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Hi genuine question why do you believe Ivan’s feelings weren’t unrequited especially after the portrayal of their relationship in Karma? I love the ship but to me it always felt like it was one that could only work in different circumstances

Hi!! I'm glad that you asked, and I'll be happy to explain. If my explanation isn't satisfying, clear, or if an argument doesn't clearly stand, I encourage responses and questions too!

Is IvanTill unrequited?

-> Unrequited means that the relationship and love is one sided, and I understand why some may think so after heart scene in Karma. Ivan is literally shoving his love down till's throat, how can anyone say that it's mutual?

Firstly, I believe that we've been given many things that Till does like Ivan back, and I'll get to them soon enough.

But know this: Till's feelings are more implied than blatantly shown.

The problem in the relationship isn't that Till doesn't like Ivan back, it's that Till doesn't understand Ivan's feelings.

He doesn't understand Ivan at all.

We've seen many instances where Ivan gets violent, rough, and rude, only to follow it with gentleness and care.

-> Does Ivan like, or hate him? Till expresses his confusion in his own solo, ''Mi Vida Loca'', which was meant for Mizi (on the surface) and Ivan (internally). Precisely, during the chorus, the line, ''Don't you hate me?'' expresses his confusion.

There's also a certain instance in round 6 where Ivan wipes some blood off of Till's cut on his cheek, and till was about to snap at him until he realizes it was Ivan (gentleness), and then Ivan licks the blood (violence).

-> In addition, let's even talk about THAT scene in Karma.

Till is writhing underneath him, Ivan is trying to give him something gentle (love) with violence that Till doesn't understand, just like in the kiss scene during round 6, he's more confused than hurt, angered, or disgusted. He's distressed.

-> I think that their relationship portrays more a two-sided rejection. Of themselves, of each other, and of their love. They don't know how to communicate, and that ends up feeding Ivan's self-deprivation, and Till's fear and escapism.

Then again, Ivan wants a certain type of love that Till can't yet give, and vice versa. It's why I believe that it's more of 'unrealized romance' than unrequited.

There was potential, it could have happened, but it didn't.

It's Ivan that ends up shattering the heart, his teeth digging into the glass and letting the sharps explode between the two of them.

->Besides, if we squint, we can notice that as soon as Ivan shows Till his love, he immediately crushes it and paints it in a bad light before till gets even the chance to comprehend it.

''Yes, but that doesn't really show that Till likes Ivan?''

Sure, but now that we got out of the way that the tragedy isn't exactly the relationship being unrequited, but in the inability to properly understand and communicate their feelings, I think that we can move forward to that.

-> During Karma, once again, we can see in this particular instance that Till and Ivan are facing each other, yet Till is upside down, and that enforces my take on him being confused. If it was truly unrequited, I believe that he'd be facing away.

->Now, as for other instances, there are many details and comics I could cite.

Till's pupils dilating when Ivan pulls him forward during round 6

His photo card saying ''Hatred is easier than love''

Many small comics and small drawings during events where he was shown flustered, Ivan and mizi on each side of him, while asked ''which one do you like?''

Till not minding Ivan's clinginess, and we could go as far as to say that he welcomes it and expects it.

Till trying to draw Ivan's eye after round 6, or his own eyes reflecting Ivan's red pupils.

It's 2 in the morning, but I'd have written more arguments, but if this isn't enough or not convincing enough, I could try my best to make another analysis again.

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Yes, it made sense that Till turned out to be alive,

No, it wasn't fan service.

Yes, it made sense for Alien Stage to have a hopeful ending.

No, Alien Stage wasn't complicated or tricky to understand.

Yes, Ivan tried to shove his love down till's throat.

No, their love wasn't unrequited.

Yes, Mizi let Sua sacrifice herself for her.

No, she's not manipulative, villainous, or traitorous.

I'm a blog that loves to complain, and especially explain, don't hesitate to ask

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Black are those who try to give love, yet fail

It wasn't weak, not in the slightest

But perhaps its beholder was

But perhaps its receiver was

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To love....

...and be loved

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Luka's gonna sing until he reaches his sixties

''Luka's back-'' is aching y'all, give him a break, he just got his ass handed to him

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The fact that Sua purposefully gave Mizi her lines,

Rehearsed her death every night,

Couldn't tolerate seeing Mizi hurt,

Refused to let go of her,

And died for her.

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I know my love was different from yours

But...

it was love, too!

Who could really blame me?

If you'd seen the look on her face,

You wouldn't be able to judge me either!

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Till laughing while I was choking on my sobs and having a stroke was not on my bingo card

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I'm sorry, Vivinos, despite knowing and following you for 4 years, it seems that I was still not familiar with your game.

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The fact that Ivan only started smiling when Till grasped his hand and beamed at him

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MIZISUA'S KISS!!! WE GOT THEIR KISS!! KISSING TWICE!! TENDERLY! SOFTLY! HAPPILY!

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How it felt like when announcing that the delulu till is alive truthers (I was one of them), were perhaps not so wrong after all

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Hello! I'm kind of new here, since I made this blog... approximately two minutes ago? I really wanted to make a new blog to be able to talk more freely about book reviews, and rant about them.

Here's a small introduction: I'm Det, a student, a reader, and a passionate writer that got bored of her notes app that's weeping from being filled to the brim, and who decided to try and find new fellow book enjoyers instead!

Since I doubt that posting random book reviews will get me anywhere, ( because the whole point of this blog is to talk with anyone about reading), I want to kind of try getting questions or asks from anyone, really, who read/is reading/will read a book and wishes to talk about it.

Whether it's because you're frustrated, confused, saddened, or very happy, I want to know and understand the various opinions of other readers !

I could also read the book and give a review, with or without stars, with or without critics. I could also try to analyze the characters of your choice and try to discuss any themes that figures in the story. Perhaps even make theories for future books if it's a series, or read it with you if you simply want a reading partner :))

I hope this actually reaches someone, I promise I don't bite (I'm nervous myself) and that I'm not annoying (debatable), but I'll try my hardest to be active on this blog!

Thank you for reading all of that, don't be shy (I'm begging you) and colonize my page, please.