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as someone Equally Insane about dessknight please give me your essay

at this point i kind of don't understand how you can come to any other conclusion

what we know about the knight:

they're a lightner (because susie saw them outside the dark world at the end of chapter 3)

they are able to communicate with kris via phone calls in some capacity, but don't seem to be capable of complex speech (and cell phones do not work in the dark world)

they share a goal with kris in some capacity (opening fountains/probably reviving the titans)

they created at least the second and fourth chapter's fountains

what we know about dess:

she disappeared some unspecified amount of time ago, and her disappearance somehow cost asgore his job as a cop

she is associated with baseball and wiffle bats

she is associated with the number 1225

she has the code to the shelter written inside her guitar, the first 3 numbers of which are 122

she promised to take noelle "to a place like [cyber city]"

So the first mention we ever have of the roaring knight by name is at the end of chapter 2, when Queen repeatedly references the fact that the knight created the fountain and, by extension, cyber city. Granted, we don't know exactly how kris/the knight choose the locations for the fountains, but it's significant imo that dess told noelle she'd take her somewhere like this, "somewhere with flashing lights," and then noelle just so happened to be in the computer lab when the fountain was created and the dark world that was created from the knight's will happened to have a whole carnival in it. note that the other dark world that we know the knight created, the church in chapter 4, was nowhere near as bright and upbeat as the computer lab. it seems like that world was created for a different purpose. Not to mention this fucking moon

is so blatantly a baseball. "I wish dess could see this" dont worry baby. she did

The next time we get a mention of the knight (and the first time we actually see them) is at the end of chapter 3. several things are important to note here. the first is that the code you have to enter to open the door into the room where the roaring knight encounter takes place is 1225--december 25th. literally a december holiday. The room is full of snow and ends with a Christmas tree. like. come on. The 1225 door code is also specifically a parental lock "to prevent the viewing of musical videos." earlier in the chapter, tenna mentions that dess would "grab the remote and swap it from cartoons... to that wild music video channel toriel forbid you to see." In order to get to the roaring knight you have to enter December Holiday into a lock on december holiday's favorite channel and then walk through a room very obviously themed after The December Holiday. at a certain point it's almost too blatant. How does everyone not see this immediately

What we also get in chapter 3 is the actual reveal of what the knight looks like. granted, the holiday-style reindeer horns don't necessarily mean december is the only option here, since there are at least 3 other characters we know have antlers like that. HOWEVER. there are two much more blatant design choices that imply dess is the knight. the first is the knight's fast-travel form:

that is a fucking baseball. tell me im wrong

the second is this specific frame from the knight's weapon-summoning animation:

I will grant you that this weapon almost immediately becomes a sword. however. this is blatantly a wiffle bat. Which noelle SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS DESS USING MULTIPLE TIMES. i mean COME ON

Final thoughts: I think a lot of kris's motivation becomes MUCH clearer if we assume that dess is the roaring knight. we know that kris's family was damaged by her disappearance and that asgore thinks something happened to her but no one else believes him. If he and/or kris witnessed whatever happened to dess that turned her into the roaring knight, (which, based on the fact that dess had the shelter code, was probably related in some way to the shelter) the way they act immediately makes sense--asgore, after being blamed for dess's death and shunned by most of the town due to his insistence that something supernatural occurred, teamed up with carol, who also believes that there's something more to her daughter's disappearance. Kris, either out of a desire to fix their family or guilt over whatever they witnessed in connection to dess's disappearance, helps the knight in the hope of "fixing" her or at the very least atoning for the suffering she must have experienced.

I don't believe that carol could be the knight partially due to the constant fucking baseball references but also because she and the roaring knight have very different "phone voices"--at the end of chapter 4 of the weird route, carol (or at the very least someone HEAVILY IMPLIED to be carol) calls kris instead of the roaring knight, and she's given a regular dialog box and speaks normally, while when the knight is (implied to be) the one talking on the phone they get that weird shaky dialog box and their speech is rough and broken. Since we know phones don't work in the dark world, it's implied that the knight talks like that in the light world, too, which frankly carol would have literally no reason to do.

tldr dessknight real. i think it would be kind of funny if asgore still hit her with his car though

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Hard to get out of bed sometimes

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so, uh, those new chapters eh?

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Expression study (feat. Kris Dreemurr having a normal one 👍)

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a hero

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something silly to welcome the new chapters!!

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so i'll see ya tomorrow

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…So with ‘Raise Up Your Bat’ having the ‘Lost Girl’ Leitmotif, Tenna bringing up Dess Holiday just before the minigame starts

And the, y’know, bat motif

It’s pretty reasonable to assume that this song is about Dess on some level (well, the original lyrics, anyways)…

A song named "Raise Up Your Bat" by 'Blood Crushers the Band" does seem to exist diegetically. Noelle brings it up on her Blog during the Spamton Sweepstakes.

But with the 'Lost Girl' Leitmotif and the repeat of the Game's own arc words

It's hard to imagine this is just a random song that Dess likes... Maybe the 'Musical Prodigy' had her own little garage band at some point and "Blood Crushers the Band" is literally just Dess and a few friends so she wrote the lyrics and the melody, or... is this song a modification of the 'real' Raise Up Your Bat created from the Dark World?

Well, I don't think it was intentionally written by Tenna or his staff to evoke Dess. I don’t think Tenna was aware of the sort of inner turmoil and conflict this song implies. His thing through the entire chapter is that his fixed-in-place status as a TV and his nostalgia to the good-ol’-days has kept him ignorant of what’s really going on with the Dreemurrs and the Holidays.

I think this must work similarly to something like Chapter 2’s “December Walk”, where Noelle was reminiscing about her sister and her childhood as the puzzle she was solving just happened to spell out ‘December’ without her even noticing it

Or the Sudden Heart-Covered Ferris Wheel just as Susie came to her rescue.

I think that with the Dark Worlds already kinda working on ‘Dream Logic’, that is another aspect of them being kinda like dreams. Dark Worlds are affected by the minds and feelings of the Lightners inside of them, not just at the moment of their creation, but even at the moment, a subconscious thought from a Lightner can affect events in the Dark World around them.

So when Kris was put into a rock music show and Tenna started talking about Dess, that made them think about Dess and "Raise Up Your Bat" came into their head as a rock song she likes. But since they don't know the lyrics/melody by heart, and since they are only thinking of this song through the lens of Dess, a version of that song conjured up spontaneously to Tenna's show and it's lyrics were modified by Kris' thoughts of Dess. As symbolized by the fact that even 'Lost Girl' became part of the melody.

(I guess it's kind of a more serious subconscious version of what Ralsei was doing consciously)

So what this song would really teach us is what Kris thinks of Dess, what sort of things she told them and what sort of things they think she would’ve told them if she could. Especially when you consider this song starts out singing about a ‘Demon Heart’ and blood gushing.

Kris imagines Dess would encourage them to keep going, that she will tell them to keep fighting even against their extremely grim circumstances

That she would want them to follow her into the Dark.

That's my read of the song, anyways.

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Come follow me into the dark

With your heart as the ark

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unfortunately i am a diehard suselle shipper and very aromantic about kris and susie being best friends so i cannot get on board with all the new krusie/krusielle stuff

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This is how the study session scene in Noelle's house in Chapter 4 went.

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First post on tumblr hey guys!!

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Suselle dancing prom animation!!!

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soulmates !

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i love that this is basically canon btw

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happy to be around you