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pttucker · 11 months
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Yoo Joonghyuk remained calm and spoke his piece. "All of your schemes were to destroy Kim Dokja." [Why do you think that? Do you have any reasons to believe that's the case?] "Maybe I do. Maybe I do have a pretty good reason." This Constellation, holding a mysterious animosity towards Kim Dokja, and at the same time, didn't exist in the 'original work', just like him. Yoo Joonghyuk had been chasing after this Constellation for a long time. And he had finally reached the answer to his pursuit in this very moment. "Secretive Plotter. Are you the 'Kim Dokja' from the future?"
I KNEW IT!
I freaking knew it!!!
All the way back when I was first reading the webcomic, I thought this guy was maybe a future/alternate Dokja. I didn't even have a tag for him yet!
Okay, actually, I have a couple of different theories by now, more on that in a moment.
Anyway, Secretive Plotter immediately made me suspicious right from the very start due to him seeming to just know what Dokja was planning at times. Like, he figured stuff out so quickly, he'd be smiling so knowingly or congratulating Dokja's plots while the other constellations were still scratching their heads over what was going on, like he knew exactly what Dokja was thinking. Or at least the way that Dokja thought. And then Dokja made a weird, completely out of nowhere comment about him being Fable-grade and Secretive Plotter being Fable-grade. Ahhhhhhh.
And then everything that's happened more recently, with us seeing that Secretive Plotter has access to alternate dimensions (alternate versions of ORV) and that Dokja has versions of TWSA in his library that he doesn't remember. Not to mention that both Joonghyuk and Dokja haven't actually been able to see what Secretive Plotter (or Joonghyuk's sponsor) look like, even when they're standing right before him.
Which, on the topic of looks... the Sooyoung of the 1863rd had a blurred out face when she encountered Sooyoung of this dimension. Just like Dokja. Which makes me begin to wonder if "our" Dokja actually isn't from this dimension and that's why he's never appeared in any regressions for this Joonghyuk. I'm actually wondering if Secretive Plotter is the Dokja that's supposed to be in this dimension whereas our Dokja got pulled through from somewhere else.
And, well, okay, it's not actually been confirmed (or denied) yet so Joonghyuk could still be wrong. Dokja himself tried to name Secretive Plotter and was kinda brushed off on being incorrect.
But it makes so much sense.
But, if Joonghyuk does turn out to be wrong, I think that it's flipped: Secretive Plotter is future/alternative Joonghyuk and Oldest Dream (who I presume is Joonghyuk's sponsor) is future/alternative Dokja.
Which I think is just as likely, in different ways? Maybe more likely? Especially as we're getting more into their emotions and their abilities and how they see both themselves and each other. Like, Plotter maybe doesn't immediately make me think of Joonghyuk (if anything it makes me think maybe Sooyoung instead but more on that in a second) but Joonghyuk isn't an idiot completely incapable of it. But more than that, someone who's a plotter is at least active in the story. More active than, say, a dreamer. And we just got through the scenes that emphasized that Joonghyuk does while Dokja watches.
But more importantly, I'm thinking back on how Secretive Plotter was giving Dokja crap for dying for his companions, specifically saying that maybe they wanted to die with him. And while Dokja did feel guilty because of that and thought that he'd overridden their wishes, that's not generally how Dokja thinks. At the end of the day, even if he feels bad about it, even if the person wants to die, 10 out of 10 times Dokja will choose to save those around him. Especially if it's Joonghyuk. So, who among the cast would most think that being forced to live when they wanted to die with everyone else is a curse? Who among the cast gifted Dokja a story titled "Hell of Eternity"? Hmmm?? Also, Secretive Plotter says more than just that in their original conversation:
[ Using those who should've died, changing the world line, hurting everyone and reaching the ending you desire… what is the meaning?] The empty eyes of the shadow were shining. An eerie chill went down my spine. [ No matter what you do or what story you make, you can't truly reach them. ]
...idk maybe it's just me but that sounds more like something a Joonghyuk who got to the end and hated it would say. Especially since Dokja's been going on about how TWSA doesn't necessarily end happily and that Joonghyuk saved the world but gave up the world to get it. We just got done with Joonghyuk saying that he became the Regressor and lost himself entirely, something which Dokja has only managed to pull him back from and which was easier because this is only the 3rd round.
And I've thought that Secretive Plotter wanted Joonghyuk dead in the other universe because he hated him and has beef with Oldest Dream but Dokja has shown time and time again that he will not kill Joonghyuk and that it's Joonghyuk who wants to die and so maybe Secretive Plotter is mad because Dokja didn't let Joonghyuk rest. In fact, giving Joonghyuk neverending life in a well-meaning attempt to save him might be the exact sort of thing that Dokja would do if he became a constellation and got a regression stigma...
And then that would make total sense for Joonghyuk's sponsor trying to be hands-off and even wanting him to step away from Dokja and be more proactive. He's both guilty and leery of himself (both versions of himself).
Ughhhhhh but also so much of that would make sense if it was flipped too and Dokja was Secretive Plotter and Joonghyuk was Oldest Dreamer! Like, even without getting into his beef with Oldest Dream, if Dokja is Secretive Plotter, and he's seen the end of the novel (which our Dokja has) and has gradually felt more and more guilty and like he's trampling on people for his version of the story (which our Dokja has) then it might also make sense that he knows it's for the best that Dokja kills Joonghyuk. And when Dokja denied him, he decided it was time to get rid of him...and as we've learned Dokja is very willing to kill Dokja.
And that's just seeing both of them a more generous light. If Oldest Dream and Secretive Plotter are from a universe where Joonghyuk and Dokja split for good then a bunch of this stuff can be seen in a different light (and still work for either or). Like, is it a coincidence that Joonghyuk is calling out Secretive Plotter right after he and Dokja made up?
Ahhhhhhhhh. So many interpretations! And most of it works both ways!
And I really do think that if one of them is future/alternate Dokja then the other must be future/alternate Joonghyuk because they're basically a set and that's also why I don't think Sooyoung could be either of the constellations even if she seems more like a "plotter" than Joonghyuk.
Which, actually, on the topic of Sooyoung, I've kind of flip-flopped on my theories for everybody over the course of the novel (I'm flip-flopping in this very post) and have gone back and forth with thinking Secretive Plotter or Dokja could be the author and then back and forth again but now I'm thinking, for the first time ever, that maybe Han Sooyoung is the author.
Because it's becoming obvious as time goes along that while TWSA apparently has three protagonists (another one! we're 60% in and Dokja says TWSA has a third protagonist!) I'm thinking ORV does too. And if you put them all together - author, Secretive Plotter & Oldest Dream, you have three people.
And Sooyoung has insisted that she didn't plagiarize and just because she called the novel trash doesn't really mean anything. Lots of writers don't like their works, especially their older works. (lol I would know.)
So, yeah, that's a lot of text to say current best guesses are:
Author - Sooyoung Secretive Plotter - Joonghyuk Oldest Dream - Dokja
(But really I can go either way on those last two.)
I suppose we shall see what turns out to be correct.
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siren-virus · 3 years
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ok, It's been a long while since I've sent an ask, and though that can be atributed to life being life, that can only go so far and these previeous 3 days I've been lazing around mostly XD So, in order to compensate, here's the asks for Free and SWUP that have entered my brain and I haven't filtered out yet that I'll send you. Answer as you see fit for I might send repeated questions or some that have already been aswered before in another form.
For SWUP, would SWUP (Does she have another name? I can't remember) ever try a work somewhere? She has to get money somehow if she wants to be able to buy food, clothes, a home, and pay for all the medical expences she might have to go through. What other friends would she have other than wine aunt and coffee barista? I remember you said there might be a third one who's not really relevant, but whos father is, and you were still unsure on wether to include them or not. Also, the humans in this Earth, how much do they know about aliens? The Unicorns and Dragons? I imagine that considering the amount of damage they can do when they fight, and considering that apparently their experiments on abducted humans that they leave on Earth for like a month before taking them forever, would make them fairly known, and have something like a world agency looking out for different cases or something, however succesful they actually are.
Now onto Free, Is there any chance that we could get to know of any of the friends that the rag-tag group would make along the way of the travels? Like, there HAS to be someone who they befriend without any shennanigans involved at the very least, or with minimal ammount of them, just as there HAS to be a friend made after a disaster of cataclismic proportions happens that inebitably onvolves the found family. Also, how long was Leo outside on his own before bird friend (forgot his name) found him and started to get them back to the Domes? Considering that they have a long adventure, I imagine that he spent at least a month outside without an idea of any direction he was going, and getting lost along the way because of course he gets lost, before he was found. Would the team find anyone else who was part of the Domes but left of their own volition too? Another traveler similar to Leo, but that doesn't want to return to those places for X or Y reason? Would there be anyone from the Domes that they meet that DIDN'T want to leave the Domes in the first place but got out regardless? This could be for whatever reason, from kidnapping to exhile to attack to the Dome to simply escaping from a bad situation.
oop sorry for taking a bit to get back to you,
youre questions make me realise how under developed my stories are wheeezee so i rlly appreciate your questions!!
SWUP aka Vicky her human alias. or I guess the unicorn is the alias. AH SHIT I DIDNT EVEN THINK OF THAT!! Originally when i made SWUP she was supposed to be in high school. But as i grow I also like my characters to grow with me. Maybe I'll get her a job as one of them gym buddies (it has to be a job that allows for some form of freedom, enough to like be able to do th vigialnte thing- (i forget the name) Medical expenses aren't too bad, I'm basing it off aus medical- which means medicare! Plus she doesn't need the hospital all that often, she can regenerate.
In terms of friends she doesn't have many not because she socially inept (like myself)- she was very popular in highschool, but there isn't many people she can relate to. Her best friend James (pending name) comic book nerd that loves super heroes is all she's got. And some gym bros, but they're just friends at the gym, outside complete strangers. I really do want James to be relevant to the plot and not his dad and daddy issues, but he's a bit hard to squeeze in. Maybe if I sat down to actually do some writing, maybe--- ALAS I am but a creature of laziness, and poor attention span. (im barely focusing on Flee atm and I rlly wanna try developing GECKO again fml)
Humans know little to nothing about aliens (excpet for like the government and so wackos who a really into scifi) So even though SWUP is doing her best to help ppl, she's seen as a horrifying villain that is stage one to an alien invasion. (the scifi wackos play a part in that.) Although most Police officers appreciate the help... most.
Suprisingly no, most humans who were mutated into unicorns almost seem to disappear, SWUP is an exception. Why is that hmmmmmmmm? this is kind of a big moment, if I ever plan to push this idea to the webcomic/animation stage, youll see.
There's not really an official .org agency or anything like that, but some wackos who love space, and an actual scientist or 2. So far they have deducted that unicorns are evil space creatures who prey on humans and consume their flesh to get stronger so they can lay eggs and take over the world. There's not a lot of truth to that. Some parts tho... but which part? At the moment I'm really into mystery- so maybe I'll add some mystery elements, or I'll give it to GECKO. first i gotta redesign Mac, poor lad is not a looker I'l tell you that.
FLEE I barely know their friends either- haven't gone about developing them. HOWEVER. I do have a villain in mind. I remember making him for my illustration class back in uni (sigh uni days...) I dom't have a name, but I have a face. He's a big leader of this village known for killing the hybrid/mutants. He and his crew, a rag-tag gun loving, truck driving, share-a-brain-cell, lot. How they've managed to become successful hunter bunch is unknown.
But one the friends I have developed enough is Bolt, who also comes with their own shennanigans and an old rusty bus. Techincally they don't need it because they're fast as fuck, but it helps to have around incase you get a goliath sand bobbit on your hands.
Tristian is the human, Leo is the bird friend. Actually Trisitian was out on his own for three days, he didn't cover much ground when he finally met Leo either- dumbass didn't bring enough food and water to last. He didn't even have a plan, just wanted to go out. The only reason Leo didn't send his ass running home was because something- or someone- pushed them far. far away. Oh my who could it be?
Tristians kind of a rarity, not many people leave the domes unless it's through underground passageways to other domes. Most people are blissfully unaware of the outside world. Not to say Tristians the only one who escaped, but he's the only one who's survived outside for so long. (dome people don't have any survival skills) The only reason Tristians gotten so far is dumb lucks and a hot headed bird friend.
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siren-virus · 3 years
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Questions for Flee and SWUP :D This shall be a bit short since the answers might be long depending on your mood :P
So, for Flee, we know that there are hunting communities out there, as well as a few domes, so how would the encounters be between the found family and them? I imagine that a lot would begin with violence in the beggining when they aren't yet a found family, yet they get a bit more lucky once they are (since they won't be fighting between themselves so much and actually keep an eye on Robin so she won't just steal stuff, nor let Theo (I think was his name) offend someone accidently. Poor Leo and his headaches), ofc still with the unfortunate encounter once in a while.
Now for SWUP, we know that there's a bakery/coffee shop there (facourite troupe showing up? nbd, also mine XD), so, my question would be, How many shenannigans would ensue there? Any examples? How many of them are caused by the probably weird taste of the Unicorns? The only reason I believe that they haven't been banned of the shop by the owner I imagine would be because their shenannigans would never become something destructive, or in case they are, they pay for the damages and stuff :P
Alright alright I had my fun, got a bit distracted with some... stuff.
So just for a little bit of world building here. Domes are far and few. It's rare to see one, and if you did they're very large, able to contain cities. There are some in desserts, under water, in bushland/jungles. You get my point. The people within the domes are blisfully ignorant to the outside world. What they see from the inside does not reflect whats actually outside. You'd have to know someone who knows to know what's out there.
Villages on the other hand are many in number, their sizes vary.
Both are hostile towards outsiders. Especially the hybrids. Villages are welcoming towards other humans, although caution is something you can't forget when you're living in the post apocalypse. There's always some outliers tho.
Leo, if not for the fact he's unwillingly grounded, constantly gets migranes from the pair. It's like they're both conspiring against him. Yes, Coffee shop AU's are my favourite OK? I said it. I am a sucker shit like that. I actually did an animatic portraying one of the shenannigans, which also so happened to be their first meeting, SWUP and Sara's.
https://youtu.be/N_X4Fb1i_O8 Yes I animate things besides high quality shit posts.
I hate gushy cute couply stuff. But I'll indulge in it every now and again (sigh) After the first encounter, SWUP did her best to fix what she could. she also has made a considerable effort to avoid the cafe. However, Sara, refuses to let her go a day without coffee. (working on another animatic)
I've decided to start really focusing on developing Flee as an actual concept. Maybe I work on a pilot, maybe I work on a webcomic, my adhd seems to be on my side this time. For how long? Who knows... Time to build an audience that like my OC's but first. more shit posts.
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