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#of kennit's trauma and manipulation and the end of ship of destiny is all about working through those burdens. bah
pentanguine · 2 years
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@whatevsbla @lairn​ Sorry for screenshotting, tumblr wouldn’t let me reblog
#i was also so disappointed in the way hobb just dropped wintrow at the end of the book#i think he was the character she dropped in her otherwise masterful juggling of ten? or more pov characters#i don't necessarily mind his character regression (for lack of a better word) because he's spent over a year being manipulated by kennit#and it seems like a realistic thing to have happened to him#i think his admission near the end of the book that he did believe althea but didn't want to speak out for her (and that that was cowardly)#shows a bit of him starting on an arc back toward clear-eyed judgement and kindness#but hobb doesn't show the interior dimensions of him realizing how far he's strayed from himself and resolving to do better#and that makes it feel unsatisfying and a little hollow#from the spoilers i've brushed up against in the tag i don't think wintrow comes back in subsequent books#but i think he's one of the main characters she should return to because she left him unfinished! he's still carrying the full weight#of kennit's trauma and manipulation and the end of ship of destiny is all about working through those burdens. bah#who will wintrow become when he can live fully according to his own morality? have control over his life?#love etta without being manipulated into it?#I WANT TO KNOW. i want a book about a wise pirate king who has made mistakes and learned from them and lives with them#gah!! i apologize for all the tags i'm just in love with these books#liveship traders
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redscullyrevival · 8 years
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Ship of Destiny: Liveship Traders Rundown
@sonnetscrewdriver this has been a wild ride! TW: Spoilers abound and discussion of rape follows. 
Setting/Plot/Narrative
For being my least favorite installment I do feel that this created world and it’s social/magical systems arrives at it’s most cohesive fruition in this last book, which makes sense, and I am thankful for that. 
I also found the idea that a large bulk of what was expressed and used to motivate and further the story is tossed away, or altered, by the end of the book - in the sense that Tintaglia and the reintroduction of dragons into the world along with the recognition of the Pirate Isles reorders power, society, and economy - to be a unique and interesting choice. 
Its a bit of a tricky move but it didn’t feel like “a waste” to me to have learned so thoroughly the world only for it to be rearranged at the end. It all worked towards the total theme of the series of inevitable change and response, in accepting life and taking responsibility for only what we can control. 
Or, at least, that’s the big takeaway I got!
Althea Vestrit
Fuck
Okay
We’ll... we’ll have to come back to Althea in a second.
Captain Kennit
HHHHMMMMMMMSLDKFNL:KSLDK
This fucker.
Like a lot of characters with well done tragic backstories I was rooting for Kennit. I didn’t hate him but I didn’t really like him either, you know? As I said last time he exudes the “cool motive, still murder” type of deal - Kennit is a character who the majority of the series straddles the line of never being someone who gains reader sympathy while still being recognized by the reader as a deeply damaged person not entirely of his own making. 
So I rooted for him. 
Through out the entire series Kennit gets away with a lot of stuff and I understand from a narrative perspective that him raping Althea was a choice to have him cross a line. As the reader we know he raped Althea whereas everyone around, aside from Althea and Etta, isn’t sure he is capable of it. 
Which turned into some intense fucking writing. 
Because it isn’t ‘Kennit raped Althea so now he is the bad man everyone hates and a common enemy’, no. He remains captain. He remains a hero, the pirate king, the freer of slaves. A “good man”. We know Kennit isn’t a good man, but then again we’ve known that all along. We really have. All the signs were there. What was done to Kennit was all that was left of Kennit. Paragon tried to take that pain and suffering from him, but Kennit gave the hurt he received and that’s one reality of trauma and failure to cope. Because Kennit was never coping. 
Ultimately I pitied Kennit while also accepting his actions as being abhorrent - getting angry and baring frothing teeth wasn’t my reaction. That isn’t how I react to this type of thing in narratives a lot of the time, especially with one that is trying it’s darnedest to be honest and respectable when it comes to this particular reflection of real life. 
In the chapter the rape happened, the second my eyes read it, I came to hate Kennit. And that was the right response. That’s why it was written the way it was, I believe, so as to finally push the reader into having a real solid opinion about Kennit beyond his fake persona and his personal grab for power and fame elevating others; to remove benefit of the doubt completely and say “This is not a good person” no matter what his puzzled together sob story is and no matter what he has done in the name of social and political progress. Kennit is a shitbag human. 
This series stresses, to an almost anxiety inducing degree, that people and life and situations are complex ever shifting, evolving, and decaying breathing entities. The only character who was truly stagnant and unmovable was Kennit, who hid under the guise of modernization and revolution. He had to be made irredeemable and dead. 
This is a tight narrative that doesn’t abide such a person, doesn’t let such a person survive - that’s why so much emphasis was placed on the idea of Kennit’s luck. Something had to keep him around until he finally made a change, a choice, that would actually alter him.  
To that end, I “like” the character as a device but not as an idea of a person or as a character-character. 
What’s just as cutting is that Winthrow, Vivacia, Jek, (and probably society/history) doubt Althea. It’s gut wrenchingly frustrating. And it taints those characters just as much as it paints Kennit; and entirely because we know the total truth how they don’t.  
Althea Vestrit
Phew, okay, lets try this again. 
This was some hard shit. 
Althea’s rape wasn’t the “worst” rape scene I’ve ever read and it probably won’t be the last, but what made the scene so difficult wasn’t any fucked up occupation with focusing on the physical but by focusing on the emotional and psychological confusion, terror, and exhaustion of the moment which worked to heighten the violation. I was thankful it wasn’t a long scene or I’d have to have skimmed it, and making it short was a smart choice because it gives strength to the idea that any form of unwanted physicality, no matter how briefly depicted (or in actuality), has massive repercussions. Basically it was a small mercy that we didn’t have to linger and wallow in the misery of the act to get across the wrongness of it and that’s all do to the writing.
I feel a bit bad for focusing on Althea’s rape so heavily when talking about her and when talking about Kennit because it’s kind of like “Wow, well, there is more to her than this” - but I also think that’s a thought better reserved for a real person more than a character. 
I said my reaction to this kind of thing in stories a lot of the time isn’t real true anger, and I stand by that, but come on! Obviously I get a little angry at the same time! I invest in characters and I get mad at what is done to them in-story just as much as I get mad they had something done to them because that was a choice made for the story, ya know? 
Like, sometimes the emotion is “UGH this character wouldn’t do that, why is this happening?” anger and other times it’s “UGH what is this character doing stop being a dummy (because I understand them as being capable of doing this dumb thing)” anger. And sometimes it’s both lol. I’m a mysterious woman!
Anyways, my point is that poor Althea gets a bit overshadowed by her rape but that isn’t to say I think her aftermath was handled poorly - on the contrary I was pleased with her outrage and paranoia and cunning and muddled swamp of complex reactions and fears and triumphs. 
What I can’t decide is whether my still not totally endearing myself to Althea even after all she came through is the biggest fault of the series or it’s most crowned achievement if I’m completely honest. 
Kyle Haven
Bye bitch. 
Winthrow Vestrit
This fucking kid.
I’m almost devastated that Winthrow was so enamored with Kennit but like I get it? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughghghghgh 
I love Winthrow and Etta, they have a kind of relationship I enjoy, and I guess I’m happy they’re on the mend post-Kennit? 
From Winthrow’s faulted, stunted, half-truth perspective of Kennit doubt over the man’s ability to rape makes some sense - but as the reader I felt I couldn’t allow Winthrow the grace of understanding his hesitation to believe his aunt.    
So, Winthrow was tainted by Kennit and now writing this I’m a little shocked to find I’m a little bitter about it! LOL
My sweet precious priest boy where did you go?!
sigh
Its one of those things were I respect the choice and it makes total sense and thus speaks true of the character for Winthrow to doubt Althea and only realize it possible after talking to Etta - but as a reader and fan I wish Winthrow disowned Kennit immediately so I could continue to like him as I had all along. 
sigh
I thought it hilarious Winthrow was scandalized by his sister and Reyn’s relationship though, lol, like step back and get some perspective you prude.
Keffria Vestrit
STILL THE FAVORITE!
I’m biased at this point though.
Locking down the home front by doing all she could, especially by letting go of things she didn’t want to - that’s some badass guts and fucking growth right there.
FUCK YEAH
Her struggle with how to rearrange her bedroom in tandem with her understanding of Kyle and her place in the world was brilliance.
Ronica Vestrit
My favorite spy.
I really wanted her to take Serilla under her wing and phew thankfully that kind of happened at the end - I was so worried about my girl Serilla, I’m glad her fate is tied with Ronica’s. 
Malta
Oh boy oh boy what a treat!
Malta is my hero lol
She is a lot more like her mother than she thinks - her ability to navigate social standings, to become smaller or larger as needed, and to read others and bargain comes from mama not Kyle. I hope, I really hope, she knows that. 
My little survivor.
Seriously though, Malta evolved so much faster than anyone else and proved to be much more adapt at it then anyone else. The political/social manipulation she grows to be an expert in was some of my favorite world building/scenes in the entire series. 
I love her so much. 
Reyn Khuprus
I love him too.
I’m so glad the Rain Wilder’s drop their veils and open up, I can’t wait to read more and see how that goes for them!
Reyn’s desperate search for Malta was some fun pining but the best bits was how the trip worked to better illustrate the workings of dragons and give some insight into the Elderlings and what’s in store for the future before we ever get to the bardering table.
Just a sweet, sweet dragon boy.
Vivacia
Good for her, I guess. 
Pretty apathetic to be honest lol
I don’t know why Vivacia slipped away from me, especially since she is now in a good place, her own real entity! What’s wrong with me as a reader?!
Paragon 
I’m so relieved but so upset omg
Etta
Oh baby girl I’m so so so sorry.
Etta is a really fascinating character and I really hope to see, or at least hear of her, again. She isn’t done, she has the least resolve and most open ended goodbye out of everyone and I want more of her and for her than that.
I really grew to appreciate Etta and if I was going to make a friend out of this cast of characters she and Keffria are my first picks; and I’d love if ever they got a chance to meet. They’d help each other so much. 
I wonder if their parallels are intentional as the two most influential women in Winthrow’s life? Hmm. Probably not. Both are much more interesting as they are on their own without pitting them against Winthrow; especially Etta.  
Satrap Cosgo
This fuck nugget gets no props for growing. 
Kiki redeemed herself by like a thousand and I felt for her in the end but Cosgo can suck an egg. 
Although there is a part of me that enjoyed his detached and surly attitude towards everything. 
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