#ALSO THIS ISNT ABOUT PARASOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS

[plomegranate]

ok obviously im not against to blocking celebrities and influencers that are silent about palestine but the issue of centering celebs in the palestinian liberation movement is not just when people get really annoying about proving their fav is good from one retweet.

the little blockout thing wasnt a bad idea at first- it did pressure a lot of people with platforms to speak up and whatever, but its a problem when im seeing FARRRR more posts on instagram and tiktok talking about how important blocking these random celebs is over actual news and actual gofundmes.

like seriously hundreds of thousands of lives are at stake in gaza! sure, ridicule an influencer in the comments, share a post or two encouraging people to unfollow/block, whatever. but when you get so obsessed with tracking celebrities instead of uplifting palestinian voices on the ground, fundraisers, educational content, and info about organizing, you have to ask yourself how is what your doing benefitting the movement? this isnt an opportunity for you to sit here and judge morals from the comfort of your own home just so you can pretend you're an advocate to feel better about yourself.

put your energy into something productive. there's plenty you can do to support palestine with that same effort and time.

[inkskinned]

you know, you know. no gods, no masters, no kings on pedestals. everyone is fallible. death of the author. you know! you are balanced about your intake of media - you allow the wiggle room, the grace, the gratitude, the skepticism. nobody above criticism.

but still. a weird gut-punch feeling, something akin to betrayal. you read the article. surprise! an author you love is actually: a serial fucking predator.

well, shit. what now. no, you knew he was a person (all people are), but now you're wondering - what have i overlooked by accident? what messages have i internalized that are strange and cruel? and also, like, what the fuck?

his actions lay a thick glaze on top of everything. like each place is now ruined, opaque in a new way. but okay, fine, you've done this before. you knew better, right? you've been betrayed by many a cherished childhood author.

still, this stickiness. fuck. can you pick up that book again. will you read it to your children. you've recommended it to others - will you ever do that again? and of course, of course, no parasocial relationships. you were theoretically above this kind of sentiment. but the artist informs the art, right.

so it's not something as clear-cut as feeling he owed you, specifically (a stranger) better behavior - just that you kind of, in a distant and odd way... sort of trusted him to do better. it's not like a real trust or something speakable, just the faint hope that the product (good books) was a thin representation of the soul. now it feels like the product (good? books?) was a mask. in some small or insignificant way, your previous support of this person lent them power. your money and your time and your laughter.

and the thing is - you have this terrible, echoing sensation. how many times will this happen? over and over. you find out that the singer you love is actually a predator. you learn over drinks that your favorite high school english teacher is in jail for what he did to her. you listen to the news idly and suddenly discover that a woman you used to idolize has been abusing her kids for an actual eon.

what can you touch without the static melting off. you can't even really complain about it too much (you were supposed to know better, and besides, you don't want the same re-split "it's not your fault, love what you love" basic advice), but now it's here. somehow, it feels like - you let him into your life.

it's not that things need to be pure or an artist has to be like, endlessly perfect, mindful. demure. it's more just this terrible truth that has been replayed through your veins so often it feels criminally vain. power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. did you want any one person to be worth that power?

it's just that he wrote books where he seemed to understand that. he seemed to know about hierarchies and unfair systems and bigotry and privilege. you thought they were books about what it means to struggle. you thought they were about having power and still using it for good rather than for control. he spooned you a narrative of being a good guy, a kind soul. you fucking bought what that fucking monster sold.

maybe that's why they were fantasies, after all.

[simplydnp]

what's your opinion on fanfics about dnp? (more in a way of do you think that it's crossing boundaries and/or being parasocial)

i'm of the same mind of dnp in that phanfic is fucking incredible. it's an important and valid way to express yourself, as well as a building block of our community. i don't think it's crossing boundaries, as it's fiction. i don't see it as parasocial either--you're writing for you and others like you. most people don't want dnp reading their fics, it's not for them in a sense, it's for us.

i think dnp are extremely aware of fanfic and its value and place in community. they've always encouraged it, appreciated the support, and given us space about it. they're not ones to make videos about it and mock fans for it (which happened to some of our lovely fic writers here writing for other yt fandoms, and i'm so sorry about it). dnp are fandom culture people. they've written fic themselves! and published it in their book!

the word parasocial has been twisted lately to imply any fan support is unnatural and should be shamed, which is complete fucking bullshit. making art is always important and valued. and it is necessary for your existence as a human, but also for the thing you're a fan of to thrive.

the parasocial side comes in once you start believing you know this person. and that you're their real friend. when in reality, they do not know you specifically, and you are not their friend, you are an audience member.

so a parasocial relationship only occurs when people start crossing boundaries (digging for not publicly available information, contacting people in their personal life, showing up to their house, etc). which, is absolutely nowhere close to real fan behaviour.

tl;dr: phanfic is great, i love you fic writers, parasociality is a problem but not one that we have

[theyhitthepentagon]

real talk rn the people acting like genyinely angry and upset over this feel a little selfish to me because like if you just watched the stream for a minute youd recognize like. All of the effort and prep put into this. rheyre doing so much work and you people are complaining about a series that ended 3 years agoz what happened to all the people saying not to be weird if its not hl2vrai. some of you guys need to realize you have a parasocial relationship w media and fictional characters and fandom shit or whatever. this should be a wake up call for yall #tbh ive actually never seen ANYTHING this ridiculous in my life. now gn

[hopecel]

do you ever think about how most of the mega famous celebs (or not even that famous) in their majority are... not great ppl and that's fine? (<- thoughts that visit you when you've already fried your brain by being on twitter a lot)

[greenlighted]

i just remembered that eugene left the try guys so now they're not even tre tri guys anymore (which is like SO okay omg) and it does make me sad to see both ned and eugene go (for wildly different reasons, of course, but like both reasons contribute to the main point (and also both of those reasons are my own issues to deal with, not theirs - they have no obligation to make decisions regarding the prioritization of their personal life based on the emotions of their fanbase)). but the constant unrest in all of these subconsciously developed parasocial relationships ive found myself in is like actually so fucking much to process? like jenna marbles last video felt like saying goodbye to my best friend with all the love in my heart and then never seeing her again (i saw her wedding photos and it made me want to cry. i am so happy she's happy and healing and i wish her nothing but the best). but having to let go and mourm the loss of all of these relationships (the good and the bad ones) and process everything that comes with it is so overwhelming (which, again, is like not their issue - i am the only one with any deep emotional devotion to this relationship (not to say that these online personalities can't have genuine care for their audience, because they totally can, but its literally impossible for them to constantly be expected to develop and nurture connections with each an every single one of their fans on a persom level and they also have like literally no obligation to either. the loss of this relationship will literally give me emotions that ill have to bring up to my therapist while they literally do not even know i exist at all and that is entirely my own issue to process and heal from).

[monarchteen]

➵ fanning as texts

[nicklasbackstroke]

Sometimes I want to make posts wondering about comphet in hockey and their relationships but I know it would get taken in a tin hat-ty way instead of me just ruminating on sexuality and conformity

[gibbearish]

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compassion fatigue? how fucking selfish can you be? are you actually going to make this about you and how upset it makes you feel to think about? you should be thanking god it isnt happening to you. you know every country in the world hates yours and its only a matter of time before someone finds an excuse to start bombing you back, better pipe down! listen to the planes flying overhead and imagine they were raining death down on you, maybe thatll give you some perspective. remember your clicks!

[shoezuki]

hi hello so for any people curious bout the dream beef i am talking about im gon chronicle it all here in a hopefully fully contextual way for both longterm weirdos and new people who dont know bout my parasocial beef w dream. ill try to keep my biases out of it somewhat but anyways,

this began with a podcast Tommyinnit and Jack Manifold have together in which they had philza as a guest. Episode 9 is currently behind a paywall on their patreon but they have a youtube channel where they post them publically as well. Not sure if they make all their episodes public eventually or not but i digress.

Twitter user _constel_ has posted 5 clips from the podcast in question that contain their discussion about dream. I have downloaded the videos but tumblr doesnt want me to put them in this post so i will try and sum up each clip as I go.

Clip 1: Phil starts talking about how once the dsmp was done people would joke about how their 'contracts' would be over and they would be allowed to talk about things behind the scenes. philza mentions the infamous philza tweet in response to dream.

for context, the main discussion is around this exchange from around february 2021, where dream 'jokingly' argues that he is responsible to tommy's high viewership on youtube:

Most of it the tweets are deleted by both parties but it was very much a whole thing. Phil has apparently joked about revealing the context of his reply 'when he retires' (mentioned clip 1).

Jack Manifold had apparently been in a call with tommyinnit when the exchange was happening and recalls tommy being extremely stressed. The context philza gives is that he was texted by tommy to look at the thread while he was going on a walk and tommy was panicking over if dream was genuine (mentioned clip 2). Philza says "I'll find out if he's fucking joking' and that he essentially vibe checked dream. Tommy also states that after the twitter exchange he legitimately wrote in his diary to never be rude to dream: "never be horrible to dream. It's not worth it. It makes me too sad". Additionally jack manifold establishes that he hated dream from the beginning, they hate each other, and that, although he acknowledges dream aided him through the dream smp, he hates how dream 'takes ownership of other people and their accomplishments because he was a guiding hand' (mentioned clip 3).

Jack manifold mentions that tommy was 16 during this exchange and philza additionally says it was out of line (Clip 4). Philza more openly talks about there being 'reds flag after red flags' with dream in clip 5.

OKAY thats honestly a vague description and theres a LOT more so watch the clips if u want. Heres another tweet 'summarizing' it as well. But anyways this of course had people talking about dream again, some people (accidentally?) acting like this is about dream smp lore, and a lot of people concerned about how tommy was afraid to upset dream and would blame himself when dream picked fights with him.

Dream's response on dreamwastaken was to tweet about how he appreciated everyone who was on the server dispite differences, as well as a zip file to download the dsmp server/world file.

Worth noting there is a limitation on how many people can download the file within 24 hours so now people are only getting an error message when trying to access it which is fucking funny. On his private he also tweeted "love and appreciate you guys <3 very happy to be uploading again :) hope to keep it rolling" (Im not cropping out the reply its funny)

Thats all hes said so far, I havent seen tommy or jack manifold talking about it either. technically it isnt outright in response to their podcast but obviously everyone is taking it as such.

final stuff/my thoughts: dream has obviously had a tendency to kinda 'take credit' for 'making' the streamers who were on the dsmp and its notable that in his tweet he still acts like his server was the reason for people's fame and relationships. Saying 'a group of creators most of which would never have collaborated under any other circumstance got together and made something really cool' is just his thinly veiled way of still taking credit for tommy's fame and the relationships he and others have made and its moronic. Not to mention dsmp was very much NOT the server that got these specific people together, i mean techno and phil met through minecraft mondays, tommy and jack manifold met both of them through smp earth i believe. Even if the dsmp wasnt a thing they probably would have collaborated with other members through mcc eventually. the idea that the dsmp was what brought them together and a bunch of minecraft clowns would 'never have collaborated under any other circumstance' is stupid.

anyways sorry this is long as shit. im going to pray dream doesnt let this go for at least 3 to 5 business days as per usual

[bananonbinary]

Tumblr's debt is a problem of their own creation. The app is buggy, the userbase is flooded with porn bots, nazis roam free, hate speech roams free, trans women have sfw content marked mature, art and posts are stolen for promotion, features are forced down our throats, ads are malicious and often gross or triggering and giving them money will not stop this.

If we give tumblr money they're not going to get rid of Tumblr live or restore the nsfw or remove ads or whatever you think they're going to do, they're going to KEEP DOING THE SAME THING except with more money to blow. Tumblr is a CORPORATION, they can get a government bailout like any other corporate entity can, and while people are throwing money at a dumbass corporation there are people begging to get bills paid and for food and other necessities.

Please open your eyes to the reality of the situation, its not just some guy anymore, David Karp is long gone its a soulless conglomerate now and they do not need our pity

a lot of yall seem to think that i want to like, bake sale save the baseball team. that's not what this is about. i don't think we need to "fix tumblr's debt," i think we need to make the website profitable (and the debt shows it isnt, altho from what i can gather a better word is "deficit" rather than "debt," ie, they are losing that much more money than they take in annually), because as it stands tumblr has no reason whatsoever to want to keep the current user base around. it's trying to attract a different userbase, because yall are PROUD of the fact that tumblr is a failing website and you dont want to pay them. you're loitering inside a store and acting surprised when the store wants you gone. of COURSE they're constantly introducing new features and not listening to what the users want, they don't want you here.

it's not a protest, it's not an attempt to buy good will, it's a simple business transaction: i spend a lot of time here, and i would like to keep spending a lot of time here. so i will buy my shitty internet crab, and tell my fellow loiterers that they can as well if they want. if you dont want to do that, you literally don't have to, but you can't tell me not to.

you people are all like "ohh tumblr isnt your friend dont give it money" but like. yeah. its not my friend. i would like to pay it for a service it provides, instead of expecting it to continue to provide that service out of the goodness of its non-existant heart. i dont think im the one with the parasocial relationship here.

also:

dont tell me to help a poor people. i am a poor people. i am allowed to spend THREE DOLLARS on something i like for myself, and not give literally every single dollar i have to charity and mutual aid. you have NO IDEA how much or if i do for other people, and you won't, because you aren't owed every detail of my life like that. people are allowed to have things they want for no other reason than they want them sometimes.

[vettelsvee]

I totally agree. the toxicity between toxic lando and toxic oscar fans is insane. I get that they are teammates, and of course you want your fave to be the winner, but it doesnt mean people should just bash the other driver.

Lando is the driver that got me in F1, he will always be my favorite, but i love oscar too. people told me its weird to like them both but like, you WANT your fave to get better right? that happends through a good teammate.

Yes Oscar was faster in China, yes with DRS he was quicker than lando, but that doesnt mean lando should be dragged through the mud because Oscar wasnt just let by. He was allowed to race, didnt beat lando, on we go to bahrein.

people are fighting grown men who they dont know anything about, creating personalities for them (Oscar being "ruthless, unemotional beast" which isnt true at all from what weve seen as he is a nice calculated guy more so, and lando being the "disrespectfull, immature brat") that the media stick to, even when proven wrong time and time again. People dont stay the same person they are through a year. Lando and Oscar have both grown a lot last year. A lot of fans have a parasocial relationship with their favorite drivers, and they feel the need to defend them as if itll help. its making F1 fanbase toxic, which is why im incredibly glad there are people who CAN still objectively look at things and drivers, even with a bias. Thank you for that.

and it's absolutely okay supporting both drivers in a team or direct rivals!

i was both a seb and lewis fan during mercedes dominant years because them both have been my favourite drivers since i was a child, and that doesn't mean I can like one of them more (in my case, seb)

the problem comes, from my perspective, when fans think that they actually know drivers, who they really are outside tv and social media, and defend them as if they were their very own family members to establish some comparison. i get we all support drivers, and that's amazing, but that doesn't mean we can't be realistic about certain situations when it comes to racing as, for example, your parents or close friends won't be applauding you when you do something wrong (in most cases). sadly it's not only the fans but also the media when it comes to having bias (as i said, my commentators are all the time praising alonso or sainz when they actually don't perform good enough or as expected). imagine if actual "professional" people on the sport do that, what can't fans do?

i always try to be as objective as i can and yeah, i obviously have preferences for certain drivers and get mad when i don't see my drivers winning or on the podium, but i always do a post race briefing to myself judging every single one of them, specially my faves because they don't do always great

i hope i'm not being annoying omg i love these talks and sharing perspectives sorry if you don't like them but i absolutely love chatting with you all like this 😭

[toxycodone]

hater anon here. what do you see in that freak anyway.

i mean, i'm sorry okay, it's just that i've been crushing on you for so long on this blog and you suddenly go and say you're dating someone? i'm sorry to be parasocial but it hurt me

also if you actually liked him you wouldn't be posting moaning vids and asking for nudes . just saying lol

be so fr is this bait. like. what

reni isnt a freak?? what did he ever do to you???? he's actually a very lovely person lmfao. don't insult him if you're gonna try to talk to me bc it just makes me dislike you even more. he's been nothing but sweet and supportive despite like. everything about me. you don't get it.

just because youve been crushing on me for a long time doesn't...entitle you to me? i don't know you! I don't know who you are!!!! you can't stay anonymous and be like. territorial of me thats not how human relationships work.

also. actually fuck you for the last part dear god do you think I want to be like this??? i also don't ask for nudes?? and im not gonna harass reni for that WEVE BEEN DATING FOR LIKE. 2 weeks.

im gonna assume you dont have a lot of experience but i have never met 2 people who start dating and go like. all in like that. tbh reni and I didn't know much abt each other when we started dating and we still don't know like. a ton. and what i do on the internet is my business man. basically just showing off.

[chaifootsteps]

obviously all of those responses were bad, but the most concerning ones to me was the two people who were like "how could you not like this thing when so many FAMOUS PEOPLE were hired to be apart of it? (name drops a bunch of celebs idgaf about)" and "keith david was apart of this so i trust him more then i trust you"

are some of these fans genuinely so dumb that they dont realize their parasocial relationships to celebrities they dont personally know just because they voiced their favorite characters isnt healthy, and that acting as if famous people are always 100% good and right about everything because theyre famous until proven otherwise, can and will lead to inevitable disappointment, because anyone could be a horrible person behind closed doors, and then run from accountability with their fame and wealth as a shield? i think someone suggested a few days ago in an ask that some of the fans are just geninuely stupid, and i believe that, but this is stupid to an extent that it's troubling. thats on top of the fact that they seem to also think these people voice acted in the show because theyre friends/acquaintances with viv, and not because they were paid a lot of money to.

This fandom seems staunchly convinced that the Hazbin actors -- and anyone who works with Viv -- beat down her door begging for the chance to work with her project, instead of receiving a paycheck or a job.

The pilot cast actually did sign on for the love of the job and put a whole lot of unpaid hours into promoting the show, and we know how that worked out.

[kookidough]

sierra is sooooo complicated to me like. i could go on about her for so long & also i wish the writers did certain things with her character (which i will get into later in this rant) so ya here we go

firstly her childhood is . very clearly messed up?? it’s established that her mother is Ultra Obsessed with chris and i think sierra mentions being a 3rd generation chris mclean scholar at one point which implies that obsession just runs in the family atp😭 before even going on the show she’s grown up in an environment where this level of obsession is Normal so she doesn’t see anything wrong with turning out the same way

since her mother is like . obsessed with chris & stuff that’s probably what would bring sierra to watching total drama in the first place and i personally feel like she’d fixate on it because it was a group of teenagers her age, people she would like to be friends with if that makes sense? i can imagine she’d be a pretty odd child without many friends so that’d maybe be a reason for her to latch onto total drama, maybe why she latched onto cody too because like. she thinks he’s cute and they have things in common (like theyre both pretty geeky) so she gets pretty parasocial about it because, as mentioned before, her mum being obsessed with chris is just Normal to sierra so she thinks it’s normal for her to be obsessed with cody (spoiler alert girl: it’s really not)

while she’s on the show i feel like she doesn’t change / gets worse because chris sees her exhibiting Mental Illness and just… actively encourages her behaviour? and the other contestants do nothing to stop it, like how most of the time (e.g. paris) team amazon get mad at cody for sierra’s behaviour instead of helping him out for some reason??? no one tells sierra her behaviour is wrong so she just. Continues to get worse until shes out of the competition😭

this is where im gna interrupt with a canon divergence because like . personally i think in the episode where votes were revealed and cody was revealed to have voted sierra Every Single Time, sierra shouldve gotten over him!!!! it was the harsh truth she needed to hear, the dose of reality that cody is NOT interested in her and she needs to move on. she couldve had good character development, building her relationships with other characters and showing off her skills. maybe she’d still be eliminated in drumheller because she made cody that birthday cake as an apology and then kaboom or whatever idk just some way to keep her elimination the same

going down this train could’ve made her character in all stars Actually Interesting ! we couldve seen a side of sierra that kept some of her old eccentric vibes but had her head in the game this time instead of being focused on a boy, especially since cody isnt even in that season

and of course lastly i just wanna say i’m not excusing her weird actions or her creepiness at all, she has some Extreme Flaws and all the stuff she did was absolutely not okay, i just like rotting and seeing maybe why she acted the way she did and i wanted to drop my own two cents on interesting avenues her character couldve went down :3 i know everyone in td is some form of stereotype and sierra was an obsessive uberfan but she couldve still been that after getting over cody, in fact im disappointed that she knew SO much about the cast yet didnt use any of their weaknesses to her own advantage, she couldve dominated the competition😭

so uhhh yeah thats my thoughts on sierra, i probably over-read her to filth but shes very complex to me and i wish certain aspects of her character were done differently, she had a lot of potential especially in all stars but um Everyone had their potential destroyed in all stars so i’ll overlook that

[buecckers]

char has a weird vendetta against azzi, she told my friend that she was jealous. BUT SHE ISNT ODD?

she posted something about finding something that confirmed paige and azzi were together but didnt show it to my friend or me

She was also a pazzi shipper until she got around weird ppl.. so don’t compare me to a girl who has a parasocial relationship/bond with a woman who doesn’t even know her. Bc wdym ur jealous?? Don’t be delusional, you will never have a relationship with Paige so don’t hate on azzi bc she’s got the person you want. The person being a celebrity at that, be serious.

DELUSION IS REAL