theprinceoftheswamplands

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Love these guys

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Seam licks Jevils face to show affection + it’s just a cat thing that they do.

Jevil licks Seams face to taste the dust on their fur without any judgment.

there IS a difference!!!

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more people need to witness this, before now I never knew how dim the world was but now

YOUR

TOO

BRIGHT

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”No one will see this” OBJECTION YOUR HONOR, I HAVE WITNESSED IT

"I asked grok" "I asked chatgpt" well I asked Susie Deltarune and she had something stupid to say about it

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Gerson is re-living proof that kind, silly old mentor characters who can no diff your entire bloodline are one of the best archetypes in fiction. Every time it is used it is peak

Absolutely LOVE this man

[ID: a comic of Gerson from Deltarune. He's in the Dark World, rubbing his chin, and saying: "It appears I've woken up in some strange world of mystical magic... Well, first things first!"

He holds up a finger and asks: "Can I turn into a hot warrior?" With a poof, he transforms into the Hammer of Justice, standing in the exact same pose as he wears armor and holds his hammer.

He grins, and says: "Nice." Then, he runs off into the distance, declaring: "Time to find a lesbian in need." End ID.]

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YOU CALL IT COPE I CALL IT A HEADCANON (lying to myself)

So, we all know Shuttah, right? We all know how our favorite camerathing was ROBBED by being turn into a regular enemy that, at that, doesn’t even get the Snowdrake or Jerry teammate of being a regular enemy there is only one of. You can fill your entire cafe with Shuttahs. It feels lackluster since Shuttah was the most teased enemy of the chapter. Shuttah’s arm/eye shows up twice both at the start of the game and peaking from behind a trash can to take pictures of you. Shuttah appears behind a curtain if you go to the south of the green room before board 2. Shuttah is a boss who the entire photography mechanic of the 2nd board leads up to. All of this… to reveal that Shuttah is a regular enemy??? It just feels wrong especially since Tenna describes the camerathing like a singular entity

However!

HOWEVER!!!!!!

HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shuttah in game is the copy element and actively makes copies of things including itself. Not only that, while most clones made by Shuttah hold differences, the Shuttah clones can just be Shuttah pulling a different facial expression. For game balance reasons, every enemy Shuttah you make has less HP than the original, around 1/6th… but what if these Shuttahs are weaker because they ARE copies? THATS RIGHT FOR PURE 100% COPIUM I AM NOW GOING TO HEADCANON THAT THE REASON THERE ARE OTHER SHUTTAHS IS BECAUSE SHUTTAH IS ACTIVELY USING THAT COPY ABILITY TO COPY ITSELF! THIS IS WHY THEY ARE WEAKER! THIS IS WHY SUCH A HYPED UP ENEMY IS NOW JUST AN ENEMY! SHUTTAH IS JUST SHADOW CLONE JUTSUING! THIS IS MY NEW HEADCANON AND I WILL HOLD ONTO IT UNLESS TOBY LOOKS ME IN THE EYES AND TELL ME ITS WRONG AND EVEN THEN GOOD LUCK BECAUSE MY EYES WILL BE CLOSED!

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So, uh, yeah, apparently the person who commissioned it responded also..

https://x.com/lock85949/status/1937531913389871492

already made a post about this, there is no proof of this person’s claim and Sour Apple has ACTIVELY shown no shame in this art piece. Even if this person is telling the truth, even if for some twisted reason you can excuse this because the author chose to give in instead of block a person, as is Sour Apple clearly does not have any apprehension in making this art and didnt as soon as it became a PAID REWARD FOR ANYONE ON PATRON.

I know folks are looking for some kind of proof of innocence for Sour Apple, but there is none and that was clear the moment Sour Apple chose to double down.

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Well yeah, each part of their names are gendered (assuming you or anyone else reading this dunno the full scoop. If you do imma explain it anyway for those who may not)

they are based around El Nino and and La Nina, weather patterns roughly translating to “The Boy” and “The Girl.” The interesting thing is that in Spanish, El and La are both gendered versions of “The”

El is masculine

Nino is masculine

La is feminine

Nina is feminine

This means that Elnina (Masculine to Feminine) and Lanino (Feminine to Masculine) are both MTF and FTM names in the most literal way possible. THEIR NAMES LITERALLY SWAP GENDERS AFTER THE FIRST TWO LETTERS. Was this intentional? Maybe, coulda just been to make sure their presence wouldnt get mixed into searches about the real weather pattern, a smart way to mix things up. However it doesn’t change the fact you are right and those are indeed trans ass names

Listen but i'm just saying

Lanino amd Elnina are some trans ass names. If more of us could coordinate our names like that, you BET there'd be way more gender fucky jokes.

There simply is no cis explaination for it

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Yea, sourapple could’ve made a better explanation but with the lack of context in the response it’s just doubling down at this rate, it doesn’t explain:

-If it’s uncanonical, why is it not also detailed that “it’s in an universe where Sans didn’t become her parental figure”

-Why is she with her abuser/“parental” figure(lorewise)?

-Why Aliza still has an arm if she’s “aged up”? Even though there’ an OFFICAL aged up version without an arm?

(The intact arm may represent sans didn’t abused her but doesn’t explain if he’s still a parental figure or not)

-If all have even been explained, why did the artist also drew Sans x Papyrus???(according to twitter)

Now I don’t remember when Sans woulda become an actual parental figure outside of the lie Papyrus accidentally told, but that doesn’t change some factoids. For ease I’ll go down in order of ya own points with some of me own thoughts on em

Changing it to another universe honestly would not be okay either. This has been set up as the continuity in story and making an alternate timeline that completely changes story details just for semi-erotic artwork to be more moral is questionable at best. It’s just that not even doing that is worse

Yeah no this part is just a whole mess of problems. Sans is far older than her, would know her growing up, and didnt exactly have the most wholesome relationship with her in the story. In order for this ship to even be thought of you’d have to see Sans rip the arm off of a 12 year old and think “yeah that child would probably sit on his lap in a bikini when she grows up” and there is no way to arrive at that line of reasoning that ISNT insane lol

Not only does she keep her arm, but in the drawing in question she wears the comically large hair bow she had in the ruins. So not only did she lose an injury, she actively took on design elements from earlier in the story

The artist is a freak

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This is written like a parody post but somehow it’s fucking real and that’s crazy to me.

For anyone who doesn't have twitter, Sour Apple has addressed the situation about an hour ago

This is the most pathetic doubling down I've ever seen

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HORRORTALE SITUATION UPDATE

Sour Apple Studios has seen the situation and the answer? To it all https://x.com/sourappletweets/status/1937718936147206292?s=46&t=omhv1CidGKpyNi23luiSzg

Abhorrent. It’s abhorrent. The creator not only didnt do enough research on this to know you can just SEE the art without even getting the patron access but the end result to this was loosely hidden aggression that doesn’t even seem to realize a big part of the issue is specifically that the suggestive art involved Aliza and Sans. Yknow, Sans, the person who is way older than Aliza and woulda known them from the age of a child

When you make nsfw of a character you have an established child and adult version of its whatever. Thats the same thing as a character having an active adult version in a piece of media. Just as long as you use the adult design

When you barely use the adult design as nothing more than a little what if like once or twice and THEN produce erotic art of it it is admittedly sus as hell

When you just straight up either dont have an adult design or your erotic art not only doesn’t USE said adult design BUT HAS FEATURES FROM PAST DESIGNS FROM THE CHARACTER AS A CHILD then that is fucked up

Then you got all of that on top of it being paired with someone who is not only an adult while they are 12 in canon and would have, in the very timeline you gave for your erotic art, GROWN UP WITH THAT PERSON while having the person being old enough to be their father be an ACTUAL PLOT POINT by having a lie in the story of the child being said character’s child… thats just gross as hell

Sour Apple doesn’t care. Sour Apple doesn’t even see a reason to care. Sour Apple responded to this with actual spite and no actual research. To say this kind of behavior makes my stomach turn would insult my stomach and its newfound Olympian level athletic skills. My guts have done an acrobatic somersault off the table and demands respect for it

For those reading, do what you will with this information. Morals are a personal choice, and my personal viewpoint is that no amount of backtracking will undo the loss of faith I have in this creator.

Oh and as always if you are a proshipper or find this to be okay or anything, block me. I will be blocking you on sight too. Y’all’s tomfuckery ain’t right for my zoo enclosure’s enrichment

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you dont know what proshipping means also that is literally just a character in a bikini how puritanical can you be 😂

with all due respect, trust me there ain’t much there, it is explicitly suggestive art which is pairing Aliza with Sans. Even if it is aged up, the fact of the matter is Aliza met an adult Sans when she was 12. Dya know what ya call someone who meets a young child and then dates them when they grow up? The lore of the image is literally Aliza growing up underground as seen by @zombee04’s images of the full text and features posing which is anything but sfw and platonic

even without that lore, wouldnt this dynamic only be able to be based off her interactions as a 12 year old? You’d have to see the 12 year old and the person being old enough to be her father as an actual plot point in the story and say “yeah they’d be together once she’s an adult” to even age her up for that and anyone with that line of logic is sus as hell to me

People be bending over BACKWARDS to excuse this LMAO

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https://www.tumblr.com/error84744838/787265365014118400/i-dont-know-what-to-make-of-this-situation-but-a A important addition to your post if it is true the person is the one who commissioned it says who they are

yeah I don’t really trust that when

The author apparently has a DEFINED HISTORY of stuff like this that just didn’t happen to spread

The author put it up on patron for other people to pay to see which shows zero actual shame in it

There is no proof of this person’s claims

Even if this wasn’t the case, there is no scenario in which an author should be okay with drawing a 12 year old in a suggestive situation with an adult they would have grown up with. Even if you are okay with aging up your OC, which IMO can be sus if you are just doing it for erotic stuff but an official adult version is an official adult version, you should never be okay with something which can only be described as in universe grooming because if you are an adult, watched a child grow up, and then dated said child… that is indeed sus as hell. There is no excuse for that that I’ll accept. Fiction or not in order to make suggestive artwork about that scenario you’d have to find the idea as anything other than repulsive let alone hot and if anyone is in that boat reading this please block me because I will do the same if I see you proshipping. It’s just more streamlined if we both act

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While your post wasn’t intended to be a witch hunt people are going to do it anyway. It has always been a issue in the fandom, so congrats on unintentionally fueling the fire of that whole mess.

Im not going to willingly hide what I find amoral, thats a cringe ass nae nae thing to do. People have the right to know and it ain’t like this technically wasn’t public information in the first place.

Only replying to this because I know this anon is hardly going to be the only one with this view. An info post I expected to reach 5-20 people has grown far larger than I could have expected after all, I ain’t dumb enough to expect some folks aren't gonna want to shoot the messenger. I also ain’t dumb enough to expect this to change that too much. I just wanna streamline people’s views both stated and unstated LOL

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Genuine question, as someone who's never cared or engaged in horrortale prior because I didn't like the character interpretation of it, was it confirmed Aliza is originally a minor? I just assumed, when I saw the art, that she was an adult and I never looked into it, and I'm having trouble finding direct quotes

Aliza being young enough to be accidentally passed off as Sans’s child is a plot point in the comic

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Tom Nook’s backstory is literally being disillusioned by the tough city livings, going home, and becoming arguably the nicest realtor ever. While his kind nature does technically make him “easier to take advantage of,” he has history with a notable con artist and could probably spot ENAs schemes just by familiarity alone. Don’t forget ENA has so far failed to sway a single person in the chapter of the game we got and instead mostly just gets yanked around into different tasks

The question isnt about who’s scamming who, but moreso who’s more likely to offer something the other would buy and thats more complicated because while Nook does generally give good deals… ENA isnt likely to be in the market for house shopping any time soon. On the other side ENA’s schemes arent EVER likely to work on Nook. Based on the fact ENA is more likely to end up homeless due to spontaneous meteor strike before Nook is to fall for something, Nook is probably the winner via process of elimination

ROUND 1 - TOM NOOK vs ENA

Will Tom Nook sell Ena a house and house upgrades in exchange for money/bells?

OR will Ena sell Tom Nook "Prism Schemes", and possibly consulting services or employment opportunities in exchange for chocolate coins and also just for the love of the game?

PROPAGANDA

TOM NOOK

(nothing submitted. Make his case if you wish!)

ENA

"One of her sides is literally named 'salesperson Ena.' She was absolutely born for the role, and given how many weird characters she interacts with, she could probably convince a rock into a pyramid scheme if she tried hard enough."

"'What are your pain points? What's your problem? What are our business struggles today? Let me help you invest in your future!" 'YOU FOOL. SPONSOR MY DEMONS! FEED ME THE CAAAASH!'

Like the other Ena, this Ena has two sides to her. One is her energetic and personable "salesperson" side, always hustling to find business, offer divestment opportunities, and network with fellow entrepreneurs to 'contract their genius germs'. The other is her "meanie" side, fed up with everyone's bullshit and is sick of her job, but VERY insistent on getting paid. With her pushy sales tactics, almost indecipherable corporate lingo, and explosive outbursts, I think she can talk anyone into handing over all the chocolates.

'Bless you for your business!'"

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Giving Wing Gaster the proper run back on this as apparently this is hardly the first case of a small group of tumblr users finding this kind of thing. This is some deep seated tomfuckery and I feel like making that at least slightly more known is a good call

could you explain how horrortale is ableist? i had no idea, and i'm shocked that it falls into those horrible characterisation :(

but if you don't want to, that's totally chill too! you don't owe some anon anything lmao ^-^

since I’ve had a couple people ask, I’m going to provide a slightly more in-depth explanation of why horrortale is ableist. content warnings for everything below the cut: ableism (obviously), discussion of graphic gore, unsettling content, and flagrant mischaracterization of sans undertale.

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