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Finished Chapter 2 of Goose Chase. Now I just have to proof read it

It went from a 2 chapter story to a 3 chapter story tho. Anyway If you wanna read it before i update, here it is:

It's about Toji surviving after his fight with Gojo, and taking Megumi and Tsumiki with him as they run away from Gojo. Ch. 2 up hopefully by this weekend.

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for anyone who writes/reads madatobi, I want to start getting into it but I wanna know the general vibe of how Tobirama is portrayed. Is his prejudice and treatment of Madara like...called out?

Is it acknowledged or brushed under the rug. Like do madatobi writers acknowledge, in general, that his treatment of the Uchiha isn't good? Like what is the general way in which Tobirama's thoughts and prejudice are handled.

(is there any sympathy of acknowledgment for how Tobirama himself seems to target Madara or for what happened to Izuna. I debate on getting into the ship, but i want to make sure I understand the vibe)

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Thinking of an AU where mid-Kyuubi attack, Obito snaps out of it and uses his Sharingan to help Minato and Kushina rather than killing them.

Damage has been done. But not as much as possible. But it's been done nevertheless. Kushina and Minato are heavily injured, Naruto is the new Jinchuriki, and the village is in shambles.

He is arrested immediately afterwards, in pain due to the Rasengan and incredibly depressed.

Because of how heavily he was manipulated, it's debatable if he should be held fully responsible for what happened or not.

At the end of the day Minato advocates for him regardless of the evidence, though their relationship is strained.

Through tears and tears he apologizes to his Sensei, only to be left alone in the interrogation room when Minato leaves and says nothing.

He gets off the hook and gets his own place to live in. His grandmother is dead so he spends most of his time alone.

Kakashi occasionally checks in on him. Mikoto (with Itachi at her side, and by associate Sasuke in Itachi's little cloth sling) does as well, given that he's an Uchiha and she married into the clan.

Fugaku visits, sparingly, and says nothing about his standing in the clan. From what Obito has gathered, Fugaku controlled the fox when Obito's own eye gave out. The consequences have been monumental to Fugaku's eyes.

Still, he hangs idly in the background while his wife and children ensure Obito is at least eating and taking his medicine.

Obito deals with his new life...okay.

He is suicidal. So is Kakashi. So they joke about it, a lot. It's a strange, but it helps them both cope. Obito never thought he'd live to see Kakashi the optimistic one out of the two. But here they are.

Their new rivalry centered around who can outlive the other.

Mikoto continues her check-ins. Eventually she comes everyday. He asks about how Kushina is doing. Mikoto tells him she's well, but he can see the way she forces a smile.

Kushina hates him--that much is clear without being said. His sensei pretends he no longer exists. They've both moved him out of their lives and kept their child safe from him.

He doesn't blame him, he would too.

He first tries to kill himself when Kakashi is away on a mission. He gets sick thinking Kakashi will die, the anxiety burning out into a deep depression. He'll be truly alone.

And tired. Incredibly tired. He leaves a note for Mikoto, and another apology to Kushina and Minato. And another one to Kakashi.

His eyes, he says, can be given to Fugaku. Let it be an apology to the Uchiha. No doubt because his actions cast a darker shadow of oppression over the clan.

He doesn't really think he can deal with the rest of his life being so...empty.

When he wakes up, Minato by his side in his hospital room--only, it's not a hospital room. Its a home. And there's a slobbering blond toddler, not much older than Sasuke, sitting on his bed. Babbling to him.

Kushina and Mikoto are in the background, talking in hushed tones about what Obito will later come to know as the new direction of his life.

He can't speak well, given he slit his throat. He still tries. He wants to apologize. Again. It seems that's all he can do when it comes to his old Sensei and his wife.

Minato shushes him. And explains briefly that he knows everything--

About Madara, about Rin, everything.

His sensei has been crying, and in a strange turn of events, he apologizes to Obito. If Obito could speak, he would beg his Sensei to stop. But since he cannot, he settles for staring at the man with wide eyes.

After promising everything will be okay (Obito finds it hard to believe that) , Minato leaves to go speak to Kakashi in the other room. Kakashi offers a weak wave, and Obito feels more guilty than he has in a very long time.

It doesn't last.

Because the baby makes his way to Obito's chest and begins to pull his hair. His eyes are big and blue, and he's got whiskers on his face.

He looks cute and funny at the same time. And Obito cannot believe this is the baby he held in his arms months ago preparing to kill.

He doesn't mean to cry. He doesn't get to cry.

At the first sign of tears, the baby slaps him as babies do. It stings, but behind it is fat and cartilage.

Still, he is slapped. And he is stunned. And the baby does it again, almost as if to say we're even now so you can stop being a baby!

He can't help himself. He laughs. It's an ugly, painful thing given the healing slit in his neck. But pain is the most he's felt in ages, and it's cushioned by the humor at it's core.

It feels good.

Kushina runs over, summoned by the wheezing and coughing. She apologizes for her baby (Naruto, he's called) and apologize for her absence and her anger. And it's not put together like Minato's was, it's ugly and full of tears, and hiccups, and snot, and desperation.

"I was just angry, he was my baby and you tried to hurt us but you didn't really mean it and you stopped and I'm sorry no one came to save you but me and Mikoto have a plan where you'll stay with us for one week and you'll stay with your clan the next..."

The rest is incomprehensible, muffled by Kushina's tears and Mikoto's attempts to comfort her friend. Itachi follows closely behind, comforting his mother's friend with his small embrace around her legs.

When Obito can speak, he'll let her know her anger was justified. Madara involved or not, Obito tried to kill a child. A sin he'll never forgive himself from.

But with Kushina and Mikoto drapped over him, with Naruto pulling his nose, with Itachi attempting to comfort everyone, and Minato explaining the situation to Kakashi in the next room, he thinks he can move forward.

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I know it's a common trope to make Madara outwardly rude to Mito whenever she's introduced in a HashiMada story, but I find that to be inaccurate characterization of him.

He was as civil as possible to Tobirama Senju, canonically, the man who spread rumors about his clan, killed his baby brother, and who made no attempt to be kind nor inviting to Madara despite Madara being the founder of the village.

Madara never once snapped at him or reacted rudely to Tobirama--he put up with a lot of bs before leaving the village.

So if he's willing to treat the man who killed his only remaining brother and spreads rumors about his clan, I think he'd be willing to be civil to Mito, no matter his feelings for Hashirama.

He'd just internalize his dislike, but I don't believe he'd be an asshole to Mito.

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I don't think Tobirama is responsible for the eventual collapse of the Ninja World during the 4th ninja world, but I definitely believe he set down the foundation for it.

I do think he is the antithesis of everything Madara and Hashirama worked so hard to put together, and that his bias against the Uchiha (thus fanning the flames) was supposed to be a flaw in itself.

He is contrary to the unity his brother and Madara worked hard to achieve, and that bias he formed against the Uchiha did so much harm.

Kishimoto is not a great writer, but it would have been so interesting to see Tobirama have introspection on his role in all of this.

Tobirama ensured the Uchiha and Senju tensions never ended, and it truly did not.

Letting go of his own prejudices would not have resulted in the systemic oppression of a clan.

I think the most tragic part is that Madara was always willing until he wasn't anymore.

He was willing to see past what happened between Izuna and Tobirama for the villages sake. He was willing to break bread with his brother's killer if it meant the village would be at peace.

Idk their parallels are everything. Tobirama is a terrible person, and eventually Madara is not much better, but truly so much would have been avoided had Tobirama just...acted more like Founders Era Madara.

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I'll agree to disagree with your points about the Uchiha in general. I do believe they were systemically oppressed--and that they did have a legitimate reason to want to go against the village.

Canonically even Hiruzen acknowledges this. Even the information about their emotions is told from an incredibly biased source--Tobirama--who's own relations with the Uchiha were incredibly dubious.

I'm squarely in the team that the Uchiha were an oppressed class. I can akin their situation to numerous minority groups today. Who, despite their children being able to be integrated into different schools, and certain members of their community having respect, they are still discriminated against.

We may have to agree to disagree on that, but I appreciate the nuance you gave to Itachi.

I also agree it is very hard to judge what they do from our perspective. What the Uchiha did was not unusual. Itachi furthers this by putting his brother, a child, through an incredibly difficult situation. He puts a burden on Sasuke's shoulder's that fuck over sasuke for the rest of his life. So we see Itachi enabling the same cycle he was a victim of.

In general I think Itachi and his clan deserved better. I'm not anti-Konoha either, but I am very pro-Uchiha.

If the Uchiha clan really wanted to become Hokage, then why didn’t more of them put in the effort to rise like Itachi did?

If the clan had multiple shinobi on his level as talented, disciplined, and respected, the village wouldn’t have been able to sideline them so easily.

Power isn’t just something you demand. It’s something you earn.

An entire clan, and the only one considered a ‘genius’ was a child barely 7 to 10 years old. What were the rest of them doing?

They turned that child into a political tool to fulfill their own extremist ambitions.

Instead of putting in the effort to earn power through strength and integrity, they pushed all their frustrations and expectations onto one kid. And when he didn’t serve their agenda, they labeled him a traitor.

If they’re so determined to stage a coup, then earn the strength and carry the burden themselves. Don’t shove it onto a child and pretend their hands are clean.

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I like Itachi, and am pro-Uchiha so I wanted to give my two cents (because I don't really disagree with you).

On the subject of an Uchiha being a Hokage, the discrimination they faced made that incredibly slim. They had been forced into an incredibly unpopular position in the village, and any chance of winning a popular vote may've gone down the drain with that.

Regarding Itachi and the Uchiha clan--I think they put their eggs in a basket because Itachi had a foot in just about every pot, and I also think the systemic oppression they experienced made it difficult for any other Uchiha to follow in suit.

I don't believe he should have killed his clan, but I don't necessarily think it's a huge condemnation of his character that he did (especially since he was just 14 years old). In general he was probably freaking the fuck out, and when left in a corner, he did what he best thought made sense (which, for his objectives, it sorta-kinda does).

Additionally, he was preyed on by village higher ups that may've manipulated him into doing what he did.

While I love Fugaku, I think his failure to check-in with Itachi, as well as put such a heavy burden on him was his downfall. And I think Fugaku realizes this. I also think it's important to contextualize the role of children in Naruto, especially ninja. From the moment Madara and Hashirama were introduced, the founders were in their teens, they were expected to make incredibly adult like decisions.

This legacy trickles down to the current ninja.

Neji, as a child, is expected to put his life on the line for Hinata.

An entire village of 12 and 13 year olds are expected, and forced to go into the Forest of Death, and are even sent on very dangerous missions.

Ninja children are seen less as children and more as assets for Konoha. Itachi had this burden thrusts on him because it's the norm and is expected of him. That is truly the real answer. While they are children, canon has shown us that Leaf Village children are expected to take on adult tasks. So it's not out of the ordinary, but it's still incredibly wrong. And it speaks to the system that Madara and Hashirama were attempting to change, but ultimately failed doing.

If the Uchiha clan really wanted to become Hokage, then why didn’t more of them put in the effort to rise like Itachi did?

If the clan had multiple shinobi on his level as talented, disciplined, and respected, the village wouldn’t have been able to sideline them so easily.

Power isn’t just something you demand. It’s something you earn.

An entire clan, and the only one considered a ‘genius’ was a child barely 7 to 10 years old. What were the rest of them doing?

They turned that child into a political tool to fulfill their own extremist ambitions.

Instead of putting in the effort to earn power through strength and integrity, they pushed all their frustrations and expectations onto one kid. And when he didn’t serve their agenda, they labeled him a traitor.

If they’re so determined to stage a coup, then earn the strength and carry the burden themselves. Don’t shove it onto a child and pretend their hands are clean.

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Tobirama's feelings towards the Uchiha makes sense given his position as the second Senju brother (and the same can be applied to Izuna and his staunch distrust of the Senju even at the expense of his own life). Hashirama and Madara being the idealistic older brothers makes sense considering they were the heirs and may've been spared the worse of the war. The younger brothers were the "spares". They knew they were cannon fodder, and knew if it came to a choice between them surviving and their brothers surviving, the clan would expect the eldest to live.

It's a watered down version of the Hyuga branch family and main family.

The fact that the younger brothers died off one by one tells me that they may've been in the trenches--literally and figuratively--in the way their eldest brothers weren't. Their creation was for the sake of breeding more soldiers. Hashirama and Madara were created to become strong and lead the clan.

Because of this, Tobirama's main objective was most likely to protect the heir, and find ways to neutralize their biggest enemy at the time. That enemy being the Uchiha.

Not only that, but his exposure to the battlefield may have been different from his brothers, in that he was exposed to much worse at a younger age than Hashirama.

The same with Izuna.

All these two were created to do was protect their brothers and serve as a spare if needed. Neither may've thought he would have lived through the war, and thus developed no meaningful personality past neutralizing the enemy.

Hence, Tobirama's hate towards the Uchiha even after the war. And Izuna's refusal to get healed by a Senju even if it meant him dying.

And no, this doesn't excuse what Tobirama does. At the end of the day he was unwilling to see through his own prejudice, and in doing so subjugated an entire group of people to systemic oppression that would go on to cause more problems for the village than ever--

There's a tragedy in the fact that he was doomed to think this way since being a child, but there's also a tragedy that he doomed any potential of lasting peace due to his own prejudices.

And honestly I don't doubt Izuna may've been the same.

It's just a look at the context and position he was in that may've caused this.

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i want to say that Hashirama is autistic (i know the hc usually goes to Tobirama) because of how badly he fumbled his friendship with Madara and was oblivious to the discrimination that Madara was going through.

Either that are his relationship with Madara was purely transactional.

And me saying he's autistic isn't an attempt to excuse him, or an attempt to say autistic people make bad friend (especially as an autistic person myself).

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summary: Hashirama coaxes a young Uchiha through the first awakening of her sharingan.

It begins with a small Uchiha girl bursting into his office one Summer evening. Like her namesake, she is a ball of navy blue clothing, a high collar, and unruly black hair that covers her eyes. She can't be much older than four, with chubby baby fat on her cheeks and hands like a wispy willow.

Even without the paper fan embroidered on her clothing, her appearance would have given her away.

From where he sits at his desk, Hashirama's tightly wound shoulders loosen and the grip on his kunai softens. While peace is his ultimate goal, old habits die hard. And left alone to his own devices, running Uchiha children frighten him more than he likes to admit.

Though the fear is quelled with a deep grounding breath, and the adorable blubbery toddler face.

"Madara-Sama, Madara-Sama!" She squeals in a voice not unlike hot embers popping from a fire.

She looks distraught, and her chakra feels off.

"Hello little one, your leader is not here. He left for a mission a week ago, and will be back by the end of the month. But maybe I can help." He makes his way around his desk, letting kneeling as the child hesitates, but approaches him nonetheless.

Clearly she was looking for Madara, and like most villagers know, the advisor to the Hokage typically stays by his side. But issues on the border of the Fire Country demanded his attention, and without much choice, Hashirama was forced to run the village alone (and with a younger brother who thought he knew everything).

In the two seconds that she hesitates, its clear deciding whether or not to settle or wait. But apparently her situation is so dire that a Senju will have to do. "Sakana is dead!" Given the gravitas in her voice and her agonizing announcement, Hashirama half expects Sakana to be a close relative. When the girl lifts her arm to show an upside down gold fish in a bag, he bites the inside of his cheek to keep from chuckling.

There's room for both humor and empathy in his heart, but the severity of her emotions gave no indication that the deceased is--was a fish.

For the life of him, he cannot figure what she thought Madara would do about that.

"He was my best friend!" Her shrill terminates into a long, agonizing wail as she holds up the bag.

"I understand, I'm sorry your friend is dead. Perhaps we could go and burry hi--"

Tiny fists rub at her eyes furiously, the action forcing her messy mop of hair out of of her face.

And then it clicks. Why she was looking for Madara in the first place.

Her eyes, which he assumed were dark and beady moments before the fish died, have taken on a blood red shade, with an intricate kaleidoscope pattern forming around the pupils.

On instinct he looks away from her, recognizing the Mangekyo immediately.

He wonders just how traumatic the death of a fish is for a little girl, but figures if it was enough to waken the advanced stage of her kekkei genkai, it was devastating.

While he stares at the ceiling, the girl makes her way into his chest, burrowing her tiny head into the fabric of his clothing. Her tiny fist ball into his clothes as she sobs like her world has ended.

"I kept on feeding him because his mouth kept on opening. I thought he was hungry but he died." She hiccups against his broad frame, "and now he's gone and my...and I got the sharingan and I don't know how to turn it off!" He can feel the bag thumping against his body, and considers healing the fish.

But failure to bring it back to life would probably make her activate her Susanoo. And given her concern, it seems she wants as little to do with her sharingan as possible. And he can't blame her--the enormous output of chakra isn't healthy for a head as small as hers.

"Little one, i'm so sorry about your fish. I understand you really must have loved him."

The girl responds with a nod, whimpering as she grabs onto his clothes tighter.

"But you have to calm down or your eyes won't turn off," he mutters into her thick hair, caressing his fingers gently through it, "and then you'll get a headache. Is that why you wanted to find Madara, to help you turn it off?"

A watery, "Yes," is what he gets.

Hashirama adjust himself on the floor, white and beige robes spilling on the wood as he positions himself so the child can sit on his lap.

Her eyes still spin furiously with the pattern of the Mangekyo, and large red eyes meet his warm brown ones. This is perhaps the first time he's let himself stare into an Uchiha's eyes unguarded--Madara aside.

There's something so innocent and scared in those eyes. Something about the way she's shared her greatest trauma--no matter how small--with Hashirama is very reminiscent of his time with Madara at the river.

"If you want to turn it off, you need to calm down," he instructs gently, remembering his late night conversations with his friend about his clans techniques, "can you do that for me? Take some deep breaths?" Bottom lip quivering, she nods.

"Good, and after you do that, we can go burry your friend, okay? We'll find a plot of dirt and I'll use my special jutsu to grow pretty flowers over it okay? And a small bonsai tree too."

"Will the," she hiccups, "Will the Hokage be mad that you're stealing his techniques?"

He chuckles, basking in the innocent of children. He never did announce himself as the Hokage to her, did he?

"I'm sure he won't mind. I hear he's nice." "Even if he's a Senju?" She asks, skeptically, "Tobirama-sama doesn't like us and says mean things about our clan." It's one thing to be subjected to Tobirama's prejudices at the dinner table every other evening. It's another thing to see how it frightens a tiny child incapable of hurting a fly.

He swallows hard. Maybe he is being to lenient on his brother. Maybe he should listen to Madara.

"Especially since he's a Senju. And Tobirama is only one Senju, not all of them. But the Hokage's a nice one, and really strong, and he said I can use his jutsu. Alright?" She nods, her eyes adjusting to their original coal-like darkness.

(wip)

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Also--the irony of Hashirama saying no children would have to kill each other (in reference to he and Madara's remaining brothers), only for Tobirama to be the one to kill Izuna.

The way Tobirama haunt the narrative from the beginning is just insane.

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I don't know I get the sense that if the Uchiha clan were living while Tsunade were in the village, she would have been the kind of Hokage to undo the structural oppression her family caused them.

Her eventual willingness to heal Sasuke really stuck out to me.

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Hashirama's father punches his son, calls him a brat while about to beat the life out of him for calling him a bad dad for using his kids as murder weapons

Meanwhile, Madara's father asks for his opinion on a possible 3v3, but when Madara says otherwise, he's like "Wow, not bad, alright let's go home".

Tobirama invents a jutsu that requires human sacrifices, a fascist regime that others copied, and creates an event wherein kids butcher each other for a step up in rank in front of a bunch of rich assholes, on top of saying blatantly racist shit, specifically to the child of said race whom he helped genocide. While Hashirama enabled and endorsed all of this, doing NOTHING about it, enforced it, and turned one of his wives into a fucking nuke for said regime.

The Uchiha clan meanwhile, cares deeply for and looks out for their own since the beginning. Madara lost all of his brothers, most of whom before they were 12, and the last one he loved dearly, but he still tried making peace with those who killed them, but when he learned that they were up to no good he still tried to look out for his people. Fugaku spent decades fighting for his families and clans survival, despite all of the pressure he faced, even entrusting his and his clans legacy to his youngest son. Sasuke was an obedient, duty-bound, clan-orientated child, who kept to himself, studied hard, did what he was supposed to do, never caused trouble, wanted or demanded special attention, he, during his time in Cell 7, looked out for his teammates as best he could even risking his hide for them (even though they both absolutely didn't deserve it), he went out of his way to avoid collateral damage in his endeavors, even freeing Orochimaru's prisoners without any ulterior motives, he was among the few people who saw the flaws in the fascist shinobi system and sought to do away with it.

But somehow, the Uchiha clan is "evil" while the Senju are the quote on quote "good guys". Bitch please

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I've always headcanoned that before the war broke out, they were farmers and eventually mercenaries. The Sharingan was good for helping with farming as well.

The Senju have always been nobility

WHY THE UCHIHAS ARE BROKE😭

I've found this on Pinterest and it reinforces the economic gap between Senju and Uchiha. There is no difference between battle outfit and formal reception for the Uchihas. Hashirama in contrary shows us multiple style of clothing and expensive armours.

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outfits 4 fun

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I watch initial D and I had more art for this crossover but this was the only one that I finished. Might get the others eventually....

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Oh so y’all want y’all’s dicks sucked is what I’m hearing?? Oh so you’re down for a foursome is what I’m hearing as well? Awesome 😼