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wildd-prats · 9 months ago

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⭕️❗️okay I gotta say something because this has wormed itself into my brain and I will not be able to sleep if I don’t talk about it

I think the issues and hate surrounding the radqueer community mostly come from a confusion between “all identities are valid” and “all behaviour (related to valid identities) is valid”

Like for example, the difference between identifying as transharmful(I also have thoughts about this transx format but that’s a different conversation), and wanting to “transition” by harming someone. I, as a killer sans fictive, could be considered transharmful because of my pseudo memories of harming people, and I don’t think it’s bad to see that as a fully valid part of my identity. But obviously the behaviour of harming someone else to try to turn that internal experience into an external one should never be encouraged.

(This is one reason I think the transx format for these labels isn’t great, because the word trans is obviously strongly associated with transgender people which is an issue because physical transition is often necessary for transgender people’s health, whereas physical transition for most trans ids is not a realistic or healthy goal. Of course there is also social transition, but generally when people hear transition they think of physical transition. It would be better to use different terminology that doesn’t have those associations, similarly to how therian and otherkin communities have their own terminology even though their experiences can be similar.)

I think the radqueer community’s trash reputation is probably the result of a lot of trolls pretending to genuinely be radqueer supporting horrible things, misguided people who have genuinely good intentions but the way they approach or present things is bad and/or makes them look really bad, and then people with good intentions and a good approach that don’t get talked about because they are inoffensive and outsiders just want drama.

I think there’s a lot of young and neurodivergent people in both of the more genuine catagories, and that probably contributes to these issues.

Overall I think the radqueer community is a “good idea, bad execution” kind of thing. I think there are ways to do “all good faith identities are valid” right, but between the bad reputation and the many issues within the community itself(again, I think mostly the identities vs identities and behaviours thing), I don’t think the term “radqueer” is really viable anymore and it’s probably best for people with genuine intentions to find similar terms and communities that don’t have those issues.

This is all based on what I’ve seen on Tumblr in like.. the last two months or so (we literally never heard of radqueer before we started using Tumblr more recently) of seeing “radqueers dni” in 90% of ppls intros and having no idea why. So we looked up definitions, tried to look at the actual radqueer community, and arguments for and against a bunch of radqueer related stuff. We are absolutely not an expert on this stuff, this is just the little scraps we’ve finally started piecing together to start to maybe understand some of this. There’s a good chance we’re totally wrong, and we’re open to being corrected on stuff.

I also wanna add another note here though, I think the hate towards radqueers is massively disproportionate. From what I’ve seen the radqueer community is really small, and 90% of the posts I’ve seen related to it are just coining posts for obscure terms. Not exactly something I would think would be worth being so well known and so intensely hated. We all know the internet has weird stuff on it, I don’t know why this particular category of weird is considered so much more important than the others.

Damnit this is way longer than it was supposed to be. I’m just gonna stop here and try to sleep now. I jumped around a lot while writing this so there might be a lot of mistakes and confusing stuff.. yeah I’m just gonna try to sleep though.

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wildd-prats · 9 months ago

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I fucking hate the radqueer shit. Nobody is saying kids can't explore their sexuality. We're saying they shouldn't be sexual with adults who are undeniably taking advantage of them. Adults are using them. You aren't fooling anybody.

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wildd-prats · 9 months ago

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abusers should never have flags because flags are used to show your pride and you should never be proud of abusing someone. Fuck you. You may be anti radqueer, but you certainly support the same things as them. <3

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wildd-prats · 9 months ago

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The time has come for that goddamn stochastic terrorism post and how radqueer beliefs remind me of it.

Background that is important to understanding me and why these two things are similar to me:

I was groomed into the alt-right pipeline at eleven years old up until I was 18. Someone in my life to this day took advantage of my trauma and groomed me into political views as a child to weaponize me against my liberal rapist. I'm still having to unpack the trauma of that experience and how that harmed me, as well as often facing abuse now for being a leftist. I knew all the big names at the time and looked up to them as heroes, and was encouraged. Hell, I've been on 4chan and luckily got out of that after realizing I was queer/my complete split from the original and deconverting from fundamentalist christianity.

What is "stochastic terrorism"?

Here's a video on PewDiePie and the pipeline his content creates to the alt-right and fascism, that has a section on it:

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If you aren't going to watch it:

Stochastic terrorism is a form of terrorism that does not have a singular figurehead but instead relies on peer radicalization to move a person through the pipeline by making ideas gradually more acceptable due to a lack of direct calls to violence. It's pretty much the "long game" type of terrorism- radicalization over a longer period of time through communities that often believe themselves to be "just trolling." There are no direct orders for calls to action, which allows plausible deniability for stochastic terrorists not one person to be personally at fault and unable to be blamed for encouraging someone to go farther in the pipeline.

The pipeline itself is one that furthers someone up the levels of the pyramid of violence. (The video has more of a person-focused pyramid diagram, while the one below mentions systemic discrimination.)

[Image ID: An image of the ADL's Pyramid of Hate diagram on a white background. The blue text above a blue horizontal divider read:

"ADL Pyramid of Hate"

The text beneath the divider reads:

"The Pyramid of Hate illustrates the prevalence of bias, hate and oppression in our society. It is organized in escalating levels of attitudes and behavior that grow in complexity from bottom to top. Like a pyramid, the upper levels are supported by the lower levels; unlike a pyramid, the levels are not built consecutively or to demonstrate a ranking of each level. Bias at each level reflects a system of oppression that negatively impacts individuals, institutions and society. Unchecked bias can become “normalized” and contribute to a pattern of accepting discrimination, violence and injustice in society. While every biased attitude or act does not lead to genocide, genocide takes place within a system of oppression in which the attitudes and actions described at the lower levels of the pyramid are accepted. When we challenge those biased attitudes and behaviors in ourselves, others and institutions, we can interrupt the escalation of bias and make it more difficult for discrimination and hate to flourish."

Below that text is a diagram of a pyramid with five ascending sections. The base level of the pyramid is purple, and reads:

"Biased Attitudes"

To the right of the pyramid is text that explains that level, which reads:

"Stereotyping, Fear of differences, Justifying biases by seeking out like-minded people, Seeking out information to confirm one’s existing beliefs and/or biases, Lack of self-reflection or awareness of privilege"

The next level up is blue and reads:

"Acts of Bias"

The text to the right for this level reads:

"Non-inclusive language, Insensitive remarks, Microaggressions, Biased and belittling jokes, Cultural appropriation, Social avoidance and/or exclusion, Name-calling, Ridicule, Bullying, Slurs and epithets, Dehumanization"

The next level up is green and reads:

"Systemic Discrimination"

The text to the right reads:

"Criminal justice disparities, Inequitable school resource distribution, Housing segregation, Inequitable employment opportunities, Wage disparities, Voter restrictions and suppression, Unequal media representation"

The next level up is orange, and reads:

"Bias-Motivated Violence"

The text to the right reads:

"Threats, Desecration, Vandalism, Arson, Assault, Rape, Murder, Terrorism"

The last level at the top is red, and reads:

"Genocide"

The text to the right reads:

"The act or intent to deliberately and systematically annihilate an entire people"

End ID.]

The ADL (Anti-Defamation League, for those who may not know) has a lesson on this pyramid at the link below.

The whole point of stochastic terrorism is to gradually get people from one level to the next up, and unless stopped, it can end in genocide and people who support it without any verbal calls to action.

Right now, some very important radqueer traits heavily remind me of my alt-right days, and specifically make me think of how dangerous this can be for anyone, not just minors.

From what I see, radqueers are on the second level of the pyramid, and do contribute to the third level with their treatment of minorities that try to intercept them and pull them out of the pipeline by telling them that their behavior is harmful to minorities.

Part the first- Term hijacking and theft:

Want to know what?

"Trans-Nazi" is not a radqueer term. It's been used in 2012- over an entire decade ago. Neither is "transnazi" as a term either. That comes from 4chan.

I found it here while looking for a tumblr coining post, thinking it was a new term:

This post? Written by a transwoman and the "Trans-Nazis" are described as not respecting transgender people who do not pass or have not had surgery at an event in 2004 for trans people. It's not updated terminology, since the people described would be considered transmeds today. I emailed the writer for more information, and was told that she did not coin the term, but it used to be used in the 2010s to describe anyone who was not transgender in a way the "trans-nazi" did not approve of.

Here's the 2016 use:

Just as a warning, it's 2016 4chan. Transphobia, queerphobia, using otherkin people to discredit queer identities, attack helicopter-type unfunny jokes, slurs, dick photos, and antisemitism await you behind that link. The absence of straight up porn and sexualized minor character artwork is an anomaly.

Here's the important comment on that page to save you the scrolling and triggering (Except antisemitism, unfortunately since I cannot spoiler things in the middle of this post):

"I sexually identify as a transnazi and this thread needs to be put in a gas chamber."

This is a use of the term before radqueers got a chance to "coin" it- and it is directly used to be antisemitic and queerphobic. I actually remember seeing this thread and laughing because at the time I was an alt-right fuckwad bigot. I didn't write that, but I remember that thread.

The current use of "transnazi" by radqueers is in line with that of transphobes, queerphobes, racists, sexists, and antisemites that will not hesitate to kill them if they do not fully commit to being a nazi in one exact way. There is no way to separate where this term came from with that of a radqueer's use of it. Both are in support of nazis, and no list of reasons will ever be good enough to make identifying as a fascist valid. (Yes, I am aware of this bullshit. I technically fit a few of those in my life with the fact that I was groomed to be right-wing and in the pipeline. I have met systems with fucking Hitler fictives who are staunchly antifascist. One of my own system members has his source use a bunch of nazi imagery- and he will not turn up the chance to beat up a nazi and make fun of them. These are excuses for bigotry that fucking 4chan teens use to try to seem like they are a nazi, but only "ironically.")

We all know that transabled, transrace, and transspecies are stolen from other communities. But this example helps illustrate that many of their terms and things they support are hijacked from other spaces, for better or for worse.

How this ties into stochastic terrorism- The normalization of nazis, neo-nazis, and antisemitism that puts jewish people at risk.

"Nazi" has been a dirty word for a while. People don't like having their beliefs linked to people near-universally known to be "Those idiots that killed thousands of people in a genocide targeting minorities and had generally bad ideas."

This is where language shifts are useful to bigots.

Instead of "white supremacist," you have people saying they are a "race realist" based on eugenics and racist findings rooted in bad science.

Instead of "nazi" and "fascist," you have the alt-right trying to claim that fascism is a left-leaning belief and that the nazis were so smart. (They weren't. Imagine trying to use dogs as spies without microphones or cameras and then falling for looney tunes-like tactics from the allies. They took things from other cultures to try to legitimize themselves- look at volkish shit. Former Norse pagan here, and the Norse gods would fucking hate nazis and the theft of their culture.)

The nature of shifting the language, even ironically, is to blur the definition until it becomes unrecognizable to the public and can safely radicalize someone without others being aware. People who pick it up might think it's a joke- until it isn't. Like the incels that think jokes about killing women are fine and then get suddenly greeted with members of their community acting on those jokes. It never was a joke from the start- it was a way to make the choice to act on those more desireable.

Nazis rely on this type of radicalization and terrorism because it allows them to not be personally responsible for hate crimes. So, "transnazi" is just another way for them to attempt to hide their true intentions. Anyone who uses "transnazi" is a nazi and should be treated like one.

Right now, in the US, there is an attempt to legislate transgender people out of existence. One of my friends lives in Florida, and has seen people wave nazi flags. I fear for his safety, as well as that of his partner. The nazis are very real, and are often right under our noses, trying to hide themselves. Jewish people have to live in fear of seeing apologists lick the boots of fascists.

If you're "transnazi," you will be killed the second you are no longer useful to nazis.

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wildd-prats · 9 months ago

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Radqueers are a cult.

I am a cult survivor, I have been one far before I was in the radqueer community. As a cult survivor, the radqueer community IS a cult. If you've never been in the community, and have only been an outside observer, it's understandable that you wouldn't realize this, but claiming radqueers are "just assholes" is a slap in the face to people like me who have been permanently traumatized by them.

Here is a commonly used model of how cults work:

If you go through every single point in this, the radqueer community checks almost every one of them. People have already pointed this out many times before, however I will explain it again for people who haven't seen those posts.

(Skipping over ones that don't fully apply or that I haven't personally experienced. Most of these are pretty brief because I don't think anyone will read an entire essay for every point)

Rigid rules - radqueers force you to include everyone and everything, and never question what you're accepting lest you get labeled as "not a real radqueer" and harassed. You must accept any and all predatory relationships, or you'll receive the same treatment as "antis". If that isn't "rigid rules", I don't know what is.

Rewards and punishments - you coin a term people like, or make an "I love pro-cs" post? Everyone likes you, praises you, sends you asks telling you how amazing you are! You dare to question anything about the community? You get cast out, banned from servers, harassed, sent death threats, and doxxed.

Dependence and obedience - radqueers make their victims believe that this is the only community that will accept them. They say that every other community will hate them for their identity, and this is the only "real radinclus" community. This causes people to feel trapped there, or in other words become entirely dependent on the community for validation and support. They convince people that if they leave, or do anything wrong that causes them to be forced out, they'll have nowhere to go. This forces them into obedience for fear of being left all alone and being completely abandoned.

Deception - this one is very, very obvious. There's a reason why radqueers label themselves as "radically inclusive", "pro-consent", "pro-bodily autonomy" - they are not just saying these things because they don't understand what they mean. They're intentionally using uplifting, inclusive language that sounds really great and supportive to deceive people into joining them. This is also why they use emoji codes, so other radqueers will recognize them but people who don't know what radqueers are will be lured into their trap.

Propaganda - pretty similar to the above. They label everything as "radical inclusion" and tell people that they have to support all these things to be "truly inclusive". They make cute flags and emoji codes to make grooming, abuse, racism, ableism, and transphobia seem cool and fun, to further lead people into their trap. By definition, propaganda is "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view". All these cutesy emojis, symbols, flags, and terms are propaganda.

Discourages access to outside sources of information - radqueers constantly say that all science, psychology, and medical information is "biased" and "bigoted". If you provide them with any information on how what they're doing is wrong, they pull out any number of excuses and then tell their "friends" how bigoted and exclusionist the source is. This makes it seem like radqueers are the only reliable source of information, and anything else is untrustworthy.

Insider/outsider doctrine - this is painfully clear with how they refer to everyone who disagrees with them as "antis". Even if you're just an outside observer, you pick up on this quickly.

All/nothing, good/evil, us/them dogma - once again, they refer to anyone who differs even slightly in opinion as an "anti" or "anti in training", and the second anyone decides to question why they're literally supporting nazis and blackface, they get labeled as an "anti" and "horrible person". They play the victim any time they get told that what they're doing is wrong, while crying and complaining about how much they're harassed and about how "mean" and "rude" anti-radqueers are.

Feeling chosen or special - radqueers very obviously convince themselves that they're so unique and special, which is why terms like transship or transhasapetcat exist. They want to seem really cool and special, and make completely normal things into obscure, "special" identities, like calling yourself translivesintheuk instead of just saying you wanna move to the UK. As someone who's been in their servers, they hoard identities like this because it makes them feel temporarily special and unique, which makes them convinced that what they're doing is right.

Guilt/manipulation - radqueers do this all the time. When someone says they aren't sure if they support something or not, radqueers immediately get all teary-eyed and upset, claiming that the person would be "basically an anti" if they decided not to support it. I've even seem someone cry and complain over being rejected by an anti-transnazi radqueer and claim that it was "ableist" that the person rejected them. Everyone defended and comforted the person who was rejected, immediately siding with them for fear of being "ableist", saying that it was wrong to be against literal nazis. This is very clear manipulation and guilt-tripping.

Phobia indoctrination - phobia indoctrination is where people in the cult make others terrified of leaving for fear of being hurt, killed, etc. As I've explained earlier, radqueers try to scare people into staying by saying that if they leave the community, no one will ever support or love them, and they'll never be accepted outside of it. People who went into the radqueer community after being anti-radqueer know firsthand how awful the harassment, doxxing, and death threats from radqueers are. People in the community who have doubts are very clearly too scared to leave, and people who don't have doubts have been convinced that no one will ever love them except for radqueers.

Anyways, I hope that this clears up how the radqueer community is a cult! Feel free to add on with your own experiences or additions, and please stop invalidating and shaming survivors.

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