#christans history summed up

[isa-belle1367]

Christians: You must convert to Christianity to save your souls.

Non-Christians: what if we don't tho.

Christians: we will burn your village and salt your lands for it is the lords will.

Jesus from heaven: I DID NOT FUCKING SAY THAT SHIT

[krujuice]

The modern church, in its infancy, makes a godaweful amount of mistakes and presumptions. The teaching of modern churches often equates to "sand castles built on sandbars", which immediately lose all stability once the waters come forth. The latest in my area is a little church called "Old Brooklyn Christan Church".*1 Now before I go forward I have to make a few statements. First off the Pastor is a rather sincere person, that goes out of his way to visit prisoners and nursing homes; he's a very caring individual that does a lot of good, so in no way am I going to be defacing him or saying anything ill of him, I hold him in high esteem. That being said, like most modern evangelicals he doesn't understand ancient context, biblical languages or Greek or Hebrew vernacular; so he is presuming everything from a KJV, a tricky and muddled start for biblical interpretation. Especially knowing the history of the KJV. I'll go into greater details later, different story for a different time. However he's bashing the Catholic Church, ironic since it's been around since the beginning and he wouldn't have a church without it; however church history evades most modern church goers on the Protestant side. Not really their fault intrinsically, it is how they are taught. Thank God not all. Let's start with his presumption on infallibility. Like most he assumes (ass-u-me, always a bad idea) that everything the Pope says is gospel. That's not the case however: "Vatican II explained the doctrine of infallibility as follows: "Although the individual bishops do not enjoy the prerogative of infallibility, they can nevertheless proclaim Christ’s doctrine infallibly. This is so, even when they are dispersed around the world, provided that while maintaining the bond of unity among themselves and with Peter’s successor, and while teaching authentically on a matter of faith or morals, they concur in a single viewpoint as the one which must be held conclusively. This authority is even more clearly verified when, gathered together in an ecumenical council, they are teachers and judges of faith and morals for the universal Church. Their definitions must then be adhered to with the submission of faith" (Lumen Gentium 25). *2 So "Papal infallibility" is the corporate teaching of the Lord through the body of Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit. When the Pope is "speaking infallibly" he is normally clarifying what was said at one of the council's or reiterating a dogma that the church stands by. He is not going to say something along the lines of "today all spiders are holy icons, so praise Saint Arachnid"!. So once again, when we assume without knowledge we look like fools gold (preaching nuggets of wisdom that are of no value). Do the Pope's have authority? According to Jesus they do: Jesus told Peter that in his place, he, not the Holy Spirit directly, but Peter, to "feed my sheep", John 21:15–17 (CEB): When they finished eating, Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” Simon replied, “Yes, Lord, you know I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my lambs.” Jesus asked a second time, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Simon replied, “Yes, Lord, you know I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Take care of my sheep.” He asked a third time, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was sad that Jesus asked him a third time, “Do you love me?” He replied, “Lord, you know everything; you know I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. So Peter, above everyone, as first Pope, was to tend to the flocks. Is there any other place Jesus gives him authority? Why yes there is:  Matthew 16:17–20 (CEB): "Then Jesus replied, “Happy are you, Simon son of Jonah, because no human has shown this to you. Rather my Father who is in heaven has shown you. I tell you that you are Peter. And I’ll build my church on this rock. The gates of the underworld won’t be able to stand against it. I’ll give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Anything you fasten on earth will be fastened in heaven. Anything you loosen on earth will be loosened in heaven.” Then he ordered the disciples not to tell anybody that he was the Christ." Why is this significant? Once again this is where the ignorance of the modern church shows it's true color, as they do not understand what this means in context. Let me explain, Eliakim was given the keys to David's kingdom in Isaiah 22:15-25, where he literally had control of his entire kingdom (Jesus inherited the promise and kingdom of David). He was the acting official over all his lands. This is the same verbiage being used to describe what Jesus just gave Peter. This is the context of what is being said, Jesus is using verbiage that is familiar to them through the Old Testament passages. So literally he gave Peter all acting authority until the fulfillment of the kingdom. If that isn't proof enough, he made sure upon his resurrection that they understood that they were acting in his stead, John 20:22–23 (CEB): "Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven; if you don’t forgive them, they aren’t forgiven.” Which is why a confession can be done in front of a priest. He is literally acting as God's Emissary on Earth. He is standing with you as a brother in Christ and helping you over come your sin. If I have to keep going then you're just in denial at this point. You can sum up everything else he said based on the context and verses I just gave you, in that alone the rest of his argument falls. Daniel prophesied that, Daniel 2:44–45 (CEB): “But in the days of those kings, the God of heaven will raise up an everlasting kingdom that will be indestructible. Its rule will never pass to another people. It will shatter other kingdoms. It will put an end to all of them. It will stand firm forever, just like you saw when the stone, which was cut from the mountain, but not by hands, shattered the iron, bronze, clay, silver, and gold. A great God has revealed to the king what will happen in the future. The dream is certain. Its meaning can be trusted.” Jesus is that Stone cut from the mountain, and we, as the body of Christ, are that kingdom, being fulfilled around the world, and it's come true, the Catholic Church is now throughout the entire world, end to end, as his kingdom on Earth. Amen KruJuice, BCS.  *1 ( http://oldbrooklynchristianchurch.org/there-is-no-hope-in-the-pope/)  *2 https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility 

[evolvedcatholic]

The modern church, in its infancy, makes a godaweful amount of mistakes and presumptions.

The teaching of modern churches often equates to “sand castles built on sandbars”, which immediately lose all stability once the waters come forth.

The latest in my area is a little church called “Old Brooklyn Christan Church”.*1

Now before I go forward I have to make a few statements.

First off the Pastor is a rather sincere person, that goes out of his way to visit prisoners and nursing homes; he’s a very caring individual that does a lot of good, so in no way am I going to be defacing him or saying anything ill of him, I hold him in high esteem.

That being said, like most modern evangelicals he doesn’t understand ancient context, biblical languages or Greek or Hebrew vernacular; so he is presuming everything from a KJV, a tricky and muddled start for biblical interpretation. Especially knowing the history of the KJV.

I’ll go into greater details later, different story for a different time.

However he’s bashing the Catholic Church, ironic since it’s been around since the beginning and he wouldn’t have a church without it; however church history evades most modern church goers on the Protestant side.

Not really their fault intrinsically, it is how they are taught.

Thank God not all.

Let’s start with his presumption on infallibility.

Like most he assumes (ass-u-me, always a bad idea) that everything the Pope says is gospel.

That’s not the case however:

“Vatican II explained the doctrine of infallibility as follows: "Although the individual bishops do not enjoy the prerogative of infallibility, they can nevertheless proclaim Christ’s doctrine infallibly. This is so, even when they are dispersed around the world, provided that while maintaining the bond of unity among themselves and with Peter’s successor, and while teaching authentically on a matter of faith or morals, they concur in a single viewpoint as the one which must be held conclusively. This authority is even more clearly verified when, gathered together in an ecumenical council, they are teachers and judges of faith and morals for the universal Church. Their definitions must then be adhered to with the submission of faith” (Lumen Gentium 25). *2

So “Papal infallibility” is the corporate teaching of the Lord through the body of Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit.

When the Pope is “speaking infallibly” he is normally clarifying what was said at one of the council’s or reiterating a dogma that the church stands by.

He is not going to say something along the lines of “today all spiders are holy icons, so praise Saint Arachnid”!.

So once again, when we assume without knowledge we look like fools gold (preaching nuggets of wisdom that are of no value).

Do the Pope’s have authority?

According to Jesus they do:

Jesus told Peter that in his place, he, not the Holy Spirit directly, but Peter, to “feed my sheep”,

John 21:15–17 (CEB): When they finished eating, Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” Simon replied, “Yes, Lord, you know I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my lambs.” Jesus asked a second time, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Simon replied, “Yes, Lord, you know I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Take care of my sheep.” He asked a third time, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was sad that Jesus asked him a third time, “Do you love me?” He replied, “Lord, you know everything; you know I love you.”

Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep.

So Peter, above everyone, as first Pope, was to tend to the flocks.

Is there any other place Jesus gives him authority?

Why yes there is:

 Matthew 16:17–20 (CEB): “Then Jesus replied, “Happy are you, Simon son of Jonah, because no human has shown this to you. Rather my Father who is in heaven has shown you. I tell you that you are Peter. And I’ll build my church on this rock. The gates of the underworld won’t be able to stand against it. I’ll give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Anything you fasten on earth will be fastened in heaven. Anything you loosen on earth will be loosened in heaven.” Then he ordered the disciples not to tell anybody that he was the Christ.”

Why is this significant?

Once again this is where the ignorance of the modern church shows it’s true color, as they do not understand what this means in context.

Let me explain,

Eliakim was given the keys to David’s kingdom in Isaiah 22:15-25, where he literally had control of his entire kingdom (Jesus inherited the promise and kingdom of David).

He was the acting official over all his lands.

This is the same verbiage being used to describe what Jesus just gave Peter. This is the context of what is being said, Jesus is using verbiage that is familiar to them through the Old Testament passages.

So literally he gave Peter all acting authority until the fulfillment of the kingdom.

If that isn’t proof enough, he made sure upon his resurrection that they understood that they were acting in his stead,

John 20:22–23 (CEB): “Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven; if you don’t forgive them, they aren’t forgiven.”

Which is why a confession can be done in front of a priest.

He is literally acting as God’s Emissary on Earth.

He is standing with you as a brother in Christ and helping you over come your sin.

If I have to keep going then you’re just in denial at this point.

You can sum up everything else he said based on the context and verses I just gave you, in that alone the rest of his argument falls.

Daniel prophesied that,

Daniel 2:44–45 (CEB): “But in the days of those kings, the God of heaven will raise up an everlasting kingdom that will be indestructible. Its rule will never pass to another people. It will shatter other kingdoms. It will put an end to all of them. It will stand firm forever, just like you saw when the stone, which was cut from the mountain, but not by hands, shattered the iron, bronze, clay, silver, and gold. A great God has revealed to the king what will happen in the future. The dream is certain. Its meaning can be trusted.”

Jesus is that Stone cut from the mountain, and we, as the body of Christ, are that kingdom, being fulfilled around the world, and it’s come true, the Catholic Church is now throughout the entire world, end to end, as his kingdom on Earth.

Amen

KruJuice. 

*1 ( http://oldbrooklynchristianchurch.org/there-is-no-hope-in-the-pope/) 

*2 https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility