Kylo Ren, systemic abuse, and why calling him an emo kid isnāt helping.
Letās talk about Kylo Ren, shall we?
(Iām going to spoil some aspects of the movie, so if you havenāt seen it yet, get thee to a cinema!)
Kylo Ren is an ongoing victim of severe psychological and mental abuse. He is a scared and very dangerous victim who is continuing to attempt to please his abuser.
In the context of the film, he does many indefensible things; I will not attempt to defend them. Heās a turd.
But letās talk about why, and letās do it in a way that takes into account the fact that Ben Solo was groomed by a sadistic abuser from a very young age. As the Force-sensitive son of a high-profile member of the Republic and Resistance, he was basically a sitting duck for Snoke. The conversion of Ben Solo to Kylo Ren, potential Sith Lord, is killing blow meant for Leia and Luke.
Iām going to address a comment that frustrated me when I read it this afternoon. The claim was:
āBen Solo should have known better, he was raised surrounded by love and supportive people.ā
This, in my opinion, incorrectly places the onus on Ben Solo (Kylo Ren) to resist his abuser and creates an expectation where we, the audience, assign the blame of abuse to the abused. This is often something that happens to men whoāve been abused or sexually assaulted. Kylo Renās actions often support this narrative.
He is still trying to please his abuser, but does not idolize him; he fears him. He has literally been forced to murder his own father to prove that heās evil enough to be a good servant, and has been ordered to murder his uncle/mentor as well. When Kylo Ren reveals to Snoke that Rey is strong, itās both a cringing apology for his own inability to get intel from her and a plea for a second chance to subdue her. He is afraid.
He was groomed as a āChosen Oneā, to the point where he canāt believe a mere āgirlā would be strong enough in the Force to challenge him.Ā His idolization of his grandfather, prophesied Chosen One Anakin Skywalker, reflects thisāeven if he has bent the narrative to suit his needs.
He desires very strongly to have control over others, as he feels powerless when faced with his own abuser. This is why he restrains his prisoners and intimidates them before he uses the Force to get in their heads. He craves the psychological upper hand.
Any support he had from his family growing up likely felt tenuous, considering the fact that he was constantly bombarded with insidious and poisonous abuse from within. He is literally made of chaos, which is Dark Side catnip. Doubt, anxiety, anger, fear and pain is exactly the nasty stuff that makes the Dark Side look better; by seeding a young Force-sensitive child with these traits, Snoke partially inoculated Ben Solo against the Light.
It bears remembering that he also has a family history of men who struggle with staying away from the Dark Side of the Force, and we are encouraged to infer that some Jedi always struggle with that temptation more than others. The movies indicate that Force-sensitivity is hereditary, and leave open the imputation that the strength of the pull to the Dark Side may also be. This would make Ben Solo a more suggestible and malleable target for Snoke, again through no fault of his own.
The parallels to sexism/toxic masculinity arenāt accidental. The scene where he tells Rey he can ātake what he wantsā is a clear reference to sexual assault. When she resists him, thatās where the power balance shifts away from Kylo Ren, rendering him a little off-balance; when Rey gains more control over the Force, he is further chaotic and weakened. This has happened to him before, but here, he feels he is meant to have the upper hand, and his worst fears are confirmed: he is not strong enough to overcome Rey, and therefore will not be as strong as Darth Vader, the idolized ideal of the strength the Dark Side can produce.
We need to stop dismissing Kylo Ren as a spoiled emo kid who feels entitled to get what he wants; this narrative is unsupported by the text and particularly damaging in light of the ongoing abuse he suffers.
Kylo Ren should definitely be held accountable for his actions. (Han Solo isnāt ever going to be unkilled.) Whatever Kylo Renās motives are, whatever his reasons or trauma, he still did those things. But I strongly suggest we change the language around why. By assigning blame to Kylo Ren for not being āstrong enoughā to resist Snoke, we effectively blame him for being abused. And that idea is toxic.
For anyone worried about missing anything in BG3 or replaying the game and wanting to find something they missed thereās a ton of checklists available online and Iām just gonna post the ones Iāve been using for all the acts in case anybody else wants to reference them!
I get the feeling Astarion is like, suuuper manipulative. I just started playing bg3, and itās really fun, and of course I started romancing Astarion. It took me almost 100 hours but Iām beginning to realize just how manipulative he is.
I probably shouldāve noticed it was sooner but Iāve never exactly been the most noticeable when it comes to that. But starting from the beginning when he almost kills you instead of letting you talk, then joins you, then sweet talks you into you letting him bite you, to the constant flirty and generally āsweetā demeanor. But like, there are some stuff that I didnāt notice until I got to act three and ascended Astarion and it made it so much more obvious because itās so much more prevalent than it was before.
Like his disdain for almost everyone. He jokes about murder so casually and carelessly. Jokes about slavery which was super surprising to me because he IS a slave. Or was rather. Then his pet names. Like I donāt think Iāve ever heard him just save the name or anything just āthingā and of course theirs darling, love, all that but he usually calls you a sweet thing or a generous thing, and now he calls me pet all the time or little love but mostly pet.
Which I have to say is super shocking because of his disdain for animals. Like he basically hates animals and enjoys torturing them. He even likens goblins and koboloids to them and says theyāre pretty much good for feeding and torturing and that likesā¦itā¦and Iām playing as a high elf but he is calling me a pet.
I know thereās that heartwarming scene in act two but it comes off kinda manipulative too. The whole āI donāt know what Iām doing Iāve only done these things on the whim of my master and so youāll have to be patient with me if I fuck up and I need your help to really understand myselfā which I totally fell for. Iām guessing if you donāt let Astarion ascend thereās a less demanding Astarion, but at the same time Iām seeing people say he goes back to being his regular self but his regular self is incredibly manipulative to a fault, and enjoying the humiliation and shame of the person he claimes to care for
Donāt get me wrong. I love a well done fantasy bad boy. And it was pretty clear Astarion wasnāt a good guy given how much he approved of murder, humiliation, and shaming. Iām not mad or anything in fact itās almost amazing how well his character is written and Iām somewhat baffled by just how perfect it was. Iām just shocked I didnāt notice how manipulative he was to the main character until act three. The whole master slave relationship he had with Cazador really had him blinding me lol.
Iāve also seen people say he isnāt bad itās just trauma. I mean, maybe, but if thatās the case why doesnāt he have sympathy for other slaves like himself? If it was truly just trauma he should feel bad but he gets super disapproving if you help the slaves out. And why would he revel in the power he has over other people when scenes like loviatar come up. Even Shadowheart seemed a bitā¦ehā¦on that scene but Astarion was practically drooling. Not to mention the whole ādonāt you dare say noā. Iām kinda curious what would happen if I did say no.
As a whole Astarion is a lot more abusive and dominating and sadistic than I had previously noticed. Not that I mind. I love a good evil character. Especially in games books and tv (not irl of course) but they arenāt usually done with such perfection. And I havenāt donāt other walk through yet but apparently he changes his phrases based off how you come onto him and what you say. Rather than having a generally similar outlook irregardless of what you say, like shadowheart, gale, Wyll, laezal. Pretty much everyone else.
So, Iām looking at this thread of post that originating from Thor fans who claimed to have Loki as theirĀ āfavoriteā character going around into Lokiās fans post to justifying Lokiās electrocution scene and completely demonizing him by twisting his character interpretation in the most negative way possible, such as his motives, backstory, etc: (Ā http://kurukka.tumblr.com/post/169091186112/helshades-star-sought-light-whitedaydreamĀ )
When I read the post, I feel the urge to counter almost of their points. I was firstly made this in my re-blog (I feel so stupid about this) which I wrote that in a hurry so it resulted in a mess thatās hard to be understood (like seriously, the language I made was so complicated and thatās the reason on why I edits that in this post), but then I think about just posting it as my own (I really didnāt think through this. I feels like my mind isnāt that clear).
Since thereās so many subjects of discussion I want to counter from that link, Iām planning make other posts about countering those statement in different way.Ā
And this is the part 1 of my thread:
So what Iām now doing is to counter about this particular subject that I found in that post.Ā
In the link above, one of the statement that you can see is that theyāre undermining Lokiās backstory by saying that all warriors 3 did to him was onlyĀ āfriendly-teasingā.Ā
Also, I beg to differ with you on ābullied [ā¦] all the timeā.
Volstagg teased Loki about his silver tongue turning to lead, which is a type of joke common in friendships where we often tease one another, and was more ābanterā than ābullyingā. Iāve heard friends say much worse from āfuck offā to ādude, youāre such an idiotā ā¦ itās not typically bullying, as so much depends upon tone and established boundaries by those parties and cultural differences.
Sif did suspect him of treachery, but - hey - she turned out to be right.
Now, Iām saying this with Loki as my favourite character, but he is not routinely bullied or mocked by his friends
Let me debunk about those particular section of statements by breaking down points per points:
a. Thereās the difference on what called as friendly-teasing and negative-taunting. Let me make this thing clears here: Both friendly-teasing acts and negative-taunting acts exists and displayed in many forms/ways of expressions according to the each difference of those cultures. However, thereās the core thing that really sets these two actions apart and as two different acts regardless of the cultures differences or not.
And that core thing is the person who got teased/tauntedās reaction itself. The personās reaction is what you must measuring in order to differentiate between the two acts whether thatās a teasing or taunting, and this is a core thing of the two acts difference, and this basic applies to all different cultures.
Here to explain the basic difference between teasing and taunting first.
Teasing:
Is intended to get both parties to laugh.
Isnāt intended to hurt the other person.
Pokes fun in a light-hearted, clever, and benign way that doesnāt hurt a person part of identity.
Is discontinued when person teased becomes upset or objects to the teasing.
Taunting:
Includes laughter directed at the target, not with the target.
Is intended to harm.
Involves humiliating, cruel, demeaning, or bigoted comments thinly disguised as jokes.
Continues especially when targeted kid becomes distressed or objects to the taunt.Ā
And also, this is the condition on when the act of teasing can be continued:Ā
Both parties are laughing, smiling and joking with each other.
Both individuals sense that the teasing is playful and not meant to be hurtful.
The person being teased responds in a playful way, which increases his or her like-ability in the group.
And this is when the act of teasing should stop immediately:
Facial expressions convey that the other person is feeling hurt by the comments.
Comments are derogatory in nature, insulting and mean-spirited.
The teaser shows disdain and dislike for the other person.
Letās examine the scene and Lokiās reaction when Volstagg made the joke.Ā
Did Loki laugh together with Volstagg after that? Did his facial expressions showing happiness/laughing together with the jokes?
And in addition, I quote something from the script of the first Thor:
Volstagg and Fandral share a laugh.
Only Volstagg and Fandral share a laugh, not Loki.Ā
Loki never laugh when Volstagg made thatĀ ājokeā. In fact, his facial expressions convey that heās feeling hurt by the comments, that he definitely never sense that ājokeā as playful. That wasnāt an act in which both parties were laughing and smiling. Itās an act in which only the person who made the joke laughing while the person that got taunted was expressing discomfort.Ā
And surely this isnāt the first time Volstagg attempted to ājokingā with him in those 1000 years, right? Did Volstagg never noticed Lokiās reaction or did he just intentionally ignored it? Considering that this isnāt the first time Volstagg doing it to him either, why didnāt he discontinued this act if he saw Lokiās negative expression?Ā
Letās also talk about Asgardians culture.Ā
Was āteasingā like that was something that usual in their culture? Asgardians definitely often joking a lot, but did you see theyāre ājokingā something that degrading a personās ability other than when they did that to Loki? They never joking about something that degrading Thorās ability as you can see in both Thor 1 and Thor 2, and in fact, what theyāre doing the opposite. Itās clear that theyāre favoring Thor while just regard Loki as something inferior, and also show disdain and dislike to Loki.Ā
Warriors 3, Lady Sif, and Thor was directly ignoring Lokiās reaction/words/opinions as shown by the scenes in the earlier beginning part of the movie. Many of what they said to him was derogatory in nature (about hisĀ ātricksā, taunting his ability to persuade), and treating him as inferior person.Ā
The joke that Volstagg made was actually taunting Lokiās ability to persuade others. By doing so, he degrading Lokiās ability and highlighting his recent failure.
What they did to him in that bridge scene was taunting, not teasing.Ā Ā
I mean, letās pretend that what Volstagg did was really āteasingā. But act of teasing itself has division called as positive teasing in which the impact to the person who got teased is either positive/neutral and negative teasing in which impacts the person negatively. Not even teasing behavior itself is all positive, and as much whether itās a good intention or not, the negative impact of negative teasing isnāt what you should dismissing it as nothing considering how much it affects on personās behavior /personality /thoughts /upbringing.
And this is what you should regard Lokiās problem as, not as something that only exist in vacuum or only small problem. Emotional bullying is never a small thing to be undermined.Ā
b. And let me now Ā thereās this solid reason called as NARRATIVE REASON.
The first Thor movie is used to established the initial condition/environment/circumstances regarding characterās status, personality, condition, and their relationship with others around them.Ā Itās to tell the viewers about the initial habit of the character before thereās something change.Ā
In this case, those scenes about Thor interrupting Loki withĀ āenoughā and telling him toĀ āknow his placeā in which Thor done that in just couple of minutes/hours basically telling you about his initial personality and habit, in which he unconsciously treat his brother as inferior and a self-centered person whoās arrogant and boastful before thereās an event that changing it all for him to got development regarding his bad behavior/personality.Ā
The very first act of Thor movie isnāt without the use. Thereās the reason and point on why those shots exists, those scene exists. Those things arenāt exist in vacuum only. Ignoring the narrative and point of these scenes is the very basic ignorance.Ā
So, what I want to say is that, donāt dismiss Lokiās problem as nothing, donāt undermining of what he had gone through as only imagined slight, donāt try to change the fact that what Loki being often mocked/taunted by changing it into thatĀ ābut heās just being teased not bulliedā. The narrative reason of that scene wants to tell you that Lokiās feelings/opinions often ignored by Thor and his friends, and this is true. You can easily just get this feeling by observing theĀ āget helpā scene in which Thor ignoring Lokiās direct expression of dislike just because Thor likes it.Ā
As to counter some statement that I quoted for the link above:Ā
Thor teased him about his helmet, but Loki gave back as good as he got and took it in good humour.
But Loki never returning Thorās āsome do battles, some do tricksā mocks with counter-jokes, nor when Thor ordering him to āknow his placesā either. He just there took it all in silent. Itās usual for him to receive that, so no surprise for him at all.Ā
in fact, even with Thor gone, they still accepted him into their social circle and included him in their interactions, and it was he who rejected them by hiding his promotion to šand alienating them from both Frigga and Thor and restricting their freedoms.
Thereās a reason on why Loki ārejectedā them and hiding his promotion as a king. LokiĀ ārejectedā them because he distrust them and never regard them as his close friends.Ā Ā
Why he never regard them as hisĀ āfriendsā in the first place? Whatās the reason? If you observe The Warriors 3 and Lady Sifās treatment to Loki all the movie, they never have respect for him and his position, always suspecting any negative about him even if the reason they had was only a weak and biased assumptions due to their blind side/loyalty to Thor.Ā
Just look at the warriors 3 and Lady Sifās reaction when they found out Loki was their king. They couldnāt even stop disrespecting him in every way possible by laughing when calling him as the king, not to mention their disbelief also displeased expressions. Loki must assumed about their reactions before, and he turned out to be right.Ā
Tell me how theyĀ āaccepted him into their social circleā again? I just canāt see it at all.Ā
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I donāt feel like Iāve seen Guilty until Iāve seen it in multiple variations - different outfits - different lighting - different hair - the plethora of live performances is feeeeeding me
Heās born for the stage. And the choom performance?
The only people who work harder than this guy are all the gif makers on tumblr.