#ivantill doomed

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Hi genuine question why do you believe Ivan’s feelings weren’t unrequited especially after the portrayal of their relationship in Karma? I love the ship but to me it always felt like it was one that could only work in different circumstances

Hi!! I'm glad that you asked, and I'll be happy to explain. If my explanation isn't satisfying, clear, or if an argument doesn't clearly stand, I encourage responses and questions too!

Is IvanTill unrequited?

-> Unrequited means that the relationship and love is one sided, and I understand why some may think so after heart scene in Karma. Ivan is literally shoving his love down till's throat, how can anyone say that it's mutual?

Firstly, I believe that we've been given many things that Till does like Ivan back, and I'll get to them soon enough.

But know this: Till's feelings are more implied than blatantly shown.

The problem in the relationship isn't that Till doesn't like Ivan back, it's that Till doesn't understand Ivan's feelings.

He doesn't understand Ivan at all.

We've seen many instances where Ivan gets violent, rough, and rude, only to follow it with gentleness and care.

-> Does Ivan like, or hate him? Till expresses his confusion in his own solo, ''Mi Vida Loca'', which was meant for Mizi (on the surface) and Ivan (internally). Precisely, during the chorus, the line, ''Don't you hate me?'' expresses his confusion.

There's also a certain instance in round 6 where Ivan wipes some blood off of Till's cut on his cheek, and till was about to snap at him until he realizes it was Ivan (gentleness), and then Ivan licks the blood (violence).

-> In addition, let's even talk about THAT scene in Karma.

Till is writhing underneath him, Ivan is trying to give him something gentle (love) with violence that Till doesn't understand, just like in the kiss scene during round 6, he's more confused than hurt, angered, or disgusted. He's distressed.

-> I think that their relationship portrays more a two-sided rejection. Of themselves, of each other, and of their love. They don't know how to communicate, and that ends up feeding Ivan's self-deprivation, and Till's fear and escapism.

Then again, Ivan wants a certain type of love that Till can't yet give, and vice versa. It's why I believe that it's more of 'unrealized romance' than unrequited.

There was potential, it could have happened, but it didn't.

It's Ivan that ends up shattering the heart, his teeth digging into the glass and letting the sharps explode between the two of them.

->Besides, if we squint, we can notice that as soon as Ivan shows Till his love, he immediately crushes it and paints it in a bad light before till gets even the chance to comprehend it.

''Yes, but that doesn't really show that Till likes Ivan?''

Sure, but now that we got out of the way that the tragedy isn't exactly the relationship being unrequited, but in the inability to properly understand and communicate their feelings, I think that we can move forward to that.

-> During Karma, once again, we can see in this particular instance that Till and Ivan are facing each other, yet Till is upside down, and that enforces my take on him being confused. If it was truly unrequited, I believe that he'd be facing away.

->Now, as for other instances, there are many details and comics I could cite.

Till's pupils dilating when Ivan pulls him forward during round 6

His photo card saying ''Hatred is easier than love''

Many small comics and small drawings during events where he was shown flustered, Ivan and mizi on each side of him, while asked ''which one do you like?''

Till not minding Ivan's clinginess, and we could go as far as to say that he welcomes it and expects it.

Till trying to draw Ivan's eye after round 6, or his own eyes reflecting Ivan's red pupils.

It's 2 in the morning, but I'd have written more arguments, but if this isn't enough or not convincing enough, I could try my best to make another analysis again. Thank you for the ask!!

[kuzoowl]

In another life...? 🌱 

[kanofspam]

so round 7 guys.

[cara-mel5]

me when that one couple doomed by the narrative say i love you without saying i love you (i will be crying over them for several months)

[lonelykamui]

me, just chilling on twitter, oh! Whats this alien stage thing? .

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oh no.

[otlwoozi]

놓치고 십지 않아, 부디 내게 상처를 내줘.

i don't want to let you go, please, leave me scars.

[ctrlzxoo]

what if Ivan took the tape off of Till during Top 3?

(aka. the ANAKT kids learned what kisses meant to humans)

[justanon-believer]

"They are my comfort couple." When there's nothing comforting in them . Basically they are —

They. Are. Doomed. By. The. Narrative.

Is a kind of flex . I have that one. I like to call it mentally ill rizz.

Swallowing myself in sadness alone is boring. Join me in the mentally ill association, mortals .

[fyoratatatt]

One more— but with ivantill🧏😛

“he was your universe, but was he yours?”

[crypt-ick]

When the sorrow is black or whatever

[kuzoowl]

NOWHERE... 🥀

[wrenfeathers]

group photo!

[cloudcastor]

"let me drown myself in you"

round 6 changed me....

[numberoneredriotfan]

Nuzzling is such an underrated form of physical affection. Imagine you don't know how else to express how much you love the person other than being as close to them as possible. To feel the other's warmth against yours. Underrated.

[lotus-pear]

till's straight asf i would've made out with ivan first

[starriebug]

🥀“I will poison all your happy thoughts”🦷

“I will ruin you”

Revamp: