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rosewaterandivy · 5 months
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cf & dd timeline
This will not reflect every single aspect of the gilded age (1870s to 1890s) but it will include various points of historical and technological interest in addition to Nell and Steve’s personal histories. As such, spoilers will be included and updated with each chapter; so if you’d rather not deal with that, please avoid this!
Note: Italics denote events of the plot, & updates will occur after chapters are published. This is work in progress so more dates and details will be added as I think of them. Historical dates and information was provided by the National Humanities Center and my own research.
1858 - June: Samuel and Ameila Harrington welcome the birth of their son and heir, Steven.
November: Arthur and Delphine Fairchild welcome the birth of their daughter, Eleanor. (Occurs before the story starts, not depicted.)
1865 - Lincoln Inauguration, Civil War Ends, Lincoln Assassination, Ratification of the 13th Amendment
1866 - the National Labor Union was founded on August 20, First successful transatlantic cable is completed (England to the United States).
1868 - June 25: Congress enacts an 8-hour workday for workers employed by the government, July: Ratification of the 14th Amendment.
1869 - January: Grant Inauguration, Commanche Chief Toch-a-way informs Gen. Philip H. Sheridan that he is a "good Indian," Sheridan reportedly replied: "The only good Indian is a dead Indian."
May: First Transcontinental Railroad completed when Union Pacific and Central Pacific lines met in Utah solidified by a golden railroad spike to link the railroads.
September 24: First “Black Friday” stock market panic due to financier’s attempt to corner the market on gold.
1870 - February: Hiram R. Revels of Mississippi becomes the first African American to serve in the US Senate. Joseph H. Rainey of South Carolina becomes the first Black Representative, J.D. Rockefeller establishes Standard Oil of Ohio.
March: 15th Amendment is Ratified
1871 - P.T. Barnum opens his three-ring circus, hailing it as the "Greatest Show on Earth,"
March: Indian Appropriations Act - Congress declares that Indian tribes will no longer be treated as independent nations with whom the government must conduct negotiations; Native Americans legally become wards of the nation.
October 8: The Great Chicago Fire claims 250 lives and destroys 17,500 buildings.
1872 - Montgomery Ward & Co., the first mail-order business, opens in Chicago.
Nov. 5: Susan B. Anthony and other women's suffrage advocates are arrested for attempting to vote in Rochester, N.Y.
1873 - Grant’s second inauguration, The first electric streetcar begins operation in New York City; Free mail delivery begins in all cities above 20,000 population; Mark Twain and C. D. Warner publish the novel The Gilded Age.
Mar. 3: The Comstock Act prohibits the mailing of obscene literature.
Sept. 18: The Financial Panic of 1873 begins. 5,183 business fail; Congress makes gold the national standard and eliminates all silver currency.
Period of recurring epidemics beginning in 1865 comes to an end. From Boston to New Orleans, epidemics of smallpox, cholera, typhus, typhoid, scarlet fever, and yellow fever had killed thousands.
1875 - Steven begins his studies at Harvard; Nell begins hers at Vassar; Christopher, her older brother begins his final year at Harvard. (Occurs before the story starts, not depicted.)
1876 - Centennial Exposition opens in Philadelphia, celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.
Feb. 14: 29-year-old Alexander Graham Bell patents the telephone.
May: The nation celebrates its centennial by opening an International Exhibition in Philadelphia.
Christopher graduates from Harvard and goes on his Grand Tour. (Occurs before the story starts, not depicted.)
June 25: Battle of the Little Big Horn - George A. Custer and 265 officers and enlisted men are killed by Sioux Indians led by Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse at the Little Horn River in Montana.
1877 - Hayes Inauguration, Reconstruction ends with the withdrawal of federal troops in the south, Great Railroad Strike: After West Virginia railroad workers strike to protest wage reductions, sympathy strikes and violence spread across the Midwest. Federal troops break the strikes.
June to Oct.: Nez Percé Indians, led by Chief Joseph, surrender after a 1600-mile trek retreating from U.S. troops through the U.S. northwest. They are sent to a reservation in Indian Territory (Oklahoma).
Thomas Edison patents the phonograph.
Christopher Fairchild weds Marian Hudson. (Occurs before the story starts, not depicted.)
1878 - German engineer Karl Benz produces the first automobile powered by an internal combustion engine; Thomas Edison patents the photograph.
Jan. 10: The Senate defeats a woman's suffrage amendment 34-16.
Steve graduates from Harvard University. (Occurs before the story starts, not depicted.)
1879 - The Carlisle School (Pa.) is opened “Americanize” Indian children.
Feb. 15: Congress grants woman attorneys the right to argue cases before the Supreme Court.
Oct. 21: Edison invents the first practical light bulb.
Steve travels Europe on his Grand Tour; Nell returns to France upon news of her parent’s ill health. (Occurs before the story starts, not depicted.)
1881 - Helen Hunt Jackson's Century of Dishonor recounts the government's unjust treatment of Native Americans.
January: Christopher and Marian Fairchild welcome the birth of their son and heir, August.
May: Steven returns to New York from the Continent; begins working with his father at their various real estate holdings. (Occurs before the story starts, not depicted.)
July 2: President James Garfield is shot by Charles Guiteau, a disgruntled office-seeker. He died on Sept. 19.
July 4: Booker T. Washington opens Tuskegee Institute.
July 19: Sitting Bull and other Sioux Indians return to the United States from Canada.
September: Arthur and Delphine Fairchild pass away after battling tuberculosis; Christopher takes over the family holdings and arranges for his sister to travel back to New York from France; Marian begins paying calls to the Four Hundred and laying the groundwork for Eleanor’s societal debut. (Occurs before the story starts, not depicted but mentioned.)
1882 - Attorney Samuel Dodd devises the trust, under which stockholders turn over control of previously independent companies to a board of trustees; Standard Oil Trust, the first trust, is formed by John D. Rockefeller.
May 6: Congress passes the Chinese Exclusion Act, barring Chinese Chinese immigration for ten years.
December: Eleanor arrives in New York from France entering her half-mourning period and Steven has one-sided meet cute; news the arrival spreads quickly; her debutante ball to be held at the Fairchild manse on 5th Avenue is the talk of the town. (Chapter I. Coup de foudre - story begins here.)
1883 -
January: Mrs. Astor’s annual ball, the most anticipated event of the season, is held; Nell and Steve both receive invitations.
March 26: Mrs. Vanderbilt, feeling snubbed by The Four Hundred, throws her famous masquerade ball, commemorating the completion of her new Fifth Avenue mansion, Petit Château; Nell and Steve are once again invited to the masquerade, but Nell is warned by Marian to keep her distance from Mr. Harrington; each invite has instructions to dress as their assigned characters. (Chapter II. Traîner quelqu'un dans la boue)
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armsinthewronghands · 7 years
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Timeline of the Zak Wars
OP:
October 15th 2008 – Zak Starts His Blog, It's called 'Playing D&D With Porn Stars. You can see the opening post here;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/hi.html
Archive;
http://archive.is/i44G7
Act One.
The Long Build Up/The Sex Wars
Feb 2010 to Dec 2013
This probably has roots in forum arguments in the past but it enters the public record in February 2010 in the Canon Puncture Incident and proceeds through to the Desborough Rape Threat Accusations of December 2013.
This period is characterised by the relatively long periods between each incident and the fact that opponents and arguments don't always carry over or fold into the next incident. Alienation and anger build up slowly, are sometimes diffused, but don't go away.
Most are triggered by arguments over sex and responses to Zaks gaming group (mainly women, mainly models).
Canon Puncture Incident - Zak defends his group from condescending comments.·        
Hyung Tae Kim Incident - Zak argues about the validity of sex in art.·       
The Maxim Article - Zak defends his group again, from accusations that their public profile is bad for gaming.·       
 The Carcosa Thread - This starts off about sexual violence in the game in question.·       
 The Math Skills Fight - Zak defends his player, is accused of misogyny.·       
 The Numenera Succubus Incident - Again, triggered by the presence of sexual materials in the game.·       
 The James Desborough Rape Threat Accusation - Desborough angers many of the same people with his arguments about the validity of rape in games, is then accused of making rape threats.
The tl;dr for all of this:
Zak S is beyond the shadow of a doubt the target of a long-running smear/harassment campaign from conservative gamers that’s been really successful because it plays on the fears of would-be progressive ones.
The campaign against him is mostly from “goons” (their own nickname for themselves) from the troll site Something Awful and from disgruntled members of the semi-allied “storygame” community who have issues with sexuality in games.
This is especially strange because Zak is an outspoken advocate of pretty much every progressive political position, his game group is mostly queer women including trans women, the company he most often works with--LotFP--has the most diverse staff in RPGs and the RPG movement it’s part of--the OSR--is the most diverse in independent RPGs. There are nerds--especially nerds who have a problem with sexuality--who have a problem with this.
Back to the OP:
February 2010 – The Canon Puncture Incident
The hosts of the Canon Puncture Podcast talk about Zaks game with his group. They say some things that Zak regards as condescending towards the girls in the group, Zak requests an apology and the hosts apologise. This gets spoken about on story-games.com and Zak comes in to describe the situation. You can read that thread here;
http://story-games.com/forums/discussion/11540/d-d-with-porn-stars-and-canon-puncture
Archive;
https://archive.is/13HKO
February 11
2011 – The Hyung Tae Kim Incident
Anna Kreider makes an argument against the art of Hyung Tae Kim, you can read it in full here;
https://donotlink.it/Q0Ek
Archive;
https://archive.is/zJBbm
Zak disagrees and the two of them get into it. Zak calls her a prude. Later, on March 10, 2015, Kreider posts her own chronology of her interactions with Zak, you can find it below.
I've been asked to point out that Zak wasn't invited into this thread, he just turned up, which is true, he hasn't been invited into any of these threads, but neither has anyone else? They are almost all public posts or they wouldn't be available to link here. This has been described as a scary incident to me.
Well, take a look for yourself.
December 2011 – The Maxim ArticleThe US magazine Maxim carries an article about Zak and his group. You can read the article itself here;
http://www.maxim.com/women/playing-dungeons-and-dragons-porn-stars
Archive;
https://archive.is/2cbyr
An argument breaks out over representation. Much of this happens on G+ and has subsequently been deleted. You can read a transcript of that (by Zak) here;
http://armsinthewronghands.tumblr.com/post/148473329613/filamena-young-attacks-the-dd-wporn-stars-girls
Archive;
https://archive.is/Iv58T
This was the best evidence I could find of the origins of an important disagreement that, like everything in this chronology, forms resentments and hatreds that pile on into the next thing. If anyone has any publicly available links describing or showing what happened then let me know.
February 2012 – 'Confessions of a Dungeon Master' thread on Storygames,This is an interesting argument over a game transcript from 1980 by John Eric Holmes.
http://story-games.com/forums/discussion/15862/history-of-gaming-confessions-of-a-dungeon-master/p1
This starts out as being between Luke Crane, creator of Burning Wheel and Zak, a lot of classic behaviours are exhibited here and, like a lot of times in this chronology it's based on very different perceptions of, and reactions to, a potentially sexual situation.
Zaks opinion of Luke Crane comes up again four years later in an April 2016 post below.
February 29
2012 – Zak Encounters Something Awful
Zak says that the enmity between him and the Something Awful forum dates from this contact. In his own words;
“The backstory on this is an enmity with Something Awful beginning with me attempting to talk to them about their extreme statements here, years after noticing they took Mandy to task for having extension cords on her wish list”
Link to his post is here;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/evil-mastermind-from-grognardstxt.html
Archive;
https://archive.is/X91ji
April 2012 – Zak Banned from Story-Games.com 
Zak starts a thread about the 2nd Edition of Geoffery McKinneys Carcosa book. An argument breaks out about Anna Krieder, you can read the thread here;
http://story-games.com/forums/discussion/16258
Archive;
https://archive.is/sHVHL
September 27 2012 – The Math Skills Fight on Somethingawful
Zak argues with the posters on the something awful forum about dice notation. During this, he is accused of misogyny in regards to one of his players. You can read about that here;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/apologizing-in-advance-for-this-hey.html
Archive;
https://archive.is/3OxeK
This adds to the enmity between Zak and Somethingawful which he has said is the engine behind the Tom Hatfield Failforward article in July 2014.
August 3rd 2013 – The Numenera Succubus Incident
Game Writer Monte Cook  releases his game Numenera. This game includes rules for a Science Fiction Succubus. This causes a massive scandal and argument (google “Numenera Succubus”) especially on RPG.NET where the thread runs for 561 posts;
https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?697888-Numenera-W-T-F-Monte
August 5th 2013 – Zak Banned from RPG.NET
The succubus thread is what finally gets Zak permanently banned from rpg.net. You can read the exact wording of the ban here;
https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?698051-Infraction-for-Zak-S-17)-Permanent-Ban
He's banned by Ettin / Paul Matijevic, which is a name you will see several more times in this chronology.
It's interesting at this point to take a look at the different viewpoints. Here is part of the argument for the ban;
"You serially derail sexism threads with bad-faith arguments. You insist that nobody can ever make generalizations about anything ever (even when they're not), then post generalizations. You pull out arguments that boil down to "words don't mean things" like that's ever been constructive outside the philosophy forum. You're passive-aggressive and occasionally condescending, you post anecdotes as facts, you tell people that things can't be sexist because you know ~females~ who would disagree. You're convinced that you're always right and refuse to consider otherwise, or at least that's the only explanation I can think of for why you keep making up strawmen to dismiss people who disagree with you (cf. the pass-agg "stop assuming all women are alike!" business, asserting that feminist game bloggers and others who disagree with you must be "conservative", every time you say "Tipper Gore" ever). You don't take anything that isn't agreement for an answer, and will argue in circles about it instead of making the positive contributions you could be until you get bored or someone makes you stop."
And here, from the ban itself, is the mods example of Zak doing this;
"Nobody does this research or even seems to ask for it. And they should.
That this idea is going to turn away more women than it brings in has no experimental evidence behind it.
That this idea is going to make folks' attitudes towards women worse has no experimental evidence behind it.
So if your only case against the trope is Monte is being accidentally sexist (via effect) it's pretty much accusing someone of sexism with no evidence.
The idea that this is even a sexist trope in Monte's hands is based on claims it will have a sexist effect. It requires them to be true. It doesn't seem fair or right to do that in absence of anybody trying to test it.
Me, here's who I can test: 2000 blog readers and G+ people. 4 figures of "I Hit It With My Axe" fans on Facebook. Mandy's fans which are like in the 5 figures. We ask what keeps women from gaming: The data we get has nothing to do with content and everything to do with a social environment of weird controlling nerd boys.
But, hey, that's a biased sample
Somebody do some research, rather than assuming all women are like the ones in your environment.
The closest thing we have in terms of experimental data on anything moving the needle of gaming concerning women is the advent of Vampire which proves:
Tim Truman illustrations of sexy vampires --male and female--attract female gamers, a lot of whom want to dress like them.
Folks who run conventions and publishing companies and forums should try to do a better job by publishers, designers and women by actually basing claims about what is and isn't bad for the community on testing stuff."
August 5th 2013 – Zaks 'open letter' to rpg.netIn response to this perma-ban, Zak posts an 'open letter to the managers of rpg.net pointing out the alleged sexism of the ads that run on the site n contrast to the moderators attitudes;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2013/08/open-letter-to-shannon-appelcline-and.html
Archive;
https://archive.is/sQpvo
If you look at the comments, waaay at the bottom you will see Shanna Germain, Monte Cook’s partner and co-creator talking about her reaction to the arguments made against her and the game.
This is also the first time I recall hearing the name Shannon Appelcline in this history. It will come up again in Febuary 2017. You will see that below.
December 16
th
2013 – The James Desborough Rape Threat Accusation
About 10 months prior to this Ben Lehman publicly accused James Desborough, RPG writer, of being "Someone who threatens their critics with rape". Several people +1 this post.
Desborough has been involved in culture-war arguments with this faction for some time and, in my opinion, persistently trolls them. The verbal violence between these groups is intense. Just google "james desborough in defence of rape" or any combination of those words to take a look at the shitstorm.
John Stavropoulus an RPG writer not aligned with Desborough’s faction or opinions, checks up on the claim that he threatened people with rape and finds no evidence to back them up.
Zak in his own words; “
The short of Jon's research is this accusation turned out to be bullshit even though 80some people +1ed it and it got shared all over the RPG internet.
Now Jon didn't name names, because he "doesn't want a witchhunt". Which is respectable. But I'm not Jon and I do think the RPG community as a whole deserves an apology from every single one of these people for confusing and distorting a very real and very serious issue of real violence that actually affects peoples' lives.”
He names names. Some people retract their +1’s, others do not. I’m not going to provide a link to that post but it is still up.
Zaks naming of names on this issue is used as evidence of harassment from this point on, in particular as evidence of him having a ‘list of enemies’.
Many of the people on this list appear elsewhere in this chronology, almost always as opponents of Zak I think. I can't really point out
who
because, like I said, its alleged to be an act of harassment or directing harassment towards those parties so if I repeat the same names then this chronology also becomes harassment.
December 17
2013 – Paul Ettin Recommends plussing the Rape Threat PostIn response to the above incident, Paul Ettin, RPG.NET moderator and Something Awful moderator recommends +1’ing the accusation against Desborough of making rape threats, he later also says he is fairly sure they aren’t true;
https://plus.google.com/115194116430466884350/posts/jefADpVt1rJ
Archive;
http://archive.is/mw3GC
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Act Two. The Summer of Hate
July 2014 to August 2014
As soon as it came out that Zak and Pundit were consultants on 5e, the attacks, accusations and counter-accusations come in thick and fast. This is a very short period of great intensity.
July 3rd 2014 – D&D 5e ReleasedThe new edition of D&D comes out and it is revealed that Zak and the RPGPundit are counted as consultants. This marks the beginning of Consultancygate.
July 4th
2014 – Ettin Admits Trolling This is from a chat log you can read here;
http://pastebin.com/nAzfnHbj
In lines 1174 10 1178 he admits that he does not think Desborough made rape threats but plussed the accusation anyway.
July 6th 2014 – Eric Haddock Asks For Evidence on G+ This is in a public thread so I hope he doesn't mind me putting it here;
https://plus.google.com/u/0/114899023370792587252/posts/c6aeERrjbAw
Archive;
http://archive.is/itg0y
This is relevant largely because of this quote from Sean Patrick Fannon (recently revealed to have been behind straightforwardly guilty of a large number of sexual harassment incidents) which gets a blog response from Zak later;
"The Internet is
screaming
with the harm caused, Zak; this very conversation wouldn't be happening if you'd not actively hurt and pissed off a great many people. You know this as well as I do. You've simply chosen to deafen yourself to it, demanding bullet point accounting that you can then dismiss or refute as you choose.
This is one of your tactics. You ask others to present evidence so you can play your lawyer roleplaying game. You have no actual interest in evaluating your actions or your impact. You are resolutely convinced you cannot possibly be wrong.
You are telling me what I need to know here. You don't acknowledge the harm you've caused, nor your capacity to cause it. Anyone who claims you've harmed them is Swine (or a liar, or worse). I am disinclined to spend any more time on this, since it is clear you've made your choice to stand on the treacherous ground of your own making.
As for being discredited... I think not. Your refusal to give even the slightest ground, to acknowledge even the minimal amount of flaw or fault, delineates your narcissistic arrogance in clear, bold colors.
There was an opportunity here, Zak. You pissed it away. You've discredited yourself, sir.
My credit will remain intact, thanks."
July 7th 2014 – My Defence of Zak As the abuse of Zak intensifies I write this post about him in defence;
http://falsemachine.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/zak-smith-is-not-homophobe.html
Archive;
https://archive.is/b73Rc
July 7
th
2014 – The Pigfucker Post
A few hours after I post my defence of Zak, I wake up to find this article in which he lays out his own (by my standards, highly aggressive) policy on internet arguments, and also accuses someone of (metaphorically) fucking a pig;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/why-pigfuckers-fuck-pigs-and-people.html
Archive;
https://archive.is/9J0Ls
July 9th 2014 – The “The Internet is Screaming” Post This is really interesting. It kicks off with the quote from Sean Patrick Fannon above, then leads into an (I think we would have to say alleged) message from Zeea, who I think I recall from the rpg.net threads about Zak. I will include a little bit here;
So, I've spent a few hours doing as much research as I can, and I've talked to folks some more.
I'm not going to equivocate. People made accusations against you without proof, the accusations got amplified and distorted and repeated through the Telephone Game effect, and I bought into it when I shouldn't have.
................
I don't think anyone I talked to privately is intentionally lying about this. I think they believe it. But perceptions color memories, as does hearing the same event discussed by multiple people, and some of things look a bit stretched by this point. I can't base an opinion on stretchy-looking facts."
The whole thing is quite interesting and you can find it here;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/the-internet-is-screaming.html
Archive;
https://archive.is/eXjOV
BUT
Zeea then (according to this post) retracts their statement based on the 'outing' controversy of July 26th (see below). She does not present new evidence, however.
July 2014 – The Olivia Hill Death Threats I think it’s about this time that Olivia Hill, game designer, claims that she has received death threats, including the names of her children’s teachers and phone calls to her address. These claims go on to become a major part of the case against Zak.
The only publicly available link I could find in which Olivia Hill repeats them is here in post 49 of this forum thread;
http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/general/off-topic/1050412-white-wolf-hires-zak-smith-im-out/page4
Archive;
https://archive.is/WjTp4
July 19th
2014 – The Scrap Princess Defence 
Scrap Princess, who is trans and who is a co-creator with me of numerous projects (one of several trans creators directly linked to Zak) makes a public statement about the accusations (which is blissfully short.) here;
http://monstermanualsewnfrompants.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/just-for-record.html
Archive;
https://archive.is/jzaJG
July 21
st
2014 – Fred Hicks Weighs In Fred Hicks of Evil Hat productions makes a public G+ post in which he seems to support the allegations against Zak and apologises for not doing so earlier;
https://plus.google.com/+FredHicks/posts/SJHZ8Jc5SoW
Archive;
https://archive.is/KY554
July 26
th  
2014 – The ‘Outing’ Incident 
This is where Mandy, Zaks girlfriend talks about some of the trolls attacking her and Zak and uses a variety of openly available aliases for someone who later turned out to be trans. You can read the post here;
http://mandymorbid.tumblr.com/post/92910013775/more-reasons-people-found-to-hate-me
Archive;
https://archive.is/YyJyx
Like every archive in the chronology this link is only frozen from the point of this blog post.
Going forward, this incident forms one of the core pieces of evidence against Zak in future arguments. If you read someone saying that he outs trans people as a form of retaliation or revenge it is probably referring to this incident.
The case for the defence is that Zak and Mandy had argued with this person many times, knowing them only by non-gendered internet handles,and had no idea what gender they were, or that the handles referred to identities with different genders, when the two names were linked.
Zak in his own words;
“The person was not revealed to be trans until Wordmercenary/Tom Hatfield said she was. It was not public knowledge so how could Mandy or I have known?”
July 31st, 2014 – The Failforward Article This article is where the real bomb goes off. From this point on the situation massively intensifies. The article is shared by a very large range of people and is cited in nearly every major attack on Zak from this point on.
https://donotlink.it/VY0M
Archive;
https://archive.is/pi55s
You can read the clearest and most detailed debunking here;
https://www.seebs.net/log/articles/791/consultancygate-an-overview
Archive;
https://archive.is/pYOA8
July 31st, 2014 – The First Dongion Accusation
The Dongion is a blog posting sarcastic commentary about the RPG community. Zak has always claimed that he was not the writer of the Dongion but has said that he 'takes responsibility' for it based on the fact that it is in his blogroll along with many other blogs.
This tumblr reblog of the failforward article is the earliest I have been able to find that links the Dongion blog to Zak. It also links the Dongion to the Outing Incident.
https://donotlink.it/Wp95
August 2014 – “Get at him” Screencap
In August of 2014, in response to the spread of the Failforward article, Zak posts this. It is used in many subsequent attacks on him as evidence of his harassment campaign;
From the image; “hit him up? Correct him? Eat him?”
Zak – “get on twitter. tweet at him, ask questions, give links.I have a girlfriend in the hospital and 111 trolls to deal with please just either help or don’t but pls no silly nerd questions.”
Complete public text of the post (provided by Zak) here;
http://armsinthewronghands.tumblr.com/post/157572020868/complete-text-of-the-get-at-him-post
Archive;
https://archive.is/AUorP
August 2014 – “Destroy” Screencap
A few days later, in response to another article, Zak says this;
It should be noted that the link is aimed at a Metafilter thread and that you can go and look at this thread here, if you want to see if it was, in fact, destroyed:
http://www.metafilter.com/141806/Gender-inclusive-language-in-DandD-5e-raises-roleplaying-questions
Archive;
https://archive.is/iXics
Here (from Zak) is the full text of the post;
http://armsinthewronghands.tumblr.com/post/157572086858/complete-text-of-the-destroy-post
Archive;
https://archive.is/OLIFc
August 2014 – Zaks Response To The Failforward Article
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-dungeons-and-dragons-is-totally-not.html
Archive;
https://archive.is/ZKdRP
In his own words; “it debunks, with evidence, every single claim made up until that point in every single venue”
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Act Three; The Small Wars
January 2015 to August 2016
This is a series of spot fires or low-level conflicts based around particular incidents. During this period we get mutual counter-accusations, the Ennies walkout and the Magpie Games Incident. So far as I know the accusations against Zak don't widen in scope or intensify, but no-ones position changes. This is something like a 'Cold War' period.
Inexact Date but probably Jan 2015 – The Ettin Dongion Accusation
Ettin, the rpg.net mod, accuses Zak of running the Dongion, which he calls a harassment blog and which you can find on his tumblr;
https://donotlink.it/m0RJ
Archive;
https://archive.is/pyQ7J
A link to the blog is here;
http://thedongion.blogspot.co.uk/
January 1st 2015 – Mandys Chainmail Bikini Feminist Defence Zaks girlfriend Mandy makes a long post on her tumblr giving screencaps of various kinds of abuse she has received-- including rape threats--and talks in detail about the alleged outing of a trans person. You can read it here;
http://mandymorbid.tumblr.com/post/106857162470/im-a-chainmail-bikini-feminist-and-im-fucking
Archive;
http://archive.is/w8Wvr
March 10th
2015 – Anna Krieder Posts Her History With Zak 
Anna Krieder makes this post;
https://donotlink.it/gGQo
Which is a chronology of her interactions with Zak from her perspective, so now you have a chronology in your chronology.
It's quite interesting and I recommend going through it if you have the time and if you want to see the whole fucking cavalcade through the eyes of someone on the opposite side. It's almost like the mirror/antiverse version of this post with many of the same events from an entirely different perspective.
Amongst other things it locates their first contact in January 2011 and the the opening of hostilities to the storygames thread in April 2012, not the Hyung Tae Kim Incident in February 2011 as I have above.
Unlike Zak, Kreider never defines harassment or tells her followers not to do whatever that would be to Zak.
March 13th, 2015 – The Sampat Mob Assault Accusation
A brief moment of levity here to give everyone a break. Elizabeth Sampat accuses Zak of riling up a “mob to the point that I was assaulted in front of witnesses.” The “mob” consisted of two women: Karolyn Gehrig, disabled activist, and Charlotte Stokely, adult film actress
Elizabeth SampatVerified account‏@twoscooters
 FollowMore I RTed a blog post about how Zak has pushed women out of the industry. Zak riled up mobs to the point I was assaulted in front of witnesses
Elizabeth SampatVerified account‏@twoscooters
· 13 Mar 2015
More I'm sure rational minds can discern which one of us is an abuser. And that's the last I'm going to say.
karolyn ⚔️gehrigVerified account‏@karolynprg · 13 Mar 2015 More Saying"this isn't a great time, but I really don't like what you're saying about my friends Zak & Mandy online" is not assault.@twoscooters2 replies1 retweet1 likeReply  2 Retweet  1 Like  1
Elizabeth SampatVerified account‏@twoscooters · 13 Mar 2015 More @karolynprg Wait, were you the one who dumped the drink on me, or was it your friend?1 reply0 retweets0 likesReply  1 Retweet   Like  
karolyn ⚔️gehrigVerified account‏@karolynprg · 13 Mar 2015 More @twoscooters nobody dumped a drink on you. A glass of water spilled a full 6 feet away & more spilled on her than you.
https://twitter.com/twoscooters/status/576553462562840576
Archive;
http://archive.is/zFIHj
This is Karolyn Gehrig, disabled activist
https://twitter.com/karolynprg
The other accused member of the mob was Charlotte Stokely. Adult film actress
https://twitter.com/char_stokely
August 2015 – Red and Pleasant Land Wins At The Ennies
Zaks book Red and Pleasant Land wins multiple awards at the Ennies. Stacy Dellorfano of Contessa, the feminist game organisation gives a speech to accept the award in his absence and a few people walk out in protest.
Having adopted a conscious policy that trying to profit of of being harassed was more efficient than trying to sue an entire internet subculture, on August 1st Zak documents the twitter response to his win here;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/the-reaping-of-tears.html
Archive;
http://archive.is/l687z
August 4th, Kiel Chenier talks about that incident and about the abuse he got for supporting Zak here;
http://dungeonsdonuts.tumblr.com/post/125851772599/i-am-so-very-tiredtired-and-angry
Archive;
http://archive.is/wbYjp
October 20th 2015 – Zak Mocks Olivia Hills Views on Star Wars
In this post, Zak persistently mocks and argues against Olivia Hills views on the Star Wars franchise.
This has been described (in the comments below) as "a blatant attack on Olivia Hill, using screenshots of social media accounts that Hill has said she blocked Zak from."
http://archive.is/20151021233535/dndwithpornstars.blogspot.de/2015/10/the-fetid-shit-stink-of-right-wing.html?zx=ab04705888fd97b7
Zak's defence, from the comments;
"I am blocked from Olivia’s social media, it is still public information available to anyone not logged in.
Criticism is not harassment. Olivia Hills Star wars problem is she hadn't seen it whens he made his years worth of irrational accusations about it."
Both sides get deep into it in the comments of this post if you want to read more.
April 11th 2016 – "Why There's No Tabletop RPG Theory
In this post by Zak he goes further into his numerous and deep disagreements with the Storygames community.
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/why-theres-no-tabletop-rpg-theory.html
Archive;
http://archive.is/lEwEr
I was asked to bring this in becasue people think Luke Crane is misrepresented in this post, and in particular becasue of the request for people to contact Lukes friends which apparently people did try to do. Luke is directly quoted in the post.
It has stuff on Luke (half way down), Cam Banks, Ettin and a few other people. You can read one of the interactions with Luke Crane in a storygame thread entry for 2012 above.
August 26th
2016 – Zak Calls His Critics Psychotics
Also knuckle-draggers, edition-warriors and sociopaths. This is claimed to be an act of harassment by some (see the comments to this post). If you’ve read this far you know that simple namecalling has been done a lot by many parties on both sides. You can read it here;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/3-dozen-psychotics-agree-go-buy-vornheim.html
Archive;
http://archive.is/IyQzs
July 26
th
2016 – The Magpie Games Incident
Mark Diaz Truman, one of the heads of Magpie Games and one of the few storygamers of color, a storygames publisher, writes an article about aspects of his gaming circles that trouble him. You can read it here;
http://www.magpiegames.com/2016/07/26/two-minutes-hate/
Archive;
http://archive.is/CDQkA
He is accused of defending Zak and therefore aiding a harasser. All the usual people arrive to do all the usual things.
Peoples responses and attitudes to this article become another form of contention which is carried forwards into future arguments. I mean, come on, if you've read this far you know how it works by now.
July 28th
2016 – The Invisible James Raggi Accusations
In this public thread by Mark Diaz Truman;
https://plus.google.com/+MarkDiazTruman/posts/2aRBa37wEtf
Someone accuses James Raggi, one of Zak’s publishers, of.. something? Then deletes the accusation. You can still see the replies to the ghost accusation but not the thing itself.
July 28th
2016 – Zak Talks About Mental Illness in the RPG Community
In this post Zak, without mentioning anyone specific, talks about how to talk to mentally ill people;
http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/mental-illness-in-rpg-community.html
Archive;
http://archive.is/6S1d0
Despite having no names attached nor any claim anyone has disputed, this has been described, (in the comments below) as "an accusation that his critics fabricate and distort facts due to being mentally ill. I would argue this is a clear attack, and in the context of the previous posts can be understood as continued harrasment "
August 4th, 2016 – Zak on Anna Krieder
You've seen Anna Krieders chronology from March 10th 2015, now you get to read Zaks, equally long, response to that. And yes all of this is slowly killing me
http://armsinthewronghands.tumblr.com/post/148469806573/anna-kreider-wundergeek
Archive;
http://archive.is/CNj7B
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Act Four; We Eat Blood
Feb 2017 - Ongoing
Zak brings out a collaboration with White Wolf and all the old accusations are resurrected and combined with new ones.
February 17th 2017 - 'We Eat Blood' Begins
White Wolf announce that they have produced an interactive text game with Zak. Their announcement is here;
https://blog.white-wolf.com/2017/02/17/a-howl-for-our-bloody-writer-artists/
Archive;
https://archive.is/WGOMv
February 19th 2017 - The We Eat Blood rpg.net megathread
On discovering the news that Zak is working with White Wolf, outrage begins immediately. Numerous threads are started, the primary one on RPG.NET ;
https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?798635-necro-Whitewolf-Hires-Zak-Sabbath-and-Denies-Harassment
(I was banned from this thread).
The main charges against Zak are;
·        That he is a known harasser of transwomen, gays, minorities etc.·        That he used a false name on Reddit, impersonating Shannon Applecline, the owner of RPG.NET.·        That he named one of the characters in the game, Avery, after one of his enemies.
'Known Harasser'
See everything in the above thread as evidence used by various parties.
The SAppelcline Situation
I remembered seeing the SAppelcline identity on Reddit multiple times, very often after a thread was pointed out by Zak on G+.
If you can't see these well, they are from here;
https://donotlink.it/QZ7E
I was bothered enough by this that I contacted Zak directly about it.
He gave me a response with enough detail to persuade me that it was likely true:
A fellow gamer in Los Angeles (who does not want to be harassed and so does not want their name mentioned) had a reddit account long before I did.
They posted totally mundane game opinions there. They did not use their account to talk up my work as has been claimed, nor did they ever claim to be Shannon Appelcline or post in a way that could remotely be mistaken for Shannon. These things are recorded, you don't have to trust me.
Why did they pick that screen name? Well, since Shannon Appelcline was responsible for so much of the harassment I and the rest of my game group experienced over the years, when they were picking a name I was like "SAppelcline" and they were like "Ha! Yeah!" the way you might name your dog Nixon. Lots of people have screen names like "illary Clinton" etc. It was a joke at my harassers expense, but not an attempt at impersonation.
Once in a while I'd be like "Are you on Reddit? Can you ask about...." something. Until I got eventually my own account.
The night my video game came out, this person was at my house. We were watching a movie on one computer and watching Reddit explode with harassment of me and Sarah Horrocks (my trans co author) on the other.
My friend and I were commenting and fact-checking the smear campaign Hill and the other Something Awful commenters were launching (within like hours of my game coming out) and passing the laptop back and forth.
There you go.
One more thing: There's a receipt for literally every single incident but this one. And in every case it objectively proves the people attacking me are lying or negligent in fact-checking before making attacks (equivalent evils). Often two or more of our harassers have mutually exclusive stories so literally at least one of them must be lying or wrong. After 6 years of absolutely provable harassment and smear campaign it seems silly people are worrying even a little about what I did rather than holding them to account for things they objectively and provably did for all that time. If you think this explanation is too thin? It’s still more than we’ve ever had from the folks making all these endless not just “thin” but actually-disproved claims. When does the burden shift to them defending themselves?
 Although the SAppelcline identity neither claimed to be anyone in specific nor did it promote Zak’s own work despite those accusations having been made.
The Avery Situation
Zaks argument is that;
.This name was chosen with no particular reference to anyone real.·        
.The only supposed opponent of his it could be named after is Avery Alder, the creator of Monsterhearts and they had no significant contact until the Magpie Games Incident, July 2016 and that wasn’t particularly hostile (especially compared to all the other people we’ve seen so far in this drama). He says the script for the game was finished and locked before that point.·        
.He regards the Avery character as a hero in the game, someone witty and funny and cool who saves your life, it would make no sense for him to name her after an enemy as a supposed act of revenge.       
.The Avery character is directly based on Zaks (trans) friend Bailey Jay, with her approval.
.The trans co-author (whom Zak suggested for the job) Sarah Horrocks both approved the text and aggressively defended the character.
I'll editorialise a little more than usual here. Claiming making a trans character a sketchy hyper-sexualised slut as an act of aggression seems a bit mad to me since Zak
is
a sketchy hyper-sexualised slut and so are most of the people he likes and he, and they, have all been pretty open in both speech and deed about how they think this is a pretty great way to live. It's a bit like saying the Pope wrote a book and condemned the villain by making them a
catholic
.
February 19th 2017 – Stacey Dellorfano Responds
Stacy Dellorfano, who runs the feminist Contessa event, responds to the accusations against Zak and describes the various different kinds of harassment and abuse she has received, sometimes from the same people who are opposed to Zak, whilst trying to make Contessa a thing;
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+StacyDellorfano/posts/9DgcEuirpPP
Archive;
https://archive.is/cPSMA
February 21
st
2017 – Sarah Horrocks Responds
The co-creator of the We Eat Blood game, Sarah Horrocks, is trans. You can read her tumblr response to the accusations here;
http://mercurialblonde.tumblr.com/post/157525001658
Archive;
https://archive.is/AF2Mt
Which include, interestingly, an anonymous commenter, without irony, explaining to a trans woman what transphobia is and that she doesn’t really understand how it works.
February 22nd
2017 White Wolf’s ResponseWhite Wolf responds to the accusations here;
https://blog.white-wolf.com/2017/02/22/breathing-the-same-shadow/
Archive;
https://archive.is/BCvrq
May 13th 2017 - Still Eating Blood
White Wolf has released a bunch of information about its new edition. Kenneth Hite is confirmed as the lead designer. This kicks off another thread on RPG.NET;
https://donotlink.it/wvWo
If you've gone through all of this you will see the same accusations from the same people, everything basically unaltered. This thread got locked soon after I posted it here, with 290 posts on it.
Then, the thread from back in February, got woken up. As of the time of writing that one has 1390 posts. (Looks like that has been shut down as well.)
June 20th 2017 - The Mark Rein-Hagen Thread
Mark Rein-Hagen, game designer and original creator of Vampire: The Masquerade, opens a Facebook post about play-testing of his new board-game;
https://www.facebook.com/Reinhagen/posts/10155667328577240?comment_id=10155667453877240
http://archive.is/ZmKON
After a few nice posts, this comes up;
Which, as you can see, has 358 replies as of the moment of this entry. So far as I can see the accusations are all things covered so far.
August 3rd 2017 - 'Art and the Artist' on RPG.NET
Were back!
Thread opens with this; "If he was just some asshole, I'd still buy his books, because I believe in supporting a skilled person if even they kinda suck. But this stuff about driving people out of the industry, calling people's phones to harass them, targeting their families, it sounds super skeevy and crazy.
I'm not trying to start any fights here, but can someone give me some links or information on the above? Being an abravise person who use's sock accounts, and makes some dumb blog where you talk shit all day, that's shitty and all, but it's not really enough to send me over the line of "I'm not doing to buy your books".
The Mods then ban all mention of Zak. Then I get kicked off (2nd 3-day ban)
Oh and I found this cool list of every thread with 'Zak S' as a tag.
August 13th 2017 -
I am Banned from Defending Zak on RPG.NET
Text of the ban; "Dear pjamesstuart,
You have received a warning at RPGnet Forums.
Reason:
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Topic Ban
Since your previous ban, we've reviewed your posting history and noticed that you've been posting exclusively in threads discussing a permabanned friend of yours. Specifically, you've been trying to reframe these discussions around a blog post you wrote. Though you present your views as a reasonable, neutral foundation for discussion, your posting mostly consists of attacks on other users and anyone who disagrees with you. Some of these posts are simply drive-by speeches directed at hypothetical future lurkers, and don't engage with the discussion in any meaningful way.
You've made it clear that you have personal and financial reasons to continue this behavior, and have no intention of changing. After discussion, we've decided to formally topic ban you from discussing Zak Smith, including linking to blog posts discussing him. You're still free to promote and discuss any games you've worked together on, provided you focus on the games themselves. You're also free to discuss any other topic on RPGnet, and we hope you take this opportunity to find other threads you'd enjoy participating in.
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Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.
All the best,
RPGnet Forums"
Image of the ban;
August 15th 2017 - 4Chan False Identity Accusation
We are back with Olivia Hill on the following twitter thread;
https://donotlink.it/WbaL
Hill accuses Zak of having a 4Chan identity;
Based on the use of the phrase 'get at hi in this anti-Hill comment;
And this G+ thread you will remember from August 2014 (see above).
And including what I think is an accusation of Fascism?
Later on we get Zaks denial of the accusation
Of course not--and in what world does that tactic make sense? Like if you go to some rpg part of 4chan and go "somebody should get at him" it's not like 4chan gives a rat's ass or would do anything. Especially if they thought it was me--they hate me way more than him
REPLY “
I mean: Olivia Hill writing shitty vampire e novels that nobody reads is an ideal outcome for me, what possible motive could I have to harass her out of that? Let her do that forever. I just wish people would just stop picking it up and running with it like it's a real thing
(G+ link may not be accessible to all)
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(This document gets periodically edited to reflect new information and clarify content about what’s in the longer links. Links are added but never deleted. The original draft of the doc and any the opinions injected are by Patrick Stuart.)
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A Love Story in 3 parts.
Disclaimer : Everything is fake. Or is it? 👀
Why the month of June is always very interesting. basically an excuse to try making a timeline of 1 month spanning three years before I attempt to do the 2017-2020 timeline. the keyword there is ATTEMPT.
﹌﹌Part I:  June 2018 ﹌﹌
This is a popular guess on the month that they actually got together— as far as acknowledging that they’re NOT bros. Keep in mind that these two supposedly first met on 3/14/2017 with no interactions or even eye contact ( as per Web). After that, they meet again 4/2018 as CQL started shooting. 
That’s two months of interaction. We have different timelines in our head with them, so you can interpret this as A.) they hit it off really quickly that’s why it only took a little time for their feelings to go THERE. B.) they are lying liars who lie and have been in contact from 2017-2018.
• 6.2.2018 - Shooting of LWJ and WWX in the rain.  • 6.3.2018 - Produce 101 Performance! Yes, the same one where GG was a mentor and they acted like they didn’t know each other. Famous for moments such as:
Glancing at each other even if separated by people. +  Sharing an earpiece. GG smiling while watching Web Dance.
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Here is the whole episode 
• 6.3.2018 - TTXS episode airing where Web gives love clues, where he says it depends on how he feels. Also that when he’s 40, he wants a kid and a dog. 
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• 6.9.2018 - GG’s interview with him showing how much of a Libra he is. 
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• 6.10.2018 - TTXS episode airing where Cheng Xiao is a guest and she proceeds to be Web’s good bro by exposing him ; saying he’s a Monk. 
• 6.11.2018 - Interview with Popular highlight, Web mentions GG for the first time while looking THIS good. The Audacity. Honestly. 🤦🏻‍♀‍
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He talked about how long GG’s lines are compared to him, especially when they highlight it on their script books. 
• 6.14.2018 - Shooting of Cold Pond Cave scene ; Then clinging to each other amidst the cold water. If you watched the new BTS from fansites, there is a 🔞scene here. Pertaining to the M*gnum W*ng. 
• 6.16.2018 - Shooting guns at each other and dancing to Black Pink’s Ddu Ddu.
• { VERY IMPORTANT DATE} 6.18.2018 is when they shot this scene. GG is looking all wet, with mud on his face but Web just says he still looks handsome with no make up on. Also, CAN WE TAKE A SECOND AND WEEP at how GG looks at Web here. His eyes. Wow. He clearly adores Web at this point.
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• They also shot WWX handing Zongzi to LWJ.
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• Later that day, they ate together. They were photographed by paps who thought Web was going out with a girl. The produced and director of CQL was also there.
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• GG then posted this on Weibo on 20:18 “love you yibo” as a greeting for the Festival. Web took the picture, according to me. I’m the curtain.
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• 6.19.2018 - The next day, Web is photographed at the airport with the same clothes. This is also the first appearance of his white Nike Bag. He had to go and film an episode of Happy Camp.
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AND OUR BOI WAS ABSOLUTELY GLOWING IN THAT EPISODE. Watch it english subbed here. 
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• 6.22.2018 - a supposedly important day too as they cued 622 a couple of times. This is a good read on that.
﹌﹌ Part II: June 2019 ﹌﹌
•  6.1.2019 - GG interview with cosmo where he sings Kepler.  • 6.2.2019 - Web attending Yuehua family concert • 6.15.2019 - Web in extreme youth press conference wearing a questionable spongebob shirt.
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• {VERY IMPORTANT DATE} 6.19.2019 - First appearance of Web’s ox head necklace via a picture of him in an airport, at Chongqing. 
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• 6.19.2019 - GG posts an ad for Qeelin on his instagram account. ( which is now non existent since it was hacked incase you didn’t know). Qeelin Bo is significant to BJYX, you can check it on my jewelry post. 
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• 6.21-6.22 2019 - Web posted himself practicing skateboard. 
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• 6.25.2019 - They both posted on their Weibo about their joint Bazaar Magazine cover. This was re-released and became bazaar’s #1 e-magazine issue.
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• 6.27.2019 - They both post about the premiere of CQL! 💚❤️
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• 6.28.2019 - Web posts himself as LWJ, saying rabbits are cute. 
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• 6.30.2019 - Web attends Yuehua annual party as Spiderman (into the spider verse).
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﹌﹌ Part III: June 2020 ﹌﹌
• 6.5.20 - GG posts after a long time of silence with a picture of blue sky. Captioning it with : “Blue skies and white clouds, what do you see?” more on the significance of blue sky and white clouds with BYX here.  • 6.9.20 - XZ studio posts a video about GG’s daily life, giving us a glimpse of what he was doing. • 6.12.20 - We finally get a selfie from GG! He mentions on his caption that his hair is getting long. There is a CPN on this that the shirt he is wearing is a couple shirt from trasher which matches Web’s. Also, as people match the scenery posts on this, it matches with Web’s filming locations. 
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• 6.13.20 - GG Douyin update, making orange juice like a pro. CPN on this is that the place he is filming at is pretty similar to Web’s house. But let’s not go there. 
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• 6.18.20 - Another artwork post from GG. 
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• 6.20.20 - Himalaya releases a CF for their new endorser, Wang Yibis. THIS CF ANS EVERYTHING ABOUT IT KILLED US. Starting with Web’s post,  “Some words, even if I don’t say it, u guys will know. This is our tacit understanding. Love is like this. Accompanying everyday.”
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• 6.21.20 - Web video doing an Ollie (skateboard trick). People were speculating where he actually is on this one. most probably just him enjoying his down time and probably Lele taking that video.  • 6.25.20 - GG posts an artwork of zongzi along with an actual one for dragon boat festival. People have analyzed the little drawings and noted one looks like him & the other as Web. 
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• AND FINALLY, this year’s Dragon Boat Festival gave way to the crazy fake rumor of them getting “engaged” + buying a house and car. When this came out, it was such a sweet fanfic— but with how the fake rumors becoming true lately— this is now very scary 👀.
CPN is that they spent this year’s Dragon boat festival together because of this clue. (Let me copy my own post) -->> 
This started with GG’s post and the background being compared to one of Web’s cast-mate, Wang Hao Xuan.
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What gets me is the caption saying, “stuff that happens at work is a secret”. / “someone became super talkative while eating zongzi” What? Why? Who do we know is quiet but becomes really talkative when with his GG? WANG YIBIS.
Post-shoot, The director attended SDOC 3 finals too! To support Web. Plus Web’s message for the wrap was sweet. I felt like they really took care of him and will not say anything that will bring him down.
@p-h03n1-x - added a few more details on the posts particularly : Web’s popular highlight interview, video of DD almost going to GG’s care and heading back to trailer together. 
BONUS THROWBACK 6.1.2017.
Both of them posted selfies on that day, talking about 6/1 but there’s no event to celebrate on China on that day. 
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@choke-and-dye​ added an explanation for these: 
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AND THAT’S IT <3 If you made it this far, Thank you. old time bxgs won’t see anything new in this post (probably) but I hope you still enjoyed it. Let’s see what happens on June 2021 and onwards. :)) Also, if it takes this long just to create one month, how long with it be for their whole timeline so far. LOL. T.T 
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