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Decide Mallow and Geno's classpects.

Mallow seems like a Page of Breath or Heir of Rage

Geno is some form of Hope player, as a cursory on his wiki suggests hes from a place known for Granting Wishes. Im not too sure about his class.

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Since you did Leshy, you should go through Inscription and do the Stoat, Stinkbug, and Stunted Wolf. Their true identities would likely put them as the other players besides Leshy in an Inscription session.

Stoat: Thief/Rogue of Space (?)

Stinkbug: Sylph of Time

Stunted Wolf: Seer of Hope or Rage

These godtiers are based on what Ive read up on both forms of these characters.

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Interaction post.

Why do you guys think you are the godtiers that you are?

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anyway enough of all that

media literacy is actually dead these days and no amount of "well no its not dead we can have different opinions" will stop u from being stupid if you straight up critique media on the basis everyones a piece of shit just for writing a villian who acts like a villian who you arent meant to like in the first place

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An example of "if someone writes a shitty person being a shitty person, even if they are an entirely fictional character and creation, that means the writer must condone every shitty action they take!" And this mentality needs to just die already.

Example Is probably Vriska Serket.

What I mean is the Tavros and Vriska incidents. And how I used to see people discuss these two.

Lemme explain.

Basically, I used to see people who havent read homestuck in maybe months or years, blanket statement criticize Homestuck for "using slurs" and "having ableism". Never express or explain the context of the ableism or where the slurs are, they cant even sometimes point to examples. But hold it up as a point against Homestuck as an entire piece of Media entirely. Almost as if it really was just "the times, so humour was different." Aka, as if the usage pf these things were just something INHERENTLY CONDONED BY THE COMIC, always. No matter what. its just "for funnies."

Vriska doing what she did to Tavros for instance. Vriska Serket, a character youre NOT supposed to even be agreeing with, be condoning the actions of, and actually set up to be unlikable on purpose and a massive bitch. We see this in basically everything from her intro to snippets of her before it. You are not meant to enjoy or agree with what Vriska Serket does. And what she does in canon, is Tosses Tavros out of his wheel chair and tells him basically to just stop being a cripple.

Caliborn is also a very strong contender cause hes homophobic, sexist as hell and a complete asshole. Thats also entirely on purpose and you arent meant to like him or agree with him whatsoever. Its made VERY CLEAR you are not meant to condone his actions or his supporters. They are murderers and people who do very dark things for him. Hes based on irrationally stupid rage bait "haters" of homestuck who are just fans who act like they hate it, but are obsessed with it anyways. This was intentional on Hussies part. You are NOT supposed to condone his actions. Hes meant to be absurd.

These characters are ASSHOLES. this was the POINT. of these characters being this way. They are going to be ASSHOLES.

But a lot of people saying "theres [problematic thing] , so the comic is bad." wont actually tell you why theres ableism. or WHERE theres ableism. They just say "theres problamtic stuff in there" and a lot of newer fans tend to just copy and paste the sentiment and dont even think about it twice and run with the idea its all just mocking disabled people or something inherently with it and how its all the messaging hussie was trying to send.

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I think the problem arises when people lose the fact the whole thing is basically a metaphor for growing up and figuring out whats really right or wrong and what you really want once you are an adult.

Its not gonna look like a watered down disney coming of age story. Thats NOT what homestuck is.

I hate to be "that guy" about this sort of thing. But if you want squeaky clean, puritan levels of family fun where nobody says bad words and nobody has anything bad to say ever about another person or towards another person. Homestuck just isnt the place for it.

You see almost every ugly side of just being a kid growing up through a very rough situation and sorting through it while going through shitty situation to shitty situation. with a fun memey package of gaming and older pulp culture references, raunchy or not.

This includes ableism, how people will look down on you, various relationships, mental illnesses, saying dumbshit like sexism and slurs and not even understanding what the fuck youre even really saying, and just being too stupid to fully process what youre saying till its too late - immature spirals of ghosting and hurt feelings among people you thought were partners or friends. Breakups for dumb ass reasons. Doing stupid shit in general as a kid. How important friendships can be when aging and going through milestones and trauma. How trauma can fuck you up and you just wont always turn out to be the good guy after its said and done.

Dave goes on a tirade about only years later hes discovered its not even normal to be used to the smell blood or have swords in his fridge and have the constant fear of abuse looming over him. You understand how devastating reading that was from this punkass kid who freshly turned 16, despite all the dumb sexist shit he said he was literally 12 to 13 years old?

You see tidbits of everything. I never understood why present day fans of homestuck pretend this is somehow strange for any form of media comedic or not to hit on. Or why so many people act weird about these things being portrayed in general.

Is it still a hot take to say its really weird that nobody for a bit there seemed to understand that Andrew Hussie was script writing 13 year old children who would obviously be immature and not "get" the things they are saying entirely contextually but people are still ragging on him for writing 13 years olds acting like immature 13 year olds as though the context is entirely lost on them, as though thats some kind of "gotcha" of hussies entire character?

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Equius may be gone, but she knows they'll meet again someday!

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Yeah they are meant to be somewhat what people assume Nepeta and Equius' relationship is like. When in reality they are just together because Meulin pushed the idea onto Horuss after seeing Nepeta and Equius together. Its meant to be like how the Fanon sees the moiraligence, and its not exactly wrong.

A lot of people DID portray nepeta as weirdly toxic posivity and sunshine + pushier than she is towards Equius in canon, in fan content often.

They also made Equius seem a lot more toxic than he really was towards Nepeta in canon, in fanon as well. I believe forever ago there was a post discussing this issue in depth by someone else and how its often misportrayed that Equius was some kind of control freak over Nepeta, but it corrects it with how Equius is genuinely trying to protect her from the sheningains of the other trolls in the Homestuck plot a lot. Which is very true. Especially when you take into account Equius was primarily trying to ensure Nepeta doesnt get too involved with Vriska (which is obviously pretty damn justified of him) and somehow fanon twisted it into something radically different as a gotcha towards Equius as a character.

Two characters that are always switched around on their personalities fanon vs Canon is very much Meulin and Nepeta.

For Meulin though:

Nobody gets how dark the relationship between Meulin and Kurloz is implied to be based on Meulins Openbounds. Like how its implied its not drugs making her head fuzzy, but rather Kurloz straight up getting rid of her memories and frequently using her and Mituna to do the "Dark Messiahs" work. This is implied by a statement Aranea makes, to be so frequent, that Meulin "casually says things to do with the religious doctrine" and it seems like "shes very secretive about it". Almost like Aranea and others are mistaking the effects of Kurloz doing chucklevoodoos so often on her to the point of imprinting doctrine, for Meulin joining the religion on a surface level. Nobody is fully aware of what Kurloz is doing, and those of the team thatr might, dont care enough to intervene. When in reality, Meulin might not even be fully aware of the things shes saying. Meulin acts like she is suffering from legitimate memory loss only after visiting Kurloz. They are still stoners. However, This is not, and is straight up seen to be, not just "shes getting high on weed". Kurloz explicitly brainwashes her and Mituna, using chucklevoodoos on them both.

Toxic Positivity and signs of other toxic behaviour like dismissiveness towards others wishes no matter how blunt people are being (see: how she interacts with people like Meenah) is seen with Meulin. Theres also something very weird about how Horuss and Meulin interact with eachother. Theres some jokey art about this, but honestly their moirailegence is definitely not healthy either; its clear Horuss is an asshole, and Meulins toxic positivity is something hes doing to keep as a crutch to shove everything hes done away.

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Its always been kinda hard to decipher hussie up until recent ish just cause they've always been pretty jokey and trolling with answering most questions.

People often are confused cause Hussie also has a genuinely weird way of typing/texting too when actually talking to others.

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What I mean by this is way too many people use in-character dialogue to pretend its somehow always going to be a message or behaviour Hussie would agree with if you were to seriously ask him a question or about it.

Is it still a hot take to say its really weird that nobody for a bit there seemed to understand that Andrew Hussie was script writing 13 year old children who would obviously be immature and not "get" the things they are saying entirely contextually but people are still ragging on him for writing 13 years olds acting like immature 13 year olds as though the context is entirely lost on them, as though thats some kind of "gotcha" of hussies entire character?

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like when you are talking about Dave Strider being a dumbass, and how dave was known for saying stupid shit, you understand this was - in the context of this character - pre teen boy who was isolated from a normal homelife, right?

like thats the point

Is it still a hot take to say its really weird that nobody for a bit there seemed to understand that Andrew Hussie was script writing 13 year old children who would obviously be immature and not "get" the things they are saying entirely contextually but people are still ragging on him for writing 13 years olds acting like immature 13 year olds as though the context is entirely lost on them, as though thats some kind of "gotcha" of hussies entire character?

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Is it still a hot take to say its really weird that nobody for a bit there seemed to understand that Andrew Hussie was script writing 13 year old children who would obviously be immature and not "get" the things they are saying entirely contextually but people are still ragging on him for writing 13 years olds acting like immature 13 year olds as though the context is entirely lost on them, as though thats some kind of "gotcha" of hussies entire character?

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More of hussies quote.

I believe they mightve been mentioned far prior in loose regards, but the wiki suggests This Page is when Gamzee uses the word first.

Gamzee is actively using Chucklevoodoos on John, Rose, Dave and Jade throughout their entire lives as the trolls were watching their timelines (this was sometime after Gamzee SNAPS on the meteor, learned the "truth" of the universe, and begin working towards the end goal of awakening Lord English.)

We also know from the new Games & canon homestuck, along side Hussie himself saying so, that chucklevoodoos are exclusive to Purple bloods bloodlines for subjugglators and those of the Mirthful Religion.

"For the subjugglators in their small numbers to keep such a large population under their control, it would be very useful to have the ability to psychically amplify fears through dreams. They may have directed their chucklevoodoos on every susceptible mind in the population. Each lowblood may have a little highblood voodoo doll lurking in their subconscious, making them too terrified to organize any sort of rebellion."

They are an ability made to enduce fear into trolls through their dreams, likely as a means of control. And might even be one of the reasons Sopor slime was made in the first place given this context. As its stated when we start to understand trolls, that basically every troll has horrific rage inducing nightmares that can only subdued by Sopor sleeping pods all trolls sleep inside of and dont use normal beds. The explaination culturally is that Trolls have such a violent and bloodied history that it even proceeds to haunt every descendant and generation of troll, no matter what caste you are, but its worse for high bloods. Highbloods are heightened in recklessness and aggression even with this in mind, making them highly dangerous without the Sopor system in place.

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I believe they mightve been mentioned far prior in loose regards, but the wiki suggests This Page is when Gamzee uses the word first.

Gamzee is actively using Chucklevoodoos on John, Rose, Dave and Jade throughout their entire lives as the trolls were watching their timelines (this was sometime after Gamzee SNAPS on the meteor, learned the "truth" of the universe, and begin working towards the end goal of awakening Lord English.)

We also know from the new Games & canon homestuck, along side Hussie himself saying so, that chucklevoodoos are exclusive to Purple bloods bloodlines for subjugglators and those of the Mirthful Religion.

"For the subjugglators in their small numbers to keep such a large population under their control, it would be very useful to have the ability to psychically amplify fears through dreams. They may have directed their chucklevoodoos on every susceptible mind in the population. Each lowblood may have a little highblood voodoo doll lurking in their subconscious, making them too terrified to organize any sort of rebellion."

They are an ability made to enduce fear into trolls through their dreams, likely as a means of control. And might even be one of the reasons Sopor slime was made in the first place given this context. As its stated when we start to understand trolls, that basically every troll has horrific rage inducing nightmares that can only subdued by Sopor sleeping pods all trolls sleep inside of and dont use normal beds. The explaination culturally is that Trolls have such a violent and bloodied history that it even proceeds to haunt every descendant and generation of troll, no matter what caste you are, but its worse for high bloods. Highbloods are heightened in recklessness and aggression even with this in mind, making them highly dangerous without the Sopor system in place.

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I think one of the few characters people get mostly correct is Porrim. I dont think Ive seen any serious huge fanon mistakes with her before the entire time in this fandom.

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Well in honesty, its not quite fair to say nobody WANTS to intervene with whats going on between those two. Its more like nobody wants to deal with Kurloz.

Even others on his team consider him a creepy bastard. So its likely they dont wanna get involved (pretty fair, given the context)

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Chucklevoodoos are a tricky aspect of homestuck Troll lore. But to put this into more perspective, John, Rose & Dave & Jade are technically ALL subject to Chucklevoodoos, which is why they didnt even notice how they had all the scribblings based on insecurities they had on their walls their whole lives basically.

Best Example I could pull at the moment.

They can absolutely smash persons perception of the world around them and ensure they cant tell whats going on.

Two characters that are always switched around on their personalities fanon vs Canon is very much Meulin and Nepeta.

For Meulin though:

Nobody gets how dark the relationship between Meulin and Kurloz is implied to be based on Meulins Openbounds. Like how its implied its not drugs making her head fuzzy, but rather Kurloz straight up getting rid of her memories and frequently using her and Mituna to do the "Dark Messiahs" work. This is implied by a statement Aranea makes, to be so frequent, that Meulin "casually says things to do with the religious doctrine" and it seems like "shes very secretive about it". Almost like Aranea and others are mistaking the effects of Kurloz doing chucklevoodoos so often on her to the point of imprinting doctrine, for Meulin joining the religion on a surface level. Nobody is fully aware of what Kurloz is doing, and those of the team thatr might, dont care enough to intervene. When in reality, Meulin might not even be fully aware of the things shes saying. Meulin acts like she is suffering from legitimate memory loss only after visiting Kurloz. They are still stoners. However, This is not, and is straight up seen to be, not just "shes getting high on weed". Kurloz explicitly brainwashes her and Mituna, using chucklevoodoos on them both.

Toxic Positivity and signs of other toxic behaviour like dismissiveness towards others wishes no matter how blunt people are being (see: how she interacts with people like Meenah) is seen with Meulin. Theres also something very weird about how Horuss and Meulin interact with eachother. Theres some jokey art about this, but honestly their moirailegence is definitely not healthy either; its clear Horuss is an asshole, and Meulins toxic positivity is something hes doing to keep as a crutch to shove everything hes done away.