#i feel i just... repeated what was in the ask in a ramble form dkfhjd

[icharchivist]

I was re reading dgm chapters and got to the part where Chaoji said he was going to fight Allen. That got me thinking, could Innocence refuse to hurt Allen? There's a lot of gray and unknown areas right now in what we know. But what we do know is Apocryphos and the Heart are very invested in Allen's survival no matter what. They consider him more connected to the Innocence then anyone else. The times Allen was hurt by Innocence was when he impaled himself and later when Kanda stabbed him. -

2 both times happened before the Apocryphos approached Allen. CC will act on It's own, even against Allen's wishes, to protect him no matter what. You could even say CC alerting Apocryphos to where Allen is is it's way of saving Allen from erosion of the 14th. Even Kanda stated CC's attachment for Allen seems unnatural. We also know even regular Innocence is at least somewhat sentient. Considering the Heart and Apocryphos can control/influence any Innocence. I bet if they wanted to they could-

3 stop any Innocence from activating. Who knows they might even have the Innocence turn on it's user and make them into a fallen one for 'betraying' the Heart's wishes by trying to kill Allen. Kanda dropped Mugen when he left w/Alma. But when he re bonded w/Mugen he started showing signs of falling (granted it's probably other reasons. But it's still something Kanda is falling while promising to kill Allen if it comes to it. While Allen isn't falling at all despite being a fugitive/Noah and-4 denying the Apocryphos, CC and the Heart's way of saving him from Nea). Over all it looks like a interesting route to consider. Allen is possibly the only human Innocence truly loves/desires to keep alive for unknown purposes (side note: also don't think we're ever getting a Allen vs Chaoji fight. If anything I see a lot of foreshadowing for a Krory vs Chaoji fight. Both keep getting more unhappy/angry w/the other). I'll be curious if there's repercussions for Excorcists attacking Allen.

That’s... a very good question actually. 

Like you say, I think every innocence is kinda sentient. And they all follow their own rules and own stuff. For exemple when I see how Lenalee’s innocence acts I can totally see a very bitter innocence being all “I chose you, I do all those things to protect you and you hate me? wow okay screw you try to survive without me for a few days, we’ll see how much you hate me when you need me huh.”In opposition to Miranda’s innocence that was so gentle with her and just went “shhhh no need to keep fighting i��m with you, i’ll make it easy for you and give you your wish” for exemple. 

Like there’s a lot to be said about each and every single’s innocence’s “sentientness”. Lenalee and Miranda are the best exemple because they’re complete opposite extreme, but if you look at the others too: Suman became a fallen because he told a Noah where to find others Exorcists while he was under threat of death. also if i remember there were talks about how he wasn’t 100% compatible with his innocence. So the innocence took the betrayal very badly. Meanwhile we have Kanda’s “fallen” statue slowly settling in, of the innocence more.... sending warning signals of “you’re playing too close with fire.”

(In fact Kanda’s innocence sentientness is interesting in the Alma arc: we see the science division tried to force the connection between the innocence and Kanda which the innocence hated enough to hurt Kanda. When Kanda was in tears, remembering his past, the innocence willingly approched him quietly. Perhaps like an old dog seeing his master back again after having been left on the side of the road, unable to trust anyone else, not being aware it wasn’t his master’s choice. If you feel my analogy there.)

I think those are the major ones where the innocence seems to be sentient on its own, without even mentioning the Heart or passive sentient-ness we might not know about.

And then we have CC, definitly the most sentient one of them all. An innocence which remained alive after being destroyed, which changed shape as Allen’s evolved, and, who despite Allen turning into a Noah, is somewhat still supporting Allen, even if it wavers sometimes. There’s something with this innocence that seems so.... Kind to me? As in, it’s understanding of Allen’s circumstances and is trying to help him, to adjust with him. It seems to have Allen’s wellbeing to heart.

Now like you say (bc i’m only just rambling and expending on what you say there kdjhfd) we have Apocryphos and the Heart. We KNOW the Heart can act on the innocences around it and changes them - the Earl says that the Heart had been retrived by the end of the Ark’s arc and that it “is creating dummies to hide itself among the others”. So the Heart is sentient enough to affect the innocences around it (and at this point Lenalee’s and Allen’s were the one who majorly evolved, and Krory’s was.. quite unusual too).

Apocryphos is made of pure Innocence. He works for the Heart. But it depends also how much he is actually connected to the Heart. 

You’re right tho that CC seems to warn Apocryphos, but it also doesn’t make a lot of efforts for Apocryphos to catch Allen either. it seems CC is really walking this line of “doing this for Allen’s sake” rather than against the Noah inside him or for Apocryphos’s sake. 

As for why.. how.... Who knows. But it is interesting to consider that the innocence mirrored the Earl. The huge cape around Allen echos the Earl’s suit, especially with how it warps around them, and the sword is an ultimate give away. We know Nea used the same sword before though and that’s where it becomes blurry - is the innocence doing that because of the Nea’s memories, because of the deep connection between Allen and Mana, or for another reason? 

So.. ye CC is definitly being weird, and we don’t know enough to truly nail down why it’s happening. But also I think that if CC knows about Allen’s connection to the Noah but also knows that Allen’s heart is pure of intention and that he wants to save people more than anyone else (a lot of people just want to stop the war, some had been wrapped into it against their will. Allen wants to save people, and want to save Akuma’s souls as well.). Therefore CC might trust Allen to be worth of all the kind of protection.

And that’s not to mention we don’t really know when this innocence appeared do we? Did Past!Allen have it or did the innocence find Allen after he grew younger? If the later: Why? Did it see Allen’s potential? If the former: How did Past!Allen get an innocence willing to go through all of this with him? What was Past!Allen’s deal?

So it’s. tricky. and i guess we wo’nt know more unless we gt more expended stuff on the innocence orz

(and you have a good point. Tbh I do think Chaoji and Allen are buidling up to something, not because of Chaoji’s recent development but because the turning point for Chaoji was when he was ready to let Allen to die when Allen tried to save Tyki during the Ark’s collapse. This is to me the moment that means they might face each other at some point because that beef was here for a while. But you’re right in term of recent events: Chaoji being on Allen’s track doesn’t seem to me lie it will have them face each other. It does seem to build up more toward Krory (and perhaps even the rest of the exorcists) to face Chaoji and refuse to give up on Allen. This would be one of the ultimate test of loyauty toward Allen. And lately with both Krory and Chaoji on Allen’s track, Krory who loves Allen so much and Chaoji who have resentment against him even before it was known he was part Noah - seems to make for a perfect foild for the time to come. But gods know what will happen then...)

Take care!