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I didn't buy his book after all, because the free part of it on Kindle was enough to see that it was probably going to be a 600-page unfounded ramble, as usual, and I'm not going to spend my very limited money on bullshit. By the way. Some people who are tired of this have started a new sub on Reddit where his delusions are not welcome. I hope it will become the proper place to discuss Columbine without being shunned for criticizing conspiracy theories.

“Eric killed Dylan”

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And also this, yes. Diagnosing someone's psychological characteristics from their photo is my favorite example of hindsight idiocy. You can take any photo of any person and find manifestations of "evil" and "psychopathy" in it, if you know in hindsight that this person committed a crime. Not to mention the fact that physiognomy and phrenology are pseudosciences. There are certain features that can indicate psychological disorders, but in 99.9% of cases, it's impossible to draw any reasonable conclusions from someone's appearance.

Re: Who Came up With NBK

One of my mutuals reblogged and pointed out a common problem with those defences of Eric posts, and mentioned that they often demonize and then completely throw Dylan under the bus in the same way Cullen did to Eric “eric not to blame, both boys were responsible…but heres all the dumb ways im gonna demonize dylan and blame him for everything” type of shit. (I lowkey see more people doing this than people demonizing Eric these days, despite the fact that you have someone in your ear every 5 minutes reminding you of how bullshit Cullen’s theory is)

And honestly? Yeah. I’m lowkey fucking sick of seeing that shit and i’ve had this sitting in my drafts for awhile so;

First off. And short and sweet. It doesn’t matter who came up with it. It only matters if you point the finger and place blame on one boys shoulders, and suggest that there is something indicative in that. You can absolve Eric of leadership and coming up with the damn thing without demonizing Dylan for christ sake.

Long winded:

I do think people inadvertently place blame and subsequent resentment onto Dylan’s shoulders for Cullen’s mischaracterization of Eric, causing them to demonize Dylan in the same ways as a punishment. Intentional or no.

Its not Dylan’s fault. Its Cullens, but its also Eric’s. He wanted to be seen in this stupid way and he succeeded. Dylan wanted to be seen this way too but didn’t seem to realize people would see his “journal” (and had the benefit of living in one community the entire time so more people saw the real him, not what he became in his anguish)

And also Harrises parents for not coming forward about him to humanize him (even though you brain dead dorks whine about that while simultaneously whining about how Sue she should’ve shut the fuck up lol. Talk about retarded. Make up your fucking mind)

Thats not to say I think they’re evil mind you. In fact I think they get too much shit in this community. Its funny to joke but I couldn’t imagine doing that myself in their predicament. They were heartbroken and traumatized. Anyway…

You need not sling the whole responsibility onto Dylan to emphasize Eric’s humanity.

It is highly probable after the van arrest and after the tampon incident (which indeed was in January of 1998), they were commiserating in rage, and they came up with it at the same time. Neither boy was seriously plotting a massacre by themselves.(as a fantasy? Sure but seriously nah)

All those meetings they carpooled too? What do you think they talked about.

We don’t know who brought it up first. Many will say “oh dylan mentioned it first in his journal therefore HES THE EVIL MASTERMIND) but that means absolutely nothing.

Dylan just so happened to start his journal wayyyy before Harris. Eric only starts writing after they started planning. This does not mean Dylan came up with it, or was the leader.

I think you’d have to be pretty naive to believe eric (who had a very long standing anger problem) didn’t entertain the idea in private before. He was getting picked on way before 1997-98. Again. He had anger issues. If he wrote a journal back then I guarantee he would have wrote extensively about how he wanted to hurt the people that hurt him.

Not to mention the shit he mentioned to Sasha Jacobs about setting a bridge on fire in Plattsburg (?) or if we believe ex girlfriend Valerie Lage’s accounts..yeesh.

Again. Ultimately it doesn’t matter. It only matters when people try to point the finger and use it as a way to demonize. Which is why I’m responding to it. Otherwise again, i wouldn’t even be bringing it up. it wouldn’t matter.

Both boys at the end of the day agreed to shoot the place up.

And as far as the whole claim dylan was the leader..reallyyy? Disorganized apathetic dylan? That makes more sense to you? More than a collaborative project? Sure. Both boys wanted to impress each other. Both boys wanted to punish a world they felt rejected them.

I could just as easily be nitpicky and point the finger at Harris for a variety of things that would push blame on to him and suggest he wanted it more.

For supplying 70% or more of the funds for NBK (Dylan wasn’t working for a good while until December of 1998 when he got rehired at blackjacks, and had to pay car insurance/gas with the little he had, he was also paid less.)

and the place to build the bombs as it seems they were over at his place 90% of the time.

Or, and someone pointed this out to me today, the fact that Dylan if you look through their journals, he was still looking for a reason to stay up until January of 1999. (You could make the claim that he wanted to find a girl to do it with but i doubt he’d ever bring it up if he got a girlfriend unless she too had open anger issues and was toxic. Noo. Far too risky. What if she tells mom holy shit!)

Or that we have statements from the people who knew them that said Eric would yell at Dylan and Dylan would just take it and listen, etc.

Or this indicating hesitant resentment towards the idea of accepting that yes, this is how it has to be (yes im aware people interpret it differently) interesting how they always cut off that bottom part huh.

Or this possibly indicating dylan planned to off himself way before nbk could happen

But i’m not going to. Don’t take this as an actual serious argument for why Eric was to blame because he wasn’t and it means nothing. It serves no other purpose other than to cement my point, because again it’d be fucking stupid and nitpicky.

Both boys were perfectly capable of making decisions on their own.

I know we joke about Eric being retarded but he wasn’t he was very smart. I think had he gotten the opportunity to stay in one location to grow up he would have been designated as gifted too (maybe.)

—-Even in the basement tapes, Eric says this regarding the shootings:

“Do not think we’re trying to copy anyone. We had the idea before the first one ever happened. Our plan is better, not like those fucks in Kentucky with camouflage and .22s. Those kids were only trying to be accepted by others.”

We have far more reason to believe they were airing their frustrations and venting their rage regarding their arrest and realized they had a homicidal tendency in common with one another.

As for dylan hooting and hollaring more then eric..does it fucking matter again? Harris also taunted people. They both killed.

I think both boys respected two different forms of violence to some extent. Eric with the cold calculated professionalism of a solider, Dylan some confident crazy loud and in charge asshole. A complete opposite of who he had been his entire life.

Idk. We are so permissive of Eric’s little rape fantasies but not Dylan’s romanticism clearly inspired by NBK (the movie). Yes one actually happened but I don’t think it matters. To me even actual NBK was a fantasy for both until it happened. And often times the line between fantasy and reality is very..very thin imo.

Eric was not some angel. neither was Dylan. Ppft far from it. Big shocker I know. Both wanted to hurt people that day. Both killed people. Both wanted to blow up that fucking school and were okay with their friends dying in the process.

Well..maybe not okay but they didn’t want to dwell on it. (I dont think they actively spent too much time thinking about that part)

You think we’d know better than to demonize one boy over the other by now but no apparently not.

Even if Dylan came up with it it wouldn’t change anything or make them less equal in responsibility or cruelty. They both had to PLAN for it after the initial “hey lets do this”

The same goes for Eric.

Is it strange to think that the line between complete normalcy and what they did is also thin? Most boys i’ve befriended have admitted to fantasizing about murder in some capacity, either in a heroic way, a suicidal way, or in a villainous way. The only difference is that they don’t have the means or boldness to actually act on it.

Eric and Dylan found each other and that made them obtain both of those two things that tipped the scale.

I understand the goal is to recognize that Dylan had homicidal tendencies alongside Eric, but we’ve gone past that and completely turned Dylan into the evil mastermind behind everything.

We can like.. examine each boy compassionately instead of being brain dead and subverting an incorrect narrative. It doesn’t automatically correct itself just because you pulled the whole uno reverse thing.

C’monnnnnnuh.

Thank you for coming to my horse Ted Talk. No i will not be taking questions, argue amongst yourselves I just wanted this out there blahhh.

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I think that the idiotic "diagnosis" of psychopathy has been very damaging to the understanding of the psychological and social causes of Columbine. Psychopathy is an outdated concept, it's not recognized as a diagnosis by any medical authority or classification, and is used by cops as a convenient label to slap on a perpetrator with a purpose to relieve themselves of the task of explaining the motives for their actions.

Re: Who Came up With NBK

One of my mutuals reblogged and pointed out a common problem with those defences of Eric posts, and mentioned that they often demonize and then completely throw Dylan under the bus in the same way Cullen did to Eric “eric not to blame, both boys were responsible…but heres all the dumb ways im gonna demonize dylan and blame him for everything” type of shit. (I lowkey see more people doing this than people demonizing Eric these days, despite the fact that you have someone in your ear every 5 minutes reminding you of how bullshit Cullen’s theory is)

And honestly? Yeah. I’m lowkey fucking sick of seeing that shit and i’ve had this sitting in my drafts for awhile so;

First off. And short and sweet. It doesn’t matter who came up with it. It only matters if you point the finger and place blame on one boys shoulders, and suggest that there is something indicative in that. You can absolve Eric of leadership and coming up with the damn thing without demonizing Dylan for christ sake.

Long winded:

I do think people inadvertently place blame and subsequent resentment onto Dylan’s shoulders for Cullen’s mischaracterization of Eric, causing them to demonize Dylan in the same ways as a punishment. Intentional or no.

Its not Dylan’s fault. Its Cullens, but its also Eric’s. He wanted to be seen in this stupid way and he succeeded. Dylan wanted to be seen this way too but didn’t seem to realize people would see his “journal” (and had the benefit of living in one community the entire time so more people saw the real him, not what he became in his anguish)

And also Harrises parents for not coming forward about him to humanize him (even though you brain dead dorks whine about that while simultaneously whining about how Sue she should’ve shut the fuck up lol. Talk about retarded. Make up your fucking mind)

Thats not to say I think they’re evil mind you. In fact I think they get too much shit in this community. Its funny to joke but I couldn’t imagine doing that myself in their predicament. They were heartbroken and traumatized. Anyway…

You need not sling the whole responsibility onto Dylan to emphasize Eric’s humanity.

It is highly probable after the van arrest and after the tampon incident (which indeed was in January of 1998), they were commiserating in rage, and they came up with it at the same time. Neither boy was seriously plotting a massacre by themselves.(as a fantasy? Sure but seriously nah)

All those meetings they carpooled too? What do you think they talked about.

We don’t know who brought it up first. Many will say “oh dylan mentioned it first in his journal therefore HES THE EVIL MASTERMIND) but that means absolutely nothing.

Dylan just so happened to start his journal wayyyy before Harris. Eric only starts writing after they started planning. This does not mean Dylan came up with it, or was the leader.

I think you’d have to be pretty naive to believe eric (who had a very long standing anger problem) didn’t entertain the idea in private before. He was getting picked on way before 1997-98. Again. He had anger issues. If he wrote a journal back then I guarantee he would have wrote extensively about how he wanted to hurt the people that hurt him.

Not to mention the shit he mentioned to Sasha Jacobs about setting a bridge on fire in Plattsburg (?) or if we believe ex girlfriend Valerie Lage’s accounts..yeesh.

Again. Ultimately it doesn’t matter. It only matters when people try to point the finger and use it as a way to demonize. Which is why I’m responding to it. Otherwise again, i wouldn’t even be bringing it up. it wouldn’t matter.

Both boys at the end of the day agreed to shoot the place up.

And as far as the whole claim dylan was the leader..reallyyy? Disorganized apathetic dylan? That makes more sense to you? More than a collaborative project? Sure. Both boys wanted to impress each other. Both boys wanted to punish a world they felt rejected them.

I could just as easily be nitpicky and point the finger at Harris for a variety of things that would push blame on to him and suggest he wanted it more.

For supplying 70% or more of the funds for NBK (Dylan wasn’t working for a good while until December of 1998 when he got rehired at blackjacks, and had to pay car insurance/gas with the little he had, he was also paid less.)

and the place to build the bombs as it seems they were over at his place 90% of the time.

Or, and someone pointed this out to me today, the fact that Dylan if you look through their journals, he was still looking for a reason to stay up until January of 1999. (You could make the claim that he wanted to find a girl to do it with but i doubt he’d ever bring it up if he got a girlfriend unless she too had open anger issues and was toxic. Noo. Far too risky. What if she tells mom holy shit!)

Or that we have statements from the people who knew them that said Eric would yell at Dylan and Dylan would just take it and listen, etc.

Or this indicating hesitant resentment towards the idea of accepting that yes, this is how it has to be (yes im aware people interpret it differently) interesting how they always cut off that bottom part huh.

Or this possibly indicating dylan planned to off himself way before nbk could happen

But i’m not going to. Don’t take this as an actual serious argument for why Eric was to blame because he wasn’t and it means nothing. It serves no other purpose other than to cement my point, because again it’d be fucking stupid and nitpicky.

Both boys were perfectly capable of making decisions on their own.

I know we joke about Eric being retarded but he wasn’t he was very smart. I think had he gotten the opportunity to stay in one location to grow up he would have been designated as gifted too (maybe.)

—-Even in the basement tapes, Eric says this regarding the shootings:

“Do not think we’re trying to copy anyone. We had the idea before the first one ever happened. Our plan is better, not like those fucks in Kentucky with camouflage and .22s. Those kids were only trying to be accepted by others.”

We have far more reason to believe they were airing their frustrations and venting their rage regarding their arrest and realized they had a homicidal tendency in common with one another.

As for dylan hooting and hollaring more then eric..does it fucking matter again? Harris also taunted people. They both killed.

I think both boys respected two different forms of violence to some extent. Eric with the cold calculated professionalism of a solider, Dylan some confident crazy loud and in charge asshole. A complete opposite of who he had been his entire life.

Idk. We are so permissive of Eric’s little rape fantasies but not Dylan’s romanticism clearly inspired by NBK (the movie). Yes one actually happened but I don’t think it matters. To me even actual NBK was a fantasy for both until it happened. And often times the line between fantasy and reality is very..very thin imo.

Eric was not some angel. neither was Dylan. Ppft far from it. Big shocker I know. Both wanted to hurt people that day. Both killed people. Both wanted to blow up that fucking school and were okay with their friends dying in the process.

Well..maybe not okay but they didn’t want to dwell on it. (I dont think they actively spent too much time thinking about that part)

You think we’d know better than to demonize one boy over the other by now but no apparently not.

Even if Dylan came up with it it wouldn’t change anything or make them less equal in responsibility or cruelty. They both had to PLAN for it after the initial “hey lets do this”

The same goes for Eric.

Is it strange to think that the line between complete normalcy and what they did is also thin? Most boys i’ve befriended have admitted to fantasizing about murder in some capacity, either in a heroic way, a suicidal way, or in a villainous way. The only difference is that they don’t have the means or boldness to actually act on it.

Eric and Dylan found each other and that made them obtain both of those two things that tipped the scale.

I understand the goal is to recognize that Dylan had homicidal tendencies alongside Eric, but we’ve gone past that and completely turned Dylan into the evil mastermind behind everything.

We can like.. examine each boy compassionately instead of being brain dead and subverting an incorrect narrative. It doesn’t automatically correct itself just because you pulled the whole uno reverse thing.

C’monnnnnnuh.

Thank you for coming to my horse Ted Talk. No i will not be taking questions, argue amongst yourselves I just wanted this out there blahhh.

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Recently, a guy on Reddit tried to convince me in private that Dylan was actually a psychopath because he was better at hiding his emotions while Eric spat them out on the internet and in the faces of everyone he didn't like. What can I say about that? It's facepalm. Dylan also had a lot of self-control issues, was physically aggressive towards girls at school and a co-worker, swore at his teacher, etc. It just wasn't as obvious and faded into the background of the dominant narrative. I agree that we simply don't know who came up with the idea first (that's not the same as who wrote about it first), and that it had little impact on the final outcome—they both wanted to do it and did it.

Re: Who Came up With NBK

One of my mutuals reblogged and pointed out a common problem with those defences of Eric posts, and mentioned that they often demonize and then completely throw Dylan under the bus in the same way Cullen did to Eric “eric not to blame, both boys were responsible…but heres all the dumb ways im gonna demonize dylan and blame him for everything” type of shit. (I lowkey see more people doing this than people demonizing Eric these days, despite the fact that you have someone in your ear every 5 minutes reminding you of how bullshit Cullen’s theory is)

And honestly? Yeah. I’m lowkey fucking sick of seeing that shit and i’ve had this sitting in my drafts for awhile so;

First off. And short and sweet. It doesn’t matter who came up with it. It only matters if you point the finger and place blame on one boys shoulders, and suggest that there is something indicative in that. You can absolve Eric of leadership and coming up with the damn thing without demonizing Dylan for christ sake.

Long winded:

I do think people inadvertently place blame and subsequent resentment onto Dylan’s shoulders for Cullen’s mischaracterization of Eric, causing them to demonize Dylan in the same ways as a punishment. Intentional or no.

Its not Dylan’s fault. Its Cullens, but its also Eric’s. He wanted to be seen in this stupid way and he succeeded. Dylan wanted to be seen this way too but didn’t seem to realize people would see his “journal” (and had the benefit of living in one community the entire time so more people saw the real him, not what he became in his anguish)

And also Harrises parents for not coming forward about him to humanize him (even though you brain dead dorks whine about that while simultaneously whining about how Sue she should’ve shut the fuck up lol. Talk about retarded. Make up your fucking mind)

Thats not to say I think they’re evil mind you. In fact I think they get too much shit in this community. Its funny to joke but I couldn’t imagine doing that myself in their predicament. They were heartbroken and traumatized. Anyway…

You need not sling the whole responsibility onto Dylan to emphasize Eric’s humanity.

It is highly probable after the van arrest and after the tampon incident (which indeed was in January of 1998), they were commiserating in rage, and they came up with it at the same time. Neither boy was seriously plotting a massacre by themselves.(as a fantasy? Sure but seriously nah)

All those meetings they carpooled too? What do you think they talked about.

We don’t know who brought it up first. Many will say “oh dylan mentioned it first in his journal therefore HES THE EVIL MASTERMIND) but that means absolutely nothing.

Dylan just so happened to start his journal wayyyy before Harris. Eric only starts writing after they started planning. This does not mean Dylan came up with it, or was the leader.

I think you’d have to be pretty naive to believe eric (who had a very long standing anger problem) didn’t entertain the idea in private before. He was getting picked on way before 1997-98. Again. He had anger issues. If he wrote a journal back then I guarantee he would have wrote extensively about how he wanted to hurt the people that hurt him.

Not to mention the shit he mentioned to Sasha Jacobs about setting a bridge on fire in Plattsburg (?) or if we believe ex girlfriend Valerie Lage’s accounts..yeesh.

Again. Ultimately it doesn’t matter. It only matters when people try to point the finger and use it as a way to demonize. Which is why I’m responding to it. Otherwise again, i wouldn’t even be bringing it up. it wouldn’t matter.

Both boys at the end of the day agreed to shoot the place up.

And as far as the whole claim dylan was the leader..reallyyy? Disorganized apathetic dylan? That makes more sense to you? More than a collaborative project? Sure. Both boys wanted to impress each other. Both boys wanted to punish a world they felt rejected them.

I could just as easily be nitpicky and point the finger at Harris for a variety of things that would push blame on to him and suggest he wanted it more.

For supplying 70% or more of the funds for NBK (Dylan wasn’t working for a good while until December of 1998 when he got rehired at blackjacks, and had to pay car insurance/gas with the little he had, he was also paid less.)

and the place to build the bombs as it seems they were over at his place 90% of the time.

Or, and someone pointed this out to me today, the fact that Dylan if you look through their journals, he was still looking for a reason to stay up until January of 1999. (You could make the claim that he wanted to find a girl to do it with but i doubt he’d ever bring it up if he got a girlfriend unless she too had open anger issues and was toxic. Noo. Far too risky. What if she tells mom holy shit!)

Or that we have statements from the people who knew them that said Eric would yell at Dylan and Dylan would just take it and listen, etc.

Or this indicating hesitant resentment towards the idea of accepting that yes, this is how it has to be (yes im aware people interpret it differently) interesting how they always cut off that bottom part huh.

Or this possibly indicating dylan planned to off himself way before nbk could happen

But i’m not going to. Don’t take this as an actual serious argument for why Eric was to blame because he wasn’t and it means nothing. It serves no other purpose other than to cement my point, because again it’d be fucking stupid and nitpicky.

Both boys were perfectly capable of making decisions on their own.

I know we joke about Eric being retarded but he wasn’t he was very smart. I think had he gotten the opportunity to stay in one location to grow up he would have been designated as gifted too (maybe.)

—-Even in the basement tapes, Eric says this regarding the shootings:

“Do not think we’re trying to copy anyone. We had the idea before the first one ever happened. Our plan is better, not like those fucks in Kentucky with camouflage and .22s. Those kids were only trying to be accepted by others.”

We have far more reason to believe they were airing their frustrations and venting their rage regarding their arrest and realized they had a homicidal tendency in common with one another.

As for dylan hooting and hollaring more then eric..does it fucking matter again? Harris also taunted people. They both killed.

I think both boys respected two different forms of violence to some extent. Eric with the cold calculated professionalism of a solider, Dylan some confident crazy loud and in charge asshole. A complete opposite of who he had been his entire life.

Idk. We are so permissive of Eric’s little rape fantasies but not Dylan’s romanticism clearly inspired by NBK (the movie). Yes one actually happened but I don’t think it matters. To me even actual NBK was a fantasy for both until it happened. And often times the line between fantasy and reality is very..very thin imo.

Eric was not some angel. neither was Dylan. Ppft far from it. Big shocker I know. Both wanted to hurt people that day. Both killed people. Both wanted to blow up that fucking school and were okay with their friends dying in the process.

Well..maybe not okay but they didn’t want to dwell on it. (I dont think they actively spent too much time thinking about that part)

You think we’d know better than to demonize one boy over the other by now but no apparently not.

Even if Dylan came up with it it wouldn’t change anything or make them less equal in responsibility or cruelty. They both had to PLAN for it after the initial “hey lets do this”

The same goes for Eric.

Is it strange to think that the line between complete normalcy and what they did is also thin? Most boys i’ve befriended have admitted to fantasizing about murder in some capacity, either in a heroic way, a suicidal way, or in a villainous way. The only difference is that they don’t have the means or boldness to actually act on it.

Eric and Dylan found each other and that made them obtain both of those two things that tipped the scale.

I understand the goal is to recognize that Dylan had homicidal tendencies alongside Eric, but we’ve gone past that and completely turned Dylan into the evil mastermind behind everything.

We can like.. examine each boy compassionately instead of being brain dead and subverting an incorrect narrative. It doesn’t automatically correct itself just because you pulled the whole uno reverse thing.

C’monnnnnnuh.

Thank you for coming to my horse Ted Talk. No i will not be taking questions, argue amongst yourselves I just wanted this out there blahhh.

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Actually, maybe you're right. Maybe it's just my bias, because I was never fascinated by the Nazis, even as a teenager. They have always disgusted me. Maybe that's why I don't understand. And it's not that I'm so fucking ethical, far from it. Or that I was much smarter at their age, not at all. I idolized Mickey and Mallory no less than Eric and Dylan idolized them, for example. And I loved Tarantino's movies and all those goofy gangsters in them. I had other role models, maybe that's the reason.

When you see those photos of Bryer, and He's in memoribilia?

Alan: He was being bullied in his special ED school, okay? It's a skinny, thin guy so you know he's got to put on a scary image. Just for self protection, Kay? Lots of kids do that. But they were selling this Nazi stuff, a block and a half away from his special education school. Two kids. The shop has since closed but there's lots of it in Port Alberni. Don't finger point at my kid because he was wearing something that was mass sold in that town.

Via Global News.

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That's actually what I don't understand about this whole thing. The fixation with the Nazis. In the case of Eric and Dylan, it was a superficial fascination with all things militaristic and the aesthetics of it, but even for them it was more an edgy shit to act out than an actual belief in Nazi ideology. And now all these copycats are repeating this nonsense like fucking parrots. Kids, for god's sake, use your brains. Ok, you want to be bad and infamous, I get that part, even if I don't much approve of it, but why repeat the most cringeworthy and ridiculous shit along the way?

When you see those photos of Bryer, and He's in memoribilia?

Alan: He was being bullied in his special ED school, okay? It's a skinny, thin guy so you know he's got to put on a scary image. Just for self protection, Kay? Lots of kids do that. But they were selling this Nazi stuff, a block and a half away from his special education school. Two kids. The shop has since closed but there's lots of it in Port Alberni. Don't finger point at my kid because he was wearing something that was mass sold in that town.

Via Global News.

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Can u believe Eric won a 2v1

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This is off topic, I'm sorry, but I've been looking at the mugshots of some recent perps and they're kind of uninteresting. But if you look at some old mugshots, like from the 1920s or 1960s, it's a completely different story. You often don't know who the fuck these people were and what they did, but some photos are just priceless:)

What is the most Iconic tcc perpetrator mugshot?

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OMG, and this, on top of everything else. Sorry for writing about this at such length. It's not so much about Randy personally, I don't wish him any harm or anything. It's about bullshit being spread and people being shunned for calling it out. I can't stand that, it just makes me sick to my stomach. I'm also pretty disheartened by the fact that a lot of people tolerate this shit for some reason, and some of them literally leak Randy's ass under every comment he makes. Even when he says something as obvious as "the sky is blue".

So, about this screenshot and the thread in general.

1) The statement that Dylan's parents don't care about the truth. You know, I am a very cynical person and theoretically I can even believe that. What I can't believe is that they, especially Sue, are going against their own agenda. Sue doesn't like Eric very much. If she had the slightest suspicion that Eric killed Dylan, everyone would hear it from her through every possible media channel and internet platform. She would probably also try to get a new investigation started and have her son's death ruled a homicide. She's a very motivated and strong woman, and she loves her son very much. She would do anything to clear his name at least a little bit, she just can't help it. So if even Sue, who had seen the same photos and other evidence as Randy, and maybe more, and had all the possible biases and motivations, didn't buy this theory, it tells me that the theory in question wouldn't stand up to any serious reality check. That it is, as I said, bullshit.

2) Randy somehow conveniently forgot that Dylan also killed innocent children and didn't seem to care much about them. To the point of shooting some of them in the face while taunting them at the same time. So this whole argument about Eric's morals or lack thereof doesn't make much sense. There is a concept in criminology called motive. Eric had no motive to kill Dylan. Zero. The only possibility would have been assisted suicide if Dylan had asked him to do it, but the evidence doesn't support that. According to the available evidence, Dylan shot himself.

3) About the ethics and morals of Randy himself. Why is he doing this? There are two possibilities. The first is that he has good intentions but is using the wrong means. For example, he wants to ruin the romanticized image of double suicide in the minds of vulnerable teenagers. Someone even said something like that in the thread, if I remember correctly. Maybe. But as a cynical and not-so-young person, beaten down by some life experiences, I feel there is another reason. Randy is simply building his own reputation and some kind of personal brand on other people's tragedies and trying to sell his stupid book (very poorly written, self-published, with tons of repetitions and inconsistencies, etc.). You can only envy his self-confidence. Most people with greater expertise are much less categorical in their judgments and more modest in their behavior. In other words, being aggressively ignorant, our uncle Randy is simply parasitizing on this story. And that is disgusting.

Ok i’m actually now reading this thread and my god.

You did what? Add this to another reason why the Klebold’s want nothing to do with you or your family. Talk about ripping open old wounds. Its bad enough he entertains this conspiracy, but trying to drag them into it on the basis of fuck all?

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Okay, I'll add a little more. There are things that I really dislike. I would even say I hate them outright. And that is hypocrisy and double standards. Unfortunately, that's what I see in the thematic subreddits when it comes to Randy.

God knows, I understand that the mods may want to show him respect as an elderly man and a direct witness to the events, but this is really gone too far. If any other member of the community was making so many unsubstantiated claims while engaging in the toxic manner of discussion I described above, they would have been put in their place long ago. But not Randy. He can do anything. There's nothing we can do about it, but it's worth being aware of.

Also, it's important to understand the difference between "having different positions" and equating unsubstantiated claims with a well-founded and evidence based arguments, reducing everything to "everyone can believe what they want." When evidence is discussed, it is not a question of belief, it is a matter of proof, its presence or absence, and the relation of the statements being made to reality.

If I say that the earth is flat and reptilians have provided me with hard evidence of this, but I won't show it to you because they have prohibited me from doing so, everyone will laugh at me and they would be absolutely right. When Randy does almost exactly the same, he gets away with it.

Randy Brown and the "straw man fallacy"

I didn't want to go back to uncle Randy, but he's been singing his "Eric killed Dylan" aria in the comments on Reddit again, and behaving as usual. So let me add a little something.

What he usually does is a very old demagogic tactic called the "straw man fallacy". Basically, it's refuting an argument that's different from the one being discussed, without recognising or acknowledging the difference. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly substituting a different proposition (i.e. "set up a straw man") and then refuting that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition. Straw man arguments have been used throughout history in polemical debates, especially on highly charged emotional issues, so Randy didn't invent a bicycle here.

Example: Someone asks Randy a very specific question about evidence. Randy responds by accusing the opponent of being an Eric's fan girl / fan boy, of dismissing other "evidence" (which he never provided), and also of having some "theories" and "believing in something". He never answers the actual question. Those who fall into this primitive trap and start to argue against Randy's accusations have lost from the very beginning, because Randy has achieved his goal, he doesn't answer the question, it's you who for some nonexistent reason justify yourself.

Recognise this shit and don't waste your time and energy on it.

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It's Eric's birthday today, and it's interesting to read what people much younger than me have to say about what might have become of him. Because I'm exactly the same age as that sad bastard would have been now. One person said that he would have been somebody's father. And that their father is younger. He could have children, yes, maybe, but maybe not. I never wanted kids myself, but people are different. But I have a hard time imagining him as an idyllic family man. More like someone like me, only male, some kind of life beaten dude, maybe divorced, who still has something to live for. Maybe it's his kids, if he has them, maybe it's his friends. My friends have saved me from losing hope many times in my life.

Anyway, he's dead. And maybe some people would judge me for that, but I'm very glad that he's not rotting in prison. It's better that way for me for some reason. He did terrible shit, but he deserved this freedom from suffering. He suffered enough.

Happy birthday and rest in peace, my bittersweet idiot 💔

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Randy Brown and the "straw man fallacy"

I didn't want to go back to uncle Randy, but he's been singing his "Eric killed Dylan" aria in the comments on Reddit again, and behaving as usual. So let me add a little something.

What he usually does is a very old demagogic tactic called the "straw man fallacy". Basically, it's refuting an argument that's different from the one being discussed, without recognising or acknowledging the difference. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly substituting a different proposition (i.e. "set up a straw man") and then refuting that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition. Straw man arguments have been used throughout history in polemical debates, especially on highly charged emotional issues, so Randy didn't invent anything here.

Example: Someone asks Randy a very specific question about evidence. Randy responds by accusing the opponent of being an Eric's fan girl / fan boy, of dismissing other "evidence" (which he never provided), and also of having some "theories" and "believing in something". He never answers the actual question. Those who fall into this primitive trap and start to argue against Randy's accusations have lost from the very beginning, because Randy has achieved his goal, he doesn't answer the question, it's you who for some nonexistent reason justify yourself.

Recognise this shit and don't waste your time and energy on it.

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I'm 99% sure who exactly this friend was. Indeed, it's not something you would get over easily even after 26 years.

SPEAKING of Zach Heckler. I have no way of verifying this, but the mod of the columbinekillers subreddit made mention of this

If this is true and its for who I think…like..man i’m so sad.

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Oh fucking hell, the last few days have been tough. You wouldn't listen to me, of course, we only learn from our own mistakes, but I'll say it anyway. If you don't smoke, don't ever start. I've been smoking for 30 fucking years, since I was 13. In my home country cigarettes are very cheap, so there is no problem. But when you're far away with a very badly paid job and a pack of fags costs 17 euros and you run out of money, it's torture. It's the worst addiction I've ever had. I can go months without drinking, even though I am objectively an alcoholic, but this is just unbearable. I finally got 20 euros from paypal, ran to the gas station at 3AM, woke up and pissed off a guy over there, and now I'm sitting on the pavement smoking. And I feel in heaven and miserable at the same time. Don't start that shit while you still can.

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EXACTLY! I am, how to put it, a much simpler, more impulsive and primitive person. I would just get a gun somewhere, if I didn't already have one, and go six feet under after my child. Very soon. Sometime right after the funeral. But Sue had the strength to stay and even try to research the causes and do something to help young people with suicidal ideation.

the level of love Sue has for Dylan is genuinely unfathomable to me. I can not imagine being loved to that degree.

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On sympathy and empathy for the victims

If we would at least try to be honest with ourselves...

Expressing empathy for victims is a social ritual for most people. But on a more personal level, if you don't feel a connection to a particular person (no matter if it's victim or a perp) because of similar experiences or personality traits or whatever — that's not real empathy. It's like finding out by chance that a neighbour you barely know has died and saying to his grieving wife: "I'm so sorry for your loss".

And 5 minutes later you forget about it.

That's the truth of it, if we at least once in our life aren't being hypocritical.