#lol being the third wheel in anon discourse is kinda funny...

[bleue-flora]

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i feel like i should clear up some of the confusion i've created. yeah, you'll rarely see an c!inniter outright stating that c!dream is a p3dophile, but that's not what i was talking about. i'm talking about people who push creepy shipper-ish content on c!discduo, but pretend it's not shipper-ish at all. funny thing is i NEVER said the word "c!inniters" in the anon message, but you somehow knew it was abt them and got so defensive. i constantly see c!inniters' designs of c!discduo where c!tommy looks like a prepubescent child (also them calling c!tom "child-sized") and c!dream is like three times taller than him and looks like he's preying on c!tommy. i constantly see c!inniters making edits to songs with obvious romantic/sexual undertones and then saying "that's not a ship" as if that's going to fix anything. i see c!inniters all the time making nasty posts about how c!dream wants to own tommy, to put him in prison, to make him his "trophy", to force him to act like a "little brother" or "protégé" or even a "pet", all under the guise of it being "canon c!dream creepiness". claiming that "all c!inniters would find this bad and would never agree" is pretty stupid - on innnitblr the most popular interpretation of c!discduo is the one where c!dream is obsessed with c!tommy and is his literal stalker. i see takes all the time about c!dream being "delusionally obsessed with c!tommy and wanting to own him", and just because these people claim they don't ship them doesn't normalize their takes or take away the weird creepy subtext from it. i literally remember someone from dreblr recently getting harassed anonymously with questions like "but you do think exile is grooming, right? right??? you're not one of those freaks who denies that c!dream is a creepy stalker and a groomer to c!tommy, right? right??? you know c!dream only wants c!tommy, and to own him, and to torture him for fun" - people in our fandom has this problem of weird views on c!dream and his relationships with other characters, but, this problem is especially acute for c!inniters, which makes sense since c!dream is so important to c!tommy's story and has caused him terrible emotional trauma. some people are downright malicious about it, others just can't accept that their blorbo isn't the center of the universe for everyone, so they buy into the c!dream-is-obsessed-c!tommy interpretation and spread that mess further, it's stupid to deny this problem

the tadca tag was almost entirely c!discduo ship-content, but still, i know a lot of people who got harassed by c!inniters for criticizing the tag. some c!inniters called that tag a warning about the "dark but canon parts of exile", but it was 99% c!dream preying on c!tommy in a psychological horror manner, trying to own c!tommy, being possessive of c!tommy, forcing c!tommy to do weird stuff for him, etc. you guys should understand that not all darkshippers admit to being darkshippers or even acknowledge it inside themselves lmao

i wrote that anonymous message out of bad emotion, so i apologize for causing trouble for you, flora :|

yup... once again reminding me to stay in my lane, because I get frustrated as it is just reading fanfics with that kinda mentality...

I just wanted to add, that to be fair, based on what you said, I assumed and talked about innitors so even if you didn't say it, I kinda did and so anon likely got that assumption from me, even if neither of us were really trying to say all or even the majority of innitors blatantly talk about Dream being some sexual predator. Like you said, it's subtext and not outright said, what we were more or less saying is that there is a widespread majority innitor mindset that Dream is obsessed with Tommy in a creepy way and that is often coupled with sexual predator themes. Like if you make a point to emphasize Tommy as some little kid that Dream is so obsessed with, which is commonplace in the innitor community from art to analysis to fanfiction, than that is kinda automatically implying predator vibes even if not expressed explicitly.

But anyways, my point was, I'm not trying to be the fiction police or judge on morality or whatever, it's not my place and I don't really care, but implying these things are canonical in an way is what really bothers me and where I draw the line. Like despite a popular trope, Quackity and Sam are not discussed and analyzed as canonical saing Dream in prison, and I think it's high time that innitors too learn to separate their dark alternate version of lore from the actual story... hence my suggestion for - t![character]

To anyone wanting some evidence for why Dream isn't obsessed with Tommy, here are some other posts on that - <> <> <>