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can be a learning experience for them, tbh. they're falling into the trap of black and white thinking and tribalism--which isn't a good thing. tribalism erases all nuance.

but that's only if they listen, lmfao. some seem to be assuming that... anything not agreeing with them is 'beef' or 'harassment' or whatever.

even if you don't wanna give up ship course people, do help out your community. that's tangible action making a difference in people's lifes.

Can everyone just stop caring about shit thats soooooo meaningless? “Proship discourse” is such a ‘young teen struggling to differentiate fiction from reality because they’re too online and don’t have very wide or deep life experience yet’ type of online moral panic. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen or pick up trash off the side of the road you’ll do more good that way than yelling at people online

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i don't know who your mutuals are. i just check the anti and pro ship tags. makes sense i'd see your mutuals there if you're in that space

not pissy? i didn't know you blocked me originally until yesterday when i saw a post reminding me that your account was a thing lol

i don't care about dnis. i also don't fit into your dnis. dnis are genuinely useless, and are just... outsourcing your own boundary enforcement. you have agency. you don't need to let those who make you uncomfortable be the one to decide whether or not to end the conversation.

call out posts over... this? my dude, that's not really a good use of call out posts. those should be used for actual dangerous people, like actual pedophiles. not... 'cause you think i'm annoying lol

i have a full time job. i code. i just like discourse. you are engaging in discourse that inherently is adult in nature because of the subject matter.

if you are mature enough to engage with these topics, then you are mature enough to handle discussion on it. i am treating you as an intellectual equal--because i'm not going to infantilize you for your age. ...which i don't even remember it, lmfao.

i remember being shit on intellectually when i was a teen. i was literally told to shut the fuck up because i wasn't old enough in some adults eyes, and thus my opinion and words held no value. i refuse to do the same thing to other teens.

i don't need attention. my ego doesn't need external validation. i'm perfectly content just vibing on my own. i'm engaging with topics i like. i got sick of twitter and reddit, so i came back here.

i'm not trying to start beef or arguments. i'm participating in the discourse. i am not insulting anyone or their character. i'm bringing forth counter-arguments to your points.

like... when you get into the working world, that's how things work. your actions and statements will be critiqued and challenged. i encourage you to learn the difference between normal debate or discourse and actual inflammatory statements.

Please mass report and block this account

I wouldn't really call them a stalker by any means but they're so fucking annoying and always trying to start and argument, they somehow know all of my mutuals despite me not showing my following list and they're always popping up in asks, comment sections, and reposting for the sake of starting an argument

they disrespected my dni when I told them to stop commenting and reposting on my account and they CONTINUED to do that when I told them I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE, so I blocked them, and they're like pissy that I blocked them because it's the mature thing to do and I hate being in situations that arent able to end in lest than a day??? youre fucking 23 your brain is fully developed go get a fucking full time job and stop living off of attention from underage people on Tumblr

this is the last time I'll say it cause the first time I did nothing happened and i just lowkey forgot and two because I'm getting choco involved and they ALWAYS get justice no matter the situation, @infiniity-survivor-choco

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istg i'll see ppl say shit like "im fine with media depicting abuse/rape/whatever as long as it isnt glorifying/romanticizing it" then turn around and say cannibalism is a metaphor for love and that murder conveys devotion. i hate to inform you but youre romanticizing violence

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"x ship is normalizing incest-"

Buddy

If game of thrones hasn't normalized incest by now (pulling over 10 million views in the 7th season alone) then a small fandom ship most certainly won't

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Hostile Anti-Proshippers will swear on their knees they protect survivors and then publicly post about how they want you, a survivor, to be curb stomped. /neg

How many lives did they save by writing that? /s

We are just watching them digging their own graves at this point. /nm

i love watching people just demonstrate that they don't actually care about the topic, and instead just care about virtue signalling and posturing.

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i don't go onto your page. i'm... in the tags. because i purposefully browse tags about topics i want to see.

not a proshipper. i reject the entire ship discourse axis. i am not an anti, a neushipper or a proshipper. because fuck binaries. life, and fiction is incredibly more complex than that.

regardless of my position, it is not my responsibility to enforce your boundaries. i... also didn't interact with you this time?

i don't know that person. i don't know anything about them. i was just answering an ask.

i am not here to do your emotional regulation for you. these things would likely piss you off less if you recognized the fact that other people aren't entitled to do anything for you. especially on Tumblr.

if i make you uncomfortable, how is it my responsibility to block you? that's not reasonable. i will block people if i want.

in all honesty, besides dnis directed towards minors, i don't care about dnis. it is outsourcing emotional labour onto others.

sincerely, i encourage you to be more proactive about your boundaries. it's good emotional hygiene, and helps reaffirm your own control and autonomy over these situations.

and practicing enforcing your boundaries online is a great way to practice it in general--it will affect how you enforce them irl.

if i am remembering right, you are neurodivergent. so am i--ADHD and likely autism. i get your reactions. emotion regulation is a bastard, and small things can suddenly feel like they mean everything. alongside that--i'm not sure if this applies to you or not--people with ADHD and the like tend to be people pleasers and will allow their boundaries to be trampled.

that's why i'm encouraging you to be more proactive. if you learn how to uphold your boundaries online, that will translate into stuff irl.

as someone who's also had to deal with these people I must warn you to avoid @chromatheantishipper (they are lazy and refuse to read) and @antiship-hunter (they are incredibly immature)

otherwise, good luck on the discourse! don't stoop to their level! fly high, little anarchist :]

i mainly repost chroma's stuff just to provide my take on whatever is being talked about.

antiship-hunter blocked me LMFAO.

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as someone who's also had to deal with these people I must warn you to avoid @chromatheantishipper (they are lazy and refuse to read) and @antiship-hunter (they are incredibly immature)

otherwise, good luck on the discourse! don't stoop to their level! fly high, little anarchist :]

i mainly repost chroma's stuff just to provide my take on whatever is being talked about.

antiship-hunter blocked me LMFAO.

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because i want to be logically and ethically consistent. even if i think it's gross.

like--i'm queer. but i don't care if someone is homophobic or whatever as long as they don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others. if they wanna believe that shit, it's their life. c'est la vie. actions matter more than thoughts.

same thing applies to fiction.

and as i listed out in my post--all the things that actually make pedophilia and CSEM bad, doesn't exist in fiction. because almost every single factor, except for power dynamics, requires personhood. it requires rights and freedoms. it requires for there to be actual people.

fictional characters have none of that.

i'm just following the logic to it's end. there are exceptions to this stuff, like pieces that are of actual child actors. in that case, there is a person who is having their rights infringed on.

and like--i'm not saying we shouldn't have discussions about works and what they depict. we should discuss dark works and what they touch on, and other cultural shit. art is meant to mirror the real world, in all it's bitter glory.

like--whether or not a depiction of a sensitive or dark subject matter is well executed is more important to me. i want these topics to be properly represented, even if it's through a warped POV like a stockholm syndrome victim who is glorifying, sexualizing, or romanticizing their abuser, because those stories deserve to be heard. real people have gone through that shit, and they deserve to know that their pain isn't too shameful or 'pathetic' to be shown.

yeah, some pieces might go really graphic. but that is an artistic technique, and is meant to shock or repulse you.

why is the topic even rising again??

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you wrote me a whole fucking personal essay just to prove my point about you having way too much time on your hands 😭 you are literally the embodiment of “not now mom i need to ratio these online people!11!”

you keep saying 'i treat 15 year olds as equals' like that makes you some noble philosopher when in reality it just makes you look like a grown ass adult arguing ship discourse with kids online. congrats on wasting your life?? LMAO. how’s that coding going? and i’m aware a 15 year old isn’t a baby, but they also haven’t even hit most AP language classes so you obviously know you’re bringing a gun to a knife fight.

also the ‘i have adhd and undiagnosed autism’ card doesn’t make your paragraphs less exhausting to read and your arguments sound like absolute nonsense.

and thanks for clarifying that 'arguing online' is one of your hobbies… yeah that tells me everything i need to know.

and Ad hominem means dismissing an argument solely by attacking the person instead of engaging with their point. Hell yeah i insulted you, because i don’t respect you lmao, i don’t “sugarcoat” either, but i also addressed your actions and tactics. Keep on crying strawman, still not how you even use it though! I didn’t misrepresent shit about your argument— you argue with kids and then misuse logical fallacies. that’s literally just what you do. all day it seems.

your entire reply was whiny and pathetic , and that’s tragic considering you probably sat there feeling like you were composing the magna carta.

And no i think i will keep myself on anon because i know you like to whiiiiiiine on people’s accounts, and id prefer if you didn’t interrupt me during my real job. 😬😬😬

i am verbose. dunno why you think that's a dunk. i also am a fast typer and don't actively plan these responses out. i intuitively write. no think--just type. i can pump out a lot of words in a short amount of time if i get in the zone.

you don't need english courses to critically think. and i'm not going to infantalize a teenager who is cognitively developed enough to understand the concepts and subject matter being discussed. if they are mature enough to be engaging in these topics, which are inherently mature and adult topics, i am going to treat them no different than an adult. it's also good experience and practice for them in actually engaging with their beliefs.

if you don't understand logic, that's a skill issue, bud. i know my writing is articulate and logical. i don't care if you think the truth is exhausting to read. maybe ask yourself why you get exhausted from only reading a few paragraphs. up your game, meow meow.

and no, Ad Hominem attacks are attacks on another person's character, rather than a rebuttal of their statement. so every single insult you used in your first message, was an Ad Hominem attack. unless you can prove that your insults have actual substance to them and aren't just a pretty coat of veneer, it is a logical fallacy and makes you look reactive and petty. :(

provide proof of me doing what you claim i do. you make the claim, you gotta cough up the evidence. burden of proof is on you.

awww ur gonna make me cwy. :((((((((((((

for real though, if you think any kind of structured argument is written like the magna carta... bro, you haven't even read true legalise.

and--i'm not the one throwing a wittle hissy fit and tantrum because they got their fee fees hurt. like, fr? these asks are genuinely sad. like, you are coming at me as if you think your ego being bruised means you are righteous. you aren't engaging or even reading what i'm writing.

you. are. embarrassing. yourself.

and, i only engage with posts i see in tags i browse. i genuinely do not care about antis or proshippers or whatever. i don't know any of you on a personal level. i don't even remember people's usernames.

i don't do any of this for attention. i like to spar with people with words. i've spent months arguing and debating with people on reddit and twitter. on fucking politics. shipping discourse is marshmallow fluff compared to that crunk.

at least i'm enjoying what i'm doing. how does it feel to know you haven't made me feel a single thing besides utter joy i get to dunk on anons who are literally projecting. everything you wrote (for the most part) -- applies to you. not me.

go look in a mirror. try not to break it.

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what about if the story is being written from the POV of someone with stockholm syndrome? they will romanticize and glorify and try to excuse the abuse, that's the whole point of it.

what if the piece is meant to be a sex cult indoctrination? that's a form of horror.

like, it's more than just the depiction that matters. it's the execution behind the piece that matters. we need to take into account what the piece of media actually is. badly written glorification or romanticization of dark topics will come off as fake. there won't be the underlying thread of horror that underscores the framing in romanticized or glorified works.

for example:

badly written:

A punches B, B grins and acts like nothing ever happened and that its completely normal. cardboard, lifeless cutouts

better written:

A punches B, B is hurt and recoils, trying to hold back their tears as they smile and say it's okay. they love A--they deserved it. it's simply A's way of showing love--and B feels thankful for it. (while utterly fucking terrified inside.)

its not plain romanticization or glorification that makes the badly written example bad. and the only way the badly written example can work is if it was to be punched all the way up to heroic, nationalistic propaganda levels.

it's really the flattening of the complexity of these situations thats bad.

You can explore dark themes and be normal btw. You can have incest/pdophilia in a story and show how disgusting it is instead of acting like it's another cutsie ship. You can do that. You can depict things and be normal about it. You can write a story about grooming and molestation and incest and WHATEVER but maybe NOT write it the same way as you write a normal relationship. If you write something like that and you think your audience won't leave disturbed, youre not doing it right.

It should always be depicted as disgusting. Because it's always disgusting. Even if it's complex, or confusing, it's disgusting.

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LMFAO I HAD A FEELING THAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO ME

it's not our job to enforce their dni. also... i don't even identify as a pro shipper. hilarious.

I'm not gonna grace this one with a proper reblog, or even a response because what do you want me to say? That no I actually am just neutral? That I have headmates with varying opinions and a good chunk of them are absolutely not proship in any way (including me typing this)? That people like you are why I refuse to take any side, let alone be antiship?

Anyway if you don't want to interact with me, I highly encourage you block me like this user is saying. But don't spout nonsense whilst doing so.

If you're reading this, you should prob block them too, even if you're an anti.

I would block them but this is a sideblog and blocking is a bit weird here so all I can really do is frown and hope they block me first and MAYBE if Tumblr likes me, I won't have to see them.

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i mean this so seriously if you have any sort of creative project you can and should be a little obsessed with it. you should reread your own writing and look at your own art and brag about your ocs its literally good for your health

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come at me. do it. y'all got no balls, and apparently no sense of logic either.

and... i have a life outside tumblr. i just actively check these tags, because i'm interested in the discourse. i find it fun. i will enter your echo chamber, and i will pop it's silly little rubber walls and deflate it.

no one is safe from these hands. idc about proshippers or antis or neuships. i am here to decimate all bad logic.

fuck your tribalism. your group think comfort is a lie and blinds you to what is truly outside.

i am going to force logic on all of you via osmosis. zZzzZZzzZZzz

also... imagine shaming someone's hyperfixation. gosh.

why is mf sirenentrails still on ur account. dude i looked at their posts they have NO LIFE outside of spewing absolute bullshit and then acting like it’s a debate. somebody please curb stomp them

😭

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there's a fine line between being wary of manipulation and becoming completely paranoid because you get very close to the realisation that pretty much all human interaction involves doing things we hope will lead to a result we like

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calling lolisho CSEM and reporting the content isn't going to help REAL, LIVING BREATHING CHILDREN. Somebody has to look through every single individual report to make sure it's not - you are ACTIVELY WASTING THEIR TIME - THEY DON'T REPORT FICTIONAL CHARACTERS

side note: antis, IT'S CSEM/SCAM NOT 'CP'. THE P IMPLIES CONSENT.

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i already do that with mine. crackships!!

Hot take: If you want your ocs to have a fandom then you ALSO have to accept the fact that there WILL be darkships and proships in your fandom whether you like it or not. There will be “weird” people in your fandom, there will be nsfw art if you make your characters public for the whole internet to see. If you get upset if people might “ship your characters wrong” then you aren’t prepared to have a fandom at all, and it would maybe be better for you if you only kept your characters private or just share it with close friends instead.

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...what about solocide?

lmfao

but yes, please don't use slang in serious contexts. genuinely. we have these terms for a reason because they carry and represent incredibly serious topics.

"they were unalived" "they commited self delete" "they went to sleep permanently" SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP JUST SAY SUICIDE. SAY MURDER. SAY DIED. STOP CENSORING YOUR OWN SPEECH AND STOP DOING IT IN THE MOST IMMATURE AND STUPID WAY POSSIBLE.