#i love how doomsday is foreshadowed from torchwood and then pete's universe

[riverswaltz]

doctor who series 2 is so camp that you either get it or you don't

[shkspr]

okay ik i said i was done but of course the lie detector test determined that was a lie. anyway i’m thinking about the impossible planet and the satan pit as it foreshadows the army of ghosts and doomsday and i think it’s really uhhhh Good. how ip/sp was all about human ingenuity and how the doctor was so amazed by the crew and their mission even as he warned them how dangerous and stupid it was, because the stupidity of humanity is part and parcel of the whole deal. 

and he was so curious and so ecstatic to see them and to find out about their expedition and to stand in awe and wonder at how impossible it all was, even at the end, even after everything that happened, he was still so proud of them and so in love with humanity. 

and then in ag/dd how the cybermen from pete’s world were a result of human innovation, and how human imagination is what helped them manifest in their universe, and how the human advances of torchwood widened the gap and allowed travel between the universes and allowed the cybermen and the daleks to come thru. 

just. two sides of the same coin, really, human curiosity and human greed, the desire to know more and the desire to have more. the cybermen in pete’s world were created from selfishness and greed, but torchwood wasn’t, torchwood was first and foremost looking to learn about the universe, and that was their downfall, and isn’t that fucked? isn’t that exactly what the doctor loves about humans? the irony of it is frankly delicious. 

and then thinking about “it said i was gonna die in battle” “then it lied” and “the stuff of legend” and “you’re dead, officially, back home” and thinking about how many people on earth missed rose tyler when she was gone and how many people never got the closure and the understanding that, say, jack harkness got, never got to know that she was alive in a parallel universe. thinking about her as the stuff of legend back on earth, the human race telling stories of this girl who sacrificed herself to save the world. thinking about how that is the truth, that is who she is, even if she didn’t die, that legend is true to who she is.

and honestly just. thinking about impossible things and rules and beliefs and power and control and who has the authority to make decisions. to say no, we can’t dig to save your ship, you’re a part of our crew now, or to say this is our ship, you are our prisoner, want a cuppa? those two wildly different situations, both where people try to pin the doctor down and take him away from what he loves, one which starts out looking hopeless and ends looking up, the other which starts out playing a bit ridiculous and ends in desolation.

the human race attempting to dig into a planet orbiting a black hole vs the human race trying to colonize a hole in the fabric of space-time. the impossibility of the planet and the black hole and the beast in the pit vs the impossibility of the cybermen and the daleks. the coincidental way that the doctor stumbled across the tardis at exactly the right moment vs the circumstantial nature of rose losing her grip just seconds before the wall closed and pete showing up at exactly the right moment. 

i know this isn’t organized or super coherent but anyway i love doctor who ://