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wont be posting anymore

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wanna delete again

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in a liladrien mood again 😮‍💨

lila spends all this energy not trying to become the kind of girl adrien likes (even in a fake way) but instead convince him that her way is right... that lying is fun and gets you what you want and adrien does lie she knows he does if he'd just admit it her way would be validated by mr. 'perfect' they could be together.

&&i want a future au where lila's way didn't work out for her so she's given up but at the same time adrien's not where he wants to be either maybe he got w marinette and broke up w her idk. maybe he finds out his dad is hm and is emo about how 'perfect' he really is since his dad's a villain. whatever the case it's now him tryna push his beliefs on lila and get some kinda validation that if he can change her then he also can change. and they messy

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liking a character for what they have the potential to be even though in canon they’re a lot less faceted that what you want to envision in your head

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i need to stop starting to make posts and then giving up bc everything i have to say abt this show has already been said

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Being "salty" is an expression meaning being grumpy or upset about something, so "salt" kind of references that. In most online fandoms "salt" will mean complaints or negative criticism about something, with the Miraculous Ladybug fandom it often also means character hate/criticism especially. So there can be "ML salt" (hate/criticisms toward the show), "ML fandom salt" (hate/criticisms toward fandom opinions/fanon/etc.) and "(character) salt" (hate/criticisms toward a specific character).

It's an expression used more in these online communities than in normal everyday conversation, so don't worry about not recognising it. I hope this helps you.

What does “salt” (the expression) mean?? Srry, English is not my first language

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I have a way for the 3 moms to make sense just hear me out. So Lila becomes Chrysalis well into adulthood as seen in Timetagger, she also acquired the Peacock during the time skip because Felix needs to stop being a main character. So she creates Timetagger and then sends herself into the past where she adopts herself. Then she and her past self create sentimoms who will also be Lila’s parents when Chrysalis is out doing timeline shenanigans. Three moms that isn’t an absurd logical leap.

I want monetary compensation from zag

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lila is under 18 so she cant be diagnosed w personality disorders please stop

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Being asked why I like Lila is like this-

What I want to say: I relate to her because I've built myself entirely on pleasing other people, since I learned from a young age that it was the only way to avoid being ignored or forgotten. I honestly have no idea who the "real" me is anymore, but I'm too scared of how people will react to me not being as "good" as they thought to even begin exploring who I am. Even though I don't tell lies in the way that Lila does, I recognize the feeling of needing to lie because the potential pain of rejection and isolation is too familiar and terrifying to risk.

What actually comes out of my mouth: No reason. :)) I just think she's got a cool concept. :))))

i felt this even though i don't relate to having a history of lying but rather relating to lila bc i used to think i was better and smarter than everyone around me as a kid... and I know Zoe is there trying to hit a similar kinda vibe but her instantly being forgiven and welcomed into the cast is just not as relatable as a character like Lila who you can interpret as doing what she does to avoid being outcast but if/when she gets exposed it is going to isolate her... And like you said when you lie so much you lose who you are so even if Lila 'wins' (like in this kid's cartoon that's probably not gonna happen) she's already 'lost'. She's wasting her teen years chasing a boy who will never love her at the very least. idk it's fun and interesting to have this 'cry for the devil' reading of her. I just wish it wasn't so controversial haha

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so much of ml is just a waste of time lol

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'i hate felix bc he makes my favourite characters look stupid' lmfao embarrassing

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i just feel like we got so many moments where it vaguely hinted at adrien liking marinette back or ladybug liking chat. and every time it got disproven right away. weredad was all about trashing on the marichat dynamic? adrien smiling at a photo of marinette and kagami could have been hinting at him liking marinette, but instead he goes and dates kagami. ladybug admits that chat's sense of humour is something she likes about him in lies - and then she throws him in a garbage bin for his 'jokes' about their relationship a few episodes later. but w/e enjoy yourselves w ur selective memory there idc

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like it's not like ive never seen a romcom where the pair say theyre just friends or something but the audience knows theyre denying their feelings. i saw hercules w meg singing wont say im in love. n i also know the square r 'endgame' so them using this trope makes sense but they do it so poorly and it sure is a choice to say ppl are stupid for not buying it. that we're stupid for seeing a no as a no 🤡

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every day i see posts w "when adrien says marinette is just a friend he doesn't mean it he's secretly loved her all along and just hasn't realised/accepted it yet" "ladybug secretly loves it when chat noir flirts with her. the ml bible saying she can't stand it is just salt" + some kind of insult toward 'salters'... just saying

ls shippers be like no means yes

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ls shippers be like no means yes

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I think the decision to change felix into adrien because the writers felt that felix wouldn't make a good hero or romantic lead is a good one. like i also think there's a way to make it work, but if the writers don't think they can pull it off then coming up with a new protag is a good idea. it also frees up felix as a character to be introduced later and they can be more flexible with him since he’s a side character. there’s a game i really like called the unavowed where on the developer commentary track the dev talks about doing this exact thing with a character, ‘demoting’ them from playable/protagonist to making them a side character and being able to have more fun with them because of it.

the problem is yeah miraculous ends up being poorly executed and so it’s easy to romanticise what could have been because of it.

The PV was a good concept but the romantic aspect killed it. I would have watched a show with a Felix who's never had friends and has always had to live up to the expectations of his father and likely has some fucked up concepts of how society works thanks to Gabe but Chat Noir gives him insight to a freedom he's never gotten to have before while Marinette tries to befriend him and break down his idea of how things work. He tries to romance Ladybug at first but she ends up becoming his first real friend and he stops wanting to go back to the status quo over time and he genuinely becomes invested in her mission and beliefs.

The selling point of current ML is the lovesquare and Adrien is a better suited deuteragonist for that storyline, but the lovesquare also ruined the potential of the PV because it mightve been great platonically.

i have mixed feelings on the PV . at times i'm mourning what it could've been but i'm more than happy with the felix we actually got and while the execution of ml's current canon is a cautionary tale at this point, the concept has more pros than the PV imo . and i love canon felinette, whether they're besties or worsties or love interests i love to explore them but in the PV context it's kinda ... idk ? felix doesn't belong as The love interest if that makes any sense . not if he was going to seem cold and unapproachable all the time . it's silly but this is one of my favorite concept arts bc felix for once doesn't seem constipated !! look at him

it's just a stupid nitpick of mine but i couldn't put into words why PV felix specifically does not appeal to me . and i loved the cursed ring that brought him bad luck ! but if he was not going to have chemistry with marinette in or out of costume it was doomed to begin with.

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