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Ok, so not even getting into everything insane about the whole 'forcemasc is a mockery of forcefem 'thing, I just want to address something, using this post, which i think is an interesting example.

So, clearly, this creator is speaking largely about the trans community when referring to the 'queer community', (mentioning t4t, forcemasc/forcefem, and gender affirmation).

Now, this idea that everything in the trans community came from transfems and trans women is pretty popular, and based in the fact that the majority of openly trans people, trans communities, trans people in activism, for much of recorded history were/made up of transfems.

What i struggle with, is the fact that someone can argue 'most openly trans people were transfeminine people', and also not acknowledge that this was... not transmascs choice?

I mean typically speaking, you can't argue 'majority of [community] was defined by, spearheaded by and revolved around [half of community]' and that theres a problem with the less represented, more history wiped, less common [half of the community] building stuff for themselves.

Its... not transmascs fault that they haven't been able to popularise any terms, make their own communities, be present in campaigning, explore their kinks, and set their boundaries until pretty recently*.

You do know thats not their fault right?

I mean transmascs have only recently been able to be openly out at the same 1:1 ratio as transfems*, is it really a surprise that their language developed later, and may be seen to be 'copied' off transfems?

We should be studying the reasons why transmasculine people appear to be one of the most stunted groups in the queer community at having their own spaces, terms, even medical care and representation in the public.

Not blaming them for it.

**Worth noting that this is Western focused. In the rest of the world transmascs still have not reached even close to a 1:1 ratio and still the majority of trans communities outside of the west do not include transmascs/are extremely heavily transfem

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Hey so I've heard you're the one who's coined transandrophobia and I wanted to properly get it from the main source- what is an exact and specific definition of the theory and all it entails? I recently wrote a piece on it because of a specific source and the ways I feel it failed to understand the root of oppression- however it was not by you and therefore is more likely to have been a bastardization or a flawed version of it. I want to know what the original theory is so I can better understand things and know if the issue I find is more so due to things people have thrown on top of it overtime.

Feel free to ignore this if you want, absolutely no pressure.

Hello, I am writing a book on the topic, until then, This Post is a rough run down on defining transandrophobia and some examples, I suggest you start there.

Further reading would be This Post (discussing the importance of not harrasing transandrophobic people online, since it does help combat transandrophobia), This Post (Discussing one of the many ways trans men's struggles are dismissed as lesser despite the grave violence we face), This Post (Explaining why waiting for the perfect term to define transmasculine oppression is futile), and This Post (Discussing one of the ways that transandrophobia kills trans men).

I can not, in a single post, provide an "exact and specific definition of the theory and all it entails" for transandrophobia any more than I could provide the "exact and specific definition of the theory and all it entails" for idk Marxism. It is a large and complex topic and tumblr has never been the ideal space to discuss theory due to the social desire for harassment that haunts this site.

But the short of it is "Transandrophobia is a term to describe how the fear of men (androphobia) and gender essentialist politics in certain spaces, queer and non-queer, trans and cis, effects transgender men's lives." The reason this term exists, is to provide trans men with language to discuss this specific and often shared experience of violence and rejection, in the hopes that it will encourage discussion among queer and trans circles along with prompting organization and mutual aid for trans men.

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transandrophobia experience + a generally interesting observation. was in a friendgroup of almost entirely cis people. there were two trans people, a transmasc (me) and a transfem. when they started parroting talking points about transmen having Male Privilege and masculinity being evil and yadda yadda you know the drill, theyd always defend it by saying "well the transfem in our friendgroup agrees with us, so its progressive and youre talking over her if you disagree." the whole experience was fascinating because these cis people already had shitty opinions about transmen. they already wanted me to shut up, so they told me i was damaging my own community. they just wanted an excuse to sound progressive while saying it. it should also be noted that the main reason we were all friends was because we were the only queer people in a ruralish community. with the worry of being outed without any support, how the hell were me or the transfem supposed to disagree? while being queer was absolutely not a positive for the cis people, they were more capable of hiding it which led to them having other friends. dropping 1 or 2 people from the group wasnt a big deal to them. me and that other transperson were visibly trans, this was the only friendgroup in that area that we were semi safe in. im not happy she said transandrophobic shit to me, but she was also a victim in having to go along with it for safety. what she said and did gave her no privilege or advantages over me, it just temporarily put her in the good graces of the cis people championing this stuff in our conversations.

writing this cause i feel its important to note that transandrophobia is a largely cis thing. its absolutely important to address intracommunity shit, but we need to be clear of where the source of a lot of this BS comes from. people might want to go along with it because it feels like itll protect them, but transphobia will not stop because youre One Of The Good Ones.

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just need to share how much I dislike this post lol

people will fully expect trans men to put ourselves on the line for everyone else and meanwhile the only time they acknowledge our existence is to talk about how "low risk" we are (obviously untrue) or to volunteer us out as a community for potentially dangerous activist endeavors that they wouldn't risk doing themselves

"we need to get uncomfortable!" and what's actually being discussed is convincing a subset of the community to be uncomfortable on your behalf while you do nothing to show solidarity with us

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wow okay two things

1. not all trans men want to medically transition. some trans men are nonbinary/gender nonconforming/simply dont want to medically transition and just want to or have socially transitioned and they will still experience sexism because they are still perceived by society as women.

2. just because a trans man does transition, a lot of the time he will be perceived as "doing masculinity wrong" by society or he may even be outed or still live in a town where everyone knows what he used to look like before medically transitioning and will therefore still be subjected to sexism because people see him as a failed man/woman.

we do not get the full male experience as soon as we start calling ourselves men. try actually listening to trans men when we discuss our oppression instead of assuming you know our fucking life experiences.

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I mean this is a pretty hot take but I think until y'all can sit down and actually provide examples of what you mean by "privilege" instead of using the word as a means of referring to the nebulous idea that some people have it better and its Their Fault, there will continue to be absolutely braindead takes about who holds what privilege and how it conflicts with actual first-hand experience.

That's why, when I ask what male privilege I was apparently either born with or received immediately upon coming out, I get crickets.

When we talk about male privilege, we talk about getting paid more. We talk about getting hired more, and into higher-paying jobs more. We talk about being able to vote and drive and have credit cards and bank accounts. We talk about reproductive freedom and body autonomy. We talk about rape statistics, domestic violence, and other forms of violent crime. We talk about immigration and citizenship status and human trafficking. We talk about power dynamics in relationships. We talk about society's expectations for gender roles.

There's two big problems with this:

Unless a trans man is completely binary, fully stealth, and has burned every trace of his past, almost none of this is accessible to him. Trans men don't get paid more unless their gender marker is M, there's no mention of ever being anything but cisgender, and they're completely stealth. They don't get hired more, unless these things are true. Many lived lives being discouraged from chasing higher paying jobs such as STEM fields due to being seen as girls, so they're not going into these jobs more either. Similarly with voting- when I registered to vote I was non-passing, with my legal name and gender marker. To the voting office, I was a woman. To my credit card company, who has never seen my face, I'm *still* a woman, despite passing most of the time. To my bank account, which I've had since I was 8, I've never not been a woman. When I took my driver's test, I was treated as a woman.

When I asked for a hysterectomy at 20, I was told not until I was over 30, had a minimum of two children, or had a husband to sign off on it. Just like a woman. When I whacked my head as a kid and was rushed to the doctor, the doctor specifically said if I was a boy he wouldn't have bothered stitching but a girl can't have scars on her face *while he was stitching my forehead back together*. I had to fight to be allowed to cut my long hair. I had to fight to be allowed to take care of it by myself.

I have needed to leave relationships when I realized I was with a man that would hurt me for his gain. I've been assaulted by my peers for being a black woman or a black girl in a space that I was not wanted.

I was raised with the expectation that I would be a mother to a large family with a husband that kept me pregnant and likely staying at home like a typical tradwife. I was punished, physically, mentally, emotionally, socially for rejecting that life. I lost literally all my social group from before I came out. I lost a good chunk of family members too, and the ones I have left are... trying, but not perfect.

And:

Other marginalized men are also often denied access to these things either. White men might be paid more, but white women make more than men of any other race. White men might be hired more, but "Rachel" is more likely to get a call back than "Rafael". White men are more likely to be in a STEM position, but tell me when the last time you saw a Native doctor. It may have been *legal* for racially marginalized men to vote, but those who did not speak English had no ability to do so until 45 years *after* white women had the right to vote (and technically it took another 10 years for translations to actually be provided). Banks and credit companies and driver's tests and mortgage brokers and more are *known* to discriminate, between barely-legal remnants of redlining to outright illegal discrimination because they know they can get away with it.

Black and Native children are taken from their birth families and placed into foster care and adoptive homes daily due to state-sponsered genocide. It's more than just the mother that's affected by this. Black men are largely targeted by stop-and-frisk policing policies that exist to do nothing except harass and assault them for just existing in a place, and are an extreme body violation.

New studies show that men experience rape and domestic violence at roughly the equivilant rate as women, but reporting is obscenely low due to social pressures and rigid gendering of victim vs abuser policies. The demographic with the highest rate of murder victims is black men.

Single, childless adult men are not allowed to immigrate to multiple countries, including the US, on refugee status. Men of marginalized races- largely latine and asian- are trafficked by largescale construction companies and then deported or abandoned when no longer needed.

Disabled men are killed or abandoned regularly by their able-bodied partners who got tired of dealing with them.

I know more than one man who feels trapped into a place where he cannot, ever, show any emotion besides horny, hungry, or angry as a direct result of strict gender roles being pushed on him. I know more than one man who has tried to take his own life because of it.

I know more than one man who has succeeded.

And I gotta be honest the further I get in transition and the more I pass the more I think that being a man... also kinda sucks. Like it sucked when I was a woman. Doesn't really feel like it sucks less as a man. Seems to me like society treats both of these pretty poorly and I was told the grass was way greener on this side and it's, uh, not. Not really. Not when you start making cis male friends and start realizing that a lot of these guys had a lot of the same experiences you grew up being told was part of a woman's life.

And I'm not saying that these guys don't have interactions where life is better for them because they're men. Of course they do. That's patriarchy for you. But I do think it's difficult to have a "male privilege" argument when people try to argue on a 1-to-1 basis and it just straight up doesn't work like that.

And I know a lot of what I'm saying ties back to the theory of intersectionality, that this can't flatten nuance like this is directly tied to the fact that a white woman, a native woman, an asian woman, a black man, a latino man, and an arabic man, are all going to have WILDLY different experiences that you can't just "well you're [gender] so you don't experience [harm]" about because it's blatantly untrue. Especially if you continue to add marginalizations, like immigration status, religion, sexuality, transition, language, and more.

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I'm getting such mixed posts about transandrophobia and transmisogyny on my dash right now, and although its obvious that people on both sides can be quite extreme about it I would still like to make a post asking all people of what you think about it.

I know there are trans women who feel targeted by trans men in often dangerous ways - I am partly in that group,

however I also know there are trans men who feel they are being attacked by trans women.

if you have any thoughts please do discuss - I'm very eager to support my sisters, but I don't want to say anything that is actually wrong or that I'm not completely informed about.

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IDC what anyone else says, becoming more of a transfeminist has only made me MORE convinced that transmasc people have it hard too. it is one of the axioms of feminism that women are allowed to aspire to the aesthetics of masculinity as long as they never actually achieve it, and for men to aspire to femininity is sacrilege. and you see that in the way media portrays transmasc and transfem characters. Transmasc characters are always trying to be masculine as a front. they talk with deep voices, hang out with "the guys". but they are never allowed to actually achieve it. they can never be muscular. they can never be assertive. they can never have facial hair. They must always be short and soft. Conversely, trans women must NEVER have any hint that they are AMAB. they also cannot have facial hair, or body hair. Their voices must always be high and lilting, but in that way that's immediately clockable so no one could mistake them for a ""real"" woman. they cannot be strong or aggressive or anything even vaguely associated with men. Or, alternatively, if they're transfem nonbinary, they're just gay men with colorful hair, since everybody knows gay men are basically just women already. And of course, masc lesbians aren't real, don't worry straight men. a butch is just what you call a conventionally attractive woman wearing a sports jersey. At the end of the day, queer people of all types are accepted only as long as we can be relegated to the category of "Feminine but weird". That way, none of us can ever be any threat to the sanctity of the Holy Masculine. None of us are men or have anything to do with men. And while we squabble over who has it the worst, the patriarchy lives on.

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omfg tboys have such a victim complex. that law is after TRANS WOMEN, not YOU. no trans men are going to go to jail. in fact, trans men are probably going to use this to send trans women to jail or keep them as their rape slaves because they'll just go to the police and tell them that they were forced to have sex with a scary tranny if she doesn't give them what they want. fuck off forever

The current deception as to sex guidance is based partially on the precedent set by the R v McNally case, involving two teenagers. The teenager who had sexual assault charges brought against them was McNally, who went by "Scott" and was assigned female at birth and claimed to be a cis man. The case talks about how McNally wanted a sex change - though the judgement frames McNally as being a cis girl lying about being a cis man, it seems clear that McNally was transmasculine. McNally was found guilty and sentenced to 3 years in a young offenders' institution.

Trans women are particularly at risk from this new guidance, and when I wrote about trans and intersex sex workers being at high risk from this I highlighted ways that trans women specifically will be harmed.

It is bizarre to me that you'd say no trans men would go to prison under this guidance when one being imprisoned is precisely the reason this guidance exists. The people I am most concerned for right now are trans and intersex women who sell sex without disclosing their trans or intersex status and I make no secret of that.

I am also someone who has sold certain kinds of sex with clients believing I'm a twinky cis guy rather than a trans guy, and who has pretended to be a cis woman when I was early on T and kept my transness from clients. This guidance puts me at risk too and I'm going to continue to speak about how trans and intersex people of all genders are targeted by it, no matter how many hate anons I'm sent that call me a tboy with a victim complex.

All my love to the trans and intersex women who are at higher risk than I am, particularly those who are sex workers.

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hey anon saying "my abuser was a trans man so trans men hate trans women" I just want you to know I'm a transmasc person who was literally abused horrifically on the basis of sharing a similar pronoun and gender identity to my then-girlfriend's ex. she used the abuse of an entirely unrelated person as an excuse to insinuate I never respected her and would regularly scream at me and even invalidated my trauma over a relative dying using her own trauma.

she also, unsurprisingly, was a rampant transandrophobe, calling me horrible and transmisogynistic because I challenged her as a trans woman over saying blatantly transphobic things about trans men and transmascs (myself included).

because it was never about truth, it was about being on top and being the most inconvenienced and being in control of the conversation of suffering (this went beyond us fighting over my gender).

think why you feel that way, that you need sole dictation over the conversation and can't let anyone else breathe their words about experiences that may challenge how you feel, anon

if I were to do what she did, and say I was uncomfortable with trans women because they can be abusive, I would rightfully be ripped limb from limb for the transmisogynistic notion that trans women are remotely a monolith or are abusive based solely on my experience

but I guess trans men aren't owed that same equivalence. they are forced to live a double standard there. because you don't respect us enough for it. why is that.

"because it was never about truth, it was about being on top and being the most inconvenienced and being in control of the conversation of suffering,"

"if I were to do what she did, and say I was uncomfortable with trans women because they can be abusive, I would rightfully be ripped limb from limb for the transmisogynistic notion that trans women are remotely a monolith or are abusive based solely on my experience"

i had to highlight these bits in particulare because good god you worded this so perfectly. i am so sorry you have had this experience but you knocked the ball so far out of the park that i am genuinely in awe of how well you conveyed this, and how absolutely fucked peoples' double standards are when it comes to abuse and how people think that trans men and mascs have it "so much easier in life". you're dead on the money. NONE of this has to do with talking about oppression and looking out for one another.

this behavior is about control.

it's about controlling the narrative. some people literally get so insecure when the conversation turns away from them for even a moment, they think it means that everyone is their enemy. yes, trans women have an absolutely awful time in cisheternormative society. so do trans men.

i have been emotionally and sexually abused and harassed by 3 separate trans women. one of which struck me with an object, another who stole something out of my purse while i was asleep and continuously kept trying to get in my pants after she found out i had a vagina despite me repeatedly turning her down, and another who mocked me for my psychotic episodes and repeatedly swore up and down that i didn't have DID and just in general gaslit and emotionally abused the fuck out of me. the woman who hit me also constantly kept insinuating that penises are what make a man a man, and would not stop making me feel bad for not having a biopenis.

once everyone found out i had a vag, suddenly, i was a cishet woman in their house and i was public enemy #1. i had to deal with my cis gay male roommate shrieking about how he's gay, boobs and vaginas are disgusting, he's a MAN attracted to MEN. meanwhile, my ex girlfriend (the one who hit me) made me feel like shit for being a man without a penis almost every single day. she would guilt trip me about how she missed being with partners with biopenises and would spend all day telling me that she loved me, but then would turn around and scream and yell at me and tell me that i'm an evil asshole.

the transandrophobia i have had to deal with at the hands of other trans women has been absolutely fucking staggering. we need to stop fostering a culture where this is okay because it's genuinely getting people hurt. like you said, if a transmasc were to say "i hate trans women, they're all mean and shitty and abusive," they would literally be torn limb from fucking limb. and rightfully so, because it's a dogshit thing to say. but we HAVE to start telling people who do this to trans men to fuck OFF and stop it.

i am very sorry you went through that. i hope things improve for you, and that you're able to spend time in company that treats you with respect. nobody should have to deal with literal profiling just because of their gender.

is that what we're doing now? profiling people based off of their gender? how is that progressive? how is that liberating? how is that trans rights? it ain't.

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Honestly I've gotten a lot of shit in my life for being a feminine trans man, but not a single bit of it has been from other trans men. I consistently get people talking about 'ALL this toxic masculinity' in the transmasc community and i agree, but i think its greatly misunderstood.

i do not think there is a trend of trans men being misogynistic assholes to people around them (not that there aren't indivuals) but there is definitely a huge trend of trans men being MASSIVE ASSHOLES to themselves.

I've never had a trans man tell me I can't wear pink or like bows or skirts, never had an issue with them treating me as less than or degrading femininity. What I have had the experience of though, is trans men constantly being afraid of expressing any sense of emotion, or worrying about their hair being slightly below the ears, and lamenting having to give up painting their nails.

Mind you these are the same men who have whole heartedly encouraged my gender-expressions, helped me try on skirts, even painted my nails for me.

And yet they can't even fathom the concept of letting themselves do the same without thinking it makes them 'less of a man'.

I've heard a lot of claims online of trans men being spoilt/entitled/not suffering enough and gods knows what else, over the past couple of weeks. so i just wanted to say:

TRANS MEN NEED TO BE NICER TO THEMSELVES.

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the transmasc discourse confuses me a lot... i feel like theoretically a trans man COULD experience male privilege but only if he were to pass well and/or be stealth. so i see it as conditional. but, that also confuses me because by that logic, couldn't any stealth trans person experience cis privilege by passing and hiding their identity? is it privilege if you have to lie for your own safety? would a gay person who never speaks of their identity be able to have straight privilege? i ask these questions genuinely but i feel stupid for not knowing the answers. maybe tumblr is just a bad place to have these discussions in the first place

I think the foundational assumptions we need to reevaluate in this argument are

that the privilege that really matters is not being seen as a man in passing by strangers, but the ability to unconditionally move through the world as a cis person. Like, being a passing trans man doesn't mean much when you are incarcerated or need to seek healthcare or employers do background checks. Maybe a stealth trans man is treated better by his misogynistic boss, but to even be in those career scenarios is way harder to achieve for trans people in general!!!

that experiencing privilege is a bad thing that taints you as a person, which is especially treated as the case primarily for trans people! Fear that trans women "don't know what its like to be a woman" (according to cis womens standards), that certain nonbinary people are too male, that trans men are misogynists. its actually a pretty rancid double standard that isn't applied to perisex cis people, the actual benefactors of that privilege, lol. The stealth trans man in the work place or the trans woman that did not know she was trans for 50 years of her career, are not evil for possibly being given preferential treatment for presenting male. I think thats an extremely bad and individualistic view of privilege and what it actually means, and it's pointless. It just doesn't matter and I see it as an excuse to paint trans people as aggressors. its bad when radfems and transphobes do it and its bad when trans people do it to each other too.

we are talking about male privilege because it's the vocabulary of cis feminism, which is so devoid of the context of trans people lives. What's really relevant when talking about trans people is cis privilege. Because otherwise we fall into the transphobic narrative that trans people get to experience the "best of both worlds" and cis women are the only "true, pure" victims. when obviously the reality is that fundamentally being trans is harder than being a cis woman or man.

anyways. I'm glad you sent this ask because i think about this a lot also.

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"Women do traditionally feminine stuff because they are afraid of the men in their lives." Hilarious, because for me growing up all of the worst misogyny I faced was at the hands of other women, usually family and friends, and whenever I caved into the pressure to do feminine things I didn't want to it was specifically because I was seeking the approval of other women. None of the men in my life have ever forced femininity on me the way the cis women have. The people who made fun of me for dressing "badly" and not shaving and spread rumors I was secretly a boy were all girls. I kept trying to get into makeup, not because I wanted boys to think I was cute(all the guys who've shown interest in me have actually liked me just fine the way I am), but because I wanted the women around me to see me as one of them and I never felt like I was.

Even when women aren't pressuring me to do girly things I still feel the pressure because I'm the only woman I know who doesn't and it makes me feel like a freak. I don't care what the men around me think, a guy getting weird about my not shaving or wearing makeup would be instantly disqualified from my dating pool without a second thought, being raised a feminist very quickly inoculated me against giving a shit what men think, but the women? My whole life I have been trying so hard to be one of them and it's still hard work to ignore the annoying internalized patriarchal cisheteronormative bullshit in my head making me think I need to be more like them and less like me. And I genuinely don't know if there will ever come a day when I can hang out in a group of women and not feel like an imposter just waiting to be discovered and killed.

And I know that my experiences aren't universal any more than the person who originally said that's are, but like. It's just wild to me that trans people especially will chalk all of the pressure to conform to gender roles up to shitty men and completely ignore how heavily the patriarchy incentivizes women to not only violently police each other's femininity but also destroy ourselves seeking the approval of the very women who are violently policing our femininity.

EXACTLY.

I love cis women who our allies with all my heart and soul, but we need to stop being desperate for their approval. The cis women who DO care about us would be the first to admit they as a category need to do a lot better, so why do we pussyfoot around them being just as horrible to us as cis men can be?

With trans women it feels like we're just trying to link arms under the exact same oppressive patriarchy because it feels like that's what being a woman is, haha yeah, men hate us, I mean they hate us in different ways and you hate us too but what matters above all else is that we're the exact same thing right? Oh, sorry, like seventy percent of you don't believe that and are violently disgusted by the thought of coming anywhere near me? But I also fear men!

And trans men...

"Women are soooo scared of me, yeah you better cover your drink around trans men too, I mean not that I would do anything personally, but I could, because I'm a man, and that means I could oppress and hurt you, theoretically!"

Listen, bro, most cis women aren't scared of you, they're laughing at you, and frankly so am I, not because it's impossible for a trans man to be a person who's intimidating, but because you're so needy for validation that you've developed a patriarchy fetish you can't turn off.

None of this is to say we should ignore the crimes of cis men or that cis women aren't also another marginalized class, and again, I love cis women who're trans allies, they're amazing, wonderful people and I would never want to leave them behind or seem ungrateful.

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transandrophobia isnt real the way transmisogyny is real because thats not how intersectionality works. transmisogyny is specifically the intersection of oppression transfemmes face of transphobia and misogyny. for transandrophobia to be real, androphobia itself would have to be real. men are not an oppressed class. there is no systemic disenfranchisement men face for being men when living in a patriarchal society. transmascs absolutely face transphobia, and there are certain aspects of transphobia that may be different between transmascs and transfemmes, but that is not transandrophobia.

This is a fantastic explanation for why the term faces skepticism and I appreciate it because it's finally made the argument against it click for me

The remaining issue is, I don't have a different word to use when I specifically reference "transphobia that is distinctly directed towards trans men in ways that combine transphobia bioessentialism and mysoginy, that is similar to but also slightly different from that which is directed towards trans women" that still acknowleges that trans men are not women

IE, "You're not a man, you just hate facing oppression as a woman", "You're not trans, you just have internalized mysoginy", "You don't have to be a man to accomplish your goals, You're just pretending to be one so you don't have to face female gender discrimination", "Transitioning to male means you're eager to oppress women", "Now that you're a man you don't have to deal with mysoginy or gender-based violence", etc

I think the men's rights movement is bullshit, don't get me wrong, but walking around being an openly trans man, emphasis on trans man and not just man, seems to read to a lot of people as "female gender-traitor pervert", and I don't have the VOCABULARY for that experience

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You there! Person that says transandrophobia is a bad word because androphobia doesn't exist but think the word transmisogyny is good!

Explain how accusing all trans women of being rapists is an intersection of transphobia and misogyny and not just regular transphobia outside of "Well, it's misogyny because it's happening to a woman"!

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Got this when i asked what transemasculation was.

Why the fuck are they making terms for oppression against trans masculine people in spaces that we arent in? We should get to decide on our own vocabulary. That just feels straight up rude.

The discrimination we face is actually kind of rooted in us being men. And i really wish people would stop trying to tell transmen/transmasculine people about the roots of our own oppression. We know it better than you do. And there is so much more to the oppression that we face and theres more causes than just "doing man wrong".

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can you imagine if someone said something like "i believe white women experience a specific, targeted form of misogyny that intersects with anti-white sentiment"?

even if "anti-masculine sentiment" was a thing that mattered, it wouldn't be a specific kind of bigotry, and its intersection with transphobia doesn't demand new language in the same way transmisogyny does. it's just a tactic to redirect attention away from trans women getting removed from every online and offline support network. it's "all lives matter"ing transphobia

HELLO???? HELLO?????? IS ANYONE HEARING THIS????? IS THIS THING ON???????

THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF TRANSMASCULINE SUFFERING IS NOT THE SAME AS WHITE SUPREMACY

jesus fucking christ i can't believe that needs to be said.

do us all a favor and try LISTENING to the transmascs talking about this instead of playing the fucking oppression olympics. you're not helping anyone. you're not being an ally. all you're doing is proving to every transmasc around you that you're not a safe person.

you should be embarrassed to have sent me this. and on anon as well, bc you're too much of a coward to even take responsibility for your own actions.