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vow-upon-a-star · 4 years ago

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Stupidity

It is so clear cleriths do not understand what Cloud’s false identity was. I have seen all of them say “Why does Cloud remember Aerith when he regains his true self if he was Zack” He WASN’T Zack. Nowhere is it ever stated he was Zack. “His facade is him pretending he’s not in love with Aerith” Ok. Why does he have a facade before even meeting Aerith? Why does his facade break down around Tifa when he doesn’t even know her name. Why does he very clearly not want anything to do with Aerith when she’s trying to give him a flower. He still had his facade there huh? And her telling him not to fall in love with her you’d think that’d be the start of this “facade” in which he’s pretending he isn’t. Cloud’s facade exists independently from Aerith. Cloud’s false identity is not because he’s pretending to not be in love with her because she said not to (wtf they actually think this omfg)

Cloud’s facade/false persona was created before the game even started. The Remake ultimania does not confirm he “is pretending not to love Aerith” it’s saying what the past ultimanias have always said. Cloud’s true self only emerges around Tifa, not Aerith, he has a false persona around Aerith and she is acknowledging this. Both in OG with her “I want to meet you” admitting she has not met the real Cloud, and with the Remake in which she says any feelings he may feel towards her wouldn’t be real because he is not truly himself.

Sources:

Enigma of the voice As Cloud is trying to place the bomb, a mysterious voice speaks to him. Later, this same kind of mysterious voice resounds in Cloud’s head in the scene where he and a voice have a conversation, and it offers him reminders. These voices are the original Cloud, as – due to Hojo’s Sephiroth Clones experiment –Zack’s personality merged with his, creating the present day Cloud, producing a conflict of multiple personalities- FF7 Ultimania Omega, pg. 68

When staying at a private house, the mysterious voice echoed inside Cloud’s mind again, asking him why he didn’t see Tifa before leaving to the Mako reactor 5 years ago. In truth, Cloud didn’t want his identity known as a regular trooper/soldier and avoided Tifa, but this memory is sealed. Does the voice trying to awaken him belong to Sephiroth, who made Cloud his puppet? Or is it Cloud trying to return to his original self? – Judging from the dialogue, “It was a great chance for you two to see each other again,” it seems to be the latter. The voice also says things that see through to Cloud’s hidden feelings. -FF7 Ultimania Omega, pg. 110

Cloud had been stricken with Mako poisoning on two separate occasions, once in the 7th Street slum train station, and again in Mideel. Both times it had been Tifa’s voice calling to him that had restored him to consciousness.- FF20th Anniversary Ultimania Vol 2: Scenario pg. 206

Due to the influence of the Jenova cells implanted in his body he acted out a false persona, but with the support of his friends he regains his true self and grows as a person.- FF7 10th anniversary Ultimania, Cloud’s profile pg. 36-41

At first he calls himself “ex-SOLDIER, 1st Class”, and affects a condescending attitude towards the people around him, but this is a false pretence born from Cloud’s own desires. - FF7 10th anniversary Ultimania, Cloud’s profile pg. 36-41

At the age of 16 Cloud was sent on a mission to his hometown of Nibelheim, where Sephiroth went out of control (what is commonly called the “Sephiroth Incident”). Cloud, having suffered heavy injuries during the incident, was injected with cells from Jenova, an extraterrestrial life form. These cells, which Sephiroth also had in his body, controlled Cloud’s thoughts and created a separate personality, and tried to manipulate Cloud into joining with Sephiroth. Even the Meteor crisis was indirectly caused by Cloud having become a puppet to Sephiroth. In FFVII Cloud finally regains his true self and defeats Sephiroth, but this doesn’t mean he’s completely freed from the will of Jenova, and in AC he is tormented by the Remnant’s call for the Reunion.- - FF7 10th anniversary Ultimania, Cloud’s profile pg. 36-41

While still just a grunt, he aims to be in SOLDIER. He strikes up a friendship with Zack, a SOLDIER 1st Class; what influence will he have on Cloud, that would lead to Cloud imitating Zack’s personality - FF7 10th anniversary Ultimania, Cloud’s profile pg. 36-41

What Cloud Inherited from Zack

Under the effect of Jenova’s cells, Cloud mimics his best friend Zack and creates a new persona, but the mental aspects weren’t the only things he received from Zack. - FF7 10th anniversary Ultimania, Cloud’s profile pg. 36-41

Zack’s personality had a heavy influence on the formation of Cloud’s personality when he was under Jenova’s control. -FF7 10th anniversary Ultimania, Zack’s profile pg. 82 - 85

He lost his life trying to escape from the clutches of ShinRa, who had been performing experiments on the bodies of Cloud and himself. Although Zack was already deceased before the start of the story, Cloud confused himself with Zack and in the process of recovering his original self, Zack’s character is also brought to light. -FF7 10th anniversary Ultimania, Zack’s profile pg. 82 - 85

The photo taken with Tifa and Sephiroth prior to the departure to the Mako Reactor. It provided and opportunity to expose the falsehood in Cloud’s memories. -FF7 10th anniversary Ultimania, Zack’s profile pg. 82 - 85

First love Zack Aerith’s first love was Zack, a young SOLDIER 1st Class who she lost contact with 5 years ago. He was Cloud’s best friend, and his personality has had a great influence on Cloud’s behavior. Aerith is unaware that the two were best friends, and takes an interest in Cloud because she sees Zack in him. -pg. 197 of the FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 1: Character

Aerith’s first love is Zack, the object of Cloud’s basic personality of being an “ex-SOLDIER.” . We could say Cloud’s speaking and acting like Zack is a big reason why Aerith started to have good feelings towards Cloud. -pg. 29, FFVII Ultimania Omega

“I’m looking for you."…"So you won’t have a beakdown.” - what Aerith told Cloud had many deep meanings. Aerith detected that the present Cloud is not the real him during their encounters. She knows it because of her mysterious, inherent ability. -pg. 29, FFVII Ultimania Omega (Aerith knows the real Cloud bit cleriths in the ass because in the remake she tells Cloud his feelings aren’t real.)

Jenova’s mimic ability Jenova has a mimic ability which allows it to read the memories and feelings of others, then adjust its appearance, speech and behaviour accordingly to immitate what it has seen. Jenova once used this ability to get close to the Ancients and infect them with its virus, which killed many of them.

This ability is not limited solely to Jenova itself, for those who have its cells within them possess it as well, though in an incomplete form. Immediately prior to the start of the game, when Cloud’s mind was shattered, he ran into Tifa and seemed to immediately return to “normal” (–>P.13); this was because the mimic abilities of the Jenova cells inside Cloud read her mind, seeing her memories of him, which were then combined with his own ideal vision of himself, fashioning a new personality for him. -FF7 Ultimania Omega

Why does Cloud remember Aerith after regaining his true self?

Because the real Cloud was never gone, it was always there trying to regain control. That’s why the voice speaks to Cloud throughout the game in OG, the real Cloud is TRYING to come back. The real Cloud has memories because he wasn’t blacked out throughout disc 1. He’d remember Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge too. His flashbacks in AC also show he has memories Shinra exploding, and has memories of Zack when he was in his mako poisoned comatose state! Tl;Dr

What Cloud’s false persona/facade was/is: A combination of memories and Cloud’s own desires with Zack as a basis–brought about by the Jenova cells in his body. His true self emerges only around Tifa, and Tifa is the one who helps him regain his true self. What Cloud’s false persona/facade is not: Aerith told him not to fall in love with her so he’s putting on a facade that he’s not in love with her.

P.s. As for Maiden and Dismantled, they were both written by a man who was never involved with the development of FF7 or its compilation, and funnily enough cleriths claim Aerith knew the real Cloud but cite Maiden–in which Aerith admits she doesn’t know the real Cloud and can’t help him regain himself. Ironic.

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vow-upon-a-star · 4 years ago

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Giant Cloti quotes post

Here’s pretty much every quote cloti has to support Cloud and Tifa as a pairing.

10th Anniversary Ultimania

She ventured into Lifestream together with Cloud. Amidst the course of him trying to ascertain his memories, they became aware of the thoughts/feelings which each other was holding. -Tifa profile 10th AU.

Apart from being Cloud’s childhood friend, she is also the woman who understands him all too well and devotedly supports the mentally-weak side of him. FF7 10thAU Tifa profile

I want to see Cloud — Marlene’s honest words, which reflected what Tifa felt in her own heart, caused her to smile. The present Tifa isn’t just Cloud’s childhood friend, but also the mother of the ‘family’ they were forming in Edge.- Tifa profile 10th AU.

Tifa, watching over Cloud warmly as he regains the strength to move forward. Having been together with him since they were young, she is able to believe in his recovery for certain. -Tifa profile 10th AU. Seemingly worried about Cloud after he had left the village, she asked the Turk who had saved her whether he knew about him. -Tifa profile 10th AU.

The familiar reminiscence scene from FFVII － She made a promise with Cloud, who had called her to the water tower, that he would “Protect her when she was in a pinch.” -Tifa profile 10th AU.

As to her realizing that “Cloud had rushed over when Tifa was in a pinch” – note that the explanation that “both of them regained the lost memories of that time when they were inside FFVII’s Lifestream” becomes a feasible point. -Tifa profile 10th AU.

In Crisis Core Holding the hope of a reunion in her heart, The young lady who waited for the SOLDIERs. -Tifa profile 10th AU.

When she heard that there would be SOLDIERs coming to the village, she looked forward to being reunited with a Cloud who had became excellent/praiseworthy. However, she was unable to meet with him and though disappointed deep down, she lead the SOLDIERs towards the Nibel Reactor. -Tifa profile 10th AU.

On the request of his childhood friend Tifa, Cloud assists the anti-ShinRa organization “AVALANCHE” led by Barret. -Cloud 10th AU profile.

In Advent Children The happier he is now, The more Cloud is tormented by painful “memories” of the past. -Cloud profile 10th AU.

Now running a delivery business while helping out Tifa with the newly opened “Seventh Heaven” bar, Cloud, Tifa, Marlene and Denzel lived together like a family. -Cloud 10th AU.

The more he realizes how happy he is living with Tifa and the children, the more the fear of losing that and regrets toward the past trouble Cloud… -Cloud profile 10th AU.

With the support of former allies and Tifa, an important woman to him and now also part of his family, Cloud regains the courage to move forward. -Cloud profile 10th AU. (Important woman is written in a romantic sense here. “taisetsu na josei”/”important woman”)

He also meets the Turks again when he is sent to investigate the Nibelheim Mako Reactor, and there are scenes such as him confiding about his promise with Tifa which supplement FFVII. -Cloud profile 10th AU. He explains the situation to the Turks member who knows Tifa and gets them to keep quiet about his return. -Cloud profile 10th AU.

A Promise to Tifa, Etched in his Memory. -Cloud profile 10th AU.

While it was Tifa who strong-armed him into making the promise, it seems that the idea that he must keep this vow was forever in Cloud’s mind. In BC he is obsessive about protecting people, and if he runs out of strength part way though he will mention the “promise.” -Cloud profile 10th AU.

[BC] If he runs out of strength part way through the story, he will say regretfully that he “couldn’t come through on my promise to her.” -Cloud profile 10th AU.

He lifts a collapsed Tifa up in his arms, and upon seeing her aware of him, he smiles gently. -Cloud profile 10th AU.

The place where he awakens—-That is Cloud’s Promised Land

As he sleeps, Cloud hears two voices.

The voices of two people very dear to him, who are no longer with him. Playfully and kindly, they give him a message: he doesn’t belong here yet.When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma— his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realizes where he is meant to live. He realizes that he was able to forgive himself.

And when he turns around—- “she” is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness… And so they too go back to where they belong. - 10th AU ACC playback. (Cloud goes back to Tifa and the children, where he belongs, just as Zack and Aerith go back to the lifestream; back where they belong TOO.)

Aerith lends her power to the people suffering from Geostigma in Edge, and personally provides for Cloud’s recovery. Geostigma is cured. Cloud returns to Tifa and the children. FFVII 10th Anniversary

The line “Words aren’t the only way to talk someone how you feel,” right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game.

Kitase: But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down.

Nojima: The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs).- 10th AU pg.8 to 13

“Before leaving the village, he boldly called to Tifa, a girl he liked romantically, and declared he would become a SOLDIER.”-FF7 10th AU pg. 12

Crisis Core

The only woman who knows Cloud’s past.In FF7, Tifa is the only one who knows Cloud’s childhood, and furthermore, she holds the key to people involved in the story of Nibelheim’s burning down, which is also depicted in CC. She and Cloud came to realize their feelings for each other in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC.- Tifa Crisis Core Ultimania.

[FFVII] Tifa becomes the only witness to Cloud’s blurry memory, and she also plays an important role in regaining his true self. - Tifa Crisis Core Ultimania.

Cloud and Tifa

Cloud and Tifa are childhood friends, both born in Nibelheim. When Cloud leaves the village, he calls Tifa out to the water tower and promises that he will become a SOLDIER. At the same time, he is also made by Tifa to promise that he will come to rescue her if she is ever in trouble.Following this, the pair experience many hardships, such as the Nibelheim incident which also appears in CC, and the Jenova War in FFVII, and through these the distance between them shortens. And in AC they live together, with Barret’s daughter Marlene and a boy named Denzel. Though there was also a period later where Cloud lived away from them after having contracted Geostigma, they finally reach a commune with each over and return to living together once again. In DC, they rush together to Vincent’s aid, in his battle against Deep Ground SOLDIER.- Crisis Core Complete Guide.

Water Tower

The water tower erected in the center of Nibelheim. The large wooden cask catches rain water, and filters it to supply the townspeople with water to use in their daily lives. In the game, it is counted as one of the 7 Wonders of Nibelheim, as a place where the water runs red, due to the color of a red summon materia that was in the tower seeping into the water.Also, the tower at night appears to be a date spot for the town’s young residents, and Cloud had also called Tifa out here and talked to her before leaving Nibelheim for Midgar. -Crisis Core Complete Guide.

The Highwind Scene

VII – The night before the final battle Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, without using words, he confirms with her that their feelings match. - For the One I love pg 20th AU.

The script for the High Affection scene the only one present in Impressive scenes.

Their Time Alone ~Before the final battle with Sephiroth Tifa: “Everyone’s gone…” Cloud: “Yeah, we don’t have anywhere or anyone to go home to.” Tifa: “You’re right… But… I’m sure someday… they’ll come back, don’t you think?” Cloud: “Hmm… I wonder…? Everyone has an irreplaceable something they’re holding on to… But this time, our opponent…” Tifa: “Hmm… But that’s all right, even if no one comes back. As long as I’m with you… As long as you’re by my side… I won’t give up even if I’m scared.” Cloud: “……Tifa……” Tifa: “No matter how close we are… We were far apart… before this. But when we were in the Lifestream surrounded by all those screams of anguish, I thought I heard your voice… …sniff…. you probably don’t remember this… But deep in my heart I heard you calling my name… Or at least I thought I did…” Cloud: “Yeah… At that time I heard you calling me. You were calling me back from the stream of consciousness in the Lifestream. After all, I promised. That if anything were to ever happen to you, I would come to help.” Tifa: “Cloud…? Do you think the stars can hear us? Do you think they see how hard we’re fighting for them?” Cloud: “I dunno… But… Whether they are or not, we still have to do what we can. And believe in ourselves… I’ll find the answer someday. Right, Tifa? That’s what I learned from you when I was in the Lifestream.” Tifa: “Yeah…… that’s right…” Cloud: “Hey Tifa…… I…… There are a lot of things I wanted to talk to you about. But now that we’re together like this, I don’t know what I really wanted to say… I guess nothing’s changed at all… Kind of makes you want to laugh…” Tifa: “Cloud… Words aren’t the only thing that tell people what you’re thinking…”

“Declares that the team should dissolve in the final hours before the final battle, and communicates his feelings together with Tifa, who remains behind at the airship with him.”- FF7 Ultimania Omega pg. 15

“When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud. ”- FF7 Ultimania Omega pg. 27

If Tifa’s affection regarding Cloud is high, when the two stay behind at the airship, they will confirm that their feelings of desire/wanting for one another match.“- Final Fantasy 7 Ultimania Omega pg 27.

“When their companions disperse to the places where people important to them await, Cloud and Tifa are the only two to remain behind. They reveal their mutual feelings in their final hours, and…….”- FF7 Ultimania Omega pg. 198

“Cloud and Tifa, who remain, reveal their feelings for each other and confirm them to match.”- FF7 10th AU pg. 118; pg. 120 Revised Edition.

“And when Cloud and Tifa remain behind alone, in their final hours, they disclose that their feelings for each other match.”- U20 Scenerio pg. 232. main body summary.

“VII - The night before the final battle Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, without using words, he confirms with her that their feelings match.”- U20 Scenerio pg. 394

“When Cloud proposes that the group separates temporarily, she remains behind at the airship and communicates her feelings together with Cloud. The next morning, she departs for the Northern Crater along with her companions, who returned 'Words aren’t the only thing that tell people what you’re thinking……’ -Said to Cloud, when he is at a loss for words while they’re alone. If Tifa’s affection regarding Cloud is high, when the two stay behind at the airship, they will confirm their matching feelings of desire/wanting to one another. This line is said by Tifa at the conversation’s end. Immediately after saying it, Tifa forms a striking smile that summarizes everything." - FF7 Ultimania Omega pg. 27 complete entry.

”Yuffie is unaware that Cloud and Tifa had just spent the night together. Woman’s intuition is as perceptive as ever, no?“- FF7 Ultimania Omega. pg. 39

"Night before the final battle…… After stopping Hojo’s recklessness and before heading to the Northern Crater, the conversation scene with Tifa can diverge drastically depending on Tifa’s affection rating. When the affection rating is low, the conversation scene where the two spend the evening is candid and rather short. In the scene on the bridge the next morning, Tifa asks ‘Were you listening?’ and taps her foot. On the other hand, if the affection rating is high, the two spend the evening in focused conversation, and on the bridge, Tifa asks ‘Were you watching?’ and collapses in embarassment.”- FF7 UO Pg. 198

[Screenshot caption]“Before the final battle…… Variations determined by Tifa’s affection rating apply from the beginning of the evening with Cloud and Tifa on the grassland until the conversation where they reunite with their companions on the airship. If the affection rating is high, Cloud and Tifa convey their feelings in powerful lines.[Screenshot caption] Upon returning to the airship, Yuffie will say 'Gee, Cloud…… that’s so nice of you to say that. ……You sick?’ regardless of the contents of the conversation of Cloud’s conversation.”- FF7 Ultimania Omega pg. 201.

(FFVII International Memorial Album, pp. 241-242) [Script of high affection version of the Highwind scene the only one included in script of the game]

“Words aren’t the only thing that tell people what you’re thinking…”Prairie: The last night before the final battle, to Cloud when he finds himself at a loss for words Caption: For many years, Cloud and Tifa have been holding favor for one another. At last facing the impending final battle with Sephiroth, they confirm together their feelings of desire towards one another-Tifa’s memorial words FF 25th Anniversary Ultimania.( The word for favor is koui, which mean romantic favor)

The Fateful Night the Two Share An event near the time of the final battle with Sephiroth, where Cloud and Tifa stay at the airship Highwind together. With this possibly being the end — an evening overcome with a flood of feelings becomes something special. - 25th Anniversary Tifa’s memorial scene.

At this point the claim “Cloti is a myth” becomes even more laughable than it already was.

Omg…this is gonna be such a long ass post….

Creator comments.

Nojima explains, “Inside, I felt one thing was for sure: Cloud and Tifa would be together. Everybody would be back home where they belonged. Two years is too short to forget the past completely, but it’s still a pretty long time… And two years older was a good age for Marlene to start talking a little.” The reason Nojima narrowed the location down to the area surrounding their house, he says, was to create a sense of crisis close to home.

Cloud tried to move on once…but he was hurt by the losses he experienced in the battles he fought in the game story. even after all of that he still found a peaceful life. and that made him scared. he lost it all once already and he could lose it all again. even though he was there he couldn’t do anything to prevent it the last time. so the happier he is, the more lonely he becomes. - nomura : distance.

—Were there two heroines from the outset?Nomura:

No, originally there was only Aerith, and Tifa was added as another heroine later. To make up for Aerith dying, we needed a heroine who would be by the hero’s side until the end.- Nomura. FF7 15th anniversary famitsu interview.

“Nojima: Cloud never had a candid personality to begin with, and although he started living with Tifa and even started working, he obtained a peaceful living he’s never experienced before, and this conversely made him anxious. And in the midst of this he contracts Geostigma himself, and rather than being able to protect the people dear to him, he instead was forced to face his own death, and so ran away.”- Nojima, AC prologue.

“There are many dimensions to Tifa’s character. She’s like a mother, a sweetheart [koibito], and a close ally in battle“- Nomura. FF7 reunion file book pg. 19

“In Nojima’s scenario, the connection between Cloud and Tifa was discussed more concretely, but I chose to erase that. I thought it would be more interesting for players to think about it instead. For example, with the meaning that ‘if Sephiroth is Cloud’s darkness, then Tifa is his light,’ one may take the understanding that Tifa isn’t human. It may be because Tifa isn’t human that she doesn’t talk with anyone but Sora’s group. Of course, since she was also presented in a way where she could be seen as a resident of Hollow Bastion like Cid, Aerith and the others, I think one can freely ponder that.” Nomura pg 724 KH2 ultimania

Other quotes

These are multiple from scattered sources.

Deep inside Cloud’s heart, feelings were hidden that no one knew about. Even though there were important memories to himself, many of them were forgotten. In the process of looking for the real Cloud, Tifa learns a lesson about the complexity of the human heart, and the feelings are earnestly transmitted. -FF7 Ultimania Omega pg. 27

Tifa, who from 2 years ago has been the only one Cloud opened his heart to. Now he has closed off his heart even from her. -pg. 21 advent children prologue book

His adamant will reaches the throne of Cosmos. Cosmos rescues Cloud after he is defeated by Chaos and on the verge of disappearing. Ironically, that whom he set out to protect sacrificed herself to protect him. Cloud’s Character Museum - Dissidia Duodecim

Promise on the Water Tower The memory of Cloud and Tifa exchanging promises on the water tower 7 years ago has a vital significance when searching for “Cloud’s true self” in the Lifestream. Also, the promise to “come to Tifa’s rescue if she is in trouble” forms the reason for Cloud assisting AVALANCHE in this scene, but he has in fact already fulfilled this promise 5 years ago in the Nibel mako reactor.FF7 Ultimania Omega Page 71

Tifa meets Cloud in Nibelheim during the events of Crisis Core and their friendship carries over to Tifa has always liked Cloud and enjoys helping him restore his memory when they reunite in Final Fantasy VII. She ultimately lets her feelings be known near the end of Final Fantasy VII and the two can be seen living together during the events of Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.- Tifa profile pg. 11 Official Crisis Core strategy Guide.

Tifa is a young girl in Nibelheim who is hired as a guide to lead Sephiroth and Zack to the mako excavation facility. She is not a fan of ShinRa and, although she admits to desiring a blonde-haired soldier operative for a boyfriend, she does not have a lot of nice things to say about soldier.- Tifa profile pg.11 Official Crisis Core Guide.

“Words aren’t the only way to convey for feelings”- Tifa secret audio in Dissidia Duodecim.

A member of the anti-Shirna organization AVALANCHE, and Cloud’s childhood friend. She is the only person who knows his past, and the one person who understands him. In the previous battle, she supported Cloud not only in battle but also mentally, and at the final stages of their fight was a great help to him. -Tifa Dengeki Profile.

She gives encouragement to Cloud, who is unable to shake off his doubts, and creates the catalyst for him to regain the will to fight -Tifa Dengeki profile.

But after reuniting with her childhood friend Cloud, she sets out with him on a journey in pursuit of Sephiroth. She continued to support him at all times, such as when Cloud fell into the Lifestream, and she devotedly nursed over him. -Tifa Dengeki profile.

At the end of a long struggle, she gently welcomes back Cloud on his return home after settling things with himself. -Tifa Dengeki profile.

[FFVII] Previously, Cloud had promised Tifa that he would “protect her if she were in a bind.” Perhaps this promised has been her long-standing support.- Tifa Dengeki profile.

“A member of AVALANCHE, an anti-Shinra group that takes extreme measures to defy the company, and the popular proprietress of the bar 7th Heaven. She is a kind and motherly woman, while also being a proficient martial artist. Her lively personality belies an introverted nature and hides her love for her childhood friend Cloud.” - Tifa’s Theatre rhythm profile.

“A member of AVALANCHE and a childhood friend of Cloud’s. She boasts hand-to-hand fighting skills that can put a man to shame, but she’s actually an introvert. She has a soft spot for Cloud.“- Tifa’s description Final Fantasy record keeper.

Even though Cloud was holding feelings for Tifa from some time ago, Tifa’s interest in Cloud did not start until the time when the promised was exchanged. It might have been her loneliness due to her surrounding friends leaving one after another, but more than that, it seems largely in part to him making the promise to become her hero.By the way, Tifa did not realize that Cloud was holding feelings for her until he informed her in the Lifestream. Even though she was called and it was just the two of them, she can be quite clueless. -FF7 Ultimania Omega pg 25.

Cloud: ….a sealed up secret…… wish…… Tender memories…… no one can ever know…

The True Wish Revealed “As a young child, Cloud was rebellious and isolated from those around his age, so he would try to convince himself that he was special. As such, Tifa was important to him. A slight young love/childhood awakening of love is revealed in the mental world - FF7 25th AU.

To Tifa, Cloud is the only one through which she can get in touch with her past. He is her ideal love and his existence is also like a prince who promised to come to her rescue when she is in trouble.- Tifa profile AC prologue

For the sake of helping Tifa, Cloud disguises himself as a woman at Aerith’s suggestion. That in mind, the dialogue options when he’s picked as Corneo’s companion are really amusing.- FF7 UO

“In the past you’ve always looked after me. You, and Denzel and Tifa. You were there whenever I needed you.Well, now… it’s my turn.”-Cloud to Marlene-Cloud to Marlene, FFVII: Advent Children Complete

As a small boy, he didn’t get along with others apart from Tifa. So when Tifa’s mother died and three of her friends decided to take her up the mountains where the dead were believed to go, Cloud wasn’t invited. But even so, Cloud secretly went after them wanting to cheer Tifa up-Cloud profile AC prologue.

Tifa hardens her resolve as they head toward the final battle, but she is unable to suppress her fear. On the bridge of the airship, she says to Cloud, “Would you tell me ‘It’s all right’?” Although Tifa is forlorn and somewhat childish here, when Cloud tells Tifa “It’s all right,” it is heartwarming.- Ultimania Omega

Sephiroth—I don’t get him at all.Is everyone in SOLDIER like him? Oh, andare there any blond guys in SOLDIER? Well,it’s just a dream… Any girl would love to have ablond SOLDIER guy protect her when she’s in a pinch.Well, it’s no good just waiting for myblond knight in shining armor to show up,so I’ve started learning how to fight, myself.My teacher tells me I’ve got a knack for it. - Tifa’s text message to Zack, Crisis Core.

Quotes from in game and Case of Tifa.

Tifa Cloud! Please don’t die! You can’t die! There’s still so much I want to tell you!

Cloud I know, Tifa……

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Tifa Cloud, we came this far… Aren’t you going to settle up with Sephiroth?Cloud (shaking his head) No… I’m afraid. If this keeps up, I may go crazy! I’m afraid…

Barret Just a damn jackass, that’s what you are… Yo, jes’ think about it… How many people in this world do ya think really understand themselves? People get depressed in life because they don’t know what’s up. But, they go on living. They don’t run away… Isn’t that how it is?(He walks out of the room.)

Tifa Cloud… you’ll come with us, right? I believe in you.

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Cloud ……I was really surprised with Tifa.

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Tifa ……… Cloud…? How bad was I when Sephiroth cut me?

Cloud I thought you were a goner. ……I was really sad.

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Cloud Why are you so scared? Don’t worry about me. I’m all right. No matter how confused I am, I’ll never believe a word that Sephiroth says. It’s true that sometimes I can’t figure out who I am. There’s a lot of things muddled up in my memories. But, Tifa…… But you said, 'Long time no see, Cloud’ right? Those words will always support me. I am the one you grew up with. I’m Cloud of Nibelheim. No matter how much I lose faith in myself, that is the truth. That’s why you shouldn’t be so scared. No matter what anyone else says to me, it’s your attitude that counts…

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Cloud That starry night at the well…… And our promise that night… What if the memory was just a lie?

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Cloud ……I was devastated. ……I wanted to be noticed. I thought if I got stronger I could get someone to notice……

Tifa Someone to notice you…? ……who?

Who……? ……You know who! ……You, that’s who.

Cloud You……

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Tifa Oh, Cloud……! It’s really you, isn’t it?

Cloud Yeah…… Tifa…… We finally…… meet again……

…

However, Cloud beside her chose to smile gently. It was a smile that she hadn’t seen before during their journey. Cloud noticed her gaze and asked, “What’s wrong?”

“Cloud, you’re smiling.”

“I am?”

“Yeah.”

“It all starts now. A new…”

Cloud looked for the right words.

“A new life.”

“I’m going to live. I think that’s the only way I can be forgiven. All sorts of things… happened.”

“That’s right…”

“But when I think about how many times I’ve thought about how I was going to start a new life, it’s funny.”

“Why?”

“Because I’ve always failed everything.”

“That’s not funny.”

“After this … I think I’ll be okay.”

Cloud was silent for a long time before he spoke again.

“Because I have you this time.”

“You’ve always had me.”

“What I mean is kind of different,” Cloud answered with another smile.

…

“And where do we have something like that?”

“We’ll find one.” Cloud looked at Tifa and said,

“Right?”

…

When Tifa and Cloud were alone, Cloud said, “It’s not like you to be troubled by your thoughts.”

“It’s… Just the way I am.”

“No. You’re much more cheerful and strong. If you’ve forgotten the way you were then, I’ll be there to remind you.”

“You really will?”

“Probably,” Cloud said blushing.

…

Tifa couldn’t answer right away. She understood what Barret was saying. But opening up a store felt like going back to the times of AVALANCHE. Cloud spoke up.

“Tifa, lets give it a go. If it gets too tough, we’ll just quit.”

…

At the same time, Tifa also thought, he is pushing himself too hard for me.

…

“Where are you going?”

“How should I say this…”

Cloud told her how there had many times when he was asked to deliver something while coming back with supplies. The caller was one of the store owners who shared some of his vegetables with them. It seemed there was something that he wanted Cloud to deliver before the night was over by all means. Cloud gazed at Tifa like a kid who just had his secrets revealed.

“Why are you looking at me like that?”

“Well… I’m sorry I kept quiet about it.”

“About what?”

“Doing things without consulting.”

Tifa burst out in laughter. Cloud went on about how he got paid a little for delivering items. He explained to her how he felt guilty spending it all on the modifications for the bike.

Itadaki Street Scripts

Cloud: Tifa is wonderful. I, too, want to become strong. Aerith: Cloud has been yearning/longing for Tifa… or Cloud: Tifa is amazing… I wanna be stronger… as well Aerith: You look up to Tifa a lot, don’t you Cloud?

Aerith: Tifa will make a good wife~ Cloud: I wonder who… Tifa likes?

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Cloud: Sorry Tifa… Even though I’m on the edge I can’t keep the promise Aerith: Hm? Hmm? What is this promise you talk of?

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Cloud: What…? Or I should say I wasn’t listening

Aerith: Tifa’s amazing isn’t she! Right, Cloud? Aerith: Come on Cloud… you have to say something to her Cloud: …I’m not good at it

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By tracing his past and accepting the fact that he had been turning a blind eye to it, Cloud finally regained his true self. Now, in the truest sense of the word, he has been reunited with Tifa.- FF7 Ultimania Omega pg. 15 Cloud’s profile.

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vow-upon-a-star · 5 years ago

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#cloti #cloud strife #tifa lockhart #ff7r #ff7 #cloti quote

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vow-upon-a-star · 5 years ago

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They symbolize reunion.

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vow-upon-a-star · 5 years ago

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‘Course she did.

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vow-upon-a-star · 5 years ago

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It all connects…to Nibelheim?

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Cloti + Warm tones

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Tifa’s Conscience

Since 1997 Tifa Lockhart has remained popular and relevant. Despite being a character from a JRPG released in the 90s, Tifa’s character has not become dated and no one needs to view her as “the context of the time.”�� The reason for Tifa’s timeless-ness is her complexity as a character that kept her iconic and listed as one of the most influential female characters in gaming’s infant years. One of, if not the most important, aspect of Tifa’s character that gives her such depth and complexity is her conscience. Tifa grew up in the country, from a backwater mountain village that was a close-nit community. At the age of 15, two 1st class soldiers were deployed to Nibelheim to check the reactor and Tifa acted as their guide. One week after their arrival, the entire village was massacred and set on fire by The Great War Hero Sephiroth who murdered Tifa’s father. Consumed with grief and hatred for the corporation that has taken everything from her, she attacks Sephiroth and sustains grievous wounds and drifted between life and death. Zangan carried her to Midgar, keeping her from death by casting Cure on her repeatedly until he could get her proper medical care. Tifa is a 15 years old country girl in a large city across the ocean from her home with nothing but the literal clothes on her back. Consumed with grief and hatred, she joins Avalanche and follows Barret Wallace’s manifesto. Despite breaking off from the main branch and following Barret’s more extremist attitude, she doesn’t support the bombings. Like she tells Cloud, she feels trapped. She hates Shinra, and knows if they want to make a difference, want to change things, that they need to take drastic measures–but not like this. Tifa is torn. Tifa is the only one in Barret’s group to feel any form of regret or hesitation. Despite her grief and hatred, it hasn’t stripped her of her humanity and love for her fellow man. Tifa goes on the next bombing mission, and decides to save the life of a Shinra employee who doesn’t understand why she’s trying to save his life. After all, she’s a terrorist right? Shinra is her sworn enemy right? (according to Shinra propaganda) And yet…Tifa does this, much to the middle manager’s confusion.

Now this segues into the next part of Tifa’s complexity. Dehumanization. Now, dehumanization has been used many times in human history. What it is:

Examples in our real world history would be slavery in which black slaves were not viewed as human beings. There are MANY examples of it in history and dehumanization still happens to this very day, but I digress. Back on point.

The reason the middle manager is so shocked at Tifa saving his life is because of Shinra propaganda painting Avalanche as heartless terrorists seeking to destroy everyone’s way of life. Shinra paints Avalanche as inhuman monsters, turning citizens against Avalanche and controlling the narrative that Shinra is the innocent power company just trying to supply comfort to the people of Midgar, while Avalanche are the monsters trying to destroy it. The middle manager sees this young woman who is supposed to be an inhumane monster terrorist whose only goal is to destroy anything Shinra, but she is actively trying to save his life. Shinra’s propaganda led to him to dehumanize her, and it is this scene where he sees she’s a person. Not a monster. Just as Shinra spread propaganda to dehumanize Avalanche, Barret’s hatred caused him to dehumanize Shinra. Tifa never fully dehumanized Shinra, as shown with the middle manager. When his life was in danger, it didn’t matter to her, what mattered was human life–and she saw him as a human life. When Shinra drops the plate on 50,000 people and blames Avalanche, Tifa takes accountability for it. Tifa acknowledges that they pushed Shinra, while Barret does the opposite. Both in OG and the remake, Barret places the blame on Shinra while Tifa does some introspection. Barret encourages Tifa to hold on to her hatred and use it against Shinra. Tifa is angry at Shinra, but she’s angry at herself too. What Shinra did was deplorable, but Tifa recognizes that it was Avalanche that pushed them. When in the Shinra building, we see Tifa viewing the employees as people just like her. People with loved ones just trying to get by. Even after Shinra took everything from her twice she hasn’t fully dehumanized them.

She even recognizes that she has dehumanized them to an extent. She knows it’s not a revelation that normal people with loved ones work for Shinra, but remarks that it’s easy to forget because of all that Shinra has done and taken from her.

Now, what Barret says to her doesn’t ease her guilt about the plate drop…in fact, it makes her feel worse.

Tifa looks down and away when she answers. What Barret said applies to all of them. Barret’s speech is about taking personal responsibility, something Tifa is doing. Barret is essentially saying a good person can do bad things and work for something evil, and can only be redeemed when they recognize their own involvement and accept that they did something shitty–that is the only way they can be redeemed for their wrong-doings. He’s talking about Shinra and all the employees, but Tifa applies it to herself. Tifa is a good person who never supported the bombings yet still stayed loyal to Barret and even went on a bombing run herself. Tifa held the detonator on that bombing mission. Tifa is a good person doing a bad thing she doesn’t even support, and she is recognizing her own complicity in the plate drop.

It’s very similar to what Aerith says about Rude. Aerith says that Rude isn’t a bad person, to which he agrees but he then states he sometimes has to do bad things. Tifa isn’t a bad person, but she did some bad things and in CoT we see her not only recognizing her own complicity but also accepting it. After all, only by recognizing and accepting ones own complicity is how one is redeemed.

This is where she finally accepts it, and this is when she is able to move on and redeem herself. Tifa was caught up in her own hatred that she lost sight of what was important. However, she never fully lost herself, that empathy and compassion never disappeared and even when consumed with hatred could never fully dehumanize Shinra. Tifa is a complex woman who has been in conflict with herself–which is another reason why she is so complex and a well-written character. Expect another Tifa essay covering Tifa’s inner conflict and her development as she overcomes it.

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