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Thoughts on (irl) blood and gore?

YEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOUWCH!

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hahaha whats the deal with juleka and marinette 👀 another case of childhood friends drifting apart and marinette ending up alone like always 😔?

yes!! i've realized i have a habit of combining show characters in order to keep the cast small (mylene's activism got repurposed for alya, max's compsci stuff got given to nino), so i decided to merge juleka with socqueline.

and when i say childhood friends, i mean they were little. like 5 or 6

their friendship started to go south in middle school, as that's when their interests really began to diverge and juliette started to lean into scene/alternative fashion like her older brother luka. this is when she starts going by juleka and dying her hair purple and such, and marinette is much more of a shoujo coquette kind of girl and started to find juleka's more extroverted behavior and "cringiness" off-putting (though, when you eventually have a body pillow of your favorite celebrity, can you really judge your ex-best friend for having a yaoi paddle)

of course, their friendship gets truly severed in high schoolwhen juleka starts dating rose and prioritizing her relationship with rose over her friendship with marinette. of course, considering rose's general disposition and love of pink is somewhat similar to marinette's... it's safe to assume that juleka found the same things attractive in marinette, but thought she would never return the feelings. marinette reluctantly dating luka later on is yet another punch to the gut.

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Question is...amilie normal in tweos? Emilie got the boy mom thing going on and Gabriel is a greedy capitalist

Yes!

Colt and Amelie are freakishly normal, if only to contrast the fact that Felix will be the second coming of Draco Malfoy with added cain instinct. (Colt is alive, given by a small tidbit in Ch53 where Gabriel asks to speak to the founder of Fathom Enterprises directly.) They loved and doted on their son a normal and healthy amount, but Felix is evil anyways as well as immensely jealous that Adrien gets to be the famous one. To contrast Adrien further, Felix basically succeeds in every area Adrien fails—mostly when it comes to being a classist stuck-up little prick. And he likes horseback riding and billiards, the pompous fuck.

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sooo… Emilie Agreste is a boy mom, right?

absolutely. insufferably so. the only benefit of having a girl would've been that her child would be a mini version of her, but otherwise raising girls is "too much drama" for her and adrien was a very "easy" kid.

plus, i think this sort of "devouring mother" archetype fits very well with Gabriel's parenting techniques. Emilie would (in a sense) "love too much" while Gabriel "loves too little", and yet neither of them really address Adrien's needs. Adrien is a pawn to them, a little doll they can use to play house, and both their displays of affection towards their son are exclusive to what benefits them. Emilie smothers her son to boost her own self-image as a "loving mother", whereas Gabriel's small crumbs of affection are just to maintain the relationship so Adrien will agree to continue being exploited as a model.

But yeah, I think Emilie is perfect for that creepy, no-boundaries, "a mother is her son's first love" territory. ex:

Adrien: Hey dude... when's the last time your mom slept in the same bed as you?

Nino: Idk, when I was like five, I think. Probably happened once or twice, dude. ....You?

Adrien: ..........last night :/ She keeps sneaking into my room really late, I guess. Even though I keep telling her not to :/

(yes i know emilie died before these two met like. shut up. shhhhhhh. this is to provide an example)

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where are you on this chart

bottom right I'm a huge wimp don't let my delusions of evil grandeur blind you to the fact that I am unemployed and 19 and a weenie little disabled boy, you could hand me a button that magically kills the worst guy on earth and I bet I wouldn't do it

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i agree with emilie being a typical boy mom jocasta complex style shes been the centre of attention her entire life i dont think she would be okay with having a mini me daughter at all 😭 she definitely enabled gabriels rapunzelment and child modelling i hate headcanons where she is a good person fr 😔 also what does this say about nathalie and her being/wanting to be romantically involved with that couple 😭

i mean... it says bad things? even if she didn't encourage it or just did the bare minimum to scold emilie for being inappropriately close with her son... it says bad things, dude. why are you so invested in the worst couple of blondes to grace the planet?? were there no other options??

or, we could go the route that nathalie was also groomed/manipulated into it. we don't exactly know how old she was when she met the agrestes, she could've been just starting out as a plucky archeologist when these kind and wealthy benefactors introduced themselves into her life via tomoe. and emilie's cult of personality with gabriel's coolheadedness and determined nature might've just drawn her in.

^ of course, this works better for situations where Mayura was never a thing. and there's also arguments that both of these options can coexist. yikes all around regardless

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Pimple Asker here. Shortly after I posted that, I fell half-asleep and dreamt of vast rooms with bright shiny metal floors and dark surfaces that were sometimes plastic, sometimes leather. There were countless stainless steel nails, sticking up from the floor, growing and shrinking across the floor like ripples in a pond. As I visualised them, it was as if they were entering my brain, accompanied by a visceral static sound between my ears.

I think this is a divine punishment.

yeah sounds about right. that was hell you just visited, and you were sent there for a little timeout to think about your actions, and the effects they have on people.

confess your identity to me and maybe, just maybe, i will have it in my heart to forgive you.

...but he won't.

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tweos luka (even canon luka now that i think about it 💀) reminds me of those tiktok eboys who make their voice sound deeper on purpose 😭 like those "morning voice" ones absolute rancid vibes 💀💀💀 i saw a tiktok and the entirety of tweos flashed before my eyes i dont even think i know what miraculous ladybug truly is because whenever i realise claudia isnt there in canon i get so confused my mind has convinced me that shes a real character in the kids show 😟

luka wants what corpse husband had fr. he is SUUUUCH a tryhard and it somehow works on everyone except his silly shoujocore gf cause she's only into fictional men*

also claudia perreault real season 8 trust me!!!!! joermy zag is my dad he said i could in exchange for two momths' allowance. also she's the star of the Mexico City special trust trust trust

*she doesn't consider adrien a real person, at least not in practice. she's only into the husbandofied advertised adrien

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who is the person in your pfp and why does it interest me?

IT'S ADRIEN!!!! :DDDDDDDDD

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in my mind adrien agresté is incomplete without glasses (that do nothing for him other than make him look less like his mother) and some dork-ass expression on his face. and copious amounts of blood.

I do plan on making similar little pieces for other Will Wood songs, including: Love Me Normally, I/Me/Myself, Cotard's Solution, Outliars and Hippocrates, and Tomcat Disposables! I'm just... working on a million things at once. And yet also nothing at all. xD

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This could be such a dumb question I’m sorry but I’ve been seeing claudrien everywhere and I’m very confused, what is it? Am I missing something? It seems interesting

ohhh honey bunches you are missing one of the MOST dysfunctional canon x oc ships to grace the bug show fandom let me tell you.

these fuckers have a whole fic written about them for you to dig into. The Warm Embrace of Shadow on Ao3. they're horrible and codependent and mentally unwell. adrien watches her die at least once. they break up and get back together within the same week. there is cannibalism involved.

they have a playlist on spotify. youtube one in the works too.

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tell us of the failed adrientte plz

Okay, so we have to go into the TWEOS lore with this one, irrefutable fact:

Adrien and Marinette were supposed to be made for each other.

This is because, like in canon, the miraculouses work better with strong bonds and like. In canon Adrinette is brought up multiple times to be the best relation to ever ship. In TWEOS, this is basically the kwamis playing matchmaker with their paper dolls. Because, in essence, that is what all holders are to them.

This is why both Marinette and Adrien display obsessive tendencies, albeit towards different people—The idea was that they'd latch onto one person (each other), and then it would stick.

Instance 1: Marinette latched onto Adrien long before she ever got her Miraculous.

The issue: She latched onto the idea of him marketed by Gabriel. No umbrella scene whatsoever. Adrien is her celebrity crush that she loves as if she's been in a years-long committed relationship.

Instance #2: Adrien latched onto... Claudia.

The issue: Not Marinette. Very much not Marinette. Despite everything any of the kwamis (or anyone else in Adrien's life) could ever do to pry him away from Claudia, Adrien will refuse to budge. He was practically designed to be a codependent partner, and it will show.

Next point—Because Adrinette is endgame, neither Marinette nor Adrien can have a fulfilling relationship before that. So Luka, Marinette's "fake" boyfriend, is an asshole who wants to have his cake of the Viperbug celebrity pairing and also be a womanizing local rockstar. Likewise, Kagami, Adrien's betrothed, never clicks with him, and her limited perspective means she's unwilling to fully relate to him without reflecting on the ways her mother has lied to her.

(There's also parallels between Kagami and Marinette in terms of their view of Adrien, even though the reverse between Luka and Adrien isn't as strong since Adrien has never really considered Marinette as a romantic interest. —unless, of course, that's the parallel in which case we found it!)

"But Wis, Claudia and Adrien are working out?"

...............eh. I can't even safely say they don't make each other worse, just that they're not getting worse alone. Also, by the point that Claudia and Adrien accept that they're a thing (and Claudia starts to close off because she suddenly realizes her flirtations have consequences), the scaffolding is already crumbling and also on fire. It would take a miracle for Adrinette to be healthy at that point, and yet Plagg and Tikki are still trying to get the Adrinette train back on track.

But they will fail.

@nocturnal-notes , because you like when i analyze my own stuff!

(other claudrien nation tags possibly pending, if i think it'd be worth it)

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claudrien the type of couple to pop each others pimples

who said this

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so julenette is basically one of those homoerotic friendships that change the trajectory of your life...for the better in julekas case i guess because she gets rose and for the worse in marinettes because....luka 💀 juliette/julekas recharacterization(?) feels so much better woth her being the weird kid who runs around with a yaoi paddle makes sense as to why they were friends now 😭 cant lie luka's always at the scene of the crime oof he mustve known his sister had a thing for marinette hes probably traumatized her 💀

EXACTLY. Juleka was even the initial pick for the Snake Miraculous because Marinette still considers her a "friend" (even if they don't talk), but Juleka was smart enough to decline so Marinette passed it off to the one other person who overheard the entire conversation. Smooth moves, Marinette.

The one other thing that Marinette and Juleka have in common is that they're both massive weebs (in fact, I think that might be a common thread between Marinette and Alya/Nino... not Adrien because why would I ever let him feel included), though Juleka is more of a Black Butler and Vampire Knight kind of girl, whereas Marinette is more Fruits Basket and Kamisama Kiss*.

*yes the anime for that came out in 2012. she would've been reading the manga for that okay? shhshshhhshhhhshh.

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who's luckylucky? who's sillynette? I'm curious 👀

askfhshdj i was just referring to ladybug and marinette from tweos. ladybug goes by 'lucky lucky ladybug' in that, and i've been workshopping a name to refer to tweos!mari that isn't also possibly ableist or misconstruable (even yanderenette doesn't really capture it for me)

(look at my goofy lil girly <3 )

the rundown is: Sillynette is head over parasocial heels for Adrien because he's like her bias or husbando or whatever equivalent to that. She buys all of his merchandise (and Gabriel makes a lot of it), is active on all his fan forums, generally prides herself on being the biggest Adriener to ever exist (imagine that in tweos, Adrien is their version of Justin Bieber except he doesn't even have the singing part it's somehow just the looks that are carrying him) .

Conversely, Lucky Lucky Ladybug thinks Chat Noir is the biggest stinkiest loser on the planet and that all of her problems would go away if she killed him herself. Tikki allows her to do all of this, by the way. Tikki does not see enough of a problem in her holder beating Chat Noir to death with his own staff.

Bonus: These two problems are related. And this is a soulmate AU. You can read TWEOS to find out why.. or just DM me and I'll spoil all of it for you for funsies :33

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adrien making any sexual relationship a prostitution dynamic is something i never thought about but it makes so much sense. is his love language gift-giving or does he only hide behind that sort of label because he thinks no one wants to have sex with him for the sake of it, because they actually enjoy his company without ulterior motives (i rly like thinking abt this even tho i sound incoherent rn i think maybe only claudia would have sex with him without wanting anything💀 atleast in tweos au?) also luka as joker.....the implications are something alright 😭

It's partially gift-giving, but more in the sense that he likes helping his s/o where they need it the most. ...And when you're one of the richest idiots in Paris, most of the time the one thing they need more than you is money.

Going a bit into a Marxist analysis of the Cannibalism Chapter , Adrien is conditioned to see himself as a resource first and person second. This is why being eaten alive is so tantalizing to him—it's the distribution of his "value" to those who are more worthy of it. (Actually, his interest in it is multifaceted, but I'll leave that for its own silly post.) So, this willingness to provide financially is an extension of that same desire. He finds that the pinnacle of his worth as a person is what others can exploit him for, as that is what he was raised to believe by his (exploitative) parents.

That kind of bled into your second guess as to why he would unconsciously hookerify his partners, but I do agree that that is also true—He has plenty of insecurities regarding people appreciating him for who he is. He has horrible abandonment issues and has felt unloved in most of his interpersonal relationships, so he will leverage anything he can if that means his partner won't leave him. This is why he hastily regifts Marinette's pastries to Claudia in Chapter 55: Not only has he been using his money to bribe Claudia into maintaining their relationship (before the breakup, that is), but now he's doing it with food, something that he knows Claudia has trouble getting. Chapter 55 is actually so good for showing off a taste of Adrien's more manipulative habits. Like with the prostitution thing, his intentions are... pure-ish? But it's still kind of scummy and pathetic, and I like when his flaws get to shine.

Also if Claudia wasn't so caught up in her reluctance to rely on others (because accepting gifts is, in her mind, what leads to people asking things from you in return), she would 100% be willing to continue the relationship even if it was solely financially driven. She does appreciate Adrien's company on its own, and she does genuinely care for him... but her issue with the dynamic is actually more that accepting money puts her in a "debt" to him and she doesn't like where that could lead. This was the intended implication of her Ch49 spiel to Karra, and later fleshed out in her conversation with Chat in Ch55, but I'll be more explicit about it in the future now that it's brought to my attention. Especially when they're finally honest about these insecurities and talk it out like they should. I had a few scenes in mind where this would play out, but they were written with a different trajectory for the story in mind so they might not work anymore. Oopsies

@nocturnal-notes b/c the lore and analysis :3 eat up pookie

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Sentitrio (Adrien, Kagami, Felix) are 100% autistic coded. However I'd absolutely argue that they're all queer coded too, either sexuality-wise or gender-wise. I have no doubt about that

I'd love to hear that argument! (Not that I would, like, argue argue. I'd just want to hear your thoughts. I like talking to people about these things :3 )

I also do agree that they're autistic-coded, even if that doesn't translate to Adrien himself being explicitly a teacher's pet type or "gifted" outside of the many talents he takes lessons for (and even that could be explained as the result of rigorous tutoring and not necessarily a natural result of being a savant). I will say that I specifically headcanon Adrien as AuDHD (as I've mentioned in this post), but you'd have to get back to me later on whether I think Kagami or Felix are the same.