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If “nobody likes the Targs” as you claim, how did Dany make alliances w/ the Greyjoys (they sought her out), Highgarden, Dorne, Jon Snow, Tyrion, etc? Your statement is patently false. Also, please stop linking Dany to colonialism. I’m a POC too and you do a discredit and take legitimacy away from real, historical colonialism when you throw it around all for the sake of shipping wars. Last I checked Dany isn’t stealing resources from an indigenous community or enslaving/oppressing people.

Wow, okay… where to begin…

The Greyjoys were opportunists. Yara knew that she didn’t have enough men behind her to win against her uncle. She wanted the Iron Islands for herself but if she went head to head with her uncle, she would’ve lost. Going to Danerice was a political move. She aligned herself with Danerice’s cause in exchange for control of the Iron Islands. That was literally said in the show. Yara didn’t go to Danerice because of her ‘good heart’ or any such thing like that.

D: You’ve brought us 100 ships from the Iron Fleet with men to sail them.In return, I expect you want me to support your claim to the throne of the Iron Islands? …..D: And you don’t want the Seven Kingdoms? T: Your ancestors defeated ours and took the Iron Islands.We ask you to give them back. D: And that’s all? Y: We’d like you to help us murder an uncle or two who don’t think a woman’s fit to rule.

Highgarden… Olenna Tyrell aligned with Danerice not because she gave a shit about who sat on the Iron Throne. She wanted revenge, plain and simple. Cersei had just massacred her entire family. Olenna had nothing left to lose. She doesn’t care about the state of Westeros. She wanted to take Cersei down. That was also literally said in the show. Olenna doesn’t give two shits about what kind of ruler Danerice is. She wanted her to rain fire and blood on Cersei.

D: I realize you’re here out of hatred for Cersei and not love for me.But I swear to you, she will pay for what she’s done.And we will bring peace back to Westeros. O: Peace? Do you think that’s what we had under your father? Or his father? Or his? Peace never lasts, my dear.Will you take a bit of advice from an old woman? He’s a clever man, your Hand.I’ve known a great many clever men.I’ve outlived them all.You know why? I ignored them.The lords of Westeros are sheep.Are you a sheep? No.You’re a dragon.Be a dragon.

Dorne… Again, Ellaria Sand and her daughters chose an alliance with Danerice because they wanted revenge against Cersei. The Lannisters killed Oberyn Martell, Ellaria’s lover and the Sands’ father. They couldn’t care less what kind of ruler Danerice was, so long as she helped them exact their revenge on Cersei and the Lannisters.

Jon Snow… He came to Danerice for an alliance not because he knew who she was or what she was. She was the lesser of two evils and he desperately needed men to help him with the war in the North. He doesn’t care who sits on the Iron Throne at this point. That’s a non-issue for him, as none of it would matter if the Night King and his army breach the Wall. That’s his main priority. But the North isn’t going to back Jon up when they find out he bent the knee to Danerice because like I said in my previous post, the North hates the Targaryens. That was also literally said in canon by several members of the Northern households. Many of them were alive during Aerys’ reign and they don’t want another Targ on the throne.

S: Have you forgotten what happened to our grandfather? The Mad King invited him to King’s Landing - and roasted him alive.….R: Your Grace, with respect, I must agree with Lady Sansa. I remember the Mad King all too well. A Targaryen cannot be trusted.

Tyrion… well, he’s neither a ruler or head of his house. He represents himself only, so he has no real weight in swaying the populous. However, it’s interesting to note that even as a faithful servant to Danerice and an adamant preacher of her ‘good heart’, he still looked horrified at what Danerice did during the Loot Train Attack, disagreed with her burning of the Tarly’s and had a conversation with Varys about how to control Danerice’s more violent impulses. That’s literally canon. He’s been worried from the very start about making sure Danerice doesn’t do anything to invite ire from the people because even he knows that the Westerosi population dislike the Targaryens.

T: But we won’t use Dothraki and Unsullied. Cersei will try to rally the lords of Westeros by appealing to their loyalty, their love for their country. If we besiege the city with foreigners, we prove her point. Our army should be Westerosi.

T: All rulers demand that people bend the knee. It’s why they’re rulers. She gave Tarley a choice. A man who had taken up arms against her. What else could she do?V: Not burn him alive alongside his son.T: I am her hand, not her head. I can’t make her decisions for her.V: That’s what I used to tell myself about her father. I found the traitors but I wasn’t the one burning them alive. I was only a purveyor of information. It’s what I told myself when I watched them beg for mercy, “I’m not the one doing it.” As the pitch of their screams rose higher, “I’m not the one doing it.” When their hair caught fire and the smell of the burning flesh filled the Throne Room, “I’m not the one doing it.”T: Daenerys is not her father.V: And she never will be… with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.

This is all canon, so there. I even painstakingly found quotes for you in case you refused to believe me.

As for this:

“Your statement is patently false. Also, please stop linking Dany to colonialism. I’m a POC too and you do a discredit and take legitimacy away from real, historical colonialism when you throw it around all for the sake of shipping wars. Last I checked D isn’t stealing resources from an indigenous community or enslaving/oppressing people.”

Just because you’re also a POC doesn’t mean you get to talk over another POC. That’s now how it works. Our experiences vastly differ based on our respective ethnicities, backgrounds, cultural identities and race. Not all POCs are the same and experience the same issues. There are things I don’t know and will never know about and likewise, there are things you might not know about as well. By talking over each other and refusing to listen, you do more harm than good.

But let’s talk about real and historical colonialism then. Do you know the poem, ‘White Man’s Burden’ by Rudyard Kipling? Do you know its meaning? It was written to urge the United States to colonise the Philippines. It was used a reasoning for why they should, as it was the ‘white man’s burden’ to go into these countries and essentially govern them because the natives weren’t educated or advanced enough to do it themselves. It was the racist notion of ‘othering’ non-white nations and justifying their own greed and desire for land, resources, and power. This notion that white colonists were benevolent parents to non-white races was prevalent throughout the colonial era, which has evolved in more subtle manifestations in today’s society, ie. the ‘white saviour’ trope so often found in literature and movies/tv shows.

The ‘white saviour’ trope is the depiction of a white character going into a foreign country in order to save them from their evil oppressors, who also happen to be non-white and from said country. It’s the idea that only a white man/woman can save them from themselves (ie. ‘The Last Samurai’ with Tom Cruise or ‘Blood Diamond’ with Leonardo Dicaprio).

How does this pertain to Danerice? Well…

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She frees the slaves and is then heralded above them. Her white skin and pretty blue dress stands in stark contrast to the brown skin and brown rags of the people. They worship her and call her their ‘mhysa’. How does this not make you uncomfortable? She is their white saviour. She is called their ‘mother’, which is a rhetoric often used by white colonialists in a way to infantilise the native people they controlled. They saw themselves as the benevolent parents; they knew better so they could do whatever they wanted. That was basically the mantra of white colonialists.

Who else embodies that?

She freed the slave-soldiers of Astapor (the Unsullied) but kept them in her employment. They’re not ‘free’; they just have a different, less cruel master. She freed the slaves of Yunkai but left the city in complete dishevel that as soon as she left, they were once again enslaved. She freed the slaves of Meereen but destroyed their entire economy so extensively that the freed slaves wanted to sell themselves back into slavery just so they could have food. They even begin rioting, saying ‘mhysa is master’.

You said:

“Last I checked D isn’t stealing resources from an indigenous community or enslaving/oppressing people.”

But she is. She took ships and soldiers to help her achieve her ultimate goal of getting the Iron Throne. She burnt men in order to enact her justice without a fair trial even though at least one of them was innocent. She forced the former masters to work for her. In Westeros, she had to be stopped from burning the Red Keep, which isn’t just where Cersei lives but also civilians. She burnt all of the food during the Loot Train Attack, condemning thousands to starvation in the long Winter for no other reason. My point is Danerice may have had or still has, to some degree, good intentions for the people, but she is essentially still a master/conqueror/colonialist. It’s her justice or burn and die.

Not to mention, the Targaryens were colonialists/conquerors. The first Targaryen ruler was literally named Aegon the Conqueror. When the Valyrian Freehold fell, Aegon took his dragons to the Seven Kingdoms and conquered it with fire and blood. He demanded people yield to him or die. He killed millions of people in order to gain power. This was not his homeland. Westeros is not a Targaryen’s home. It does not belong to them.

It’d be like saying just because the British Empire once colonised India, they’re now allowed to come back and violently take it back on account of the fact that they once ruled it for however many years. Wouldn’t you say that was a horrible reason and that the British Empire has no power over India because it was never theirs to begin with? What’s the difference then between Danerice trying to claim Westeros as hers despite not having grown up there or even knowing anything about the culture and politics and that example?

Now, you also brought in shipping, but I want to know how shipping has literally anything to do with anything I just said or what I said in that post you’re referring to? I never once mentioned shipping yet you did. Why? What does my shipping preferences matter in this discussion? Am I not allowed to have an opinion just because I prefer one ship over another? Are my words suddenly invalid because you have a different ship from mine? Is that not extremely and utterly closeminded of you? I respect your right to ship what you want, as you should respect mine. I respect your right to disagree with everything I said, as you should respect my right to these opinions without coming into my ask and being antagonistic about it. Don’t like my opinion? Scroll past. Simple as.

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rcsettastone · 5 years

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INTRODUCTION I.

D R . E L É N A P A V I A ( r o s e t t a s t o n e )

a gold snake curled around orange fruit. cat-eye sunglasses and a large hat that obscures one eye. the shadows of trees. your hair pulled back in a neat bun. low tide. black dresses with expensive earrings. old books with scribbles in the margins. a collection of sea shells. empty wine bottles and only one glass. raising your argument, not your voice. handwritten letters. an unknown silhouette behind a curtain. white silk nightgowns. standing in the sea to look at the moon. red wine and messy hair. twirling a pendant in your fingers. dancing on a beach. calls from unlisted numbers. hushed conversations. knowing what it is to have something taken from you.

age: thirty-one

sexuality: heterosexual (?)*

gender: cisgender female

allegiance & role: cambra historian & translator

a brief history: eléna is born to late-stage parents in southern spain on an andalusian horse ranch. while she loves both her parents, her father in particular - a large man with loud charisma - is her hero. at a wedding held on their ranch, a then-child eléna meets the man that would eventually become her Benefactor after she takes a cryptex from his room to play with. he in turn takes an interest in her due to her intellect and curiousity, and over the years checks in on her and the pavia family with increasing frequency. he sends her various puzzles, mental games, and monetary or material gains to her parents. simultaneously, eléna becomes increasingly aware of her father’s problems with alcoholism & gambling.

as she grows older, she aids her father in hiding some of the severity of his debts from her mother -- but as a result, their relationship begins to decay. at age 15, eléna is told by her benefactor that if she can achieve the exemplary marks he sets out of her, he will fund her attending university - transportation & accommodation included. after matching and exceeding what he wanted from her, eléna chooses to attend university in barcelona away from the family/life she has grown disenchanted with (read: her father). during this time, she sends back money given to her as an allowance by her benefactor to pay for her father’s continuing (albeit lesser) debts. she throws herself into schooling to the point of reckless obsession. with no friends or allies around her aside from the benefactor, she foregoes her health or any semblance of a personal life in order to please him and prove her worth. for a time, this single-minded recklessness proves effective, but is similarly efficient in draining her of energy and ability. with time, she begins to buckle under the weight of what she has pursued, developing insomnia and risking failure in at least one class. while it is never confirmed to her if the subsequent opportunity was brought to her by the benefactor, she cheats on a final exam after a classmate approaches her with concerns - and eventually the key to the examination. after graduation, she is given opportunities unsuited for someone as young and inexperienced as her due singularly to her connection to the benefactor. she has her daughter at (age undecided) -- the father is not in the picture, and does not play a role in their lives. nonetheless, due to the increasing financial aid of her sponsor to facilitate a proper home and childcare for her daughter, her career flourishes. with the birth of clio and an increasingly strained relationship, her father swears off drinking and gambling, and eléna ceases sending money back home.

having been sent to a dig in cairo, eléna at one point leaves her daughter with her parents in andalusia. upon coming home, she finds her father fallen victim to his old vices. but this time the ensuing argument reveals far deeper sins. in his inebriation and remorse, her father expresses her late birth was due to the full life he had lived prior to becoming a father and moving to the countryside -- - he was once a criminal and renowned thief. the only reason he had left this life behind was at the behest of her mother, and so they had purchased land far away from cities and temptation. the things he taught her and the childish games she had once played - learning to pick a pocket, the extensive treasure hunts, how to cheat at cards and never get caught - all made sense.

she walks while her father begs forgiveness on his knees. he pleads for her to forget what he’s said, feign ignorance, go back to secrets. instead, she leaves with her daughter tucked into her arm, swearing he will never see her or his granddaughter ever again.

eléna currently still receives money every month from her benefactor, which has increased substantially since her university days -- an unspoken seal to keep her quiet. it is enough to allow her to outright buy a large apartment in barcelona and far more luxuries than her cambra salary should allow. while she protests when he asks when he asks for another thievery, she has yet to not bring back what he requires. while he has never touched her inappropriately, eléna fears that and much more from him, should she fully refuse to participate in his charade any longer. she has been mulling over stealing a piece from ialis to sell illegally herself - only to finally accrue enough money and opportunity to remove herself from the control of her benefactor forever.

fun facts:

putting this in the fact section as i’m unsure if i’ll make it canon yet, but my current thought (and the next big blow eléna couldn’t see coming) is that her father knew her ‘benefactor’ before they even met. something along the lines of he and his crew once stole art from the benefactor’s black market team/gang, and he’s been somewhat complicit - albeit full of anguish - in her being used by her sponsor.

her daughter clio is named after the grecian muse of history. haven’t fully decided on her age, but i’m thinking most likely 4 or 5. loves her more than anything, but does not talk about her with colleagues.

she loves to dance, and is exceptionally good -- but her adoration and skills only improve when she’s drunk. consider her the real life woman dancing in red dress emoji.

she has ABSIT OMEN tattooed on her outer right thumb/palm. it’s a latin phrase meaning “let an omen be absent.”

if that last fact didn’t clue you in, she’s surprisingly superstitious. she got her tattoo in that specific location as if it might prevent harm from the archaic, arcane things she touches.

lapsed roman catholic; spiritual.

she smokes, but only when on location for a dig. she refuses to pick up a cigarette back in spain, lest she carry some of the fumes around her daughter.

film photography is a big hobby of eléna’s. she has two cameras with her on ialis.

catch her doing yoga and/or meditation every morning, because she believes in the link between physical and spiritual/mental wellness.

like the history nerd she is, she has a cat named artemisia, affectionately known as mishy.

she has the uncannily quick hands - aka part of the reason she’s been able to successfully steal and smuggle out the various artifacts and objects over the years

your resident card queen - any game you’ve got, she’s the reigning champ

plots / connections under the cut !

JEWEL OF THE NILE. ( open to : cambra ) a coworker that has become what might be the only deep friendship eléna has with someone from cambra! to the level that they’ve actually met or at least know of her daughter uwu. basically gimme someone

ROMANCING THE STONE. ( open to : taha & local guides ) a previous fling that was had while on location on another dig. they definitely did not imagine they would run into each other again -- bonus points if they don’t even know they’re both archaeologists/involved in the same field. how they are now is completely up for discussion!

THE MUMMY. ( open to : big bois ) i mean, look. i’m not gonna lie to you here. do i want the rick to eléna’s evelyn? absolutely. that’s pretty much all i gotta say about this.

RETURN OF THE MUMMY. ( open to : silly bois ) did you think i wasn’t gonna mention the jonathan to her evie? incomprehensible. give me the looser, more-fun potentially brother-like figure

SCORPION KING. ( open to : all ) eléna is complex, particularly when you start looking at her extracurricular thievery, but she is still a soft, quiet woman. you see a figure standing in the shallows at night looking at the moon? that’s her. this muse sees these sides of her and for one reason or another grows rather protective over miss moon-gazer

NATIONAL TREASURE. ( open to : preferably younger ) she is Cambra’s Official Mom, but this individual is someone she particularly looks after or checks up on -- could definitely be in taha too!

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. ( open to : all ) okay so this is kind of dependent on plot drops/how the game develops, but please give me someone to... break rules with her. cambra or taha, when eléna starts noticing something Else is going on on ialis island, her interest is going to extend far beyond

TEMPLE OF DOOM. ( open to : all ) angsty exes, in short. this might work better with cambra, but could also work with someone else with the right plotting. we could go any direction with this, but my guess would be eléna ended the relationship due to her inability to become emotionally vulnerable/getting Scared of her Feelings

THE LAST CRUSADE. ( open to : all ) the current flirtation. walking to town together, or coincidentally bumping into one another at the main square and smiling from across the way. sitting too close. unnecessary compliments. wondering how long the tension is going to last.

SKULL ISLAND. ( open to : cambra ) a longtime coworker that is curious/suspicious/concerned over how the good dr. pavia always seems to keep herself at arm’s length from everyone... and nobody seems to know all that much about her

JOURNEY TO THE CENTRE OF THE EARTH ( open to : all ) someone as superstitious as eléna that can bond with her when the Strange Happenings start to occur on the island

* you may note there is a question mark next to eléna’s sexuality..... WELL. while her muse gives me tragically hetero vibes, every time i try and play that out it.... never works out the few times i try and do it. so. honestly don’t consider the door fully shut for any plots just bc your muse is nb or female, i just may need to think it over more!!!

wanted threads: drunk dancing by the fire, eventual skinny-dipping, getting trapped somewhere like the caves or a spontaneously collapsed pit, ur muse is getting in a fight with a local over a misunderstanding borne by the language disconnect and eléna comes in and smooths things over, stealing a book or notes from the taha camp

#( — ooc. )

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