificial lambs- it’s about the  UNIVERSE, it’s about peicing together the lore of vampires and how witches being “outed” affects the lore and about how Roanoke will impact Cult, etc etc, and that’s exactly what Teen Wolf is going to have to do if they have an anthology series, because the beloved charectors aren’t really going to be there anymore outside of (MAYBE) throw-away lines and a POSSIBLE guest appearance here or there, they’ll have to use their second strongest quality- the universe- to make it work

And the Teen Wolf universe has alooooooot of meta, to make a “season seven” let’s say, and keep it strictly to “Werewolf teen battles hunters to save their town and love interest”, most fans just wouldn’t be there, and even if they were, it’d be really hard to make a Teen Wolf true to the universe and not allow for meta-related lore, that would, for one thing, leave Teen Wolf with pretty much only werewolves and, at that, really only leave them with the possibility to have a recycled season one where some random teenager gets bitten in the woods by a rogue Alpha, because if they were to delve into a born werewolf’s storyline you’d get alot of mythology about born wolves that we just don’t have, if you get a teenager who intentionally gets themselves turned by an Alpha that opens the door for cultural mythology (in the way of werewolf culture, how do Alphas find good candidates to turn, what makes them decide the risk is worth it, how are they integrated into packs, etc) and all of that would bring meta with it just as consequence

Ofcourse this doesn’t mean that they’d keep things like alternate universes around and going, so what meta they have in a potential spinoff could be the easier kind, the “If born wolves are raised like this then does that mean Derek was raised like that” sort of thing or the “So vampires exist, how does that work?” sort of thing, but I tend to believe that if Jeff stays showrunner, he’ll continue to go heavy on meta as much as he can

I really can’t put into words how desperately I want an expanded universe anthology series, even if we never see or even HEAR about anyone from seasons 1-6 ever again, having that info to work with, seeing it play out, watching this mastery of lore and horror before my eyes, would be MORE than enough for me

(Hell, even without meta I"d STILL watch it because I have an unhealthy obsession with werewolves)

I really do hope we get it, I want this more than I’ve ever wanted any TV show to be honest