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And people still bring up the Kronos trauma bullshit, if I’m being completely honest with you Rachel brought that story into every single shitty thing Hades has done up until now in this story so much so that I don’t even see it as a big deal now. I know this sounds invalidating as hell but I can’t keep lying and making it seem like it holds any weight in my mind, your dad made you go into the corner for a few years :((( so now you have to prey after younger women and treat the lower class like shit for no other reason except for the fact that you can, I think that’s bullshit.

The flashbacks also gave me nothing to work with, I literally just kept seeing a grown ass man curling up in a ball of liquid after he just berated and harassed a random nymph on the street. I really could care less about Kronos eating Hades, I don’t know if that’s a hot take or something but the way he treated Thanatos is sick and I will always despise Rachel for really trying to make it seem like Hades once again blaming Thanatos for his own mistreatment and abandonment was ever his fault. There’s too many kids out there going through similar situations with their deadbeat dads, they don’t deserve to hear the lie of “it’s your fault I did xyz” and it’s a horrible thing to even praise. Once again Rachel dropped the ball and supported something else fucked up 🙀.

I'm never going to not be furious about Lore Olympus having a whole mini arc dedicated to Demeter questioning her parenting and apologizing to Persephone and trying to work through her generational trauma, while Hades neglects Thanatos his entire life, humiliates and bullies him several times as an adult, and the way that is dealt with is one chapter of Hades saying "my dad sucked so I didn't even try to be a parent" and not even apologizing, while Thanatos has to apologize to Hades and tells him "you weren't as bad as you could have been, i made things difficult for you as a kid and at least you were there" and that's it.

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LO RANT:

Because why not? I just don’t understand the way that fans think, on one hand we can’t associate or even compare Lore Olympus to the myths because they’ll say “well it’s her retelling she doesn’t have to do things exactly alike” but on the other hand when you’re talking about the story by itself they’ll then try to counter whatever argument against Lore Olympus by saying “this is what they did in the myths!! why are you guys mad at greek mythology??” so which one is it because it’s giving me a headache. I get so tired of seeing the exact same argument from fans it’s so redundant and I mean that in the nicest way possible, I’m sure a lot of you are great people but the things y’all say and do for this comic is insane.

Rachel is adding yet another sex scene and people are rightfully angry. We’re in the climax where the world is basically in an apocalyptic state and the gods are all in danger of having no mortals to worship them and give them any purpose and it’s all because of Persephone, no one is thinking “oh yeah this is the perfect time for intimacy” and if you wanted to give fan service to those who are craving it you should’ve did it in a more calmer setting?? No one is threatening Rachel and telling her that she needs to add these ridiculously high stakes to her comic which prevents her from smoothly writing NSFW of the main couple, she’s literally doing this herself which is one of the reasons why it gets so annoying whenever fans get mad at people for being upset or disappointed. She’s doing this to herself, am I saying harass the woman or cyber bully her? No but that’s not what a lot of these people are doing, in every single webtoon especially one as big as Lore Olympus you’re going to have people who view your content differently or disagree with the way you’ve written things. I’m not trying to encourage the idea of changing your entire story to bend to those people but a large majority of your fandom are starting to have the exact same complaints and it’s clear that your plots are not being fleshed out at all, these people are just asking (no, begging really) for a cohesive story not a masterpiece.

Which brings me to my next point, all of the criticisms and explanations many critics have been sharing are entirely valid. You cannot put a sex scene as a replacement to storytelling, it just never works since it adds virtually nothing to what’s happening. Especially right now when, like I said before, Rachel is starting to spiral the plot into chaos (I’m not being insulting by saying this it’s literally chaos it seems like all of the characters are in trouble) and introducing or welcoming back a lot of intriguing plot stories and characters that many people are excited to see. To make an odd and unnecessary shift to romance in the middle of absolute destruction is crazy, especially when none of it is earned. I’ve said this in my later rants but I’ll say it again because it’s true, the romance between Hades and Persephone has no stakes and it never will it seems since Rachel doesn’t even allow stuff like that to happen. Nothing about their romance keeps you straddled on for the ride or leaves you at the edge of your seat which is why so many people are bored with their dynamic if there even is one to begin with. Slow burns and other romances are all about the payoff that’s what everyone’s here to see, after chapters on chapters of wondering if their love will brave the dangers around them and between them we finally get our question solved with appropriate intimacy.

Lore Olympus as a whole rarely wants to develop actual relationships in real time, it only skips to “the good bits” while completely ignoring the fact that the entire bonding experience between your ships and your fans rely heavily on us actually witnessing their chemistry/bond and being shown why they should be together, not being told by forces outside of the relationship.

All in all the potential sex scene is just terrible timing on Rachel’s part and it should’ve been done while literally nothing was happening to avoid all of the backlash that it’s getting now.

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Iasion knows how much Demeter suffered.

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LO RELATED:

Truly insane how Rachel convinced her entire fandom that a literal man child with the personality of a wet hot dog is a man you should actively want to pursue.

Fans, if you ever even stumble across this post (which you probably won’t), and even antis alike I love you dearly which is why I’m begging you never settle for a man who’d weaponize his incompetence against you while you’re in need of genuine support.

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“Persephone was never r*ped” is an incorrect statement

Yes, although r*pe in Ancient Greece was also used as a synonym of kidnapping, which was a common method to initiate marriages, many of the older tellings describe the “r*pe of Persephone” as violent.

It’s also implied by the culture of kidnapping wives, that women’s consent wasn’t prioritised.

That said, the one doing the “r*ping” is and always will be Hades, not the unrelated Apollo

(Also their marriage was not happy at all in the myths, it was functional, but not healthy)

I see, I’m not the most knowledgable in the myths so a lot of times I won’t confirm nor deny what those who are have to say about them but I will say that I have been seeing a lot of evidence of Persephone’s rape and the description really isn’t that of kidnapping it’s forceful and violent as you’ve said.

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for some reason just read this week's wide release chapter, after not reading for a while, and when exactly did Thanatos become close enough with them all to be invited to the birthday party of Persephone?

It’s literally so we forget that Hades is an abusive parental figure to Thanatos and continued his abusive nature through his employment in his own corporation and to top it off had a incredibly victim blaming “apology” as well that he only came up with because of his own motivation to talk to Thanatos’ brother.

I still cannot forgive Rachel and the fans for just allowing that to slide. That entire episode was a slap in the face for me personally because I’ve had that exact same scenario happen to me where I was Thanatos in that situation and my own father was Hades, a child should never be held accountable for the behavior of their own parent that shouldn’t have ever been a concept that everyone thought was fit for Lore Olympus in the first place. If we’re calling anyone a fucked up parent Hades needs to be addressed up front before Hera.

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Based on another comment send, Rachel also used SA as a backstory for Zeus, Rhea and Demeter.

Rhea used sex as a distraction so Kronos wouldn't devour their children. Zeus lied to Demeter in order for her to sleep with him. Zeus slept with Metis when he was a minor.

None of those things are explored to show how damaging SA is, it's just there for jokes(Metis) or cheap shock value (Demeter).

I’m really convinced that Rachel never really cared about the SA plot lines, no one who genuinely cares would take this little consideration with it and still not say anything to her borderline proshipper fans (not all btw just the hera x kronos shippers) if she genuinely cared. I’ve never seen someone make up things and openly brag about things they know they’ve never done. Lore Olympus is just a kink fantasy and that’s all, every deep or meaningful thing that’s been in the comics have all been accidental.

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Rachel used the assault plot no once but TWICE to goddesses who were never a victim in the original myths!

Persephone was never r*ped neither did Hera. In some versions they say that because Zeus transformed into a bird to trick her and woo her it ended as an assault but most resources say it was consensual. After they got married they had 300 years of honeymoon! So no plotline of victims here. And IT'S NEVER mentioned she was r*ped by Kronos. That's something Rachel did for shock value.

And i am saying it as a Greek who studies the myths regularly and i am fascinated by my ancestors myths but please Rachel.... Stop having plots were ancient Greek women suffer for plot device it's also damaging to our culture. I am tired of these retellings saying that ancient Greek women were assaulted left and right with no happy life.

I see, I’m not going to say too much cause I’m not knowledgeable in Greek Mythology, I know the basics but the ones I do is just common myths everyone knows.

Besides that though you’re right about Rachel always changing what happens, it’s getting really ridiculous now because all mythology from literally any culture has a meaning. That’s what I think is Rachel’s main problem, she doesn’t acknowledge that the myths are not only just fun little stories you can obsess over in your high school social studies class it’s also explanations for our world. Myths are kind of like the layout of why things work the way they do and like I said before this can be found in any culture so Rachel taking the myth of Persephone and Hades and transforming it into some mafia boss wattpad story for a few shingles takes away all of the importance and meaning of the story in the first place and as someone who claims to love Greek Mythology so much she should have more respect for it than treat it like it’s some silly children’s book or gossip, it still to this day holds culture and importance to those belonging to the group or studying it and that should always be taken into consideration when making retellings.

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Agree that shippers of kronos and hera are freaking disgusting, though im a little hesitant to lay the blame on rs. When i first read it, i recognized it for being awful and insidious abuse and thought it was framed surprisingly well. Webtoon readers are known for being shit balls at reading and media comprehension, so many other webtoons i read suffer from readers being way too obtuse and rooting for genuinely abusive characters that the creator always frames as toxic. (tho full disclosure i haven't read the fast pass episodes so this might have changed!!) while i also do wish rs might make it clearer that its abuse so these commentors would shut up, at the same time i think its sad creators would need to sacrifice more sublte, clever storytelling just so that certain sections of the fandom won't misunderstand.

I understand your point, the main reason why I included Rachel in that rant is because if she can make an authors note about Persephone not dying, she should be able to come out with at least a statement saying that you shouldn’t ship Hera with Kronos at all because half of those people are grown adults, they should absolutely know better.

Rachel never holds her fans accountable when they’re saying fucked up things in Rachel and Lore Olympus’ defense and she’s known for being active in various groups including Lore Olympus so she should have no problem making an announcement condemning stuff like that. The problem isn’t that her subtle writing wasn’t clear enough for her fans the problem is you have over 45 comments on your main page talking about how Hera’s SA wasn’t SA and victim blaming her for the trauma Kronos gave her and you’re not saying anything about it.

It’s even worse since like I’ve said there’s a lot of fans who relate to both Hera and Persephone with their traumas, having a fandom like that condoning disgusting stuff like that and dismissing coercion and SA is disingenuous and honestly made me lose even more respect for her. I’m not asking her to stand up for her fans as an anti I’m asking her to stand up for them as a decent person, it’s the bare minimum to make a statement and of course if the fandom doesn’t listen I won’t talk anymore about it since she’s one person but she hasn’t said anything and that’s the problem.

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LO RANT:

TRIGGER WARNING: SA

Okay I’m back again and it’s only to say this.. The comments on the new fastpass are genuinely disgusting. I don’t care how you put it or feel about both characters it’s absolutely deranged to ship or want a redemption arc for a rapist, maybe I’m being too harsh but I can’t find soft words to use for this. The fact that there’s so many people girlbossing this entire situation as a “I got the entire lineage on my shoulders!!! I slept with the brothers and the father!!!!” thing is weird to me because these fans are all missing the point of Hera’s entire story and it makes no sense that as I’m ALWAYS saying these fans are quite literally shipping rapists with their victims when the entire point of Lore Olympus was to shed light and bring awareness to Sexual Assault that is not violent or gruesome in physical action.

And we all know why this is happening, Rachel doesn’t know how to properly handle this situation and it’s clear that that’s how this is coming across to her fans. They don’t see this as a rape survivor story they see this as another dark romance since she doesn’t bother on actually addressing the assault in a respectful and dignified way, every single time she adds another sexual assault in her story she’s always glamorizing it or diminishing it whenever she gets tired of writing about it and it’s infuriating. Your fans should know better than to ship victims with their abusers and you wanna know why? Because you pride your comic on healthy relationships and mental health talks, you use the sexual assault as some kind of badge to show everyone that you know what you’re talking about when it’s clear that you will abandon all real representation of a situation that affects millions of people around the world just for crappy fan service.

Lore Olympus fans are groomed to dismiss these arcs since they’re not even treated like they’re serious and it doesn’t seem like Rachel takes it serious as well, she’s never taken any advice from survivors who aren’t pleased with how she portrays SA and she completely ignores the feelings of those truly affected by the traumatic events that she shoves into her webcomic just so it’ll stay “interesting”. I’m tired of Rachel getting away with drawing absolute trauma porn and I’m sick of her sexualizing every single woman we come across, how many times do we have to continue this long and excruciating pattern of giving the women of your comic terrible consequences and make them suffer just for drama and nothing else. How many other situations are you willing to completely spit on just to look self aware?

This is honestly the last straw because there’s been so many people genuinely shipping Hera and Kronos and also saying borderline disgusting things just to defend stuff like that. Rachel needs to say something, you cannot just sit back and be quiet while your fans openly admit to wanting to see a rapist and his victim together for the sake of your own comic and “beloved” main character hell even for a lot of your fans you need to speak up about this and address it letting a mindset like that fester in a fandom probably filled with survivors of assault is a disservice to them and it’s a slap in the face to the comfort that your webtoon gave them.

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Two things:

1 a. I don't think kidding someone's feet automatically equals foot fetish. If you have someone a kiss on the shoulder doors that mean you have a shoulder fetish?

1 b. Even if he does, that didn't automatically make him evil or a creep. Kinks and fetishes are not moral indicators and acting like they do is juvenile. It might not be for you, or even make you uncomfortable, and that's okay. Live and let live.

2. I don't think it's fair to call Persephone a homewrecker when:

a. Minthe and Hades were not exclusive. Minthe was sleeping with Thanatos - Hades' adoptive son - and Hades was sleeping with Hera anyway.

b. Minthe was emotionally, verbally, and physically abusive to Hades. I feel like everyone forgets that she literally hit him. He shouldn't have been in that relationship anyways.

Okay first off, I’m sorry if I made it seem like I was kinkshaming at all. I was honestly just joking about that comparison and one of the main reasons why I said that it reminded me of Dan Schneider and that I was repulsed was because of the “creepy” aspect of it being placed in there, it was around the end that the person said that the kink seemed like it was only given to creepy guys. I don’t care about kinks genuinely and trust me I do mind my business when it comes to those things, again my apologies if I did come off immature.

But you’re right, his kink doesn’t make him a creep but the fact that he literally is creepy, manipulative, and an overall messed up person makes him a little bit more warranted for those kinds of comments since that’s literally how he represents himself in the comic. Hades is a slave owning, hypocritical, child neglecting, abusive, and overall tyrant to everyone who’s not kissing his ass and it’s not me exaggerating it’s literally just how he is that’s him as a person overall.

And I do think it is fair to call Persephone a homewrecker based on the very fact that they were seeing each other and breaking a lot of boundaries after Hades and Minthe officially made it official. Mind you, it was Hades who wanted to close the open relationship so yeah now seeing other people and touching them beyond the appropriate interaction between an employee and boss especially is now inappropriate and not something that you can just wave the “we’re not in a closed relationship” card at. Also, by definition Persephone was one of the sole reasons that Minthe and Hades broke up since Minthe started noticing just how overly affectionate they became with each other while working so yes, she is a homewrecker. She broke a home and please don’t comment by saying “there was never a home in the first place” because there was, you can’t just give homewrecking and emotional cheating a pass because you don’t like the character they still had history.

Also, trust me when I say no one forgets that Minthe hits him. Every single time I post about Minthe I make sure to acknowledge the fact that I don’t condone her actions and actually a lot of critics do as well since there’s a lot of people like you (not saying this in a bad way by the way) that do believe that many people are Minthe stans every time you discuss her without stating that fact. But even though yes, it was a fairly toxic relationship on both sides and they should’ve broke up much sooner like I said before there was still a relationship there that they were both in. It’s still emotional cheating and homewrecking on Hades and Persephone’s part, also Persephone doesn’t even know how Minthe treated Hades she just never cared about her feelings to begin with and pursued her boyfriend basically.

Also last thing but do you know what slap everyone does tend to forget a lot? Hecate when she slapped the ever loving shit out of Hades, now I’m not saying since that happened just forget about Minthe’s behavior at all but I am saying that we should all react to that slap the same. We all agree that it’s never okay to put your hands on someone so why should we condone it when it’s not Minthe?

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LO RANT:

In light of Lore Olympus dropping another episode Ive just got to say that this hiatus just made me really look at Lore Olympus even worse than I have before. Like listen, I know that a lot of media around greek mythology comes up in our society and stuff and I’m not saying I’m against it I really have no ties to it culturally so I don’t know if it’s my place to say who does or doesn’t get to retell the myths but Lore Olympus has to be the worst representation of the greek gods I’ve ever seen in my life.

At least other retellings give the gods some sort of grace that can give them some correlation to their actual counterparts, Lore Olympus literally made Persephone into an “uwu” sugar baby but not actually because she’s too pure and innocent to manipulate and use the money of a much older man. Like Persephone is literally a homewrecker, a liar, a borderline cheater, she’s extremely weak, she’s a massive crybaby (which is saying something because I am too but like she only cries when she’s not getting her way) and she’s overall just a morally terrible person and a huge coward. You’re telling me that Rachel actually read, not skimmed over, but read those myths and got that from the versions of Persephone that are provided in the mythological texts? That’s honestly so embarrassing, every greek god she’s touched she’s absolutely ruined. I don’t even understand how people can genuinely with a straight face say that any of this content is good it’s just really disrespectful at this point.

Never would I ever want to be represented by Rachel and it’s only because she doesn’t put any thought behind these characters. It’s okay to slow down and think about something other than fan service and ships, and if that’s something she wanted to focus on then she should’ve just formatted it like those slices of life webtoons where it’s just two characters and each chapter is a different day with new challenges but nothing actually relating to one another. That would’ve been better than trying to cram together an entire series with no real story or plot written down it’s just really reductive at this point.

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Hi! I'm sorry I promise I won't bother you I just discovered something I thought was hilarious and I wanted to share it! :"")

So Edward in twilight has a foot fetish (we learn that in breaking dawn). Christian Grey also has a foot fetish and by the infamous panel in LO where hades is literally kissing persephone's feet , it's safe to say he's also a foot freak.

Like...what's with this pattern of ostensibly alluring and flawless yet in actuality creepy,toxic love interests in media consumed by young women having a foot fetish dawg I-...😭😭😭

Just saying if you came across a guy in your school or anywhere else that seems like the real deal but you learn somewhere along the way that he's into feet..GIRLIE RUN FOR YOUR LIFE✋🏼✋🏼✋🏼 (I'm joking btw lol I just noticed it and thought it was funny)

It just reminds me of Dan Schneider or whatever his name is and by that comparison alone I’m completely and utterly repulsed.

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Lore olympus is my generation’s twilight

Oh my goodness, my bad I didn’t even see this at all and it’s already November now but I agree in the worst ways possible.

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LO RANT:

Can some Lore Olympus fans please stop defending Rachel profiting from someone else’s religion by saying that religion is evil? It’s not only stupid as hell but it’s completely insensitive and it makes you look like an asshole. Please stop going against your morals for a half assed webcomic created by a perverted 40 year old woman that has no problem with pedophilic relationships. Rachel is a pro shopper at this point and honestly no one can tell me differently, maybe it would’ve been a stretch for me to say that a few years ago but the more you think about Rachel the more fucked up she gets. She’s a grown ass woman she shouldn’t be sexualizing teenagers and romanticizing teens getting intimate with adults, that’s disgusting and it happens way too much in reality anyways with worser results than that said teen turning into a horrible person devoid of all individuality and character. All I ask from everyone honestly is a push to hold this woman accountable for at least one thing, it doesn’t have to be anything crazy but I’m so tired of her antics. She shouldn’t be getting away with encouraging and developing such a morally backwards fandom, there’s way too many bad takes from stans trying to defend Lore Olympus and I know she sees them she just doesn’t do shit about it.

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It doesn't make sense for Persephone to be "forever 19". It has creepy vibes when she's with Hades because of the mindset of "young, pure, innocent" many predators have.

Also it's like saying that older women just aren't it . Like no beautiful enough to appeal which isn't good to give to millions of readers.

No seriously, we already have this alarming trend of showing 7 or 8 year olds how to get rid of smile lines to “preserve” their youthful faces and not have wrinkles. I feel like the old person trend has helped a lot of women especially be comfortable with aging despite the numerous amounts of men shaming and insulting us by the ripe age of 30 years old, it’s actually crazy how society treats women when we start to age we’re either milfs or bitter old women who will die alone nothing in between and we don’t need any more fuel to this ridiculous fire.

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LO REMINDER:

Forever will absolutely despise both Hera and Hecate heavily because they were never the girl boss feminists that everyone believed them to be and they quite literally take the sides of men rather than their female peers. They’re the number one dick riders for Hades and both of them failed in actually supporting and taking care of Persephone.

Hecate was studying on Demeter’s land and utilizing her own resources from that said land and knew that Persephone was not supposed to be anywhere near Hades or the Underworld. Not only did she not reach out to Demeter once when her own daughter ran away, got stuck in the Underworld, and had a place to hide away from the feds but she also allowed this grown ass man to sniff around the very naive and gullible 19 year old Persephone. When Persephone was hibernating due to all of the stress and cold temperatures that both Hades and the Underworld brought her she never talked to Hades about cutting ties with her or supplying Persephone with an apartment by herself where she can get away from all the stressors she kept her near Hades at all times. She was also the second in command of ruining her social life, she encouraged Hades to do that dumbass eye pulling thing over someone he had no business knowing in the first place and she didn’t even apologize to Persephone at all. Hecate is the biggest op ever to Persephone, she never cared for her at all and she quite literally is just Hades’ hunting dog when it comes to vulnerable women.

Next is Hera, we all know why she failed Persephone multiple times but I’m gonna repeat them anyways because the amount of shit Persephone lets Hera get away with is actually criminal. First off we have to talk about the infamous match making thing, first of all she doesn’t even know anything about Persephone? She met her once at a party while she was drunk and another time when she was literally a fucking baby that’s the only flashbacks we have of her and Persephone interacting together so why would she be in such a rush to do this anyways. Besides the fact that Hera is literally picking Persephone’s own love life for her, the girl is 19 years old Hades even said so himself that she isn’t even old enough to handle the effects of magic why the fuck are you trying to hook up this (mortally) freshly new 19 year old with someone who’s old enough to be her uncles and great grandfathers? Another thing is the fact that Hera single-handedly forced Persephone to work in the Underworld despite not having any real friends, family, or other people there was actually fucked up of her in the first place. Once again, Persephone doesn’t have street smarts and she knows nothing of the Underworld and she’s a nature goddess as well, she’s literally made of fucking plants if she doesn’t have any sunlight she’s not going to do well which is why Persephone (used to be) is always cold when she went down there in the first place. Hera did not give a flying fuck about Persephone and she quite literally only used her as a puppet just so she can get over her own fling. Not only that but the fact that Hera was actively trying to find out what happened to Persephone by discussing it with other people and not even trying to question her is wild as well. Persephone’s assault is her business and if people that Hera questioned started to catch on and question Persephone about it I can imagine that that would probably trigger her. If Hera didn’t even want to see anyone while dealing with Kronos why not give Persephone that same privacy? Don’t even get me started on the dress thing too, I swear Hera acts exactly how everyone wants Demeter to act like. You cannot tell me that Hera isn’t Persephone’s overbearing mother who forces her to do things she doesn’t want to, puts an unbelievable standard on her, doesn’t let her make her own decisions, and keeps her in the dark about things.

Anyways, moral of the story here is that along with Hades these two deserve to be up there with the true villains of Lore Olympus because they’re quite literally just like Thetis but maybe even worse honestly. They both show us where their loyalty lies and that they care more about Hades’ feelings rather than Persephone so much so that they’d throw her under the bus without remorse if he asked them to.