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society has progressed the need to make logan’s entire character be that he’s insecure

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you think the sides ever had an existential crisis???

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bad things happen in life and i instantly just shove that projection onto patton huh

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Receipts for Patton’s Toxic Behavior

THIS IS NOT A DISCOURSE POST AND I WON’T ANSWER DISCOURSE REBLOGGED HERE. THIS WAS MADE FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. IF YOU’D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT WITH ME YOU CAN MESSAGE ME.

I’ve gotten people asking me how Patton has shown toxic behavior in the series so I decided to rewatch the series and collect receipts. Enjoy.

Because this whole discourse started after SvS, that’s the episode I’ll be starting with (coupled with DWIT). However, after that, they will be in chronological order.

These behaviors have repeating evidence, so I just grouped the evidence together under (or rather, above) the topic to save a little space. Each new point (or receipt, I suppose) will be preceded by  ⭐)

Selfishness VS Selflessness & Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts

⭐ (SVS; 2:11) T: “The callback date is inflexible.” P: *sigh* “Same as the wedding date.” T (unenthusiastically): “Yeah.” P: “And Lee and Mary Lee really want you to be there.” T (unenthusiastically): “Yeah.” P: “And they’ve always been there for you when you needed them.” T(unenthusiastically): “Yeah.” P: *sigh* “And you were really excited to go, too.” T (hesitantly): “Yeah.”

This kind of dialogue is very common in abusive and manipulative relationships. Am I saying Patton is abusive? No. Toxic behavior and abusive behavior are two different things; abusiveness has intent, toxicity has ignorance.

Anyways, during this exchange, Thomas isn’t even trying to argue with Patton about going to the callback yet, and neither is Roman. All they did was tell Patton the date, and what is his go-to reaction? Guilt-tripping. 

Guilt-tripping is a tactic used by many abusers to goad the abused into agreeing with them and/or doing what they want. It uses a specific manner of speaking, nitpicking at the things that are important to the abused (read: Thomas’ friendships) and playing to their weaknesses (read: not wanting to be seen as a bad friend. This point is further explored later in the post for another video). He’s actively, albeit subconsciously, guilting Thomas into agreeing with him to go to the wedding without question.

⭐ (SVS; 7:22) P: “And Roman, I thought you fought for honor! Why are you pushing Thomas to be dishonest?”

Here, Patton attacks Roman’s very character while guilt-tripping him. I’ll save post space by sparing the lengthy analysis of a behavior I’ve already discussed, but if you need me to go farther than this please message me and I’ll be happy to discuss.

Toxic Behavior: guilt-tripping (2)

⭐ (SvS) Patton is also telling Thomas how he feels (”And you were really excited to go, too.”), something Deceit Logan points out not even five seconds later. This is another tactic used by abusers. Caught unawares of the potential manipulation, it can make the abused feel like the abuser understand and sympathizes with them, fostering trust in the beginning of a toxic relationship. However, in the way Patton is using it, it is used to strip the abused of their autonomy, essentially saying “this is how you feel. I know it, and if you disagree with me you’re lying to yourself and being disobedient”. Now again, is this how Patton means it specifically? Absolutely not, he isn’t an abuser. But it’s a form of manipulation that can’t go ignored. 

Toxic Behavior: emotional manipulation (1)

⭐ (SvS; 5:37) D: “Wrong?” T (unenthusiatically) & P: “Yeah.” P: “Deceit, standing in the spot of one of my four best friends.”

This is another common tactic of manipulation: discrediting. With a simple comment, Patton is attempting to get the other three in the room to instantaneously ignore/disbelieve anything that comes out of Deceit’s (his direct opposition) mouth just after Thomas has decided to tentatively trust him. He goes on to say, “Because Thomas gave his word, but you wouldn’t know anything about that, would you, mister?” This is just another example of the same; Patton is further trying to wedge distrust between Deceit and the others before Deceit can continue to make a valid argument.

⭐ (SvS; 8:24) P: “Basically Deceit is trying to prove that you care more about yourself than  your friends. But don’t worry kiddo, we’ll show him.”

This line is from the moment when they enter the courtroom. As anyone who has watched the video can tell you, that isn’t what Deceit was trying to prove at all. He was just trying to show the main sides and Thomas that he isn’t completely innocent like they love to pretend he is.

Toxic Behavior: discrediting/invalidating (2)

⭐ (SvS; 6:43) P: “Lying is bad enough! Lying to a friend is out of the question!”

Patton is speaking as an absolute authority here. His tone and words broker no discussion at all, not even from the side who literally represents lying, who (in my personal opinion) should be allowed to decide when lying is appropriate. A point I raise in a previous video (seen below the Read More) is that Patton is part of a whole, he should never be able to hold all of the power or claim the right to speak unopposed. Throughout the video he shows controlling tendencies such as these, unwilling to hear (or at least entertain) the opposing argument. 

⭐ (DWIT; 4:40) P: “I’m sorry, but I can’t condone any more of that kind of thinking!”

While Patton may be morality, DWIT clearly showed that he isn’t the best authority on judging the validity of a thought. Granted, as Logan explained, Patton’s views are more than likely influenced by Thomas’ upbringing. Explanations are not excuses however, and this is still toxic behavior.

⭐ (DWIT;  32:46) P: “It’s okay if you sometimes think some icky thoughts, Thomas. You have my permission.”

This one is… Strange and complicated. Firstly, because Patton starts off saying “this may not be necessary”, so he’s aware that he shouldn’t have the control he does. But, on the other hand, he still feels like he needs to say it, and it can be argued that that is because of himself and/or Thomas. So… This one is hard, but I still hold that it shouldn’t have had to be said. Thomas shouldn’t rely so heavily on Patton’s approval.

Toxic Behavior: controlling tendencies (3)

⭐ (SvS; 7:13) P: “What is this wacky talk? You don’t mean this. I’m your morality, I wouldn’t be here if you did.” (anyone remember what a character lie sounds like?)

I’ve seen this video at least 4 times now, but this line always makes me take a shocked step back. The severity of Patton’s reaction completely comes out of left field here. He hears Thomas trying to rationalize the opposing idea, and instead of trying to talk it out as he did in the past, he literally cuts off the conversation and tells Thomas how he thinks/feels. This is a classic abuser tactic, as stated above when I talked about the “excited” line, wherein the abuser strips the abused of autonomy.

Toxic Behavior: invalidation/stripping one of their autonomy (1)

⭐ (SvS; 29:52) D: “…Acting in your own self interest.” P: “That’s wrong!”

This isn’t necessarily a “toxic behavior” in the terms that I’m outlining here in this post, but it is one that the fandom has been talking about since the video dropped: Patton’s black-and-white views leading to Thomas neglecting himself over his friends. Patton said in The Mind VS. The Heart, [in response to Thomas saying he needs to make time for himself] “Oh, of course! I never wanted you to feel like you couldn’t!“, and Thomas later says in Growing Up, ”I can’t go moment to moment doing whatever you want me to do”. These are fairly early videos in the series, and yet it seems that the lessons brought up in said videos were forgotten very quickly (especially since this will, hopefully, be the third time it’s being addressed…). Patton has grown in many ways, but this seems to be the one lesson that won’t stick. In fact, if SvS showed us anything, it’s that Patton’s gotten worse. 

Toxic Behavior: self (or Base((since we aren’t saying host anymore))) neglect (1)

⭐ (DWIT; 18:11) P: “Is Thomas a bad person?”

This quote, coupled with a Toxic Behavior I address in a previous episode down below, actually shows a dangerous polarization of thought towards people called Idealization and Devaluation. Simply put, with this line of thinking, one views people as either perfect, sometimes near godly, or corrupt, dirty, rotten, not-worth-my-time, and there is no in between. With Patton’s reoccurring question of “Is Thomas a bad person?” he shows evidence that this is the case; despite what he may say, he has only ever described Thomas and the other sides as a good/perfect person, or a Bad Person. It’s a toxic mindset that can ruin relationships.

Toxic Behavior: devaluation (and idealization) (1)

So how did we get to this point? Click the read more to find out!

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I don't know if this is a good prompt or not, but which side do you think is most likely to use their position of power to get others to do what they want? My first thoughts were Patton or Roman.

probably patton...i mean man is the ‘heart’ he’d use that to influence everyone’s actions so that it would ‘benefit thomas’(when actually it only benefits him but anywho-)

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as interested as i am in u!sides i'm not particular to any u!side so... which u!side(s) do you think would constantly tell the others to not talk shit but then turn around and talk shit themselves 👀 (i'm sorry if this didn't make sense,,)

easily patton...patton would tell everyone to be nice to each other but would go into one of the sides room and tell that side that another side said this just to cause discourse. homie wants a power dynamic 👁👁

also maybe roman because he has an ego...like no one can talk shit about him but hes allowed to because in his opinion, everyone is imperfect. also ur good it did make sense ^^!!

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haha what if u send in u! sides prompts, headcannons, asks,,,, jk jk,,,unless 👁👁

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...so guess who accidentally went on ‘break’ and is back ‘ish’. medical update we vibin :D! both organs r wack but it’s nothing serious so hell yeah ^^. also got into rottmnt only to find out it got cancelled 👁👁[plz pm me if u watch it i need to scream about the finale]. also my mental health went to the shits, did sum bad things which made me stay offline but yeah we still livin!!! anywho if u want to send sum u!sides prompts go ahead plz im bored and i wanna write sum fucked up shit >:D!!!!

sorry for lack of u!fics my body thought it would b cute if my liver and heart started giving out at the same time so ive been just lazying around, ill try to get some stuff out <3

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sorry for lack of u!fics my body thought it would b cute if my liver and heart started giving out at the same time so ive been just lazying around, ill try to get some stuff out <3

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patton would say/do something that hurts the sides a lot but instead of dealing with it he just says that he loves them and walks away as if that fixes anything

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we shouldn’t tell thomas what videos he can or can’t make but i do b hoping the episode isn’t about virgil 😗✌️

[the photo quality is garbage so here’s what it says

“But I was so caught up in the euphoria of seeing a new TSS video that for like a minute I lived in a world where virgil centric videos didn’t exist.” ]

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lmm is ass and watching him trying to rap next to daveed was second hand embarrassment

People on tumblr when anyone critizises lmm or hamilton: ummmmm if you dont like hamilton just ignore it 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 lmm is an awesome musician and hamilton hated slavery ❤❤❤ i hate tumblr and its cancel culture smhhhh

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im about to mcfucking lose it

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(U!Pat/Roman angst post POF convo ive been thinking about)

Roman: if I’m not Thomas’s hero, what does that make me?

Patton: well, what’s the opposite of a hero?

Roman: a villain, but I can’t be the villain! Dark sides are villains!

Patton: but if Janus was the villain, and is now the hero, what does that mean for you?

Roman: ...but you always told me I was the good twin..

Patton: you heard what Janus said, you two are actually pretty similar!

Roman: ...

Roman: ..maybe I am meant to be the villain

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gfedgegfe I like drawing Pat with this expression idk why

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Did you send me a message or something? Tumblr gave me a notification but then when I clicked on it, it sort of just vanished. Was that you?

yeah i reblogged the one where u tagged stress in my reply about people hating patton and virgil and requested that you untag them, but i then deleted it cuz it not rlly my place to speak ig?? idk if stress would want to see my response, because they made their own response to it and our opinions were pretty much the same so yeah. u can do whatever u want with the post sorry if i worried u or something i should thought about it instead of instantly responding sorry but hope u have good day and again sorry if i worried u ^^.

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OP I OWE YOU MY LIFE

virgil: *continously is a dick to roman by making fun of his dreams, music, ideas, etc*

virgil: i wonder why roman is so insecure