#seiba

[hydrogencrystalsulfide]

seiba collection (￣▽￣)

[derekscorner]

Fated Rantings: Seiba Part 3

Saber & Archer

I had originally skimmed over this in my Fate: Unlimited Blade Works posts but I feel that it should be its own post no matter how small it turns out.

I'll admit, while I loved Fate: UBW I also was not as invested in the story as I was with Fate/Zero or the 2006 Fate/Stay Night. I do not consider it lesser than them (if anything it's the peak adaption currently) but that did change once Saber was taken by Caster.

No, scratch that, that changed when Archer decided to kill Shirou. That battle, that exchange sucks you in. However, to my surprise, Shirou is actually quiet for a good bit of that ordeal. Oddly patient while listening to Archer explain how shit his life was due to his ideals.

What caught me off guard was that Saber engaged in the discussion instead. She did more to stand up for Shirou's beliefs than Shirou himself did which was fascinating.

That dialogue between her and Archer just stuck with me.

There was no shouting match, no heated rejection of the other, but instead it was Saber trying to understand. She wished to inquire why he's the way that he is.

Even if she can understand that he's the result of his choices she can't comprehend why that would make him reject the ideals that lead him to this point.

For Shirou's part later it boils down to he and Archer accepting their hypocrisy. Come hell or high water Shirou will not stop even when everyone, with good logic and reason, tells him he's wrong.

But for Saber she seemed to take something else away from that conversation. She was as engrossed in their battle as I was.

You may wonder why this stuck out to me so strongly but the answer is simple. I recognized that she was defending her own flawed idealism by proxy.

The core of the Fate Route in the original novel is the parallel between her and Shirou. She lived a full life upon the ideals instilled into her and it ended in tragedy.

She didn't allow herself humanity and it had bad results. Living with Shirou granted her that humanity. The scenes of her acting a bit more girly or childish is that slow change taking hold.

She may have been 35 when she died but she never aged past 15. She never got a chance to be 15.

This bond between them is so strong that Saber, in a completely other route (timeline), behaves more like Shirous servant than Rin's.

It is only natural for her to feel inquisitive when a matured version of Shirou displays how ends up. In a fucked up way, Archer fully parallels her.

Emiya

This bond also works against her. Archer is clearly shown to know more about Saber than this Shirou does. You could even argue that this Archer was made from an Emiya who lived the Fate Route.

He knows her wish, he has moments of retreat and odd behavior with her that Rin calls him out on, and in this episode he obviously knows enough to silence her when she's questioning his actions.

It's not in a condescending or hateful manner but the counters he uses are ones that Saber can't defend. He knows what to say because he knows just how much her life parallels his own.

He almost spends more time convincing her than Shirou before the battle starts.

Seiba

No, I have no point to all of this I just felt compelled to put impressions to words here. I find it fascinating as hell. Yes, the resolution that Shirou & Archer reach is a great moment (albeit it hypocritical) but the lesson Saber takes from it is more interesting.

She never finds a way to truly counter Archer's words because she believes them on some level deep down.

Whether they're true or not is another matter entirely to us as the viewer. What's relevant right here, in that moment, is what Saber perceives to be true.

I would even end this by arguing that she learns a lesson here that Shirou did not. Although we're not shown her thoughts in detail she does say that knowing him has helped her.

Seeing that battle, Archer's acceptance of his fate, Shirous acceptance of his hypocrisy and pursuit of a dream, that helped Saber move past her own feelings about her life.

I wish that we were shown more of her reaching that realization but I do like that she is freed from her problems by proxy.

Anyway, I've finally ranted out my feelings from Fate: UBW, have a nice day~

===========================

For my other Seiba takes: Part One & Part Two

Other Fated Rants: https://derekscorner.tumblr.com/tagged/fated-rantings

[toyota-supra]

I kind of screwed up on this one but. Here you go

GBFHFU+-!4;@+&(3!&!#6&8#!&+($;5-_+&; THANK YOU.

[weeblmaodotcom]

Glory to our supreme leader!!!! Let the spirit of Seiba lead you 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡 - Charatcer is Artoria Pendragon (Saber) from the Fate series , Meme by Weeblmao.com

[klappert-art]

Drawing Oberon’s D:< faces with the unnecessarily overly dramatic lighting

Also happy anniversary FGO (again) \^o^/

[koffeenoe]

[machimachilegends]

@moonlitsorceress

"Gimme kisses!"

[awakenedpassion]

ngl I'm kinda digging the rockhopper penguin look....

[nsomiy]

go seiba🔵

[aho-chaan]

Happy birthday Go Seiba!

[hydrogencrystalsulfide]

seiba

[misusage-and-removal]

Man that. That's a depressing idea for a fgo fanfic      

Guda and castoria getting forced to relive lb6 with all their knowledge of what happens in it.

And they know everything in it isn't real as well.

The only other person in there that's probably also real is merlin. Either of them.

This feels like a dozen people can write it a dozen different ways. And all 12 will be absolutely heart wrenching. And a few will probably be amazingly cathartic.

I'd write it myself but I don't even know where to begin with ideas on how they'd be forced through their personal hell again.

[leafbunnysketchbook]

Huevember 18. Finished it last night in a last-minute rush of creative drive. ^^; But of course I couldn’t post this until now without staying up even later than I had. This design should be up on my Et/sy once I have enough new FGO designs to make a new listing separate from my first one.

And yeah, this one plays a bit fast-and-loose with the “main visible hue” rule, but the armor, bg, ribbon, and cape fluff are all on-hue I promise. Then again, I’m no stranger to playing fast-and-loose with that rule in previous Huevembers.

[theouger]

ok not to get all personal or anything but penetrations when youre not loose enough for them hurt like hell

[koroshiyayusei16]

i found two stray bklg screenshots on my other computer, i forgot about them, they are cute

[arcueidbrunestud]

hi winter hi hello how are you right now

hi Rose I'm fine I just woke up!!