#self rebloop because i posted at a weird time at first

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phdfan

replied to your post:

“Cannot decide if I am grumpy about the epic backlog of Adulting(tm)...”

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Oh wow the latter just isn't me at all!

Keep in mind, just about everything I post on mbti is tagged with #mbti-nonsense because the system is a clusterfuck irregardless of anything interesting about the theory. The constructs are difficult to define and very difficult to measure in a simple questionnaire style test. Test validity? What test validity. ;)

(actual mbti-nonsense behind the cut)

As for how good of a representative I am of intj types who have made it to middle adulthood, well, idk. 

Something I have noticed among people who know me well in day to day life -- and by “know me well” what I really mean is that they correctly predict my motivations rather than process me and my life at face value -- is that if I decide to do something completely different for instance, with my career, the first question they ask is this:  So... whhhhhy are you doing X?

And what they really mean is “So, tell me, how does X fit into a much larger life plan that you’ve mapped out and only you can see?”

The reason I know this is what they really mean comes from how they respond to any answers I give them.

I sort of hate the “mastermind” moniker that one of those mbti people gave the type but, honestly, I think this is where it comes from and where it fits in. INTJs tend to treat all of life as a strategy game because they have very large goals to create/make/bring-into-existence THINGS (products or processes = T, especially Te) that do not currently exist (N), and their sense of purpose in life (Ni) is tied to and driven by this desire.

xNTJs, especially INTJs, do not truly have hobbies or passtimes. They have a collection of activities and interests that all work together toward orchestrating some larger long term goal where “long term” means thinking in time blocks of 3-10 years at a time with each time block builds or, more accurately, tetris’es together with other blocks. Something I have noticed among the xNTJs I have known is that, whenever possible, we outsource everything that isn’t a goal-directed use of our time. 

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I was first introduced to mbti long before the online mbti fandom and, at that time, there weren’t poorly designed mbti quizzes on websites nor was there a weird internet-driven mystique around xNTJ types, INFJs, etc.

These days, I get the feeling that a lot of what people say ONLINE about the INTJ type is highly conflated with ISTJ, slightly conflated with INTP, and a bit mixed up with pretty much every INxx type, lol. lol. headdesk lol.

All that said, N+T, and, more specifically, Ni+Te appears to be very purpose driven. Morality and matters of social/societal significance (F territory) are ... flexible. Never the driving force as in the force that is literally DRIVING the person forward. Of the four NT types, INTJ has the “strongest” moral signal; ENTP has the “strongest” social/societal signal. But in both cases, “strongest” is only among the NT types. INTJ’s Fi is a hill compared to an FP’s Fi mountain. Same for ENTP’s Fe vs an FJ’s Fe.

And this is why ENTP’s Fe can come off trollish and INTJ’s Fi can come off as oh so conveniently self-serving (Fi as an excuse rather than a moral stance.

INTJs are pretty morally flexible because their extroverted Thinking is just so much stronger and pulling in the Exact Opposite Direction, so it speak (from a jungian standpoint).

I just reblooped a few posts that summarize Dario Nardi’s research findings on the types and how he has translated it back to the cognitive function model while still staying in line with Jungian theory.

Unlike a lot of stuff on the web (mbti fandom), I feel that Nardi’s succinct wording of the functions along with a completely different read -- his cogsci research -- gives a much better picture of the differences between Ne and Ni, and Ni and Si, while making Te, Ti, Fi, and Fe more clear.

(because, lolooololol Te is not not not not getting out a calendar and planning your day/week/month oh fuck no. and whenever someone in mbti fandom says this, they have no clue what Te is >_<).

Nardi Post One

Nardi Post Two