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Has anyone made a collection of mcu scenes where it's crystal clear that the actors have no idea what the f*ck they are doing 🌝

nope! the only compilations i could find on youtube were ones titled something like "10 times mcu actors went off script". i think the mcu stans don't find anything wrong with it? maybe they even think it's funny (spoiler alert: it isn't. it's actually disturbing)

but if you hold on a bit i think i might do one

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Really sorry if this makes you uncomfortable but what's up with chalamet? The kinda-mcu-related thing I know about this guy is him saying sth like not wanting to act in superheroes films, so no need to worry I guess 😅

haha doesn't make uncomfortable! you're fine :D

so i'm sure that chalamet is a perfectly fine person. i have nothing against him personally. there's just,,, something about him, y’know? i think it's because he's just another white guy that is obsessed over by people online

also he was in call me by your name (gross)

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As a WOC, dealing with racist white woman MCU stans is so fucking frustrating! Every time any critique comes up, so many of them jump straight to calling critics angry sexist white man comic book fans, and it's like, WOC and other POC read comics too! Not all critiques of the MCU are rooted in sexism! Stanning the MCU isn't activism or feminism! And I avoid white dudebro online spaces, which leaves places like tumblr where most racism ends up coming from white women tbh

i'm so sorry. i am white, so i can't say that i've been personally affected by this, but i've certainly seen a whole lot of it of racism in the mcu fandom. (un)surprisingly, i've seen more racism come from the young(er) white queer stans than the "angry sexist white men"

obviously, there is a fair amount of racism in the mcu reddit posts, although the mods do a pretty good job with cracking down on that. mcu stans keep praising mcu movies for diversity and yet consistently, in a movie with a Black lead, love the white lead/supporting character even more.

falcon and the winter soldier: the vast majority of the posts on tumblr either focus on bucky or sam AND bucky. i am this close to blocking the "bucky barnes" tag, even though i love him, because i am SICK of constantly seeing him instead of sam

what if: peggy carter is captain america?? she's british! and then when you bring it up people attack you for being sexist, when really most of the people pointing it out were saying they wanted isaiah bradley to be captain america

wanda maximoff: same as above. you point out elizabeth olsen's racism and how a romani character is played by a white actress and suddenly you're being accused of misogyny

eternals: do you know how many stans i saw praising the film for its diversity? and yet who are the favorites? the white characters

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a. Mandatory Spider-Man Character Traits. Spider-Man (whether Peter Parker or an alternative Spider-Man character) must always strictly conform to the following "Mandatory Character Traits":

Male

Does not torture*

Does not kill unless in defense of self or others*

Does not use foul language beyond PG-13

Does not smoke tobacco*

Does not sell/distribute illegal drugs*

Does not abuse alcohol*

Does not have sex before the age of 16, does not have sex with anyone below the age of 16

Not a homosexual (unless Marvel has portrayed that alter ego as a homosexual) image id continued after cut (it got long)

b. Peter Parker Character Traits. Depiction of Peter Parker or his Spider-Man alter ego must conform to the following character traits:

His full name is Peter Benjamin Parker.

He is Caucasian and heterosexual.

His parents become absent from his life during his childhood.

From the time his parents become absent he is raised by Aunt May and Uncle Ben in New York City

He gains his powers while attending either middle school or college.

He gains his powers from being bitten by a spider

He designs his first red and blue costume.

The black costume is a symbiote and is not designed by him

He is raised in a middle class household in Queens, New York

He attends or attended high school in Queens, New York, and he attends or attended college in New York City, New York.

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sources:

The Amazing Spider-Man (comic strip)

The Unheroic Life of Stan Lee

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby: who did what?

Stan Lee Biography Reveals the Darker Side of a Marvel Icon

Marvel Finally Admits Jack Kirby Co-Wrote Fantastic Four #1

Stan Lee: Spider-Man should stay white and straight

This is something I've been thinking about for awhile, but I feel like while Stan Lee has always been on a pedestal since he branded himself as a Walt Disney-esque figure, I remember it was easier to find more nuanced attitudes that acknowledged his flaws and how he screwed over artists like Jack Kirby before the MCU; but MCU stans act like he's a godly religious figure above criticism, and like he single-handedly created every Marvel character ever, nevermind his co-artists or actual creators.

i ended up doing a read more link because this got longer than i expected. i would also like to apologize to you, anon, for the huge delay in answering this ask

tl;dr: stan lee certainly did a lot of incredible things, but we do have to acknowledge that he was a human. not to say that all humans make awful, awful mistakes, but that one should always be hesitant to put a human on a pedestal. attacking people for pointing out his wrongs and misdoings doesn't change the fact that he had committed wrongs and misdoings

stan lee constantly downplayed the contribution of his co-creators, most notably larry lieber (his brother), steve ditko, and, as you mentioned, jack kirby

larry lieber is in part responsible for the creation of ant-man, iron man, and thor. he illustrated most of the amazing spider-man (by that i mean the daily comic strip)

steve ditko co-created spider-man and doctor strange. ditko said in an interview that lee only created the name (spider-man) and ditko created the costume, the web shooters, and the spider signal. he also developed him into the angsty young man that has consistently been one of peter's main characteristics

jack kirby is arguably the one stan lee wronged the most in terms of comic book creations. nowadays, many people (mcu fans) believe lee to be at least partially responsible for the creation of captain america, when in reality it was kirby and joe simon. that isn't necessarily lee's fault, but he never did anything to dissuade that particular opinion. it can be argued that the fantastic four, the hulk, and black panther were created almost solely by kirby, even though most people (mcu fans) believe lee to be the main creator

marvel comics wouldn't be where it is without stan lee, but it also wouldn't be where it is without larry lieber, steve ditko, jack kirby, and countless other creators and artists

stan lee also liked to label himself as a caring and accepting man, but, well, he is partly responsible for this:

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i'd like to end this with a quote from the Are They Gay? - Deadpool and Spider-Man (Spideypool) video:

[image id: a black and white photo of stan lee with the text "he existed" 1922-2018]

along with an image id for the first photo in a reblog, i will include my sources

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This is something I've been thinking about for awhile, but I feel like while Stan Lee has always been on a pedestal since he branded himself as a Walt Disney-esque figure, I remember it was easier to find more nuanced attitudes that acknowledged his flaws and how he screwed over artists like Jack Kirby before the MCU; but MCU stans act like he's a godly religious figure above criticism, and like he single-handedly created every Marvel character ever, nevermind his co-artists or actual creators.

i ended up doing a read more link because this got longer than i expected. i would also like to apologize to you, anon, for the huge delay in answering this ask

tl;dr: stan lee certainly did a lot of incredible things, but we do have to acknowledge that he was a human. not to say that all humans make awful, awful mistakes, but that one should always be hesitant to put a human on a pedestal. attacking people for pointing out his wrongs and misdoings doesn't change the fact that he had committed wrongs and misdoings

stan lee constantly downplayed the contribution of his co-creators, most notably larry lieber (his brother), steve ditko, and, as you mentioned, jack kirby

larry lieber is in part responsible for the creation of ant-man, iron man, and thor. he illustrated most of the amazing spider-man (by that i mean the daily comic strip)

steve ditko co-created spider-man and doctor strange. ditko said in an interview that lee only created the name (spider-man) and ditko created the costume, the web shooters, and the spider signal. he also developed him into the angsty young man that has consistently been one of peter's main characteristics

jack kirby is arguably the one stan lee wronged the most in terms of comic book creations. nowadays, many people (mcu fans) believe lee to be at least partially responsible for the creation of captain america, when in reality it was kirby and joe simon. that isn't necessarily lee's fault, but he never did anything to dissuade that particular opinion. it can be argued that the fantastic four, the hulk, and black panther were created almost solely by kirby, even though most people (mcu fans) believe lee to be the main creator

marvel comics wouldn't be where it is without stan lee, but it also wouldn't be where it is without larry lieber, steve ditko, jack kirby, and countless other creators and artists

stan lee also liked to label himself as a caring and accepting man, but, well, he is partly responsible for this:

will reblog with image id

i'd like to end this with a quote from the Are They Gay? - Deadpool and Spider-Man (Spideypool) video:

[image id: a black and white photo of stan lee with the text "he existed" 1922-2018]

along with an image id for the first photo in a reblog, i will include my sources

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I hate how much MCU fans pull other comic characters into the MCU. Like I’m searching for x-men stuff and one of the top characters will be tony stark?? Wtf?? And I hesitate to completely exclude the tag bc if it’s 616!tony and he’s a minor character that’s fine, I don’t care, but I don’t want irondad fics to be a majority of what’s showing up when I’m looking for xmen fics.

Same for non xmen characters like the fantastic four, I was looking at the doctor doom tag and tony stark is also one of the top characters?? Eww

It’s really frustrating when some super popular fandom/fanon-take (by that I mean something like irondad) takes over a tag so much that the people who are actually searching for the thing have a hard time finding it

Also I feel so bad for people who love 616!peter Parker like it must be hard to find stuff for him that’s unconnected to the MCU

yeah, there's a vast amount of fics about stark in like. any marvel fandom. if you filter out the character tag "Tony Stark" on the fandom "X-Men - All Media Types", about 1,000 fics are excluded. similarly with "Fantastic Four - All Media Types", you lose about 550 fics. it's not,,, a whole lot, i guess (5% of x-men contain stark and 23% of f4 contain stark), but still. annoying

god, don't even get me started on peter parker. i'm pretty sure i've made it obvious that peter parker is my favorite character, not just in marvel comics, but probably in all comics (second place is tied: felicia hardy and miles morales). i am SICK of the, i am hesitant to call it this, but i think it fits, woobification of peter parker, and the vast majority of that started with his introduction into the mcu

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Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse

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i know i've been absent for awhile, and apologies about that! the return to in-person school is... ugh, to put it mildly. i started this blog in october (or november? maybe even december!) of 2020 as a way to combat my frustration with the mcu and engage myself because online lectures are very boring

anyways, that means that most likely i'll be less present on this blog, especially since finals are coming up

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I’m honestly glad that is Harry probably isn’t in mcu ( if Norman was saying the true) bc they probably will ruined him (but ngl I enjoy watching the movie)

mmm yeah. i just really like harry osborn and also it's hard to sympathize with norman? like he's just. yuck

so that whole plot-line where norman was the one that gained the sympathy first was.... frustrating for me. honestly out of all of them i think electro/max deserves the most

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I'm Gonna be a hater on main for a quick sec because the mcu fandom has been annoying me lately. Andrew Garfield is what a lot of mcu fans want their fave to be both in canon and irl. He actually acknowledged Peter's Jewish heritage, he loves Uncle Ben, is more than willing to talk about how important Ben is to Peter's story and heroism, actually criticized Tony for sensical Character Based reasons which are antithetical to who Peter is as a person AND to top it all off he went so far as to verbally suggest Peter being Bi and having a non white male love interest in MJ while also calling out the bigots and homophobes who would only be coddled by him retracting those statements.

Like he has done all of these things to the point where it cost him his 3rd movie (that he deserved to have imo) and may very well have gotten blacklisted/punished career wise for it. Now I'm not gonna call out Everyone but for all the whitewashing/erasure of certain characters back stories/religious backgrounds and how abundantly straight and white every goddamn hero is in the mcu (fanon and headcanons don't count fandom I hate to break it to you it's about what Marvel/Disney actually paid to put on screen) along with how silent the actors are about their respective erasure, it's blowing me how people have the gall to lick the mcus boots so often.

Like goddamn it we had our champion!

god i love andrew garfield. he is the Love Of My Life, my Knight In Shining Armor, etc etc etc

he is my favorite live action spidey and we took him for granted

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Hey, Normie Osborn is (troubled) baby. Leave him out of it! His grandfather, Norman Osborn, in the other hand, can go die in a ditch.

anon is referring to this post

lollll i had completely forgotten that normie osborn is an actual character!

however, i could've sworn that norman osborn was referred to as "normie" at some point, and he is!

"you got me, normie"

this is from amazing spider-man #569 - new ways to die, part two: the osborn supremacy

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wait so you woyld prefer🤢 stucky🤢 after steve abandoned bucky for the love of his life 🤢🤢 you are so fucking toxic

lol. honestly i don't really ship stucky. i like steve/peggy more for before the ice and then after... who knows. i've never been huge in the "steve shipping arena" other than vehemently disagreeing with st//ny

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Not that I really want the MCU screwing around with more characters, esp Spidey ones, but I wonder how Tonky stans would react to Norman Osborn if he showed up bc either 'omg they would be friends!!', which hilariously says nothing good about Tonky, or 'omg T*ny would protect bb peter from him!!', as if Tonky wasn't basically Osborn as the evil rich wannabe mentor like in Spidey adaptations, except those adaptations recognize that as villainy, unlike the MCU with Tonky.

you asked this ages ago but hey, we did get norman in the mcu! kinda sorta

i think i've seen people pit stark and (normam) osborn as corporate enemies in fanfiction, which is... something, given that imo oscorp and stark industries are pretty different

osborn and stark have interacted with each other in various comics and certainly don't like each other (for a more in-depth overview, the green goblin's hideout has a pretty extensive article here), but given how much the mcu changed its characters, i think it might be a little different (but who knows!)

i think (in the mcu) if it was just their civilian alter egos, osborn and stark would be wealthy inventors who rubbed elbows with each other at galas, fundraisers, expos, etc. even if osborn didn't know stark was iron man, i don't think they'd be friends. stark's form of sarcasm/biting humor would hurt poor little normie's feelings

norman osborn is interesting as a villain because although his number one nemesis is peter parker, he'd be really cool as stark's nemesis. on one hand, he's peter's best friend's father and, in a way, the creator of spider-man. on the other hand, he's a wealthy inventor - just like stark but like. evil(er)

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A hulk movie but like the Iron Giant

a small confession: i've seen the iron giant once and sobbed so much that i am terrified of seeing it again. i tried to watch it again with friends a few years ago and two minutes in i was already bawling. i cry easily at films and shows but there's something about the iron giant that makes me really cry

i think i would like a hulk movie like the iron giant, even if i would have difficulty watching it

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so the whole thing about howard never caring about stark confuses me because the thing most stans point to as evidence is this scene in iron man 2:

start at 0:38

and it's like,, yeah, he definitely could've been nicer. then again, he's in the middle of filming a promotion for stark expo. he's working

unless i'm forgetting something (completely possible), this is the only time we see howard being dismissive to/of stark

forced him to graduate high school and enter MIT by the time he was 15

there's no evidence that howard forced him into graduating early. he was definitely helped, but i wouldn't say he was forced. and given that stark attended a guest lecture at mit and made all the students equal recipients of a grant that gave them funding for their projects [x], i wouldn't say he was forced to go to mit

[Obadiah] would manipulate him. He'd do the same Howard did. Make Tony do shit for the public but keep him in the blanc [sic] on what was happening

again, when did howard manipulate stark? also, you can't blame this solely on obadiah. stark was the ceo, not obadiah. if you're the ceo of a major company that makes weapons, you need to know what's going on

The moment he realized this, he stopped [the weapons manufacturing division]

technically he did not. he shut down the weapons manufacturing division "until [he would be able to] decide what the future of the company will be." [x] he continued creating weapons, both for shield, himself, and for a fifteen year old boy

Tony built the Avenger's compound, gave them somewhere to live and provided them with basic human needs

i think a lot of tony stans seem to confuse fanon with canon here. the avengers compound was never meant to be a home/some place to live until after civil war. it was made to be the primary base of operations, a training facility, and a research center [x] and after the dissolution of the avengers, stark had it remodeled so he could live there

"basic human needs"? you sure? he imprisoned wanda at the compound

I love Tony, he's one of my favs but I'm not here as a Tony stan to tell you that your opinion is wrong and change your mind. As I said, that's your opinion and I validate it. Now, what I did come here is to show my point of view in his character in Iron Man. Obviously if you don't want to read it, that's fine by me, but at least I know I wrote it.

I'd like to point out that Stark's Industry began with Howard in WWII. Shit happened, the war was finished yada yada yada. Then, Tony is born. Throughout the movies, we see that Howards was an asshole. Sure, he left clues and had a plan for Tony in the future, but that does not account for the trauma he gave Tony. Howard had Tony in the spotlight since he was a toddler and forced him to graduate high school and enter MIT by the time he was 15. Tony never had a normal childhood and I am sure Howard couldn't have cared less.

Anyways, the stress of being good enough for his father caught up to him and he began drinking. He began having one night stands yada yada yada. I think we all know what Tony did in his early 20's up to his late 30's.

I don't particularly fault him for not knowing what exactly happens with his weapons. Tony NEVER should have been CEO. Not because he's incapable of –he's got the smarts to do so– but because he was never into that world. It was thrown at him. His father threw that at him.

In Iron Man, Tony was a complete mess. I will say that. But, Obadiah did not help the case. The older man would manipulate him. He'd do the same Howard did. Make Tony do shit for the public but keep him in the blanc on what was happening.

I am sure Tony did not know for what exactly they were being used. He knew they were weapons, he knew they caused harm, but Obadiah and his father created an image in his mind that the weapons were used for peace. Obviously it's stupid, I won't fight you and tell you that poor Tony he did not realize :c. No. He is an idiot for not realizing. But I do think the alcohol he drank to drown out everything had something to do with that.

Anyways, it was while being kidnapped that he saw the truth about his weapons. On one point, he was right in the middle of a terrorist base. The other point is that he was sober. Without those shits in his mind and being in the other side of everything, he realized what was really happening.

The moment he realized this, he stopped everything. He stayed in touch with news of what had been happening on Afghanistan. He built the Iron Man suit and went there to release the people there.

Then the rest of the movie.

I will not say that Tony is not at fault. I will not say that he is free from everything that went down. But I will say that he is not completely the only one at fault for his weapons.

Another point I wanted to add since I was scrolling through your blog:

I agree with you that it is completely wrong and stupid to say that Tony was being used for his money. He was not. As you said, it is mentioned in TFATWS that they weren't getting payed. Thing is. While he did not pay them, they were not completely on the ruins.

Tony built the Avenger's compound, gave them somewhere to live and provided them with basic human needs. He might have not payed them, but he did care for them to do that for them.

Still, that does not mean that the others used him for money. I honestly hate when ppl say that.

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I’m curious what do you have against the MCU?

completely took over an industry that was already restricted by nepotism and wealth and privilege and made it even harder for any new or creative or diverse ideas to be made and convinced millions of people that having lots of cgi is good cinema so now everything is so polished and shiny and ugly and soulless but still has this unearned cult of worship surrounding it so NOBODY can dare point out the military propaganda or bare minimum diversity or frankly bland filmmaking because if you do you're just a loser and it doesn't matter if you're a movie lover who just wants new and different content or martin scorcese because marvel has completely taken over cinema and criticism is not allowed because how DARE people not give a shit about iron man or loki and there's no need for decent characterisation or complex themes because it's easier to just make villains that are like "capitalism is bad...and also MURDERING CHILDREN IS OKAY!!!" so you can put out your sloppy storylines and make people think it's the morally righteous thing to do to pay money to watch every single one of your sequels and spin offs and reboots and whenever people start to complain about how the film and tv industry is becoming a husk of repetition you just shove benedict cumberbatch in the next spiderman movie or whatever because how can people be mad that we're making sure we're slowing sucking life out of the moving image when we're doing such fun crossovers? and of course all these crossovers are SO important so you have to watch all fifty movies and twenty shows and thirty spinoffs to understand anything else in our universe and you're damn sure we're going to be releasing the next thing as soon as the other is out of theatres or is out of episodes because we CANNOT have people straying and finding media that isn't owned by us at least not until our parent company has bought out that media as well because absolutely everything has to be disney and WE'RE the powerhouse right now and you are never going to escape it and if you want your work to get any kind of support or funding then you better hope you're lucky, know someone rich or with connections, or it features captain america because otherwise you can get fucked but don't worry sometimes we have movies abpout women too so we're actually a #girlboss cinematic universe and if you don't like the stuff we make then you HATE WOMEN and you HATE CINEMA and you HATE PEOPLE BEING HAPPY and originality and creativity is a myth and you're either with us or against us but if you're not with us prepare to find us following you all the fucking time anyway because you are NOT allowed to have interests outside of the MCU we are everywhere and either you will watch spiderloki 58: captain marvel: the revenge of environmentalists or we will fucking kill you ourselves

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forever bitter at marvel for making civil war a captain america movie instead of an avengers movie

how funny! chris evans got 38:15 of screen time and rdj got 37:15 (source), which means that captain america (you know, the main character?) got just one minute more than iron man. i’d argue that cacw is an avengers movie and now we’ll never get a real cap 3

“difference in ideals”

tf you mean “difference in ideals”. one side was fighting for human rights and the other against. interestingly, all the people on the side of the accords (stark, rhodey, and vision) (not including natasha because she backed out or peter because i honestly don’t think he even knew what he was fighting for or t’challa because he only seemed to be fighting bucky) wouldn’t’ve had all their rights taken away. those with innate powers had to wear tracking bracelets at all times (x), something stark, rhodey, and vision wouldn’t need to worry about

as opposed to tony who was clearly villainized

was he, though? given how a lot of folks stans reacted to that movie, i’d say that cap was the one villainized. there’s a lot more team iron man than team cap, is all i’m saying

the avengers need regulations and accountability

maybe so, but the sokovia accords aren’t the way to go! they didn’t actually pass in the un so the avengers should not have been forced to sign, they’re a violation of more than one amendment, a violation of human rights, and do we really want a government in charge of superheroes, especially when we know that hydra was able to infiltrate shield? (x, x, x)

cacw could’ve been a perfectly good movie if steve had fought the government directly without the need to paint tony rhodey natasha etcetc as villains

funny that. for one thing, politicians don’t physically fight. if you wanted to see steve directly fight the government, as in, fight politicians, it wouldn’t have been a superhero movie. it would’ve been two hours of steve et al petitioning, lobbying, etc. for another, he was “directly fighting the government”. stark was on the side of the government