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women-of-malevolent · 9 months ago
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King John's Family
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women-of-malevolent · 9 months ago
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The Witch (III)
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PART 47
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women-of-malevolent · 9 months ago
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Alexander the Owl (II)
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women-of-malevolent · 9 months ago
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Alexander The Owl (I) Part 41-44
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women-of-malevolent · 10 months ago
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The Person Living In The Mines
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women-of-malevolent · 10 months ago
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The People Of Unnamed English Village
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women-of-malevolent · 10 months ago
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i’ve just come across this blog and you’ve put into words what I my growing issues with Malevolent are. Been following the podcast since 2021 and s4 and s5 are definitely testing me. Excellent analyses.
I'm so glad to hear that!
Not sharing my thoughts about it was starting to feel like furiously shaking a soda bottle and opening it just a little. The madness. Following from season 2 must have been so crazy!
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women-of-malevolent · 11 months ago
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alright malev it's been real byyyeeeee
(you cannot even pry the fic and fanart and the people i met here from my cold dead hands though) (fandom is a different hobby than media entertainment reading)
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women-of-malevolent · 11 months ago
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what do you mean by Hattie being girl!Arthur? i think the only shared trait they have is that they’ve both been possessed, but the way each entity’s possession works seems to be entirely different. or is it mainly the act of possession itself that ties the two as parallels?
There's a major theme in season 4 around management of social bonds. John is feeling very trapped in Arthur's head. Arthur is feeling very trapped by his situation with John. Arthur wants wants to be friends with Oscar, and John is threatened by this; Arthur wants to give John friendNoel. You know?
Hattie is a woman who, like Arthur, has been possessed by an eldritch entity. The mechanism is a little different but I think the two of them could agree they're in a very fkn small cluster of people, no? Possession by elder gods is on the rise but it's not common. But literally no character brings up the similarity or even suggests that Arthur and Hattie talk to each other while Hattie is conscious. The idea that Hattie has anything to offer the story is literally dismissed by both John and Arthur (not to mention Marie and Oscar more generally), who decide that she couldn't have a notebook because she was old, like Marie (and then they find that information from a random man's notebook later).
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Okay. The diary is out. She's older (like Marie) so she has nothing, like, going on up there in her head. Don't worry about it. We all agree that men are the interesting parts of stories and that women are in stories to silently add to interesting men. Support staff like Nell. Arthur couldn't connect with this woman who shares his extraordinarily uncommon trauma in any platonic (certainly not romantic or sexual) manner, that'd be weird.
It's a lot like Anais Lachlann. Here's a woman with specific name, trauma, and relatively nearby location. And everyone involved is like "I see nothing but a sad story about a woman with zero thoughts or agency, and I'm going to ignore it"
Hattie could have been anything and she was this
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women-of-malevolent · 11 months ago
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what do you mean by Hattie being girl!Arthur? i think the only shared trait they have is that they’ve both been possessed, but the way each entity’s possession works seems to be entirely different. or is it mainly the act of possession itself that ties the two as parallels?
There's a major theme in season 4 around management of social bonds. John is feeling very trapped in Arthur's head. Arthur is feeling very trapped by his situation with John. Arthur wants wants to be friends with Oscar, and John is threatened by this; Arthur wants to give John friendNoel. You know?
Hattie is a woman who, like Arthur, has been possessed by an eldritch entity. The mechanism is a little different but I think the two of them could agree they're in a very fkn small cluster of people, no? Possession by elder gods is on the rise but it's not common. But literally no character brings up the similarity or even suggests that Arthur and Hattie talk to each other while Hattie is conscious. The idea that Hattie has anything to offer the story is literally dismissed by both John and Arthur (not to mention Marie and Oscar more generally), who decide that she couldn't have a notebook because she was old, like Marie (and then they find that information from a random man's notebook later).
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Okay. The diary is out. She's older (like Marie) so she has nothing, like, going on up there in her head. Don't worry about it. We all agree that men are the interesting parts of stories and that women are in stories to silently add to interesting men. Support staff like Nell. Arthur couldn't connect with this woman who shares his extraordinarily uncommon trauma in any platonic (certainly not romantic or sexual) manner, that'd be weird.
It's a lot like Anais Lachlann. Here's a woman with specific name, trauma, and relatively nearby location. And everyone involved is like "I see nothing but a sad story about a woman with zero thoughts or agency, and I'm going to ignore it"
Hattie could have been anything and she was this
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women-of-malevolent · 11 months ago
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Very low odds of it mattering, but yep! The angelic avenger of children murdered a bunch of children in the name of one child and his innocent manfriend (both who were already dead). It's very stupid. I mean it could be a clever commentary on conservative patriarchy, but it's not, because that's not coming from a story that didn't realize Hattie was girl!Arthur.
There's also a line in 45 there about how the children demanded the poor little guy's blood. So, uh, I guess they're "evil children". Lmfao that's not a thing, MalaM, you devil you...
MalaM is clearly evil! But so was Kayne and no one hesitated with the Lilly dagger thing.
relistening to malevolent part 45 with the transcripts and I noticed a detail I had missed on my initial listen
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so....there were other children in the village. the village that Malam was summoned to destroy at the request of the drowned boy bc he wanted vengeance for the murdered stranger.
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at what point does a "servant for the children" find it inappropriate to murder other children bc one spirit requested it? what about the spirits of those children?
it's a strange detail to include
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women-of-malevolent · 11 months ago
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This is an excellent post, thank you so much.
I assumed that the Hag's mother became pregnant when she was an adult (or near adulthood), not when she was 6 years old? So that's why I don't think the warning is there?
Incorrect, not how that works. "It's worded vaguely enough that it could have happened at any point after she was six" doesn't mean you don't have to trigger warn for it.
You can't put "my mother the six-year-old was sold to a religious order and raped before she tried to murder me" in the story and not trigger warn for it, and then turn around and trigger warn for every time a dude sprains his wrist. Seriously look at how carefully Alexander's abuse is warned for and compare it to Anais Lachlann aka "the Hag's mother". Look at how lovingly the trigger warnings are written for all the scumbag manhurt in Part 40
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women-of-malevolent · 11 months ago
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Mother Darkness (I)
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Flora Lion - Flora Drummond. Suffragette. 1936
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women-of-malevolent · 11 months ago
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Faroe Lester (V)
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women-of-malevolent · 11 months ago
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The Witch (III)
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women-of-malevolent · 1 year ago
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This has nothing to do with malevolent. However. Have you read the changling by Lavelle? It's a horror/thriller about fatherhood and motherhood and it's just so amazing.
Whatever I found lacking in malevolent, Lavelle served amazingly.
Oooh, I have not, thank you! That sounds great!
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women-of-malevolent · 1 year ago
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I genuinely don’t mean this from a place of malice, and do think the podcast both has a history of handling its women characters poorly and would like if it were better in that aspect. But I don’t understand the specific criticism of the work having a running theme of “male characters uncritically sacrificing their daughters.” (Key word uncritically.)
The titular Bella episode directly forces Arthur to confront the idea that him and Larson are similar, that the callousness they showed to their loved ones is intentionally paralleled. I don’t think it’s something the story is unaware of, and I’d hesitate to argue that Arthur (or Daniel, later) is presented as being in the definitive right. (In this regard.)
I don’t think you have to love the prevalence of the concept in the narrative, but I do think some of your critique feels like you’re taking the worst interpretation you could from the story and arguing that because the characters themselves don’t actively stop the plot to condemn it (and honestly, they do sometimes) it means the actions are presented as wholly value neutral. Some of your analysis feels like you’re starting from a conclusion and working your way back.
I want to reiterate: I really enjoy most of your critiques, and it’s refreshing to have someone in the fandom both document female presence in the podcast and speak candidly about its flaws. I’d honestly love to know if/why you disagree, either with regards to intentionality or necessity of inclusion.
Hello! Thanks for writing in!
I'm not sure which post you're referencing where I said the daughter-sacrifice theme was uncritically portrayed? Because I don't think it is. The story portrays daughter-sacrifice as varying shades of terrible, graded according to intent. These less-than-ideal men keep hurting the women they should have protected.
My problem with the daughter-sacrifice theme is the same as my problem the rest of the show: it's exclusively about men. Daughters aren't people, they're glass sculptures for men to carry for 18 years, and what those men do with that piece of glass in that time tells you about the character of that man.
Who are Addison, Faroe, Emily, Samantha, Murdered Daughter Of A Senator, fuck even Sarah, if you take away the men who hurt them? Looking at just the text of Malevolent, none of the liveplay games lore or headcanons etc, there's little to nothing to these girls.
You're not invited to spend time inhabiting any woman's life like you are with Arthur (or John, to a significantly lesser extent). You can, and I do, but it feels like reading against the text because their lives are boring, horrible, difficult to parse, and they usually end in childbirth or femicide. It's fucking miserable!
The men are trapped in the same bleak, violent story, and a lot of them die graphically and onscreen, but most of them also get some combo of moments of triumph, personalities, voices, independence, quirks that narratively make that violence go down smoother. (Also smoother because there are so many fun and fascinating male characters)
Also, honestly, I don't enjoy how the theme is explored. It feels shallow and lame to me. I personally, as a listener, don't feel like this specific story has ~earned~ (in my personal, idiosyncratic, things-I-like-in-fiction, subjective assessment) exploring the horror of femicide when 1) there are zero normal, living female characters (Marie is very close, but no cigar); 2) all it seems to really say is basically… murder is bad (sometimes) (usually?) (sometimes, at least), and it's extra bad when men kill their dependent women?
Standard disclaimer that it ain't over 'til it's over, what we got is not great so far but it ain't over
Thank you again and I'd be so happy to continue this conversation if you want!
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