#loremaker sol

[dispatches-from-the-lorecord]

The final battle of Gauntlet Crystal has a lot of fun lore

[February 2, 2023, second part of this conversation]

{Sol:}

I don't look back fondly on my GC fic

like, at all :Kappa: I was a shit writer back then

but I'm slightly entertained by how I handled the Mt. Silver confrontation

I think I remember it also being the most fun part of writing the fic for me

{Haji:}

Aww but I enjoyed those :tppAYAYA:

{Sol:}

like I still remember "how do I explain OG Red's party? well..... the Pal Park exists, doesn't it."

and then just came up with the idea of having it be bullshit summoning because leftover voice powers

which I think really added to the final boss feel lol

still looking back at anything before the final 2 chapters makes me instantly cringe

{Krizste:}

reading my own writing regardless of how good/ i genuinely like it/ etcit makes me uncomfort..

you can see that with many of my earlier comics, they have no dialogue

the idea of g.red being a red vessil or red reborn is cool as

like, in a way that it want like that

liek being just some kid baring vauge likedness to a Ledgend(tm) while growing up in a cult space. wit hnothing special about him

but then people make it happen

{Haji:}

Found [the start of the second Red battle]

Also this conversation which is still hilarious 😂

{Mitzi:}

i remember reddo’s team wasn’t even healed for, like, the initial battle

{Sol:}

I'm still so mad I missed this

the chat reaction was HYSTERICAL

everyone celebrating after a day of trying to beat Redo, and then M4 is just like OH YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE :MingLee:

legit the fucking funniest shit

{Trollkitten:}

That reminds me of the exact moment in Anni Crystal when we witnessed Evan beating Lance for the first time... we were announced as the Champion... and then Lance threw us a curveball by saying that there's another Champion to fight... and then Azure appeared on the screen

I was literally dancing around my room

Later on I gave the devs a moderate chewing out for letting us believe Azure was dead, but that's another story

{Krizste:}

'no fucking way :Jebaited: '

hahaha

{Sol:}

HAHAHAHAHA

{Newbie:}

"why do i hear boss music still?"

{Krizste:}

why is the boss music getting more intense?

{Mitzi:}

red’s gotta be on, like, the bottom 5 hosts i’d want to suddenly pop into existence behind me for a battle

{Sol:}

tfw my 2nd phase is a downgrade in difficulty

{Krizste:}

like the final battle in sv?

:Kappa:

{Sol:}

true.....

{Newbie:}

host powercreep 😦

{Sol:}

I just like how "only on TPP" the Mt. Silver twist was

Azure was neat but any hack could've pulled that stunt

{Trollkitten:}

Well, to be fair, it hit different for TPP because we were all experiencing the game at the same time and were all producing lore and headcanons and such, so we all got the reveal at the same time and it felt that much more special because we were NOT expecting that

{Sol:}

yeah I know

{Krizste:}

what would [Red0′s] glitch possession look like? the vertical bars from supposed drowning?

were there more glitches?

i need to know for science :Kappa:

{Sol:}

uhhh considering the MissingNo. in his party there was a lot of item duplication :Kappa:

{Krizste:}

:Kappa: wow bottomless goods, that sounds like a fun one

the joke of 'place all your stuff in the tray' and then he... places..... all the stuf...

the stuf...

the red thing was def something

(was not there, clealry )

but its easy to see,its ya ledgend man himself-

but also

ya just beat up ya previous hostman

no sprite changes, no cutsceane

ya accedentalyl talk to him again

get a rematch

but then its not a rematch

{Sol:}

:HYPERRACC:

{Krizste:}

its an absulte fliparound gitpunch from the left

even tho u and him are standing right there

the relisation point is so late in it... the hostmans got the same name, only when the mon comes out its a big frikken woah

{Sol:}

it's da redster

....2?????

{Krizste:}

red: the redvenge, the.. redcoming...

{Trollkitten:}

The Reddening

The RetREDing

{Krizste:}

you think your red isnt red? think aga-

{Haji:}

@Krizste Well one idea [about how Red0′s glitch possession would look] floating around at the time is... Complicated 😂

{Krizste:}

armoured with//.... rhydons?

innnnnnnnnterestingor

whatever it is

[squints]

{Haji:}

It's a pair of Rapidash heads

Lemme see...

{Mitzi:}

the assmodeus armour, or somesuch. terderrer’s, i think.

{Haji:}

So the concept started as this

Led to this

From this

And when Wikstrom had Red's team in GX and the other E4 got the teams of the Gauntlet kids we all knew it was just a model thing to get around host cameos

Which led to this

{Krizste:}

Ah, tis the joys of creation

{Haji:}

Development :VoHiYo:

{Krizste:}

the asmodius red is... shirtless? :

:^o

{Haji:}

Rereading the passage in the fic, I think it's supposed to be Mewtwo so it looks bare

Mewtwo chest plate kind of thing

{Krizste:}

i thaught mewtwo jjust has its peccs out

:^>

{Haji:}

Oh yeah. Dippy is totally questioning his life choices right now after being forced to fight this thing. Sorry, I should say Dippy has long been questioning the Voices' choices and may not know if he can win, just hopefully not die 8D;;

Because seriously, this is what happened to the last host with our "help" 😂

And sifting through memories, came across this again. :tppAYAYA:

-snort- oh no, I just had the image of N introducing herself to the pair and RedO being a little leery of adults (because just about every adult he knows has been fairly shitty and wanting to befriend him is usually because they want something) and then she brings out Gavvy and RedO's like curious and creeps over to get a better look. See? Friendly. And Dippy explains how it's actually a relative of Vileplume so maybe RedO should let Blank out. 83

{Krizste:}

wouldnt dippy get worried about himself when seeing this?

what if they fuck him up too?

{Haji:}

I'd think so

Because he wins, and then what? What happens when they're through with him? Thankfully nothing.

He's kind of the same man of the group keeping the crazy of the other GKids in line

I have this adorable hc that after rescuing Red0, Dippy got him into garden therapy and in later years, Red0 runs a small farm with his Pokemon. :tppAYAYA:

{Krizste:}

oh sweet my gardener red pin fits!

{Haji:}

Yes XD

{Tranzi:}

gauntlet red is a gardener kid who never got to experience the voices like og red did and this is why he's mentally stable and not permanently nonverbal ;-;

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[dispatches-from-the-lorecord]

What Gauntlet Red looks like, and how the glitches kicked him in the face

[February 2, 2023]

{Krizste:}

anyone know of any arts/ visual design things for gauntlet red?

oh yeah theres that white hat i uded on the pin

{Tranzi:}

From what I know, he just wears lots of white stuff. The sprite on Run Status got changed to something else a bit ago but it used to be exactly what I said.

{Krizste:}

yeaah i found a whit sprite of his

i def referenced that for his pin bc i gave him a white hat.

was confused where the hat came from since his current runbar sprite has a red hat, lol

{Tranzi:}

I think we were gaslit by that sprite change.

{Krizste:}

uhohgvcftcrrcghvhgvt

white hat red doesnt exist. white hat red is a figment of your imagination

reds always have red hats, you fool

'what about ceecee?'

ceecee doesnt exist

fool

'waht about-'

no reds have green hats, you fool, green hats are luigis

{Tranzi:}

Oh no.

{Krizste:}

or pepes

{Haji:}

I mean, I drew one for him but I think most have him in a white vest instead

like so

Okay I'm spamming at this point, but I forgot about this piece and it's cool

Also this may be hard to see but due to Kelcyus deleting their account, the bottom row has the gauntlet kids

{Krizste:}

ehes worn both black and white! stunning lad

@Haji is yours meant to look like hes wearing lipstick? cus i dig it

{Haji:}

Knowing him? Very well could be :tppWowee:

{Krizste:}

tis but the nature of nature!

coolkid

..i dont really like my pin of him..

oihyvgctrfy

hes got the hairbanana before pk got the hair banana

{Haji:}

Ooh~

{Krizste:}

got metal tiped workgloves or gardening gloves. he has gardener vibes

lo

his flat cap was a mistake, my brain was farting so bad when drawing his hat, i wrangled with it so much (within the speedy time i was trying to get though these)

but its cute

g.red if he wasnt in a cult right here

garnening boy

would b good friends with dippy

{Haji:}

So one of the things about Gauntlet Red is there's two main branches of lore. 1) that this is a reset timeline and Red has a chance to change things. 2) The kid isn't even named "Red", he's grown up in the Cult of Helix and was told he was going to be the next Red and bring the second coming of Lord Helix and whatnot and somewhere along the line, he said fuck dat shit. He was one of those kids who went off the deep end into full rebel nature after getting away from the church to a dangerous point

{Sol:}

in my lore the latter angle led to straight up possession :Keepo:

{Haji:}

At the end, we were given free time to do Glitchmancy (there had been a patch in place before HoF) and we're told the game would either end when the timer ran out or we crashed the game.

.... We crashed the game :tppWowee:

{Trollkitten:}

I think this was inevitable for us

Just like it was inevitable that AshGrey was going to be massively derailed by chat

{Mitzi:}

they gave chat a challenge. what did they expect to happen

{Haji:}

And yeah, as Sol said, that was one idea to what happened after the crash. Red was checking out the glitches off the coast of Cinnabar, we ran into a wild Tentacool and I think the crash was caused by our Ditto, but I'm not sure. Either way, lore said he either lost out to the glitch and got possessed / corrupted or he drowned. Possession seemed WAY more likely when we did the Mt. Silver battle in Crystal where we fought Red0 and then suddenly he got replaced by original Red so Dippy had to take on both of them

{Sol:}

Cooltrainer is one of the most volatile things in Gen 1

it was inevitable :Kappa:

{Krizste:}

corruption ehh?- wow it just went white huh

just frikkin caput

{Haji:}

Yup! Just like that, he was gone :tppSpinarak:

{Krizste:}

just leavbing screancap here bc boy does this come and go like capow

{Mitzi:}

gen 1 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dispatches-from-the-lorecord]

The rarely-sighted non-complete-disaster Red

[January 29, 2023]

{Mitzi:}

anyway my current lore read on dolly and parker is that they’re yet another pair of cici/evan and xena/azure counterparts, but for once their life isn’t terrible

wholesome beans that finally get a happy ending

{Krizste:}

theyre just lil beans going around and probably selling choccies for charity or something without care.

{Mitzi:}

a world where evan’s kindness finally, finally survived

{Sol:}

Parker in the extremely small list of Reds that didn't have fucked up lives

{Krizste:}

(including official reds, even)

{Sol:}

who else is even in that list

Kay turned out pretty alright despite the whole street rat thing

he's also like, the most competent Gen 1 host by far lmfao

{Newbie:}

what about the RGB race host?

Barry or somehting

{Haji:}

Basil. Or Bee

{Newbie:}

that's it

{Mitzi:}

given how he treats his competitors, maybe not

{Newbie:}

...i see

{Sol:}

yeahhhhh

[dispatches-from-the-lorecord]

Forrest, and why the Voices are fighting all their former hosts

[January 16, 2023]

{Mitzi:}

mitzilore update: am now pretty sure racc and vw2r are in the same universe. building the timeline from there

i'm... about 70% certain forrest's Deal is that he's coming back to the hosts' world to shove their hypocrises in their faces. i just don't know, like, any of the details of that

{Sol:}

"Developer intent" (basically just from me) was for VW2R to be our revenge against Unova after RB2 so uh

make of that detail what you will

{Trollkitten:}

Kek

But yeah, I can see eventually some of the friendlier glitches realize that the Voices are hardly on the moral high ground and really need to have their hubris answered for

Still... Forrest did fight an awful lot of former Hosts, so if that was his intention, he probably did a decent job of it

{Newbie:}

if VW2R and RaCC take place in the same universe... you mentioned before the idea of RaCC taking place in a "dream world". would that still be the case, and does that make VW2R part of the dream realm as well? :RaccAttack:

{Mitzi:}

it’s more that chacrys was definitely a dream, so that’s what i defaulted to for racc

racc, now… i think it’s where the voices (and their hosts, who are just voices off doing their own thing) materialised or whatever after they punched arceus in the face and rebooted the multiverse

teeny little protoworld, really no more than a potentiality nexus. fortunately the voices are omnipotent

the hosts start calling it the memoryworld. making it a monument to the old multiverse, and stuff

the voices just wait until they have enough of a map to do a pokemon journey, and then they do that

but after racc… they rapidly get bored

and so they go exploring

fast forward to vw2r, when the voices come crashing back into the memoryworld

riding a glitch, and screaming about how the hosts have fucked up

… don’t ask me how yet, but it’s got sth to do with the overarching plot of s9… whatever that is