#where logan doesn't die and you can't have logan die and then tom and greg suck and fuck. and jesse armstrong voice tv is just really hard

[eastgaysian]

Hey, I wasn't sure if I should say so or not in case it would be upsetting to you, but since you brought up the idea of a survey I thought I'd say that I have lost a parent & like you the current season of Succession has had a cathartic effect on me. I've also seen one person on twt say that's the case for them too, so I'm willing to bet a lot of ppl who've lost a parent feels similarly and like... Regardless of if it's a "good" season or not, I think media that helps me process my grief is a positive thing, it has value, or what have you. Obv it's fine for ppl to dislike the season, & ofc I don't wish others could exp that kind of loss, but like 🤷🏻‍♀️ sometimes things don't resonate with you until you've experienced smth, & sometimes that happens when you're 0-10, sometimes when you're 50-60

yeah, i started noticing a gap in reactions after connor's wedding between people saying 'that felt far too much like my own experience with a parent/family member dying' and people who acknowledged the skillful execution of the episode but didn't seem to personally connect to it (which generated a couple takes on logan's death and the perceived indignity of it that rubbed me the wrong way, lol). on the one hand my continued posting about the Discourse is because it's aggravating to me, like why is the hot topic of fan discussion 'is the show we're all watching even good?' ??? but on the other, it's genuinely just confusing to me and i'm trying to understand what i'm missing. the minor criticisms that people have cited as the root cause of their dissatisfaction don't add up to me. they feel much more like things that are only noticeable/irritating if you already have some fundamental issue or disconnect with the season.

and i think it really is that this is a season about grief and only about grief, there's no space for anything else. the emotional arcs in other seasons were usually related but distinct - you could focus in on what you liked in particular, whether that was kendall's mental breakdown, roman's freudian mess, shiv's struggle to be taken seriously as a woman, shiv and tom's failmarriage, tom and greg's weirdness, and there'd be enough material for you to chew on and have a good time without worrying all that much about everything else (although i do think being able to understand how all of these connect improves your experience of the show immensely, but i digress).

s4 is about grief. everyone is reacting to logan's death in different ways, but it all comes back to grief. if you're interested in talking about grief, there's so much to explore. if you don't find that engaging, then you're out of luck. it's fine to not find that engaging because you wanted something else out of the season/show, but that doesn't make the season objectively bad or subject to flaws that weren't already present throughout the rest of the show. and yeah, based on my reaction and the reactions of other people i've seen who have that personal experience with death, i think it's a really spectacular depiction of loss and grief that handles all the complex emotions involved with more thought and care than i've seen in other media. it would not be as accurate or impactful a depiction of grief if time and space was spent on something completely unrelated.

i don't think you need to have lost a close family member to connect to the storyline, but i also don't think you can understand what it's like until it happens in your own life. it fucked me up badly when my aunt died in middle school because she had been a major part of my childhood, but the degree to which my dad dying fundamentally altered my life is just incomparable to anything else. you really cannot experience grief as a concept or thought experiment, a person's death is real and permanent in a way nothing else really is. which sounds obvious but it's just true

[bamboobrat]

succession s4 e3 recap: i just called to say are you a cunt? 1/2

ding dong the bitch is dead!

today we celebrate! extra long recap! (you'll find part two here and at the bottom)

it's finally time to fire gerri:(((

this has been in the cards since the hazmat suit remark, but still shakes me to the bones.

and sticking her with cruises? horrifying.

almost as horrifying as logan asking roman to kill her...

"you two, you know, you were close"

dickpickgate, the laughs were too high a price to pay.

on a more positive note, greg is also not having a good day.

is he out of the inner circle? was he ever in? did kerry really look up if a focus group existed and pull him apart like string cheese?

my guess is it's because he is annoying. on this, logan and i agree. visually aggravating, indeed.

(on a more serious note, yes, i've seen the posts about nick and all i can say is believe women)

big boss man's last words:

i wasn't paying attention. karolina was in the scene.

tom uses one line to summarize the episode we never got.

wanting to kill cyd and gerri on the same day can kill you, you know. it's called karma.

felt a strong impulse to skip the intro having seen the trailer, but i'm a good lil nick britell fangirl of course.

also, you know it's going to be a good episode when it's a mylod.

roman is very nervous about breaking up with his girlfriend firing gerri. "let's enjoy this sham marraige and the death of romance", he said...

i know i asked for more gerri. THIS NOT WHAT I MEANT!

roman is me, i am roman etc.

i'm also sad to report that i am, in fact, team hat.

they are sad and angry but not in a perverted way:(

so, so pretty<333 j. for supporting! sarah for lead, please!

it's the least they could do. seriously.

looks like having to kill gerri was the last drop for our romey.

calling your dad a cunt right before he dies? it's shakespearean.

connor associates victoria spunge with the loony bin. some of you might think the cake is not an essential part of this episode, but you are wrong.

shiv doesn't pick up the phone. first the cake, now this!!

this is what my mom tells me all the time: gotta pick up the phone, i could be dying.

and just like that... logan roy died. on the toilet. where all horrible fathers deserve to die. special shout out to tywin lannister!

the writers are absolute sickos for making me actually morn this guy by watching how his children absolutely fall to pieces:

roman repeating how everything will be okay. ken saying he can't forgive logan, but that he loves him. shiv immediately reverting back to her younger self and calling logan daddy...

anyone else have some trauma responses to share?

these asshole kids crying over their asshole father </3

they frantically go back and forth between accepting that he is dead and making action plans on how to save him. it's a beautiful and heartbreaking throwback to the first season, when they still believed their money and status could save them from experiencing death.

even billionaires are mortal. really makes u think 👀

frank calls kendall son and i think it finally sinks in. i'm a pool of tears ready to be wiped up off the floor.

shiv and ken go to let connor know.

they look so smol and lost and sad, i CAN'T. they really are kids.

connor is on some GOAT shit with this line:

well, his father may not ever have liked him, but at least he got the world's strangest hug from his homey romey.

being in denial too hard can cause hug disfunction.

it's not a nice thing to call someone dead.

truly a heartbreaking rant we get from kieran here. one emmy for our favorite slime puppy!

karl continues to be the voice of reason:

i feel connected to this man, spiritually and emotionally.

he should pour one for kerry as well.

our girl is simply not dealing. fingers crossed for a delicious breakdown to come.

tom agrees.

funniest shit i've ever seen.

this is why we like to keep karl around, for the drinking and the nicknames.

part 2

[david-box]

Succession finale liveblog. I'm scared lol

I agree with prison Hannibal that Kendall is manic even before starting btw, it seems obvious now just thinking about the Italy ep.

Now, are they actually going to merge with what's his face.

Is that Kendall's kid??? What's he saying to him about Kendall?? "Something with some action" ksjsjs okay fake grandad.

They're still in Italy????

Willa not buying the property is funny. You have to buy everything. Why is everyone fine? Everyone is chill. Roman and Shiv are chill and honest. What's wrong. What happened??? Where are they???

Shiv cheating at Monopoly is so funny lmao. I forget who this lady is.

Oh so Kendall was drowning!!! Wow. I wondered if that was him being depressed dramatically or whatever or dying dying or poisoned.

Kendall trying to ramp things up again??? Oh. No. Okay. What does he WANT??? Kendall's daughter has a pretty dress.

Oh I forgot that was the assistant she looks different in light colors. WOW blatantly favoring Roman over Shiv nice job Dad. Good job. Is Kendall gonna. Like. Admit to murder? Is that the thing that's happening? Or try? I thought it was a podcast that wanted Kendall.

Love how every other suit in the intro on the kids doesn't really fit. I can't be assed to care about this new company emergency trademark when it's been established waystar royco refuses to die.

A fucking helicopter ride AND boat ride?? And why is Logan smiling. And why is that dark haired assistant lady fucking Logan. Also *how* does everyone know Roman hasn't fucked.

Everyone dissing Roman physically right after the fucking conversation lmao. Logan and Mattson are funny together. Logan revealed he's desperate.

What the fuck does this story mean. "We don't live mark" lmaksksja. Matson makes no sense. Too old for tech. Sure okay. Matson is bullshitting about something but Logan is a better liar.

Scrawny on meth or yoga. Okay. Yeah. Sure. That's a phrase. I KNEW Logan was waiting for him to talk. Matson spinning 180* in an instant. Logan might take it. Can Matson be trusted? Does Logan trust him? Is Logan being genuine (no I think he's agreed already). Oh, but he says no. Called his bluff lmao. It's not a no deal situation. Roman refusing to act like Logan could he like 1/2 correct for show. Who gets as rich as Matson and wears khakis and a t shirt casually, unless that's an image thing I guess but I'd wear full suit of Francois or whatever men wore in the 17th century.

Kendall not wearing a slight bit of formal wear. Oh shit an intervention ahahhaa I'm sad for him. Kendall did not fall off the inflatable. He's not listening :-(. Connor not picking the right time but he's earnest. They really are worried about him? Isn't Connor the oldest? He's holding that knife :-(. He's picking a bad time but he's right.

The head knock what the fuck. What the fuck. That's so funny. He knows Italian? Who is his mom also. He's manipulative and earnest somehow. Willa looks very 80s. Fuck it ajjajja

Fuck it. How bad can it be.did Willa fall for him??? Willas dress is pretty. She looks sad though and Connor is genuinely happy. Connor frequently does not see the point in hiding his emotion.

Tom and Greg are so fucking funny. Greg looked this up ahahhahahahahan. Is he actually gonna try to be the fucking grand duchy of Luxembourg one day.

They made Logan look like he lost weight. Hey, Marcia has a speaking role today. Shiv is digging into Roman today. Why the shot on Kendall. Greg you two timing whore.

This wedding is so peaceful with such a weird half tensed undertone. Wouldn't it be funny if nothing happened this episode. "Cool beans". Shiv trying there, both to Tom and Connor and I'm distracted by this Jism conversation they are literally delusional.

Ahahhahaba Roman. Little tommy tits.

"not Greenpeace" ahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha. Killing penguins. Greg has a spine right now but still working with hard Italian pillows. This poor lady likes Greg the damn two timer. "It'll be born old". So Karl is in Europe.

I think they aren't being fucked. But they might fuck him. They don't even know what they're trying to do? "I'm not a fuckometer" ahahaha. They're panicking. What's the trash bag focus for.

*is* Kendall speaking with Matson? Or just out of it.. no he is not okay but I'm glad youre trying. They're actually trying with him. And not focusing on the company.

Shiv like "??? FU" with Roman in a heartbreaking scenenis so funny. They can't connect with him. Holy shit I have to rewind. I'm not really understanding what Kendall wanted. Does he? They're not really connecting with him and he just said that for the first time out loud and right when they were about to ignore him.

He doesn't even remember the deer. Wow. He's really falling apart. Roman trying but there's no way. Dude don't. Wind blowing at a good time. Roman making him cry laugh. Jeremy is a good fucking actor holy shit.

Roman has no idea how to do these things and has to learn in 3 seconds. Oh, he's sitting down in the mud. Good for him. Roman is fucjinf funny.

They should cash out. Shiv putting the phone down is good. It's nice to see character development. Jeremy got sucked off that mud for the show and I love him for it. But WHY do they have to stop this? Roman in the light is good. He doesn't think it's a good idea and shiv and Kendall are in the dark. As soon as Roman starts to fight over succession he's in the dark. This poor Italian driver.

No way they'll do it this today. How did they shoot this scene? This wedding looks fun. Greg is so manipulative and getting into it. Jesus Christ. Tom please bear someone with a chair this season I wanna see it happen today.

"do you wanna come with me sporus?" "Can I ask for a little bit more information?" "No." Greg grows a spine with someone who will not let him ahhaha. It's just that meme of birds on a telephone pole shitring on eachother made reified in their personal relationships. I low-key thought they were gonna kiss ngl.

I'm stressed for them but it would be funny if this went badly. Roman has good instincts and bad fear of dad and Kendall is a fighter. Kendall approaching the one guy and not alone. Nice.

Please talk to him first. I'd be nervous too. And they stand with Kendall. Wow. Shiv looks ready to cry. "Mhm probably yeah." Lmao. Logan relying on Roman not to argue and he's shaking. Logan goes right into bullying.

Get who back on. Poor shiv. Mom??? Holy shit. Mom?? Logan literally saying lobe doesn't mean shit to him. Why trust him is good. Tom told him???? Tom??? Tom??? Tom???? Tom???? Tom!!!! Tom!!!! Tom!!!! Tom!!!! Tom! Tom!!! Is that what they're saying?? Or is that just what Shiv thinks. Oh she's livid. That's the end???