#lily orchard doesn't know how abuse works

[trappedinthewalls]

I know I shouldn't be reading the Poppy and Zena vs Noehflake drama tabloids people have been maintaining here, cause it's a bunch of Internet toxicity that does absolutely nothing for my mental health (same thing with the Lily Orchard bullshit), but it's definitely a train wreck effect. Gossip, drama, shitty behavior. It's all gross and I shouldn't be paying attention to it. But drama is a drug.

That being said, having read the Poppyamory documents put up by @poppyandzena I have some thoughts. This is all speculation because I can't read people's minds. I can never know what's actually going on inside someone's head or personal life. I can only guess.

Poppy engages in a rather odd combination of covert and overt abuse. It's very strange to read about. She whines and complains about all the emotions she has in hopes that she'll guilt trip her partners into coddling her and capitulating to her whims, and when that doesn't work she turns into a raging bitch.

Poppy does not want partners. She does not want polyamory.

What she wants is a harem of mommies and nurses and therapists she can vomit emotions all over and fuck. People she can control and use to boost her own ego.

Or maybe even more simply, she wants more Zenas. One isn't enough to satisfy her hunger for power and sex. I can only imagine how long it took her to mild Zena into the perfect enabler, but apparently she thinks that because she did it once, she can just keep doing it.

Is Zena completely innocent in this? Absolutely not. They're manipulative and cruel and as much of a self center prick as Poppy is. But given the lengths they go to micromanage Poppy' so-called partners (aka victims) so that they'll comply with Poppy's abhorrent behavior, I can't help but feel like Zena is always on a knife's edge. They act responsible for Poppy's entire life. They're like a helicopter parent that tells the teachers they're not allowed to give their child a bad grade because their child can't handle anything but praise and worship every moment of every day. But they're behaving that way for their supposed partner. Someone who is like twice their age by the way.

This behavior is not normal.

It gives very "when I say don't worry about me I mean worry about me" vibes. I'm all too familiar with that. Or at least my sibling is.

Unless it's casual, a relationship should be a partnership. Something you share. Not something one party is forced into to bend to the will of another person for...what, not being alone? Self worth?

Being alone is better than being someone's emotional footstool. Don't date people online unless it's temporary until you can meet them for your first actual date. Go outside and meet people in real life. And know you deserve to be happy as long as it's not at the expense of someone else.

[melishade]

This is more of a PSA announcement if anything. A warning of people you should DNI. Like at all! Because this situation is getting so fucking ridiculous the longer I learn about this shit.

There was this Youtuber that I followed: Lily Orchard. I used to follow her for years. I started following her...between the fourth and fifth season of My Little Pony Gen 4. So since I was in high school. I followed her for at least a decade. I looked up to her and her work for years and thought she was a good role model.

I was wrong.

I've heard rumors about some of the accusations and chose to ignore it when I was younger, thinking it was slander. But it wasn't true. I had actually found out about all the shit she's done just a few months ago from @asunnycoffee and it is absolutely horrid. I mean there's:

Racism Sexism Homophobia Transphobia Brownfacing Lying Support of slavery through her written fanfics Grooming of her fans (BTW she's thirty) Stalking Harassment Hard Implications of Incest in her work Manipulations Gaslighting Emotional abuse Mental Abuse Complete and utter narcissism of this bitch. And so much more that I'm certain one of it could violate some international law.

She's like a fake liberal Catilyn Jenner. But as far as I know, Jenner didn't fucking molest her sister. Because that's exactly what Lily Orchard did to @pleasetiemyshoe AKA Courtney Orchard.

I can't believe I actually looked up to her I feel so fucking sick

Now because I am new to this and really just an outsider perspective learning about this, I'm going to botch any and all explanations of this in detail. Luckily there is a masterpost of all the shit that Lily Orchard has done in detail. https://www.tumblr.com/lily-orchard-gossip-blog/692978295298572288/a-quick-summary-of-lily-orchard?source=share

And there are a bunch of trigger warnings to this and it will be in the tags if you cannot handle it. That is fine to avoid.

But instead of Lily, ya know, owning up to her mistakes and possibly explaining her side of the story, she's done nothing but double down and accuse everyone that come out to expose her for her shit behavior as 'stalkers', 'TERFs', 'Racists' (even though she's fucking brownfacing. Which by the way, fuck her. I already deal with blackfacing enough as it is and she wants to appropriate a culture for views. GOD WHY DID I LOOK UP TO HER WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!) She will slander anyone that doesn't agree with her and do everything in her power to destroy them. And she will use her fanbase to do so. If the fans so much as harass, slander, misgender, and tell people to off themselves that have critiqued Lily in the past, she does nothing. She lets this shit happen. And usually when a creator or a person of power doesn't say anything to stop their fans from doing heinous actions, it's basically giving permission to the people to fucking do it. A perfect example of this is how Trump weaponized his own people to attack the US Capitol.

And it's not just Orchard. It's also her wife Mikaila Orchard, and a former ex now friend, Ginger. Both have followed Orchard's behavior, refused to call her out on anything and have also actively used their platforms to harass people that Orchard deems as an enemy.

And I wish I was fucking joking about any and all of this fucking nonsense, and if I'm wrong I would take it all back! But there are so many people who've come out against her and explained how much of a shit person she is including:

@as8bakwthesage (BTW check out their art it is lovely. And Sage I'm on a transformers forum if you want to join. We have fun.)

@britts-galaxy-brain

@asunnycoffee (A sweet delight. Who's 18, BTW! So Orchard is not above harassing fucking teenagers! And she's not above grooming them either!)

@opinated-user

@pleasetiemyshoe (Her sister. She also posts pictures about cats. But the stuff she talk about with her sister gets really fucking intense. Proceed with caution.)

@glyphosatesolarize

@thetimelordbatgirl

@lily-orchard-gossip-blog

Lizzy Orchard (Which in summary, was Orchard former girlfriend. Orchard claimed Lizzy abused her when really it was the other way around. Lizzy was harassed and bullied off of tumblr and Orchard took her last name which is weird because why the hell would you take the last name of your abuser.

Blake (Lily threatened violence on Blake's fiancee)

Josh Scorcher (An MLP fan. He and Lily used to be friends and there was a fallout)

Patch (IDK if Patch is on tumblr or not)

Poppy and Zena

And that's from what I can remember! That's over ten people that is ringing out warning signs to avoid Orchard at all costs. If it was one person, I'd be skeptical. But 10?! 10! That should be enough to avoid her at all costs! Another perfect example of this situation is when 30 women came out against Cosby and said he SA'd them. Again, when it is multiple people telling different stories that come to the same conclusion, then it's not something that you can deny.

Orchard is a terrible, human being, and you need to avoid her at all costs, and Mikaila and Ginger. These are the names of the channels you should avoid (because sometimes she'll use other people to spy on accounts that critique her and make alt accounts herself to spy on others and make herself look better:

lily-orchard mikaila-orchard lily-orchard-fanart sucky-boi (an alt account) lexyr-kryo (not an alt of Orchard, but the user misgendered Sage and I don't take kindly to that) ginger-snap-talkin-nonsense (Gringer has been known to harass Sunny, who is 18) So block those accounts and follow the others that I mentioned above. Please boost this post as much as you can to help other people avoid them. Although there will be some heavy stuff in some of those accounts, so please proceed with caution. also there's evidence that she wrote an incest story called Stockholm

[lily-orchard-gossip-blog]

One of the most disturbing things about Lily’s abusive behavior is that she refuses to allow her victims to have even a MOMENT of fucking peace from her. You might have not seen this, but just a week or so ago LO and some of her fans reblogged one of Opal’s old asks to Lily in order to attack and harass her again. Which, unsurprisingly, has resulted in Opal getting flooded with violent harassment and death threats from LO’s stans AGAIN.

From this, I think that its very clear to see that Lily delights in terrorizing her victims, no matter how long ago their alleged slights against her were. She’s still talking about Lizzy, she’s still talking about Cypher, she’s still fucking talking about Brittany, etc.. She will NEVER leave any of her victims alone, and I think that this is also a very good reason for as to why so many LO critical blogs (such as this one) are still talking about her. Because Lily herself REFUSES to stop her abuse and violent harassment of ANY of her victims, no matter how much time has passed. She is an extremely angry, very bitter person who lock herself in her apartment all day shitting on queer/diverse media, and so she has absolutely ZERO fucking incentives to work on or improve any of these deeply abusive, self—destructive behaviors about herself. And unless she is deplatformed, Lily Orchard will KEEP on doing this to more and more people, which is why it is so fucking vital that people try to at least hold her ACCOUNTABLE in the meantime. For her violent, abusive actions towards her victims online, among many, MANY other things (hopefully) until that fucking happens!

I hope Opal is alright!

I don't know what possessed Lily to do that (outside of cruelty and spite), but Opal doesn't deserve it.

The fact that Lily won't receive any consequences for her actions towards others is particularly infuriating.

[thetimelordbatgirl]

The thing about Lily Orchard's hatred of Hunter is that she exposes how she is a shitty critic and has no actual understanding of storytelling. Lily goes on and on about replacing Hunter with Lilith or the coven heads. Bruh how do you not comprehend the purpose of Hunters inclusion? Lilith was meant to show the Clawthorne sisters going in two different directions, the lengths Lilith was going to undo her mistake and Belos using her situation to manipulate and lie to her. The coven heads are just the heads of the covens and some of them are following Belos for big promises of paradise and others have seen through his lies and tried to rebel. Belos is a good villain but is pretty flat/boring as the standard "tyrant that's a total douche and must be stopped" like yeah you love to hate how much of a douche he is but its still kind of just not super engaging. Hunter exists for several reasons 1. Showing how Belos abuses the kid he claims as his nephew really hammering in how horrible he is 2. We know Belos is HORRIBLE but he really lacks any depth that makes him interesting which kind of just makes him a boring tyrant. Hunter's inclusion is important in order to show the deeper motivations behind Belos's plans without excusing Belos in any way. Rather than just making him an evil tyrant there is a story about a rift between him and his "brother" that drove him to who he became and he doesn't want to let go of his brother but also wants to mold him into whatever Belos wants him to be and hates when they all "choose to betray him". There's a story about Hunter trying to decide who he is/wants to be despite what he is and his creation. Lily seems to basically just label Hunter as some kind of Zuko knockoff when only half his story is the whole "Kid close to the tyrant switches sides" and the other half is actually a story of identity and Hunter figuring out what he is, who he is, who he wants to be, who he chooses to be. Lilith can't do that she wasn't a creation of Belos. The coven heads can't do that, their whole role is that they are the head witches that have fallen for Belos's lies, some of them realized this and rebelled and some of them believed him showing how the head witches had fallen for his big promises of paradise despite Belos plans to kill them all. These characters don't have the same roles that Lily likes to claim they do.

I mean, she's been exposing she's a shitty critic for a long time, so like, this is just adding to why she is a shitty critic and why she has zero understanding of how writing in shows/movies work.

Honestly, she fails to understand Lilith's character no matter what. Like, she acts like S2 gave her a rewrite but like....no??? That was literally her character developing and wanting to redeem herself for what she did to Eda. Like, she was willing to deal with Belos while Luz rescued Eda from the ceremony. She literally is STILL showing side effects of what the coven made her into when she keeps trying to please people to extreme degrees. Hell, it was argued Eda and Lilith almost serve as foils of what could have happened to Phillip and Caleb. Like, the show handles her writing really well and to suggest we replace Hunter with her makes zero sense. How the hell would Hunting Palisman work with Lilith??? How would Hollow Mind work with Lilith??? Like, does Lily not consider this at all a problem with her ideas??? Like, the fact that she acts like its simple that Hunter can be just replaced with either Lilith or even one of the coven heads- assuming she doesn't mean Raine, Darius, Eberwolf, Terra and Adrian- makes it obvious she isn't paying attention at all and just wants to act like she can do the show better with her half-baked ideas just so she can get rid of Hunter on the basis off he's boring according to her.

Honestly, I'd disagree with the Belos thing a little. He isn't completely boring. He does have the whole commentary of how people acted back in his time with witches and his actions show that, right down to assuming he'd be a witch hunter general upon returning to the human realm. And the way he acts with Luz is pretty much assuming he's saving his fellow human from the witches but when he sees she won't accept his deal, he tries to kill her because he thinks the witches have corrupted her, just like they corrupted his brother. Like, he does have some interesting elements to him and like you said, Hunter helps that a little as we see the lengths Belos' was willing to go just to try and control his brother in some sense, because Belos' cant dare to think its him in the wrong, not Caleb or the various Grimwalkers or Hunter. Every single action he justifies as him being the hero in some sense, when in reality, he's the villain.

But that is true with Hunter having to decide who he is. Like, we've seen ever since Hollow Mind, he's still unsure on who he is and has been doing research on Grimwalker's even. Like, he has a plot going for him, but again....Lily can't stand the idea that he's redeemed himself even, so like, are we surprised she can't take the idea he has a plot? I mean, you know that, I know that about how Lilith and the coven heads cant fill the same plot Hunter does....but as we all know, she's pretty much in favor of skipping Hunter episodes, so uh, no surprise she just assumes she's right in what she says about replacing Hunter in episodes. Wait since Hunter's in King's Tide, does that mean she'd recommend skipping King's Tide now too?