#jordan peterson won't go to therapy

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"I can fix him" -Chris, Jordan Peterson Won't Go To Therapy

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My favourite thing ever about LITWTC is that it sounds completely and utterly bizarre to anyone who doesn't listen to it. What do you mean that music artist I heard on TikTok has a podcast where he and his friend talk about the apocalypse.

Anyways some of my favourite bits are

Tommy Lasagna, a fully Korean man with a thick Brooklyn accent, will own a fast food combination auto repair shop, wherein he'll mix up your order and put burgers on your tires and serve you a fistful of wires instead of fires

Will getting harassed by a ghost prostitute named Mama Doo-Wop for like seven minutes

Chris and Will stopping their car (they were driving around in this episode) and laughing at a decaying house for like five minutes

Will larping as Tom Waits for an entire episode

Leopard Planet is the only band still left in the apocalypse, wherein the lead singer and rhythm guitarist and Rock God, Zap Gorgeous, will have leopard print clothes as they play on top of a leopard pyramid

Will and Chris try getting their Wendy's order and it takes 20 minutes because the Doordash driver kept circling a graveyard

Will will save Jordan Peterson from the manosphere grease pit (where any manosphere person is greased up and tossed into a pit where they have to kill everyone else to survive) and turns him into a parrot-like pet that he listens to for hours on end

Chris Dunne Won't Go To Therapy I/II

ROLL!! THEM!! BONES!!

Bobby Sugarbones dying because the recording program closed and they didn't notice because the laptop had a picture of Chester Cheetah inflation art covering it (this was because Chris was trying to get Will into the kink so they could fuck the podcast, which is a gutter clown with that kink)

"Yes! And–"

Chris and Will spending an entire episode parked in front of a school because Will's car broke down and they were waiting for the repair guy (yes there are two episodes where they're in a car)

The Bug Woman

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Jordan Peterson may be a based individual but he has spent his career in two fake and gay professions, academia and mental health.

His latest thing is that he's in danger of losing his clinical license because he won't affirm transgenders. This is part of an overall positive trend: as "therapy" increasingly means "where teenage girls go to get their tits cut off," mental health professions will lose currency in the broader society.

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I've been seeing a lot of Jordan Peterson clips online lately and almost all seem to revolve around the idea that since trans people and "women these days" don't behave in a way men (or just he - he seems to conflate the two a lot) weren't socialized to expect of people, they are in the wrong. He doesn't know "what to do" with these people so he pretends he's going to ignore them while continuing to speak out about them. His aim is to try and force them to behave according to "social norms", and he insinuates that because they won't comply, it makes life harder for cis men (i.e. him and his incel following). This is a 60 year old man with degrees in political science and psychology who still has not realized that you cannot control everybody and everything around you so that you don't have to deal with things you don't understand. This 60 year old man stood in front of a classroom and bemoaned the fact that women are refusing to placate men's egos anymore, because men are socialized to need them to do it, so they should do it. This is a 60 year old man who doesn't think men should have to grow and adapt to deal with the changing world, because it's scary and difficult to grow and adapt. He demands everyone else continue to sacrifice their own needs and identity to make men (him) feel good. It amazes me that a man who spends his entire life in psychology is so blind to his own need for therapy.

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Thank you for your reply. My ask was kind of all over the place. (I've done some dbt before with a previous therapist and it helped! But that therapist was not a good fit I'm at a new one now tho).

Random thing, you mentioned bpd I heard in my abnormal psychology class that a lot of therapists won't treat someone diagnosed with bpd??? It was the teacher who is a grad student studying to be a therapist who said it. And like. I don't understand. They sound like a very in need population who was often abused and there's a whole huge book of treatment resources written by someone with bpd. I've heard they're "hard to treat" and talked about like they're hopeless. but like why be a mental health professional if you don't like mentally ill/different people?

This is also the same professor who insisted trauma is only the few things listed under dsm ptsd definition as traumatic events.. like she said parents getting divorced isn't a traumatic event because you aren't physically in danger... that class really scared me about the mental health field because of all the awful people in it aspiring to be therapists including the teacher.

Sorry for all the asks I love the work you do on this blog

Ahahaha, what IS it about undergrad abnormal psych professors? Mine said he wouldn't touch clinical practice with a ten-foot pole, and told a story about how once a student told him she had schizophrenia, and he knew that she was lying because obviously nobody with schizophrenia could actually manage to attend university.

(It's seriously untrue. I've had both friends and clients with psychotic disorders who succeeded in university. He was being an ableist bastard. Like, I know psych students can tend to over-identify with a disorder they're studying without actually having it, but that doesn't mean no psych student is ever entirely correct about their deal.)

Okay so, BPD. The thing about BPD is that it requires a special skillset that does not come standard in most clinical training. If a therapist who doesn't have that skillset tries to treat someone with BPD, the therapy will not be very effective and the process will be very frustrating for both them and their client. To be very frank, it's just as true that ordinary therapists are bad at treating BPD and don't like feeling stupid, as it is that people with BPD are hard to treat.

(And training to deal with people with BPD clinically is often not included in grad school education. DBT training is expensive and they won't accept you unless you have an adequate clinical placement.)

Also, part of dealing with BPD in particular is... people with BPD often have trouble seeing authority figures with anything more nuanced than "adoration and compliance" or "fear and loathing". As a therapist, you're signing up as an authority figure. Part of the work means letting your client express all their feelings about you, and helping them work to something more nuanced and sustainable, like, "I am furious and enraged that I'm in pain and I wish my therapist could take that pain away, but I realize that's not within her power. I have to admit that she's not being an evil villain here, so I can feel my resentment but let it go."

Which can be stressful to deal with, as a therapist. You have to live with a lot of hurt and anger and rage headed your way, and keep your perspective. Be empathetic without getting carried away in those emotions. You have to be able to face that pain and say, "I can't take that away. I can only help you learn to bear it."

Basically everyone I know in grad school had a nervous breakdown somewhere along the line because we go to therapist school because we're smart and capable and feel good about helping people, so when we encounter a person we can't help, or are put in situations where we have to stop helping, we tend to have existential crises and end up sobbing in the student lounge about What Am I Even Good For Now. I was lucky because I had a version of that breakdown before I entered grad school, and my therapist warned me to get a new shrink when I moved for my Master's, "Because if you don't need one at the beginning, you'll definitely need one by the end." So I was more equipped to help classmates for whom this was a wholly new experience.

In my opinion, the healthy way to approach the problem of A Person You're Not Good At Helping is to practice humility, set reasonable boundaries, recognize the limits of your competence, and see where you can learn and grow. But many therapists and helping professionals use what I consider to be an unhealthy approach, labelling such clients as "defensive" and "resistant" and "hard to treat" and blaming them for the difficulty.

Which like, I get that "practicing humility" is like "doing exercise", sometimes you're tired and cranky and don't want to go for a run. Sometimes you just want to blame the other person for not accepting your magnanimous help.

Anyway, within the field of mental health psychotherapy, complex trauma is a unique sub-speciality that many therapists don't want to touch at all. I had many classmates say, "Woof, you're into complex trauma? You must be so tough, I could never." 🙄

(Technically I have the ethical obligation to represent my profession in the best possible light to encourage public confidence in the field of psychotherapy. But I think it's not undermining the profession to admit what everyone already knows, which is that some therapists are oblivious assholes who do bad work. I've seen it, I've met them, I want them to piss off forever. Jordan Peterson is a blight to our names and Phil McGraw can go choke.)

So people who are on your wavelength about BPD and trauma and What Therapists Are For are out there. They're just a little rarer than the usual run of therapists. For what it's worth, I've found they cluster more in areas like complex trauma, DBT, Narrative Therapy, and the Hearing Voices Movement. Next year (knock on wood) I'l be going to a conference on the treatment of complex trauma with a friend, and this sounds weird given that it's a weekend all about child maltreatment, but I expect it to be a blast, because I'll get to be among My People, talking about the work that fills our souls.

I really wish that as an undergrad, I'd spent more time hanging out with Social Work students, and going to conferences and trainings. Those are where I met some of the coolest people I really clicked with. And in grad school, I had the extreme pleasure of meeting other people who were a lot like me. Those friendships were especially rewarding because as skilled helpers, we ended up playing a game of Needs Chicken, where each tries hide their own needs and caretake for the other, which finally ended up in a standoff where we had to agree to put down our caretaking skills and just be honest about what we wanted, even if that felt new and scary and raw.

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My brother continually jokes around that I have a mental ilness because xyz and he won't stop, how can I make him shut up...

:( this makes me sad cause I know how fucking awful family can be when you are clearly not okay :( Words from my family have hurt me the most, for sure. 

I don’t have any advice other than perhaps try throwing it back at him, in the moment, as casually as possible:

 “why the need to say it, dude?” “God, you are so repetitive” “what’s your obsession with me it’s creepy?” “what I’m mentally ill cause I don’t behave in the exact same way you desire?” “saying this shit makes you feel good mate? alright” 

I’ve so often found the best way to shut someone down is integral silence, blatantly ignoring them (when it’s cruel) or seriously saying “this shit hurts man, do you realise that?”

So often those who have judged me I feel the mutual energy of “well who the fuck are you then? Why the fuck should I listen to you?” 

… how do you honestly feel about your brother? can we go there? sending you so much support, know you aren’t alone… this type of shit is all too common :((

For me? I’ve found education around mental illness to be THE MOST HEALING THING. I see “mental illness” as a natural reaction to our very unnatural/unstable environments… this is very critical psych/narrative therapy… 

Alternative discourses on “mental health” & “mainstream therapy”

Jacques Lacan - The Mirror Stage

Being and Listening - Peter Wilberg

‘Inviting paranoia to the table: A narrative perspective’ by Amanda Worrall

The voices in my head | Eleanor Longden

Mental Health Under Late Capitalism

Auto-Immune Illnesses + Narcissism | Dr. Gabor Mate’

Outline of Theoretical Psychology: Critical Investigations - Thomas Teo

Narrative Practice: Continuing the Conversations - Michael White

Narrative and Psychotherapy - John McLeod

Understanding Gregory Bateson: Mind, Beauty, and the Sacred Earth - Noel Charlton

Steps to an Ecology of Mind : Collected Essays in Anthropology, Psychiatry, Evolution and Epistemology - Gregory Bateson

Postmodernism is not identity politics

What does social construction really mean?

Jordan Peterson doesn’t understand postmodernism

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"Kill Yourself!"

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"The therapist is washing Jordan B Peterson's feet" -Chris, Jordan Peterson Won't Go To Therapy

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"If you see me at the Jordan Peterson Era's Tour: No you didn't" -Will, Jordan Peterson Won't Go To Therapy

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"there's jazz therapist, there's pro therapist, and jordan peterson, who are all collectively my therapist."

- chris dunne, chris dunne won't go to therapy: session ii

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