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Reaction image for tomorrow, for all those who celebrate.

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So, I know its been ages since you wrote Failed Step One (And Two (And Three)) but I had a question (Its Vase by the way, was re-skimming some chapters XD)

So, obviously Hawk Moth and Mayura's "Isolate Chloe long term. Foster resentment & paranoia in her. Orchestrate scenarios to nurture a feeling of rejection. Undermine her until she's at the breaking point. Then hold her parents hostage & Akumatize her" plan didn't happen in the fic.

But what do you think might happen if it did and or they tried?

Obviously some depends on when it happens in the story given both Chloe & Kagami brought each other to emotional breakdowns before they got themselves together XD

But like, if its post "They obviously have feelings for each other" at a minimum, do you think Chloe is more likely to resist and or be less bitter about Queen Bee? Especially as Kagami seems to have managed to keep her identity secret here so it would be less of a slap in the face if she was brought to fight Heart Hunter, or she might not be at all.

Or could it be that she'd manifest as a very different Akuma, or some mix of Miracle Queen and a duelist? Possibly defy Hawk Moth despite his control, or be low key all in on some revamped version of her canon plan. Though be it maybe with the prospect of Kagami as her personal knight, or rival, or spouse. Especially given that discussion we had about how she views relationships.

Sorry if this is rambling, thanks for your time.

I'll keep it real with you; I'm pretty sure I stopped keeping up with Miraculous sometime before that whole plotline happened, and I don't know all the details of what it entailed.

However. Considering what I know about Chloe, part of what makes it so plausible to isolate her and make her feel rejected is the fact that she really has no close friends. Her closest friends are Sabrina (who she mostly orders around), and Adrien (whose relationship with her is under constant stress because she's a jerk to all of his friends)

I don't think Kagami would make it impossible for Chloe to feel isolated or rejected, but Chloe probably would end up talking to her about all the fucked up stuff going on (probably to be angry about it), and having someone talk about it with her would certainly help.

Now, if there was some manufactured rejection from Kagami, that would be... A mess. (I mean, not least because I'm pretty sure the whole Sentimonster thing means Kagami could literally be ordered to leave her entirely alone again? But I digress). That one, it's a toss-up whether they'd handle it like grownups (because they actually do respect each other), or whether it would devolve into a bitter argument.

I think the most narratively interesting version of events here is the one where it goes bad, Chloe gets Akumatized, and Kagami goes, 'right, fuck this, I'm getting her back and we're going to have a proper talk about this.' And, because narratively, Kagami has the biggest stake in this, she's the one who brings Chloe down, and... the audience, seven-year-olds that they mostly are, learn a valuable lesson about the importance of communications in relationships... Though I suppose I'm mixing fanfiction aimed at an older audience with the show itself at that point.

In summary, I think poor communication, among other factors, mean that it would be very possible to still isolate her, even if she had at least one good relationship in her life, but it might be enough to save her from it too.

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Counterpoint: Did Kagami's blood type become relevant in that episode, or did she just say what it was? Because you can lie to a person about their blood type, and they probably won't have any reason or handy opportunities to contradict you.

Really stupid thought but you know how you always hear stories of people testing their blood type for fun and accidentally stumbling on family drama where their dad isnt their bio dad or something.

Imagine Adrien finding out hes a sentimonster because they do blood typing in science class

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Well you see, in spite of roundhouse kicking him in the ribs, she’s still a better parental candidate than Gabriel Agreste.

Nathalie and Adrien are family friends to business associates to enemies to family. How wild is that

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#I mean it was pretty clear already but will the kids ever know the way we debated over Hawky's identity?#the THEORIES we had#the twin brothers created#the physical comparisons made#the RAMIFICATIONS of the possibility for Adrien

So... Listen.  I just want to take this opportunity to say something I’ve had as a thought for a long time.

If the show was shot in such a way that we never saw Adrien transform into Chat Noir or vice versa?  If we didn’t have a relatively omniscient perspective on his identity?

I guarantee you we could have gone seasons with people still insisting that Adrien wasn’t Chat Noir.  Frankly, they might still be doing it.

Gotta love Disney+ spoiling Hawky's identity via subtitles

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Do note that I specified season 1.  Both Oblivio and Zombizou are from later seasons.  I don’t recall much in season 1 that directly pointed to them being together.

you know fandom's been infested by normies when someone's "what's the craziest, wackiest, most insane crack ship you've ever heard of??" post's answers are full of characters from the same show/series who have some sort of canon relationship with each other and/or semi-constant interactions

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Alright...

Step 2:  Nathalie discovers Chat Noir’s identity.

And now who do you side with?

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I’m assuming the Doylist explanation for that is that animating the interactions between the hair and the ears would take too much effort/money/time.

Chat Noir + Breaking the illusion (HIS HUMAN EARS!!) Requested by: @20053 Miraculous Ladybug

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Well, I was wrong.  It was one, massive cookie.

Okay, so we know something of what an uncontrolled Cataclysm can do, but as far as I know, we still have yet to even hear about an uncontrolled act of creation, so may I suggest (adjacent to that recent post with Marinette dunking on Tikki using Kirby) an uncontrolled Lucky Charm is just the plot of Cookie Clicker.

There are cookies, and then those cookies multiply, and spread, and steadily subsume the world.

Only cookies.

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Adrien:  Aw, Marinette, that’s so cool!  *kisses her on the cheek*

Marinette: 

And then Marinette psychs herself out for about a full week where she’s going along with this but, like... It’s Adrien.  Adrien does stuff like that without thinking about it, and it’s not like it means any more than how he normally acts... Right?  Alya disagrees, but Marinette is not easy to convince.

And then Adrien does something where she’s like ‘no, no, I can’t let him keep doing this if he doesn’t understand how much it matters to me’ and then there’s like...

The story branches.  In one version, due to a misunderstanding, Adrien thinks he’s misunderstood the whole situation, and believes that Marinette doesn’t actually like him, and there’s a whole thing.

Alternately, the branch is just like... 2 minutes of them staring at each other like... ‘Wait, you figured it out?’  ‘Wait, you didn’t figure it out?’ ‘Well, you didn’t figure it out for 3 years!’  ‘What do you mean three years!?’  Probably with Alya and Nino on the sidelines for flavor.

Adrien finally realizes that Marinette is in love with him and also that he is in love with Marinette, and decides to start dating her. However, because that realization used up his One Intelligent Thought for the day, it doesn’t occur to him that he actually needs to tell her this. He just starts acting like a boyfriend, with no context or explanation.

Poor Marinette is going to explode.

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Rain spattered against the window in a city that never slept.  It should have been dark, but the streetlights, the neverending flow of the city, made sure it could never happen.

I only had half a wedge of cheese left.  Brie; low quality stuff, but all I could get my hands on.

And then, from the dark hallway outside, she came in.

“Plagg, what are you doing?”

I downed the wedge of cheese.  Seemed she wanted something from me.  Seemed like people always did.

“Taking it easy, Sugarcube.”

She stared at me for a long, long second, and her eyes widened.

“Oh!  I’ll be right back, I need to get the right hat for this!”

She bolted like she’d heard there was a fire burning her home down.  Would’ve been typical in a city like this; it never had been a safe place.

Finally I found time to make a new Plagg art wearing a fedora for my new icon purpose. It's, of course, inspired by early scene from the first season 4 episode, in which Tikki is trying few hats on made my Marinette for her.

Why a fedora? Because I think fedoras as so cool.

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You know, I did write something similar, a few years back...

If Gabe wasn’t Hawk Moth I’d be begging Plagg to do this 

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Okay, so we know something of what an uncontrolled Cataclysm can do, but as far as I know, we still have yet to even hear about an uncontrolled act of creation, so may I suggest (adjacent to that recent post with Marinette dunking on Tikki using Kirby) an uncontrolled Lucky Charm is just the plot of Cookie Clicker.

There are cookies, and then those cookies multiply, and spread, and steadily subsume the world.

Only cookies.

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A persons fanfic tells you a lot about them, i , a fanfic writer, realize in terror

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Okay.

Hang on.

Now I’ve been roped into this, I’m rapidly being forced to confront how fucking weird the room he’s keeping Emilie in is.

Like... the tree?  Not natural.

The design?  Not normal for a house.  Look at the rust on the walls, the vast, open space, the walkway and the girders.

And the Butterfly Window.

Now, in Chat Blanc, if memory serves, Ladybug and Chat Noir came in from above.  Additionally, I don’t believe that Adrien had any idea that Hawkmoth was his father, which would be pretty borked if they were under the mansion at the time, or, indeed, inside it.

So, we’ve got a picture of a quite old room, with some kind of stasis chamber in it, that’s disconnected from the mansion to some extent.  My guess is that this is something built by or for a previous Butterfly user, based on the aesthetics.  I’m prepared to believe that the room Emilie is stored in is somewhere near the mansion, maybe even under the grounds, but not actually connected to it.  My guess is, like, somewhere in the early to mid industrial era, there was a Butterfly Miraculous user who had that room built.  Maybe to store themselves in, maybe for some other reason.

The Butterfly dispersal room, meanwhile, we can see the city outside, and the Butterflies always seem to be above the rooftops.  I suggest that it is at the top of the manor, specifically on the back of one of these two domes.

In this case, the butterfly pattern on the window is because, as we’ve established, that’s his brand.  His designs literally incorporate butterflies because, uh...  he’s as subtle as Dracula going by Alucard.

Likewise, while I thought it was a dome

That corner looks suspiciously squared off to me.

This bit is crucial because having a window with that design is actually mostly reasonable when it’s basically your logo.  You could even tell the builder that the metal aperture is a security measure (which, honestly, it’s on par with his other stuff).

Or, maybe, there’s just a Butterfly Hideout that already existed and he built a wonkavator to get himself to it on demand.  I don’t know.

Weird but I checked some screenshots of the Agreste mansion but there’s no round window, and it’s supposed to be a HUGE round window.

And if we look closely, his lair is more of a dome whereas the mansion has a combination of convex/straight roofs.

The only thing I can think of is that his elevator may lead him to a different house/area for his lair because no way it can fit in their mansion 🙅🏻‍♀️

new theory: those two big windows actually connect. whichever room he's *not* in in the one where he keeps the brightest lights on. he releases his akuma into Emilie's room, and then it has to take the elevator all the way back up to find its victims.