#people have talked the issues w the word 'problematic' to death and i don't have anything new to add to that

[enemywasp]

OMFG A PROSHIPPER !!+! SAME BUT I HAVE TO HIDE MY IDENTITY BC EVERYONE HAS DNI PROSHIP IN BIO LIKE WHY?????

UMMMMM ..... Rant bc it's so rare to find a kindred spirit in this shitty immature ""war""

it fr just means i believe we should ship and let ship??? why is the "i don't judge u for your preferences" thing seen as bad idfk like. it's fucking fiction.

if it's problematic then I don't condone it irl. but I'm human. I have curiosities and shit. Like,, ppl don't listen to true crime bc they condone murder and ppl don't go calling true crime fans murderers. so WHYYYY is shipping any different, in fact it's b e t t e r bc at least fiction. isn't. real.

like why tf is what i ship anyone else's business??? unless it's bc we have smthn in common to bond over, why tf do ppl care abt the ships we don't have in common.

istg ship wars are crazy af and this whole pro- anti- ship shit is just another way to try to control smthn that doesn't need controlling.

it's like U said no one fucking cares abt it irl and the damn DEATH THREATS ppl get over **not giving a damn what other people ship** instead of being the fucking fandom shipper police or smthn is disgusting and i hate that im never allowed to talk abt this w/out ppl hating me and calling me a disgusting monster.

why can't I just do what I fucking want when in my own privacy while not causing any harm???

like ppl are so damn delusionalllllllll!!!!.!.!.!

-> some proshippers just mean they support any and all ships bc fiction is fiction

-> some proshippers ship "problematic" ships and that is FINE because it is NOT REAL and THEY ARE NOT HURTING ANYONE and i meannnnm ppl are curious right. they gonna explore alien concepts some way or another. why tf would ppl stop them from exploring it in a safe. healthy. fictional. harmless. way.

why is it that it's okay to consume problematic content but not okay to ship problematic ships?? literally what is the fucking difference ships are a subgenre of content.

if you think it's okay to be a fan of lotr or american psycho or some shit then it is damn hypocritical to say it isn't okay to ship something problematic. same thing if you think it's okay to stan/simp for a villain character.

it's only even called ~problematic~ bc that's how the relationship would be if it were real. which it isn't. so it isn't fucking problematic bc it's fictional content and the ppl shipping it do not condone the irl versions.

also sidenote,,, why tf are proshippers and multishippers grouped together in the dni stuff?? they are not related. a multishipper just. ships the same character w/ more than just one (1) other character. how is that problematic too?????

okay sorreryyyyyy i just have so many thoughts on this that im never allowed to share pls feel free to let this one collect dust in the inbox. or just straight up delete it lol.

Do not apologise! I love a good rant!

If you want to interact with proshippers more the tags "proshipper", "proshippers pls interact" and "proship positivity" are usually very nice and lots of wonderful people post there!

And you could always make a side account for proship stuff if you want to be able to take a break from the intense pro vs anti stuff if and when it gets too much, whilst still having a place to enjoy that stuff.

Honestly I think a lot of the issue is people seem to take the word "ship" as their ideal relationship. Less so than a dynamic they enjoy in fiction. But I don't know, I can't pretend to understand the mind of antis.

Proshippers and multishippers getting clumped together is probably linked to the idea that a ship is a pairing you want to see canon and shows actually pandering to ship wars lately. Or maybe people are just weird!

Everyone takes shipping way too seriously now and acts like a fictional pairings existence will romanticise the topic and brainwash kids. My general rule is that its for fun, who cares ?

And feel free to rant in my inbox whenever! It's always open to anyone. Glad you could get that off your chest :)

[bootlickerhawks]

7 and 16 for the hate ask game<3

7. what character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them?

... I'm gonna get sm hate for this ;w;

I will preface by saying that hate is a strong word for what I feel abt these characters and would prefer to describe it as "apathy" no I'm not saying this as a desperate measure to prevent myself from being stoned to death why would you say that

........ momo, tsuyu and kirishima...

You have to understand that I joined the fandom in 2017 and people were so fucking annoying abt these three. It was impossible to go into the tags back then and not run into posts like "You're a bad person if you dislike Tsuyu/Momo" or "It's possible to dislike Kirishima/Tsuyu" blablabla. And I'm the kind of person that if you try to shove something down my throat I will spit it back in your face just to prove a point.

I understand fans wanting to hype up their favs but I found Tsuyu and (especially) Momo to be extremely underwhelming so that behavior just turned me off. & Kirishima is bc the kiribaku fandom were a fucking menace back in the day.

Despite my feelings for them, they're all good characters that deserved better opportunities to shine (rip all the ex-naruto/class 1A fans that wanted to see the konoha 13 done right)

16. you can't understand why so many people like this thing (characterization, trope, headcanon, etc)

omg I have sm fanon gripes, I'll just list a few otherwise we'll be here all day 💀

also sorry if I offend anyone

I never understood the trend in dabihawks fics to write Hawks as the functional sane perfect emotional support bf. He is an emotionally constipated indoctrinated murder chicken with serious mommy & daddy issues, how tf does that translate to perfect bf?

*widely gesticulates at Miruko's entire character* Miruko is the perfect example of widespread fanon characterization being absolute garbage. I get the knee jerk reaction of wanting to save her from Horikoshi's questionable writing, but in the process the fandom sand down all her rough ("problematic") edges & just leave her an empty soulless sock-puppet wearing Miruko's skin. Canon Miruko doesn't have much going for her but somehow Fanon Miruko manages to be even more shallow. #sorrynotsorry

I'm gonna get flack for this but I don't like the way fandom tends to portray found family. It feels inauthentic to me, especially when dealing with dysfunctional self-destructive and emotionally constipated individuals like the LOV. Found Fam LOV used to be my jam but I've grown tired of it 😔

And speaking of the LOV.... I love Spinaraki but I don't like the way most of the fandom interprets and depicts their relationship. Spinner's fanatic devotion to Shigaraki isn't healthy. Idk if I've talked abt it on this blog before but I see a lot of parallels between Killugon (hxh) and Spinaraki.

(Incoming spoilers for hxh chimera ant arc) In both cases you have person A (Gon/Shigaraki) going down a self destructive path, fueled by self loathing and person B (Killua/Spinner) that is extremely devoted to person A but bc of their lack of self worth is unequipped to truly help them and in the process unintentionally enables them.

I'm all for witnessing unhealthy devotion in fiction, I eat that shit up. But it does make me uncomfortable when I see people interpreting it in a purely positive light.

[teethfl0wer]

I think proship stuff is complicated, because proship stands for anti harrassment against ships, but like, many people do misuse the word and it has become such a Different meaning for so many different people.

Like the original meaning is ship & let ship, not to harrass others just block or DNI, or don't talk abt the ship w said person, but like now people sort of question the meaning and misuse the word and people call ships "proships" now, which isn't correct bc proship means anti harrassment/anti censorship regarding ships, a ship cannot just... Be a proship??? Idk. There's complicated ships like stalker x victim, com ship, and dark ships which r like adult x child...

It's very hard to differentiate the meaning of proship when many people use the word different though. I personally believe it means anti harrassment, as that is what a majority of TUMBLR proship community claims it is, but tiktok proship seems to be the polar opposite and even proshippers on tiktok call ships "proships" which doesn't make sense bc if it doesn't stand for problematic ship why r you calling it a proship...???

I personally think identifying w a "anti harrassment' label is more better than saying proship bc a lot of ppl view proship as a buzz word for pedophilia and " I ship bad things!!! "

Which like... Is also complicated bc like even if someone ships questionable or problematic things, if they are marking warnings, putting it in proper tags, and not interacting with folks who don't enjoy those gross or un tasteful topics, it becomes an issue now when antis actively interact when they see someone shipping smth odd or out of the ordinary, bc anti shippers with claim they want proshippers to DNI but then they themselves will send hate to proshippers for shipping within their own little community..???

Idk I think both sides has its faults and is bad at times. I've seen a lot of anti shippers that are not knowing of the true meaning of proship, and I have seen proshippers posting screenshots of people telling them to harm themselves on anon or sending graphic threats to their straw page messages... And it's like

Both sides are awful I think we should at this point let people live and do what they want, if you ship a weird or controversial or harmful ship, stay in your own space, or don't interact w those who do not want to ship or see it...

But also, what if a proshipper is friends w an anti shipper for YEARS, and ships these things in privacy??? Idk I personally think it's unreasonable to assume someone to not be friends w someon3 for smth they do in private as well, like. If someone has a problematic ship them ship on an ALT account, and aren't showing it or forcing u to see or know of it for your own comfort and safety I think that is better than telling their friend what their into. Why does ur friend need to even know what ur into..??? Idk. Like expecting them to not be friends is stupid too???

Blah blah yada yada proship and anti shippers discourse is stupid I think, just live??? Keep your weird ships to their spaces and for God don't tell ppl to off them selves bc they drew two sisters kissing imo??? That is arguably worse than shipping it bc ur literally harrassing someone and sending death threats which is ILLEGAL lol

I like this ask but yeah I think both sides suck at times and fail to understand stuff sometimes I think it's better to not label yourself only because of drama

And I meant for the friends thing is like if you know the person is incredibly uncomfortable with proshipper stuff then idk I think if the person uncomfortable finds out about they can talk about it and decide if they're friends or not. Depends on how big of a boundarie that is for the person. Still don't know why a proshipper would want to be friends with antis imo

Anyways thanks for the ask/gen

[theghostofashton]

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