#i think that programming / computer stuff retains a liiiiiiitle bit of 'loser' vibes if you frame it in certain contexts
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(Nightwing 110 - Dick thinking about Tim)
Saw a post where someone wasn't sure if Tim being good at computers was a fanon thing or not and friend I am happy to inform you that he's been a computer/tech guy from some of his earliest appearances in the comics.
Detective Comics (Vol. 1) #620 (Rite of Passage part 4) - immersed in the ~web~
Robin II: The Joker's Wild #3 - tabletop roleplaying games and spending hours in the basement on the computer - not beating the geek allegations on these fronts, Timmy
Detective Comics (Vol. 1) #676 - Dick was more into traditional detective work and tended to outsource the computer stuff in these days
Batman (Vol. 1) #514 (Prodigal part 10) - hackin' through all the garbage and garble
Robin (1993) #33 - Robin sneaking in and connecting Oracle with the baddies' mainframe so she can do her thing and steal all their data >:)
Nightwing (1996) #6 - "no you're really talented and well suited to be Robin." "no, you." "no, YOU!"
Tim is definitely not as good as Babs/Oracle, but he's certainly her back-up for computer work in the 90's batfam. They're tech buddies and Robin!Tim is her little assistant sometimes, it's super cute:
Birds of Prey (1999) #19 - happy to play with big sister's fancy high-powered toys
Legends of the Dark Knight (1989) #125 - real cute kid
And Dick will hand off computer jobs to his little brother when he doesn't want to bother Babs 😂 (that outsourcing I mentioned):
Nightwing (1996) #68 - examine them pixel by pixel, eh? welp, sounds like a job only you can do, Timbo, you got this buddy, byyyyeeeee
And then when he'd grown up and been doing this for years, he leveled up accordingly, and did stuff like use his access to the League of Assassins computers to overload the generators in every base he could find, etc. etc.
Red Robin (2009) #8 - yeah that was pretty dumb of you Ra's :)
So yeah, it was a bit of a specialty of Tim's, in large part because he was introduced just at the turn into the 90's, when personal computers were really starting to take off and become widespread. (Robins gotta be cutting edge and all)
Of course, by no means does it follow that the other Bats suck at computers (there is no 'smart one' they are all incredibly smart and capable). This is especially true as reboots and the sliding timescale of comics have moved the DC characters into modern times, where computers run the world and everyone grows up with one in their pocket. The baseline familiarity and expertise that everyone can be expected to have is just much, much higher these days.
It gets exaggerated in fanon as all character traits do, but computer guy Tim is definitely not something just made up out of whole cloth :)b
#tim drake#yeah he is 100% a computer geek!! i feel like hmmm#in the 90s being a geeky computer nerd wasn't a BAD thing#but imo it did still have a bit of a 'loser' vibe when applied to a teenage boy / young man#which is part of why tim is the computer nerd (he's relatable and cool but uhhh also a bit of a dweeb sometimes Just Like You)#whereas nightwing!dick is meant to be a cooler / more aspirational character#which is why... like. obviously he's not helpless with computers!!! he is very intelligent!!#but he's also a bit more manly & cooler than tim so he's above some of the geekier vibes tim sometimes has#like. he's not gonna waste his time with programming if he can get tim to do it for him while he does Cool Guy Things (TM)#so e.g. in the same bw:m arc where tim's doing the programming dick dived down into the batcave on a death-diving mission#to figure out how the big villain broke in (while tim freaked out about his safety back at the computer)#so mmm it's not like tim's being undermined by the narrative - we're still meant to think he's competent!! he can fight!#but he's being framed as a bit less tough/impressive than dick is & being given the 'computer expert' role is part of that#i think that programming / computer stuff retains a liiiiiiitle bit of 'loser' vibes if you frame it in certain contexts#but imo the cultural shift / ubiquity of computers means some of the framing here can get lost (cough cough lobdell)#meanwhile babs escapes the bad vibes because by being female & into a male-coded thing she is automatically a Cool Girl#plus she is obviously. you know. extremely cool sdfsfdsfs
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