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Look, I dont know a lot about saints and Catholicism, but I know St. Agatha is always depicted with her breasts on a plate, and that’s sure something

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Can I be fr? I feel like this section of "why does he do that" is not highlighted/talked about nearly enough. Like. It genuinely shines a whole different light on people who make it sound like female on male abuse is just as common as the reverse.

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While we are on the Imane Khlief, here are four lessons I have learnt:

I will stop using the terms AFAB and AMAB unless it has to do with male/female people with DSDs because I have noticed that we have co-opted these terms in the gender discourse, and we have totally forgotten that these terms are sex-specific. AFAB is a term used to describe MALE people whose sex was wrongly observed at birth. It is not a FEMALE exclusive term, female people are not AFAB. We are not Intersex/have DSDs; we, like other TRA, should stop co-opting DSD-specific language. It is really mudding the waters.

Either the Olympics is male and female or male and female (female and male DSDs). This essentially means that the female category is mixed sex forever; if it is the latter you want, you need to state that clearly. It is not to say that all male people with DSDs should not be treated with some level of accommodation; it is just saying that in this ONE facet of life, you can eat your cake and have it. It is sad, but being in the Olympics or a professional athlete is a privilege, not a human right. And all the women screaming that these male people with DSDs have female socialisation, if there is one thing 'women' (the social role, I mean) are good at doing is compromising. This, I think, is a fair compromise.

All our anger should be directed at the IOC and demanding them to bring back DNA tests to keep women's sports XX (female), not at radfems or at Imane or Lu-Ting. All of this 'he said' (IBA) and 'she said' (IOC) nonsense could have been avoided if institutions were not hell-bent on gaslighting women into thinking we don't exist as a sex class. Please read the post by @quinntheestallion on crazy-making. It explains this phenomenon very well. Women are responding to this angrily because, for the last decade, institutions have been making it their objective to gaslight women that we don't exist as a sex class. Also, if you see women's reactions and start getting angry at GC or Radfems for being upset or for 'not being nuanced enough or neutral' or whatever you want to say from your high horse, then you are siding with these abusive institutions that are psychologically abusing women. It's really hard to be 'rational' (not angry or erratic) when confronting an abuser.

All in all, whatever comes out of this situation, best believe that when the IOC brings back sex testing to ensure fairness for women in sports, it was not because of nuance or by having a detached/neutral position. It will be because of the ruckus caused by JKR and other GC and radfem women. Radfems, please be reminded that: “Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people oppressing them.” So all these 'bad', 'mean' women who don't understand the 'nuances' of socialisation or whatever (even though when you are playing sports you aren't playing with someone's socialisation) are the ones that will secure your daughters and granddaughters and even great-granddaughter, the right to single-sex sports.

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While we are on the Imane Khlief, here are four lessons I have learnt:

I will stop using the terms AFAB and AMAB unless it has to do with male/female people with DSDs because I have noticed that we have co-opted these terms in the gender discourse, and we have totally forgotten that these terms are sex-specific. AFAB is a term used to describe MALE people whose sex was wrongly observed at birth. It is not a FEMALE exclusive term, female people are not AFAB. We are not Intersex/have DSDs; we, like other TRA, should stop co-opting DSD-specific language. It is really mudding the waters.

Either the Olympics is male and female or male and female (female and male DSDs). This essentially means that the female category is mixed sex forever; if it is the latter you want, you need to state that clearly. This is not to say that all male people with DSDs should not be treated with some level of accommodation; it is just saying that in this ONE facet of life, you cannot eat your cake and have it. It is sad, but being in the Olympics or a professional athlete is a privilege, not a human right. And all the women screaming that these male people with DSDs have female socialisation, if there is one thing 'women' (the social role, I mean) are good at doing is compromising. This, I think, is a fair compromise.

All our anger should be directed at the IOC and demanding them to bring back DNA tests to keep women's sports XX (female), not at radfems or at Imane or Lu-Ting. All of this 'he said' (IBA) and 'she said' (IOC) nonsense could have been avoided if institutions were not hell-bent on gaslighting women into thinking we don't exist as a sex class. Please read the post by @quinntheestallion on crazy-making. It explains this phenomenon very well. Women are responding to this angrily because, for the last decade, institutions have been making it their objective to gaslight women that we don't exist as a sex class. Also, if you see women's reactions and start getting angry at GC or Radfems for being upset or for 'not being nuanced enough or neutral' or whatever you want to say from your high horse, then you are siding with these abusive institutions that are psychologically abusing women. It's really hard to be 'rational' (not angry or erratic) when confronting an abuser.

All in all, whatever comes out of this situation, best believe that when the IOC brings back sex testing to ensure fairness for women in sports, it was not because of nuance or by having a detached/neutral position. It will be because of the ruckus caused by JKR and other GC and radfem women. Radfems, please be reminded that: “Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people oppressing them.” So all these 'bad', 'mean' women who don't understand the 'nuances' of socialisation or whatever (even though when you are playing sports you aren't playing with someone's socialisation) are the ones that will secure your daughters and granddaughters and even great-granddaughter, the right to single-sex sports.

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TERFs looking hysterical over the Iman Khelif situation reminds me of how much the TERF/TRA dynamic mirrors interpersonal abuse. Crazymaking is a key feature of emotional and psychological abuse: "Crazy making in relationships is a subtle dynamic that can leave you full of self doubt, wondering if you might be going crazy. Crazy making is a form of emotional abuse involving things such as mind games, intended to make you question yourself. It destabilises your confidence and slowly allows the other person to gain more control over you and the relationship.Thoughts such as “Is it just me?”, “Am I imagining things?” and “I am not sure anymore of what is wrong or right” all suggest that you might be in a crazy making relationship.

I've said repeatedly that making women explain basic facts of their corporeal reality over and over again was a distinct form of psychological terrorism. Make no mistake, after being a victimized on the basis of sex for thousands of years, having to explain from scratch what sex is and why it's important is a potent act of dominance and psychological abuse being inflicted on women. For this reason, people engaging in these debates need to extra take care of their mental and emotional health.

If women were respected and sporting bodies could be trusted to ensure fairness, the IOC would already have tests and structures in place to differentiate between DSD males and females and would have aptly identified which disorders don't negate male advantage and put things in place to address those issues.

But the entire concept of "male advantage" itself is considered a non-issue by transfeminists. Reality denial and gaslighting has been a feature of this issue since day one. The outrageous idea that only T levels matter (of which, natal males in women's sport are allowed a minimum Tlevel far above what natal females are allowed) is part of that gaslighting.

Women have no reason to trust sporting bodies give a shit about fairness for women. And the fact that women's ability to trust their perceptions is increasingly being tampered with is not an accident.

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“Making women seem anti-sex and joyless if we want the right to be sexual without being humiliated or hurt, and making men seem wimpy and undersexed if they prefer cooperation to domination, is clearly the tactic of choice for isolating anybody who tries to separate sexuality from violence and domination — which is a challenge to male dominance at its heart.”

— Gloria Steinem, Preface of “Outrageous Acts and Everday Rebellions” (2nd ed., 1995)

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Something is different this time with JK Rowling’s ugly comments regarding Imane Khelif and Lin Yu Ting. Both of whom are cis women and have identified as women since their birth.

It’s the first time I’m seeing more of the general public reacting with “You don’t know what you’re talking about. Stop being so weird and obsessive.”

Reaction to this has been particularly strong in Taiwan.

‘Gender Critics’ aren’t even being gender critical now. They are being gender enforcers for women they perceive to be outside the norm.

And it’s good to see people recognising this creepiness for what it actually is. Frothing at the mouth at every little thing will turn the public away from you.

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Kind of maddening how the people debunking the rumor that Khelif is an XY DSD male keep saying she was raised as a female from birth, competed in women's competitions and has "female" on her official documents. But being raised "as female", competing in women's sports for a long time and having "female" on your documents is not the same thing as being XX biologically female? It's like they're deliberately skirting around what's actually being asked?

And the response to reports of the president of the IBA saying Khelif was disqualified for being XY is to discredit the entire organization as "corrupt" but they aren't actually explicitly stating his statement on Khelif being XY was inaccurate? Unclear on if what's actually being called "corrupt": did the president of the IBA lie about their sex because he wanted to disqualify them to fix the competition? Or is the corruption in question in the form of "challenging someone's gender/sex"? Considering TRA views on single sex sports, it could very well be the later.

I'm just saying-to the radfems who accept this, you do realize there's currently an entire generation of males and who are being raised "as female" and, thanks to laws obliterating women's legal identities, are going to have the word "female" on all official documents, right?

In the future are we going to be conceding that "woman" is a life history and trail of legal documents not an explicit biological category defined by XX? If that's the case, seems like TRAs will eventually win in the long haul, I guess.

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Get off my page if it keeps making you so disappointed, fr. Cus all this isn't going to make me stop saying what I'm saying. I'm still right.

This one goes out to all the TRA. Cutting off a man's penis and inverting it or cutting off a woman's forearm and attaching it to her closed-off clitoris is not life-saving or kind. It is punishing GNC people for not conforming to gender and sending a message to all other gender conformists that this is what will happen to you if you step out of line.

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This one goes out to all the TRA. Cutting off a man's penis and inverting it or cutting off a woman's forearm and attaching it to her closed-off clitoris is not life-saving or kind. It is punishing GNC people for not conforming to gender and sending a message to all other gender conformists that this is what will happen to you if you step out of line.

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Cool story, bro. You are still wrong, tho.

This one goes out to all the TRA. Cutting off a man's penis and inverting it or cutting off a woman's forearm and attaching it to her closed-off clitoris is not life-saving or kind. It is punishing GNC people for not conforming to gender and sending a message to all other gender conformists that this is what will happen to you if you step out of line.

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I'm not a terf. I am a radical feminist. I include trans men (women who identify as trans) and non-binary-identified female people. You, like every other person that calls me a bigot, are mad that I don't include your favourite type of man- trans-identified males (transwomen) in my politics. Stay mad about it.

This one goes out to all the TRA. Cutting off a man's penis and inverting it or cutting off a woman's forearm and attaching it to her closed-off clitoris is not life-saving or kind. It is punishing GNC people for not conforming to gender and sending a message to all other gender conformists that this is what will happen to you if you step out of line.

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I'll bite. If women are people with an innate attraction to performing femininity and find comfort in performing femininity. Then how are women oppressed? Are women oppressed because we just want to perform femininity? Then why is the patriarchy so hell-bent on having women perform femininity? In this hypothetical world where women are oppressed because we just want to perform our innate femininity, then GNC women and lesbians are highly privileged. However, they are not.

The idea that women are oppressed because we are feminine is rooted in the perspective of male people who have been shamed because of their feminine behaviour. It is not the root of female oppression. This sort of thinking helps only to reify the patriarchal conceptualisation of women as feminine subjects and reduce female class consciousness. Stifling the ability of women to critique male people as a class and understand their oppression by male people in a meaningful way.

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Bro, this is so real! Again, all they talk about are the aesthetics, which are symbols of gender, and like all postmodernists, symbols don't symbolise anything. In all those cultures where men wore makeup and skirts, women were still being bought and sold as property, and in many of them, if not all of them, women were subjected to male dominance. Masculinity has meant the same thing it has meant today since it was socially conceptualised amongst male people- dominance, leadership, assertiveness, and complete subjectivity. In which society on this earth have men been socially reproduced as passive, receptive objects that exist simply for sex, sexuality and reproduction. None; only in very few cultures are there men that are treated like this, and they are gay or not seen as masculine enough.

The symbol changes, but what it symbolises stays the same.

The more I debate with TRAs, the more I realise that they genuinely believe that masculinity and feminity DO NOT exist as social concepts but rather as individual traits that can be mixed and matched and then attached to a word. For example, talking to a transman, I asked them what masculinity is, and they responded with "it is whatever you want it to be" or a good one I always hear is "masculinity means different things to different people".

TRAs genuinely believe that the concepts of masculinity and femininity are traits that are just attached to words. These words are empty vessels that THEY attach meaning to. They aren't defining a word; they are describing THEMSELVES. So when you ask a Trans person, "What are masculinity and femininity?" to them the question is received as "Describe who you are? or Describe yourself?" Thus, why, gender is something that is/can mean anything to anybody.

They have no structural conceptualisation of gender because, to them, gender is not a tool or even an ideology. It is the self. So when radfems say "woman is not a gender" or "women are adult human females," they cannot conceptualise or even grasp this because, to them, gender is the self. How can women be with the 'self'?

If you are Trans and reading this, you are describing gender as a personality. LMAO.

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Femininity has nothing to do with being female, hope that helps

The more I debate with TRAs, the more I realise that they genuinely believe that masculinity and feminity DO NOT exist as social concepts but rather as individual traits that can be mixed and matched and then attached to a word. For example, talking to a transman, I asked them what masculinity is, and they responded with "it is whatever you want it to be" or a good one I always hear is "masculinity means different things to different people".

TRAs genuinely believe that the concepts of masculinity and femininity are traits that are just attached to words. These words are empty vessels that THEY attach meaning to. They aren't defining a word; they are describing THEMSELVES. So when you ask a Trans person, "What are masculinity and femininity?" to them the question is received as "Describe who you are? or Describe yourself?" Thus, why, gender is something that is/can mean anything to anybody.

They have no structural conceptualisation of gender because, to them, gender is not a tool or even an ideology. It is the self. So when radfems say "woman is not a gender" or "women are adult human females," they cannot conceptualise or even grasp this because, to them, gender is the self. How can women be with the 'self'?

If you are Trans and reading this, you are describing gender as a personality. LMAO.

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“Pornography also eroticizes male supremacy. It makes dominance and subordination feel like sex; it makes hierarchy feel like sex; it makes force and violence feel like sex; it makes hate and terrorism feel like sex; it makes inequality feel like sex. Pornography keeps sexism sexy. It keeps sexism necessary for some people to have sexual feelings. It makes reciprocity make you go limp. It makes mutuality leave you cold. It makes tenderness and intimacy and caring make you feel like you’re going to disappear into a void. It makes justice the opposite of erotic; it makes injustice a sexual thrill.”

— -John Stoltenberg 

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This one goes out to all the TRA. Cutting off a man's penis and inverting it or cutting off a woman's forearm and attaching it to her closed-off clitoris is not life-saving or kind. It is punishing GNC people for not conforming to gender and sending a message to all other gender conformists that this is what will happen to you if you step out of line.