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That's unfortunate 😔

I think, according to the rules, the sexualised transphobia ones have to be tagged as such specifically, and it's reportable if it's not tagged that way. And the reg transphobia tag is more so for it as a plot element. It's all in the nsfwe tagging guide. So if u see sexualised transphobia that isn't tagged, u could report it? Transphobia, non-sexual/as a plot element, is also supposed to be its own red tag aside from just the base "bigotry" tag, so u could filter based on that also. Same w homophobia/sexualised homophobia, racism/race play.

+1 I hope they clarify the types of it for cardinal as well tho. While the current tagging system does have, I guess, modifier red tags like I noted above, I don't know if everyone uses them; I don't use the blacklist much at all.

I forget but do you use the Bigotry tag for fantasy bigotries? I'm talking like, 'discrimination against vampires!' or 'elves are treated as subhuman!!!' type stuff. I feel the answer is 'no' but.

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Yeah, totally fair! Just wanted to tack a little on, since I've had a different experience. It's rather unfortunate that some fandom zines are that friend-based. I've seen that more myself on digital-only zines, but as I said in my tags -- I've also only ever been a participant/guest on those, never a mod.

Most of the head mods I've modded under have been mid-late 20s, and have generally subscribed to the logic of "sometimes, your friends aren't always the best pick", since at the end of the day, we have to break even. I think it's probably going to be less friend-biased if mods themselves are recruited based on their portfolios, vs. if it's run by a group of people that already know each other.

(in terms of audience, I've been in closed, no-applicant "circle" type artbook projects with far older participants, but aside from those, I honestly have no idea how old the participants were for zines I've helped run.)

Hey, do you and your dear followers have some extra tips for dealing with zine application rejections? (yes, I am the anon that recently asked where to find zines these days -thanks again for the folks who linked helpful twitter sites- and am now experiencing this "lovely" aspect for zine projects I kind of had forgotten about again...) I am already trying my best to keep myself busy with other stuff and not dwell on it for long, but maybe you have some other tips.:)

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Well, it's always nice to be accepted, but just keep in mind that these are other fannish randos who are probably picking their friends. They aren't authorities. What they think of your art doesn't matter, and the reason they rejected you may not even be that they don't like it.

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I think the likelihood of them just picking friends depends on the type of zine. For smaller, no physical merch or digital-only zines, I've seen more of them that tend to pick friends for applicants and guests.

But for the sleek physical art-book type zines, which may or may not include writing -- having modded on some before, over a couple of diff fandoms, a lot of them open applications for mods and the team might not even know each other before they start on the project. (Not to say the circles aren't somewhat insular, however; having prior projects done is generally good for mod apps.)

In such cases, applicants generally get picked based on an averaged vote, so being friends with a single mod doesn't do all that much. It might affect guest writers/artists occasionally, I suppose, in that your friend could bring you up as a potential guest, but those are still decided on by the team as a whole. Any serious incongruences re: applicant voting also generally gets discussed.

That being said? It's all rated subjectively and it's nothing personal. Zine rejection doesn't mean you're bad, it just means the zine mods didn't think you were the right fit.

I'll give a tangential example. For zines with writing, sometimes applicants have beautiful longfics. However, if it's to be printed, the word limit's going to be way tighter, and so it's just not suitable, especially when page count and leeway are budgeted for in advance. Not bad, just not the right fit.

An art example -- maybe someone has beautiful background art that would be perfect for page spreads, but they've applied for merch and the mods have budgeted for, say, chibi charms or stickers. (Or maybe they've got prints or something, but the mods have their keychain budget already put together.) No fault of the applicant's, but again, it isn't the right fit.

And if anon's bummed about others' projects...well, why not start your own? Modding can be its own type of fun, and running a project is pretty cool.

Hey, do you and your dear followers have some extra tips for dealing with zine application rejections? (yes, I am the anon that recently asked where to find zines these days -thanks again for the folks who linked helpful twitter sites- and am now experiencing this "lovely" aspect for zine projects I kind of had forgotten about again...) I am already trying my best to keep myself busy with other stuff and not dwell on it for long, but maybe you have some other tips.:)

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Well, it's always nice to be accepted, but just keep in mind that these are other fannish randos who are probably picking their friends. They aren't authorities. What they think of your art doesn't matter, and the reason they rejected you may not even be that they don't like it.

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I swear I asked before and the answer was yes, but I haven't been particularly active on cherp for years, so I don't know if it's still the case. I had it tagged on a lot of my prompts for troll blood caste bigotry. I do recall seeing a lot of troll prompts that didn't actually tag it but with prompt-creators that were amenable to including canonical levels of it.

It'd be nice to have it separated more specifically (off the top of my head, some rather different forms are sexualised bigotry, historical setting/general setting that includes bigotry, fantasy bigotry), but I suppose one has to wait for cardinal for a chance at that.

I forget but do you use the Bigotry tag for fantasy bigotries? I'm talking like, 'discrimination against vampires!' or 'elves are treated as subhuman!!!' type stuff. I feel the answer is 'no' but.

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Kneecaps shit is so puerile but at least it tells you to stay tf away.

once i saw a prompt on cherp that said "i DO NOT WANT (topic), if you dare come to me with that in the rp ill BASH YOUR KNEECAPS IN WITH MY BASEBALL BAT" and it's like. bro. shut up.

Thats so embarrassing lmao. At least these babies generally identify themselves by talking like a tumblr post from 8 years ago so its fairly easy to steer clear of them.

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Hi anon. Idk how else to say it so. I think u need 2 learn 2 read a little better. And idk. Figure out what rhetorical questions r, prob, if that's what ur gettin.

Objecting to someone being reductive abt my starter + expressing incredulity != Caring if they like it

bro that mcdonalds arson person sounds insufferable actually. why are you writing paragraphs in response to someone not liking your starter dog its not that serious.

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<3 thank u. shoutout to another epic rper on site

dave rpers are generally super fucking boring. imagine getting mad that one tries to do something interesting. jfc

mcdonalds dave is based af

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Tl;dr:

1. Words have meanings. Your subjective feelings are irrelevant to the actual issue of you using words wrong. The term "one-liner" has a terribly, terribly obvious meaning.

2. U prob couldn't handle my long form starters. I didn't wanna say this out loud but sry it's true like if u didn't get #1 from all my previous posts it's just. where is ur reading comp at? Did u drop it somewhere? Do u want us to go to McDonalds together n pick some up for u? Like idgaf if u hate me or if u hate my dumb little prompts bro that ain't the point I just want you to stop being objectively wrong 😭 💀💀💀 💀 💀 I'll say it straight cuz I'm tired af of tryin to word my incredulity in a relatively polite way

3. Still so funny 2 me that ur mad over seeing a prompt I ran for one (1) whole day

4. @ complaints abt writing paras. Sry mb for writing proper in a writing rp site tag. Pretend those paras r my exposition abt McDs ok? <3 u imagined a lotta words into my mouth so u can imagine this one too x

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Thx fam I'm tryna

I just want them to stop being objectively wrong!!! Omg it's not even hard like words have meanings

It's funny. First you call my prompt a dumb one-liner with nothing to it, then you say you've read my starter and it's underwhelming. It's a script-style starter, and I'm sorry to hear you aren't a fan, but it does the trick, avoiding both empty chats and getting the ball rolling.

More to the point—which is it? You're vacillating so much, and you've already contradicted yourself. Is it a one liner or not? Are you just chucking it in with them because you've decided that there's no fun allowed?

You really sound rather focused on a tag I ran for all of a day. I'm sorry that me having a laugh with my tags makes you upset, okay? I'm sure you must have had a very difficult time dealing with all of that.

Do I need to tag myself morally dubious! arsonist!psychostrider(optional)! for you to be happy, even though it's effectively the same shit in different words? Even though, really, someone with a perfectly competent grasp of the English language ought to be able to figure that out? Please let me know. Do you want me to write paragraphs at length about the fire and ash spiralling up around him, and the thick plastic smoke that he coughs on, etc.? I think I've already made it clear that I will; it just isn't in my quick-start.

If I still had the time for long-form with srs plot and a 900-word starter, y'know, I'd just head back to cherp for another stint. All of my old prompts there also did fairly well until I ran out of time to maintain them. It's parp—if you've selected script/both you should be prepared for a script opener. And it's open-ended, because railroading too hard is gauche.

In unrelated news, I'm sure the stick up your ass is astounding in breadth and length. (You can say that about me as well, tbh, I'm certainly a pedant, but at least I'm responding to spurious, vacillating complaints as opposed to making them.) I'm also really wondering what on earth it is that you actually RP.

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To the McDonald's Dave AGAIN who is literally so bothered that I don't like them that they made a multi paragraph post, I have actual prompts for whatever scene I'm playing in whatever given moment. When I say actual prompts I mean action prompts that set up the scene and not just a chunk of dialogue that I expect other people to riff off of. Not to mention the one singular time I tried replying to you in good faith because I was in a silly goofy mood, you sent a passive aggressive message and dc'd before I could even send it to you. Be for real.

I feel like you've misunderstood what I'm saying on purpose. It's fine if you don't like my prompt. I've specifically noted that what particularly annoys me is you misclassifying it as a one-liner. If you don't like the style, fine. If you don't like the dialogue, fine. I also don't really give a damn as to whether you like me or not. But it's not a one-liner nor a starter-free tag, and yeah, calling it that does bother me. Thanks for asking. Yes, I am a pedant. I've already established that one.

>actual prompts

Okay, and good for you. So my prompt doesn't suit your highly specific definition, great. You don't have to like it. Your definition of an "actual prompt", however biased, still does not make my tag an empty one-liner. It also does, in fact, set the scene, even if it doesn't do it extensively enough for you (see: dialogue opener set in burning McDonalds, "just set fire to the McDonald's we're in!" tag). There's also a very, very obvious action in the tag itself.

So, like, no matter how you hash this one out, you started out straight up wrong. That's just facts, hombre. If you want exposition, then use the word "exposition".

But let's talk about "actual prompts", I guess, since you seem really focused on excluding dialogue starters. Which, again, I feel like you should expect if you have script/both on when you search, and I don't send dialogue starters if I happen to match with someone on para-only. But whatever, we can roll with your premise for a sec.

Setting up the scene (with exposition, presumably, seeing as if you counted dialogue/tag scene-setting, I think the scene with that tag was blatantly obvious) is, frankly, lower on my list of priorities here than gauging whether or not I want to rp with you. This is script, y'know. While I've been party to RPs on db/mx that have more narration than dialogue, at the end of the day, the majority of it tends to be dialogue, and so first and foremost, I want to know whether or not I find your character portrayal fun, IC, or entertaining to write against. I don't see the point of keeping the chat otherwise.

I'm sorry I'm not sending my 900 word cherp prompts on db, ok? But aside from the fact that I just don't have the time to rp those right now, I guarantee that I'd be getting a lot more DCs because this isn't the target audience, not to mention that I find the DB/parp format horrible for litrp to begin with. I have a couple of shorter prompts that do set the setting with proper descriptions and all that rot, sure, but I don't feel like playing them, and I don't really see why I have to just because you think my dialogue prompt blows or whatever.

Our personal preferences evidently do not match up. Again, since apparently I keep having to say it, this still does not make my tag an empty one-liner. I'm not trying to make you like my prompt. I'm trying to say, "for God's sakes, dude, it isn't a one-liner, and whether you consider it an 'actual prompt' or not according to your own arbitrary standards, the fact remains that the starter exists." (And it also does what I need it to do, so believe it or not, it fulfills my use criteria for DB/mx).

If you hate it, call it quits. Hell, you can hate on it for what it is, but calling it a one-liner is simply so woefully inaccurate that it bothers me. On the other hand, if you're free to hate on it, I'm also free to express incredulity at the fact that it bothered you so much when I ran it for all of one day.

I don't know how you expected me to know that you tried responding to me and didn't do it before I DC'd. I find that ridiculous. To state the obvious, DB does not have a "typing" indicator. I have zero idea if you are typing. I generally DC at about the 1.5-3 minute mark on such short prompts if there's no response at all, because really, my prompt doesn't take that much time to respond to, and I don't want to sit for 30 minutes waiting just to find out that I don't vibe with your writing or even want to rp with your portrayal.

If you're mad about being DC'd on, well, tough luck, I guess? It happens. I've written with people that I'm pretty sure have DC'd on me multiple times in a row when untagged, 'cause they didn't like whatever direction my previous openers were going in. It went fine. This is an 18+ site, grow up.

Did I send something like "well I guess we aren't burning down a McDonalds"? Because that's about all I can remember sending once or twice on DC, and it's just an acknowledgement of your assumed lack of interest in responding to my prompt, because I'm actually aware that not everyone will like it; I really didn't consider it passive-aggressive. My bad, sorry. Regarding the assumption part, again, see: "lack of a typing indicator".

Side note: when I respond to someone's relatively long starter, I also actually let them know that I'm doing so, because, again, the site does not have typing notifiers. This still doesn't actually apply to the starter for that tag, because it's really not that complicated, but it's just a note.

And y'know what? I would DC on my quickstart in a heartbeat if I was on Cherp, looking for long litrp, because my litrp used to get hella long, and this type of shit would be a complete mismatch in terms of effort. But as it happens, at present, I'm not on Cherp, and I'm sending that prompt only to people searching for script/both, so those conditions aren't actually applicable.

(And all of that being said...I've sent even shorter, 1 or 3-line dialogue openers on mx/db before, and have done longer actual scene setting down the line. Others have also done that to me. And it works, because sometimes, it's ok to not setting dump at the very beginning.)

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It's funny. First you call my prompt a dumb one-liner with nothing to it, then you say you've read my starter and it's underwhelming. It's a script-style starter, and I'm sorry to hear you aren't a fan, but it does the trick, avoiding both empty chats and getting the ball rolling.

More to the point—which is it? You're vacillating so much, and you've already contradicted yourself. Is it a one liner or not? Are you just chucking it in with them because you've decided that there's no fun allowed?

You really sound rather focused on a tag I ran for all of a day. I'm sorry that me having a laugh with my tags makes you upset, okay? I'm sure you must have had a very difficult time dealing with all of that.

Do I need to tag myself morally dubious! arsonist!psychostrider(optional)! for you to be happy, even though it's effectively the same shit in different words? Even though, really, someone with a perfectly competent grasp of the English language ought to be able to figure that out? Please let me know. Do you want me to write paragraphs at length about the fire and ash spiralling up around him, and the thick plastic smoke that he coughs on, etc.? I think I've already made it clear that I will; it just isn't in my quick-start.

If I still had the time for long-form with srs plot and a 900-word starter, y'know, I'd just head back to cherp for another stint. All of my old prompts there also did fairly well until I ran out of time to maintain them. It's parp—if you've selected script/both you should be prepared for a script opener. And it's open-ended, because railroading too hard is gauche.

In unrelated news, I'm sure the stick up your ass is astounding in breadth and length. (You can say that about me as well, tbh, I'm certainly a pedant, but at least I'm responding to spurious, vacillating complaints as opposed to making them.) I'm also really wondering what on earth it is that you actually RP.

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Sadly, prob not gonna post it, but I'll elaborate a bit, I guess. It's not my best, but it's not empty, and more importantly re: that complaint, it certainly does exist. (And I'm still irked by the thought of it being called a one-liner—if I don't have at least a line or three to start off, I'm not even going to bother setting a tag, since half the reason I set them is so that I don't sit through x minutes of empty silence or get "yo sup").

Anyway, I believe in open-ended joke-esque prompts. A number of my other ones have done decently and actually do have a tendency to go down a fairly dark route due to the flippant initial treatment of what's actually a fairly serious situation. And while I don't mind whatever direction things go in and admit that I also want to have a few laughs, if responded to more seriously, I really will write arson/crime/blackmail/threats/murder/nc/etc., whatever, you name it; I'm playing for keeps.

As the "burning down a McDonalds" tag haver, I want to let that one-liner anon know that no, I actually do have an entire script-style starter for that; if you DC'd too quickly to see it and summarily decided to make your own wild assumptions, that's on you, bro.

It comes with multiple lines, an IC rant, and a reasonable amount of detail. Sure, the premise is dumb, but a. I don't see why I can't have a laugh with the tag, b. it's an accurate description of my starter, and c. I'm perfectly serious about the writing through the whole arson thing as well.

Sorry I'm not pounding y/c's ass with my bitch breaker asap, I guess? Lighten up. I hope you aren't also complaining about people that silently sit in chat without starting.

now i want to read your starter. damn.

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You know, I went and sent an ask, but then I figured I could just reply in the tag to speed things up, so whatever. I'll just type it out again.

Hey, anon? I ran the "just set the McDonald's we're in on fire" tag for a bit (only like a day, too, so I'm surprised it's annoyed you so badly), and actually, it's not a one-liner. If you DC'd too quickly to see my starter and decided to come up with spurious assumptions instead, that's on you, buddy.

It comes with a script-style starter that's fairly complete, with multiple lines, including an IC rant and other details. While it's a dumb tag for sure, it 1. Is a perfectly accurate way to describe my premise, 2. I don't see why I can't have a laugh at my own tags, and 3. I am also perfectly serious about writing through the rest of the arson-related details, if that's the direction things go in. I'll even write a whole string of gory crimes with you, in fact, so c'mon, don't be shy. I've been told my gore isn't half bad.

Like, sorry I'm not pounding y/c's ass with my massive fat bitchbreaker 3 seconds in, I guess? Lighten up.

Seriously, though. You're telling me you can rp your wildly profane 50-inch-dick barrels-of-cum vore-inflation-raceplay-slime whatever's, but it's suddenly a federal crime if I want to rp something with a tag + starter that amuses me?

It's a flippant starter written in a facetious way about a serious crime. If there's one direction it's easy to take it in, aside from pure crack or dark comedy, it'd be old fashioned psycho!mods, and guess what? Coincidentally, I'll write those, too.

Because...surprise? I have an arson tag and like writing about crime and other such dark details? Utterly shocking, I know.

You can be equally blasé. You can react in fear and horror. You can try and make a break for it. You can pour more oil. You can blackmail m/c with jail. So many options, and yet.

My inbox is open. Feel free to rail at me for the cardinal sin of playing crack seriously.

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While I would write f/f Homestuck on cherp (or would've while I was more active and not generally on hiatus), nobody actually ever connects to me on my shit.

All my prompts are m/all or f/all, and I have gotten connects for m/m and m/f on male prompts and connects for f/m on female prompts, but never a single f/f connect. I'm starting to wonder if people just filter out the prompts looking for all genders (because they filter out one of the specific gender tags).

Admittedly, my prompts do fall in the "massive AU" category a lot, but they involved neither hair-braiding fluff nor brain-draining smut. They're generally plot-focused, gritty, and at least a bit unhealthy for all characters involved. Medium-long litrp (realm of 500-1000 words plus, starting on the higher end). NSFWE, but not actually smut-oriented (and frequently quite the opposite; I generally offer to fade smut to black and focus on plot). Wouldn't say that I'm particularly picky on others' headcanons or appearance descriptions.

Overall, I think my prompts have a decent amount of complexity, and yet I've never gotten anyone picking up on any of them for f/f.

My writing isn't what I'd call terrible, either -- I think it's fine overall, and by cherp standards, I'm willing to declare it quite good -- so I'm wondering if (mostly) scifi prompts just aren't in the books for the f/f cherp demographic. At least for Homestuck, which is kind of ironic, considering Alternia's canon.

For OC, I considered connecting to a f/f cyberpunk prompt once. Wrote up some character descriptions and everything, but I ran out of irl time to RP.

ok curious ppl who write f/f sound off. im Litcherally a lesbian in real life and have identified as a wlw for more than half of my life now but i fucking despise writing f/f. has the culture changed?

because i used to write f/f maybe 4-5 years ago and i found it to be exhausting because i felt like i either only got "gentle [white] [thin] [cis] babus gently sit in the field and braid each others hair (anything else is abuse)" or people who i was 100% sure had never had a relationship or sex with a woman before and/or were probably men. and it was exhausting to me, as an actual lesbian, to roleplay things that were nothing like what an actual f/f relationship was like in a way that was boring (or seriously lacking in complexity, in any case)

like, i dont like writing f/f that feels like the fakey lesbian porn you see marketed toward cishet men, but i feel like i can never find anyone who wants to write with my butch or otherwise not white thin cis women female characters. for f/f or for f/m (which is what i primarily write.)

i dont know how to describe this but like if i wanted to write two women braiding each others hair in a field i would just go to my gfs house and sit with her in her back yard for an hour you know? i want complexity and i want hardships and i want unhealthy relationships but the last time i was hardcore into f/f anything that wasnt completely sterilized was designated as horrible, vile, and abusive and i pretty much havent touched it since because i cant stand it. is it different now? or do we just not see it at all? or what?

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when prompts are like “ALL CHARACTERS 18+” thats fine I do it too so mods know whats up but when people are like “ALL CHARACTERS 18+ NO EXCEPTIONS DONT BE A NASTY DISGUSTING FREAK ON MY PROMPT WEIRDO!!!!” It’s like take it down a notch buddy like it’s already against the rules to do underage stuff lol

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Really starting to think that computer equipment he talked about selling on eBay (and immediately backtracked when Hex asked him if it was the server TT purchased) was actually indeed TT's server and he's trying to avoid literally any other discussion of it (DMs not open? Just add the person you took the money from and talk it you you absolute fucking turnip)

god this 100% has to be true