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corrie-zodori · 17 days ago
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Hi /comes in swinging with a baseball bat This is a long post but bare with me, if you like spamtenna and deltarune theories strap in for this one. My running theory is this: I think that Mike sabotaged Tenna and Spamton's relationship.
I got thinking, where does the animosity between Spamton and Tenna come from? In the snowgrave route of chapter 2, Spamton implies with the line "Are you gonna f*ck me over at the good part, what are you a game show host?" He thinks Tenna was going to screw him over. And we know that because Spamton ran off after that phone call, Tenna thinks that Spamton ripped him off and abandoned him. And because Spamton ran off, they never got to talk or clear the air. Ever. (That's ALSO Why Spamton only comes out of your pocket because he thinks Tenna CARES suddenly.)
Why would he think that specifically? In Spamton's shop, when you bring up friends... Why does Spamton go from "Mike..." to talking about Tenna? "Don't trust anything you see on TV, that man's a criminal". He was thinking about Mike specifically, there, so why would he suddenly switch aggressively to warning Kris about Tenna? Because, by remembering Mike, He's flashing back to that last phonecall he took right before he ran out of the room. The one that Tenna referred to in the sword route. AKA, Likely, the last time he talked to Tenna, and POSSIBLY the last time he talked to Mike. And what did Tenna wanna do? He wanted Spamton to sign a contract. Spamton would have been so easy to manipulate here, for Mike, ESPECIALLY since Mike had already had his trust (assuming Mike was the person he was in contact with all along. Someone we've seen him get defensive of, in the spamtons sweepstakes. Mike was the one who helped him gain all of his fame, after all!) And Spamton was already used to people using him /gestures to his old 'friends'. It would NOT have been hard to convince him.
All Mike would have to have said was something like: "He'll make you sign that contract and you'll lose everything. He'll own you. He'll screw you over and use you. You'd just be his puppet." Anything along these lines. AND/OR, also, bringing up the prophecy. Telling spamton that Tenna is doomed, and its not worth sticking around. Because CLEARLY Spamton knows Tenna was meant to die (as, if youre wearing the dealmakers in tenna's fight and check him, it says "the tragic businessman who dies at the now of the story". There's no way Spamton should have known that unless spamton knew the prophecy, or some parts of it.) So why would Mike do that? To avoid being found or exposed, of course. He didn't want Spamton to run his mouth and reveal him. He knew spamton knew too much. He was afraid that Spamton would out him to Tenna. Tenna clearly doesnt know who the real Mike is, but Spamton supposedly does. To quote this from the sweepstakes: "You leave him out of this, you dont know who or WHAT Mike is." (And he's right. We don't.) WHY Mike wants to remain hidden, it's uncertain at this point. Possibly because he's the one pulling the strings. We already knew that he found Spamton, not the other way around, via phonecall. He only wants to be found by specific people, under specific conditions; to manipulate them, for what goal, is still possibly unknown. My conclusion: Mike is shady and manipulative and I do not trust whatever strings he's pulling. And I believe that the misunderstanding between spamton and tenna came from Mike intentionally manipulating Spamton to drive them further apart. And it breaks my heart. If Mike IS a stand-in for gaster, or if it's JUST him, I don't know for sure. We're still missing pieces.
I'm curious to hear y'alls thoughts because I am very not normal about them or the implications of literally any of this. It's possible I could be missing some key information here.
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vt-scribbles · 1 month ago
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Things I am certain [or at least semi-certain] of in the future of Deltarune:
[MAJOR SPOILERS FOR 1-4, OBVIOUSLY]
Also, warning for dark topics such as suicidal ideation on #17.
I'm not giving all my evidence/back-up facts for each of these cuz this is long enough just trust me. I can expand on any 1 of these topics if asked directly LMAO
These are not in order, so related points may be spaced out cuz this is a mad dash to get all me and my gf's thoughts down.
Susie will become a dragon kaiju at some point, most likely willingly or semi-willingly to either save the city, or to fight a titan [likely kris] [I am 10000% certain of this]
Kris will become a titan after separating from the soul [which would likely go to susie and turn her into the kaiju]
Someone might sing I'm with you in the dark [which might be a lullaby susie used to hear as a kid from her parents] to susie or kris to bring them back to their senses in these states.
The 'Angel' is us. The player. The person controlling Kris. [However I think someone else GAVE us that connection, there's someone else in the formula here that's in-universe. Possibly gaster.]
Spamton has seen the player and was trying to get to 'heaven' aka the real world. We are like biblically accurate angels to them. Realistic, shaded, etc. We are eldritch. Spamton wanted to become BIGGER, because he thought that was the way to get to heaven because he glimpsed the player.
Spamton technically 'got to heaven' cuz he became a popular plushie and is now a cultural phenomenon irl. Toby won't make plushes of lightners because they're not objects. They're not SUPPOSED to get to our world, narratively. But Darkners want to become real... and becoming real plushes sold by toby kinda grants that wish.
Sans knows about the player/can see us.
Kris, when they look over their shoulder at different points, is looking AT US.
The shadow crystals are possibly pieces of the barrier that separates us the player from the world of deltarune.
"<"deltarune">" [it deletes if I don't put the quotes] is a videogame. It's THE videogame we're playing. The reason the prophecy cannot be changed is because it's. Code. The literal code of the world. I have a side-headcanon that the prophecy was made by kris and asriel when they were younger.
Ralsei doesn't know EVERYTHING. He doesn't know how to change the future.
Susie is now aware of the player, and to an extent... she trusts us. "We're NOT gonna let that happen... right?" she's looking RIGHT at us. She's not talking to kris in that scene. She fears nothing, and will stare us right in the face and ask for help. This connection was formed when she shared a bit of Kris' soul's light when banishing the titan at the end of chapter 4.
I think the last prophecy could be MANY things... but my biggest guess is it's about Toriel being sacrificed or hurt. That's why susie's so upset, and why she can't handle being in the house at the end of chapter 4. She can't look at toriel, knowing what she knows now. To an extent, neither can kris. [kris is also upset abt their mom moving on and getting friendly with sans] [who I believe is /partially/ getting close to toriel to talk with kris or smth related to the prophecy.]
Asgore might see the player [may have already seen?] and go on a rant about them in front of people, pointing at us, claiming he's seen the angel. He'll then be dragged off to asylum. [The flower man, trapped in asylum.] This will likely be witnessed by susie or kris, who will know he's telling the truth, and feel sick they can't defend him.
Carol is the most likely roaring knight. It could also be dess, and it could be an unknown third party. But it's most likely carol.
Kris is terrified of Carol, and she's using SOMETHING to manipulate kris. Something strong enough to make Kris do a bunch of things they really, really don't wanna do [including deal with this fuck-ass soul]
Kris is suicidal, at least in the snowgrave route. This is backed up by some pretty blatant messages from asgore and gerson boom [old man]. And the fact that after gerson tells kris to keep living in the snowgrave route, he gives them an apple. They eat it so aggressively that they eat the core, and the seeds. Apple seeds contain cyanide. Not enough to kill you... but the idea is there. Also, kris would not have stopped kicking the soul in the trash can if asgore hadn't interrupted them. They are at half health at the end of that cutscene.
The titan looks like a generic, realistic human silhouette before fully forming [it's been here the whole time] because it's what kris fears most. it then turns into an angelic form. kris also can't handle looking at other humans. [also susie mentions 'aw yeah giant monster movies, always liked them more than the giant human movies.'] also the prophecy 'the angel, banished, will finally meet its desire' does not show us a picture of them, but susie seems disturbed by what she's seeing. Kris can't look at it. Ralsei seems rattled, but accepting. That's just the way the angel looks. Susie seems like she's seen an eldritch creature. And why won't they show us? they can't. Because it looks. like. you. Whoever is playing the game. It's them.
We need to get Dess out of the code of the game somehow. She fell in somehow and we need to get her out. She's in stasis somewhere. [also I think she's in like... cryosleep, essentially]
Carol is trying to bring back dess.
Carol and Queen are two halves of the same personality. Queen might be based on how carol USED to be. Queen has blue lipstick only on her bottom lip, and carol has the exact same color only on her top lip. 'carol's not so bad when you get to know her', rudy clearly still loves her ['I love her, but she can be tough on noelle'], so clearly he married her for a reason and he's upset she's changed. She's not his wife right now... cuz she's been lost to her grief and obsession. She was overprotective before [like queen is to noelle], but it got turned up to 100 when dess disappeared. She used to be a goofy mom who made jokes, collected silly santas, and preserves her childrens' heartfelt gifts to the point of bronzing noelle's paper snowflakes [the same ones that the knight uses in some of its attacks].
"You were used up" in the secret route [sword route] of chapter 3 is not referring to kris solely, it's also referring to US the player. We're being used by someone in-game.
The realistic stock human face on Flowey in Undertale was foreshadowing the fact that the human player is the Angel in deltarune [and to an extent, undertale too], because it's so out of pocket and unsettlingly... specific. We don't know why a human face, inside a screen, in black and white, is on flowey's face. But we know undertale was the blueprint for deltarune, so there's connections here and there that haven't been explained or revealed yet.
Asriel might have the final piece to fixing everything. Because he helped make the game that the prophecy might have been brought to life from.
The soul is talking. Like. Through speaker phone. That's why kris doesn't sound right to noelle. And why they can close their mouth sometimes to interrupt the soul's dialogue choices. Susie sees nothing weird abt this cuz she JUST met them after the soul took effect.
Asgore might set something ablaze in chapter 5 when he finds out sans and toriel are getting along. 'fields of pink and gold burned in an inferno of jealousy'. he's doing everything in his power to get the family back together, to an obsessive degree, because he believes their family split for stupid, unfair reasons. He believes he's not crazy. And to an extent, he's not.
pink and gold... Red and White and Yellow aux cords? Why were we asked about aux cords in the secret level in chapter 3 you can get by editing the code...? Combine red and white and you get pink? and yellow for the gold? Idk if this is the direct correlation but that one's too crazy not to document.
okay I am tired and there's more but that's the big bois.
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startanewdream · 4 years ago
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Light beam
‘Dad, hypothetically… what would you have done if Mum was Sirius’ sister?’
Or
Lily notices it first, Harry pines and James cheers.
(AKA the Jily Lives AU discussing Hinny, for @sweeethinny and @isidar-mithrim)
Read on AO3 or all below the cut:
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It’s getting late when James apparates at the Burrow, feeling tired. He had spent all week immersed in old tomes across Europe’s oldest libraries, reading lost scrolls of magic theory - Dumbledore asked him to study heavy curse breaks, for whatever reason -, while Lily was away in the strangest Order mission he’d ever heard of: tracking down their old Potions teacher, so Old Slughorn could return to Hogwarts that year. He doesn’t know why this is important, but then again Dumbledore has been more mysterious than usual lately.
James can’t care about it now; all he wants is to go back to their house, to Lily and Harry, and enjoy some part of Harry’s summer holiday with them.
Especially after everything that had happened in June.
But ever since Voldemort had been out in the open again, the number of Order missions had increased. James can’t complain - as long as the Order is doing their job, as long as he is in the field doing what needs to be done, Harry doesn’t need to be involved, and they can pretend there is no prophecy hanging around Harry’s shoulder, carrying the weight of the world with it.
Harry had been quiet and thoughtful since returning from school, and James hopes these last days at the Burrow had helped ease some of his worries; or, at least, that his humour had been better than last summer.
Molly greets him with a warm smile (after making sure they pass each other’s secret code because these are dark times) and points him to her orchard.
‘They’ve been playing Quidditch all day’, she explains amused, offering him a tea in her kitchen. ‘All week, actually. If I would let them, I don’t think they would even return for dining’.
‘Ron would’, James says teasingly, and Molly laughs, agreeing. ‘So… I take everything is fine?’
‘Harry’s been nice, James’, she assures him. ‘He’s been eating all right and talking and… recovering, I guess. But, yes, he seems fine. Like -’
‘A normal teenager?’
She nods.
‘Your son is a good boy’, Molly says fondly, looking outside the window even though they can’t see them out there. ‘You and Lily raised a fine young man. He deserves some peace’.
James sighs.
‘It’s all I wish for him’.
‘You can let him come here all summer if you want’, she adds. ‘We’ve given the highest security protection there is, and here I can keep an eye on him too while you and Lily are out. Harry will enjoy being with Ron and Hermione’. Molly pauses briefly. ‘And with Ginny’.
‘I will talk to Lily’, James says. ‘But I don’t want to bother you or Arthur -’
‘You won’t’, Molly affirms. ‘In fact, don’t you want to stay for dinner?’
‘Lily will be finally home tonight, Molly, but I will accept on another occasion. I will just collect Harry now’.
She smiles. ‘Just follow the sound’, she says, indicating the pathway leaving her kitchen door.
James nods in goodbye and he leaves the illuminated kitchen. The sun is setting, so the pathway is dark, but ahead he can see someone has lighted a blue bonfire; as promised, he hears them even before he sees them.
‘We aren’t really hurting them’, he hears Ron saying, his voice sounding both exasperated and fond, and James knows he is speaking with Hermione.
‘Still, there has to be a better way of keeping gnomes away’.
‘We can always make Crookshanks chase them away. He seems to enjoy it’.
‘He wants to eat them -’
‘Well, it’s that or throwing them away, so -’
James gets closer, stopping just right before the bonfire can illuminate him, enjoying the view. Harry, Ron and Hermione are around the fire, sitting on logs, and while Ron and Hermione are locked in one of their heated discussions - about gnomes, he supposes, but it never took much to get them started -, Harry is quiet, his back for them actually, evidently not being a part of their discussion. For a moment, James thinks this is a bad sign - that Harry is in one of his reflective moods - until he notices Harry is not really brooding.
He is looking up at the sky, where the dark shadow of Ginny flying can be seen cut across the sunset sky. Ginny is making some nice movements - training loops and mid-turn stops - that James will have to remember to praise her later, but right now his eyes are fixed on Harry’s face.
Harry looks… serene? It is not the right word, but James thinks he has never seen that expression on Harry before. He looks simultaneously at ease and amused and fascinated; he looks like his mind is miles away, but still, his eyes don’t miss any move Ginny makes as if he could watch her flying for hours.
And he is smiling like… again, James can’t put his finger on it, can’t name that smile, but he knows he has already seen it before, and not on Harry’s face. Not even on his own - for all the similarities between him and Harry, it is not a smile James has seen in the mirror before. Where then?
It looks so familiar...
Harry suddenly raises, and when James follows the direction of his look, he sees Ginny is making a sudden dive, straight towards the ground. Harry looks ready to bolt towards her, but Ginny straightens her broom and lands smoothly, with an infectious grin on her lips. She had been laughing during her dive.
‘Wronski Feint?’, he hears Harry asking teasingly, as he approaches her. ‘What do you think you are, a Seeker?’
‘Well’, Ginny seems deep in thought, considering his question, but James can hear the same tease in her voice. ‘Last time I checked, yes, I was one’.
‘What happened to only playing Seeker while I was out?’
‘Maybe I enjoyed doing nothing all match. Guess I will see you on tryouts’.
‘Good luck with that’, Harry smirks. ‘I’ll let you know the captain favours me’.
‘Aren’t you the captain?’, Ginny asks, giving him a sly smile. ‘Merlin, they make anyone captain these days’.
‘Watch out’, he warns her, his voice dropping amusement. ‘Or the captain won’t call you’.
‘And lose the Quidditch Cup because he dare to forgo his best Chaser? He wouldn’t’.
‘He wouldn’t’, Harry agrees warmly. ‘As long as such Chaser stays in the Chaser position’.
Ginny laughs.
‘That’s all this Chaser wants’, she assures him, her voice as playful as his. ‘Just try to play all games for once, ok? No visits to the Hospital Wing or getting banished again’.
‘It wouldn’t be a normal year for me if nothing happened’, Harry notes, shrugging.
Ginny sighs.
‘Guess I will keep training that Wronski Feint then. Someone has to win the Quidditch Cup for Gryffindor’.
‘With all the guidance of your captain, it should be easy’, he says, once more grinning happily, all negativity gone. ‘Of course, your Feint needs more improvement -’
‘Improvement?’, she scoffs, and James notes that all her indignation is softened by the fact Ginny is still smiling. ‘That movement would make any decent Seeker fall for it -’
‘I wouldn’t fall’.
‘I said decent Seekers, Potter’.
‘Oh, you are so on, Weasley’, Harry challenges, his eyes shining. ‘Let out the Golden Snitch, we will see who falls for who -’
‘Mr. Potter!’, there is a high shriek and James turns around just as Harry and Ginny look at him, finally noticing him at the edge of the meadow they are. Hermione is up on her feet, her eyes going from James to the bonfire and James has a pretty good idea of who cast the magical fire. ‘We were just -’
‘I am glad Molly lighted the fire for you’, he says dismissively, winking at Hermione, giving her a perfectly reasonable excuse for a bit of underage magic. ‘It is charmed to keep flies away, I hope’.
‘Dad!’, Harry cries, looking glad to see him. ‘You took long, I thought you’d stay in Germany forever’.
‘So dramatic, I wonder who you took that from’, James jokes. ‘Just arrived to take you home’.
‘Ah. Sure’.
That is not the reaction James hoped for. Harry always seemed happy returning home, his favourite place on Earth - but then again, James supposes, their house is so protected lately that Harry would be left alone there, unable to communicate with his friends by owl and most of the time alone, since James and Lily are working over the clock for the Order.
And there would be no Ron and Hermione there.
And no Ginny, he thinks, when he sees Harry glancing briefly in her direction, his shoulder slumped.
‘Molly offered for you to stay here during the day for the Summer’, he says, seeing a bright hope shining on Harry’s eyes at his words. ‘Why don’t I drop you here early and come to pick you in the evening?’
‘Weasley Daycare?’, Ginny pops in, grinning, and Harry turns to her with a mischievous smile already on his lips.
‘Someone needs to take care of you’, he says, and James thinks he isn’t really talking about Ron and Hermione. ‘Maybe even give flying lessons’.
‘I hope you don’t mind picking up pieces of your son, Mr. Potter’, Ginny says, winking at James. ‘He is going to be crushed tomorrow’.
Harry laughs, and it’s a sound so fresh and pure, that James laughs together.
They say their goodbyes and, as he and Harry are on the pathway to the apparition point, James keeps throwing glances in his direction.
That mysterious smile is once more on Harry’s lips, and James wishes he could remember where he has seen the same smile before.
He thinks of what he saw before between Harry and his friends - no, not all his friends. One in particular. Could it be…? James always thought they were a good match - certainly, their interactions in the past have shown all their potential -, and they seemed really friendly a few minutes ago, but he remembers how Harry was when he would talk about Cho Chang. 
Nervous and red and sweating.
He looks the opposite of it now, really.
‘So, what was that?’, he asks, trying to understand his son. Harry blinks, surprised.
‘What?’
‘You and Ginny. You were… bantering’.
‘That was not banter’, Harry disagrees, laughing easily. ‘We were just talking’.
‘And teasing each other’.
Harry shrugs, unconcerned. James almost asks him directly what is really going on between them, but after a second he gives up. Maybe he is seeing things where there aren’t - Harry would tell him if there was something to tell.
But, still, that inexplicable smile keeps turning up afterwards, when they are dining and Harry is happily retelling his adventures from his days at the Burrow, talking about their Quidditch plays and throwing-gnomes contests and how he and Ginny were laughing about Bill and Fleur’s relationship and teasing Ron. James can’t help but notice Ginny’s name is mentioned most of the time.
Lily, who seems to as tired as James feels after a week away from home, is looking at Harry with an amused expression on her face as if she is watching for the first time a movie that will soon be her favourite.
‘Harry seems to have had a great time at the Burrow’, Lily says cryptically, as they are getting ready for bed. ‘I’m glad he will be there more’.
‘Yeah… did you notice something weird about him?’
‘Weird?’, she laughs to herself. ‘Different, maybe, but not weird’.
James looks at the smirk on her face.
‘You know what’s going on with him’, he accuses.
‘I was surprised you didn’t catch… But then again you didn’t notice the first time too’.
‘Lily - all this suspense is killing me. Harry is smiling like that all night and I can’t put my finger where I’ve seen it before -’
‘Come on, James, you know our son and me better than anyone. You really have no idea what is happening?’
He shakes his head, and she laughs again before placing a soft kiss on his lips.
‘Do you know how everyone says Harry looks just like you?’
‘Except for your eyes’.
‘And his smile’, she adds. ‘Harry’s got your lips, maybe, but his smile is all mine’.
‘So?’
‘So this Harry’s new smile is not new at all. If you weren’t so certain I wasn’t going to ever fancy you back, you would see that I beamed like that for you for a whole year before we went out together for the first time’.
‘Oh’.
‘Dorcas and Lene used to tease me all the time for being so oblivious to you - and they were right, it took me a long time of admiring you and pining after you to realize I fancied you a lot’.
‘Oh, so that means -’
‘That means Harry is still as oblivious as I was, so don’t interfere, James’, Lily adds, looking knowingly at him.
‘But -’
‘No prying. Let him find out in his own time. When he comes to talk to you, then you can gush all over like you want’.
‘That could take months!’, James complains, moping.
‘Don’t take that away from him’, she asks, laying down by his side. ‘Let him be a normal boy falling in love for the first time. It worked out for us, didn’t it?’
James sighs.
‘Well, Harry is much better than I was. Hopefully, it won’t take long’.
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Harry doesn’t say anything for the rest of the Summer, even though, now James is looking at the signs, he sees it is really obvious how Harry’s eyes seem to shine brighter when Ginny is around, how he always looks for her the first time he enters in a room and how he seems to request her presence in everything he is in.
Lily says he can’t fault Harry for being clueless, reminding him that James had once been surprised when Lily had actually accepted his invitation for going out with him (‘I changed all our patrol rounds so we could always be together, James, and I kept finding reasons to touch you, how much more oblivious can a girl be?’), but James doubts he took that long to notice Lily’s feelings for him. And it’s his own feelings Harry has to notice - how much time can that take?
Still, time passes by and Harry starts his Sixth Year at Hogwarts without any mention of his growing feelings. His letters don’t say anything different, and James is almost giving up on his son ever realizing he actually fancies Ginny when they return home for Christmas.
And, by Merlin, it is suddenly so clear that Harry is pining after her that he doesn’t know how other people don’t notice it too. Harry actually sighs - a heavy, deep-from-the-chest sigh - when Ginny makes a silly joke and dances around him, his eyes following her with unquestionable longing.
He remembers Harry telling him how we went with Luna for Slughorn’s party - just as friends - and his confession that girls seemed more interest in him than usual, and James thinks all those girls are losing their time. Harry’s heart clearly belongs to someone else already.
The only thing James doesn’t get it is why Harry is pining instead of doing something about it.
As much as amused as Lily seems to be by the situation, she still forbids James of saying anything before Harry does, so James forces himself to press his lips for most of the Christmas holiday, watching his son stealing glances at Ginny like she is the only Golden Snitch he couldn’t ever catch.
Then, finally, Harry knows his father knows. It’s because of something silly, really: they are all together on Christmas morning at the Burrow, when Ginny says brightly:
‘Harry! You’ve got a maggot in your hair’, and then, as she picks it up, Harry reddens slightly and shivers at the same time. It’s rather adorable, James thinks, and he can’t help but smirk as his eyes meet Harry’s, which only makes his son flush even more, caught is his body admission that he is attracted to Ginny Weasley.
Fortunately for Harry - or not - there is a distraction in the shape of the Minister of Magic and the matter is dropped in all that happens and in the delight James feels as he watches Harry walking straight with Scrimgeour, refusing to accept being the poster boy for politics he doesn’t agree with.
Sometimes, more than others, James feels he and Lily did raise Harry very well. His heart bursts of pride for his son.
Harry is quiet when they return to their house for the night, accepting in silence the tea James offers him, and James thinks he must have a lot on his mind, with all the Minister proposed him and all Harry has been learning with Dumbledore - which the headmaster promised James and Lily it was important, even though he couldn’t share its contents with them…
‘Dad?’, Harry asks in a very soft voice. ‘Can I ask your opinion about something?’
James nods, thinking it’s strange for Harry to be so formal.
Harry glances around, to confirm they are alone in the Potter’s living room, before asking:
‘Just say it, hypothetically… what would you have done if Mum was Sirius’ sister?’
James blinks. There is a list of things Harry could ask him, a list of things that could worry him, but this…
He grins without being able to control it, and Harry sees it.
‘Oh, forget it’, he says, crossing his arms and looking very much like Lily when she is annoyed.
‘Sorry, Harry, I wasn’t -’, James fights back another smile, trying to look reassuringly at his son. ‘I just wasn’t expecting it, that’s all. With everything that is happening, it’s nice seeing you worry about something so normal’.
Harry frowns.
‘It is not normal’, he murmurs.
‘Fancying your best friend’s sister? It kind of is’.
He can see Harry’s face heating up again, but Harry doesn’t deny fancying Ginny.
‘It doesn’t feel normal’, Harry says, with a heavy sigh. ‘It feels like I am betraying Ron or something -’
‘Take from a guy who has actually been betrayed by a close friend, Harry, this is not betrayal’, James assures him. ‘Do you just want to mess her around?’
‘No!’, Harry seems appalled by the idea. ‘I actually like her, but…’, he bits his lips just as Lily does when she is nervous. ‘Ron caught Ginny and her boyfriend a while ago together, and… and he was so mad that I keep thinking - if Ginny was with me there instead, he would hate me too…’
‘Ginny is dating someone else?’, he asks, surprised. He had never heard Ginny mentioning anyone.
‘Yeah’, Harry looks dejected. ‘Dean. He is nice, I suppose, and he can draw so well… Sirius always told me girls like artistic boys’.
‘Well’, James tries to joke. ‘You are the Chosen One’.
‘Big deal’, Harry answers, clearly thinking he is misqualified as boyfriend material. ‘It is not like I have worked for it’.
‘You play Quidditch’.
‘He is in the team too’, Harry points out, gloomy. ‘You said you and Mum dated other people when you were younger?’
‘Yeah’.
‘How… how did you deal with it?’
James shrugs.
‘I don’t know if I can tell you exactly, Harry. It’s been so long ago that any jealousy I felt then doesn’t seem to matter anymore. I just remember hating it, of course, and wishing it would be me. But also -’
‘You wanted her to be happy too’, Harry finishes for him, with a sigh. James gives him a sympathetic look.
‘You can’t meddle with her relationship, Harry. If she really likes her boyfriend, then there is nothing you can do. And if not… these things crumble with time. Like you and Cho’.
‘That was not really a relationship’, Harry disagrees but he nods. ‘I guess I just have to wait then’.
‘And when it ends, that doesn’t really change your situation’, reminds James. ‘Ginny will still be Ron’s sister. What will you do then?’
Harry looks at the fireplace, without answering, and James can read easily his intern conflict.
‘You and Ron have been friends for a long time, Harry’, says James slowly. ‘I think that means he trusts you, including to be a good boyfriend to his only sister. But unless you talk to him first -’
Harry throws him an alarmed look.
‘Yeah, I think it’s a bad idea’, James notes, grinning. ‘Ginny would hex you if she knew you were asking for permission from any of her brothers’.
That makes Harry laugh.
‘She would’, he agrees, his voice full of tenderness as if he loves the fact that Ginny would really hex him without hesitation.
Oh, Merlin, Harry has really fallen. 
‘Well, then, you are going to take a leap of faith on this. You know, for once do that thing where you act first think later for a good reason’.
‘It’s easier facing Voldemort’, Harry says, only half-playful.
‘I can’t really say, I’ve only done one of them’, points James in the same voice. ‘But I really think Sirius would have been happy for me if Lily was his sister’.
Harry nods in silence, lost in his thoughts, until finally, he smiles at James.
‘I will keep that in mind, Dad. Thanks’.
James waves dismissively. ‘No problem. Just promise to keep me updated, ok? Your mum and I have placed our bets’.
Harry blinks.
‘Mum knows?’
‘No offence, Harry, but I am surprised people don’t know. You’ve been pining all over Ginny since summer break’.
‘I wasn’t -’, their eyes meet and Harry blinks, unsure. ‘I was?’
James nods solemnly. Harry shakes his head.
‘At least tell me you bet in my favour’, he asks, and James laughs.
‘We wouldn’t dare bet against you’, he promises, and he doesn’t add that he feels Harry wasn’t really the only one whose feelings have grown up during summer.
But that is for Harry to discover eventually, with a little bit of luck.
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Harry is beaming.
It is not that James has never seen Harry happy before; he was a cheerful child, and even with things getting darker lately, there have been good cheery moments.
But Harry is positively beaming, his mother’s green eyes shining with bliss and a bit of amazement as if he can’t believe he gets to be this happy. There is something weirdly familiar about that smile, though, and James wonders where he has seen it before.
‘Hi, Dad!’, he begins, and his smile is so bright that James is surprised the whole room isn’t alighted by it.
‘Hello, son’, he says slowly, trying to understand what made Harry call him early in the Sunday morning in their two-way mirror.
As far as James knows, ever since the last time he talked with Harry - and it had been a tense conversation when Harry had confessed using an unknow dark spell on the Malfoy boy -, nothing could have happened to leave Harry in such high spirit. There was the final Quidditch match the day before, the one Harry hadn’t been allowed to play - maybe Gryffindor had won? That still wouldn’t explain his exceptional good mood or the early call, though…
‘We won’, Harry says, almost like if he is reading James’ mind. ‘Over three hundred points, just as we needed it. Ginny caught the Snitch’.
Harry smiles even more than it’s humanly possible as he mentions Ginny, and James has suddenly a vision of himself twenty years ago, entering hurriedly the men’s bathroom on the Three Broomsticks, throwing water over his face to confirm he wasn’t dreaming.
He had been really awake then, still with that lingering feeling of Lily Evans’ lips over his, and he realized that it all had been real - his date with Lily, her confession that she definitely fancied him and their first kiss - until James was left facing his own reflection in the mirror as if it belonged to someone else - someone that was happy beyond words, someone that couldn’t believe everything that had happened. He had been beaming then.
Just like Harry is now.
Harry’s pining smile may be Lily’s, but Harry’s in love smile is all James’.
‘Oh, Merlin, it happened’, he cries, resisting the urge to dance with the mirror in his hand. ‘Tell me everything!’
‘We are dating’, Harry admits, the satisfaction clear in his voice. ‘I did my thing’.
‘What is your thing? If it’s a weird teenage thing -’
‘That act first, think later thing’, Harry says, laughing. ‘I returned to the Common Room and we had won - Ginny had won for us - and she was running towards me and she looked so amazing and she had this blazing look -’
‘You snogged her in front of the entire Gryffindor House?’, James asks, and Harry nods, not looking remotely ashamed. ‘I am so proud of you’.
Harry lets out another happy giggle. It’s the most carefree laugh James has heard in a long time.
‘It wasn’t planned, it just… happened. And  -’, Harry’s smile softens a little. ‘Ron was really happy for us’.
‘Of course he was’.
‘He did warn me to not, you know, break her heart or anything, but it’s fair’. Harry looks resolute. ‘I won’t. Break her heart, I mean’.
‘Good, because you are going to answer to me too if you hurt her’.
‘I think Ginny could handle herself’, Harry points out fondly, undisturbed by his father’s warning. ‘And I just want to make her as happy as I feel’. He pauses, as if to gather his thoughts, and when he talks again, it looks like Harry is talking to himself. ‘It’s been a long time since I felt like this… normal, I mean. People were talking about us last night at dinner, but I just couldn’t care less for once, you know? All I could think was that I was just so lucky that Ginny happened to fancy me back and that she agreed to date me… It is like I have this Patronus with me all the time now’.
James smiles.
‘I’m so happy for you two, Harry. You once asked me how I felt about your mother - well, it started like that’.
‘Dad, we’ve been dating for a day, take it easy’.
‘I will uphold planning the wedding’, James promises solemnly, making Harry blush and roll his eyes.
‘As if you don’t have everything sorted out already’, Harry scoffs, but his voice sounds more amused than anything. ‘Well, I have to go. I promised I would meet her for breakfast’.
‘Then go, don’t let your girlfriend waiting’.
‘Girlfriend’, Harry repeats, seeming to savor the word. ‘See you later, Dad -’
‘Actually, Harry, one thing before you go. Who made the first move?’
‘What do you mean?’
‘You kissed her, or did she kiss you?’
Harry looks thoughtfully.
‘I think it was me, but since she was coming towards me... Does it make a difference?’
‘It does for us. That’s what your mum and I bet about’
Harry chuckles again.
‘Let me guess, you bet on Ginny’.
‘It’s not that I don’t trust you, son -’
‘That’s okay, I would bet on her too’, Harry assures. ‘I will discuss this later with her’.
‘Oh, “discuss”, is that how you say snogging nowadays?’
‘I said later, not that it’s all we would do’, Harry ponders, shameless. ‘Now I really gotta go. Don’t want to leave her waiting for me’.
‘Go on’, James says, watching the mirror flicker and show his own smiling face.
He is still grinning when he returns to the bed and kisses the top of Lily’s head as she rolls to hug him.
‘What was it?’, she asks lazily.
‘Oh, nothing unusual. Just our son finally kissing Ginny’.
‘What?’, Lily jumps, suddenly waken. ‘Tell me everything!’
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spinnenpfote6 · 6 years ago
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Idk if I’m taking it the wrong way but it bugs me how in the Prequels, Anakin’s love for his mother Shmi and his wife Padme are framed as his weakness and that his emotions are what drove him to the Dark Side when it was all just natural. They took little Anakin away from his mom and then shamed him for missing her and told him to “man up”, when he was concerned for her the Jedi told him to stop caring but he didn’t and he was right: his mom had been in danger. But his tears when she died are not him being sad that she died, but that he is “falling to the Dark Side”. As if grieving wasn’t appropriate and instead a sign of evilness.
And when pregnant Padme was dying in his dreams, Anakin wasn’t taken seriously by Yoda and told to just stop caring because “death is natural”. And what did we get? Padme did die in the end. There is a reason that he was trying to keep his love to her a secret and eventually turned to Palpatine: Because no one listened to him when he was expressing concern and emotions for his family members. Palpatine seemed to be the only one to care about his feelings and the only one to give him actual advice, but Anakin his still framed as the bad guy for listening to his feelings, especially his feelings towards women, as they are essentially “corrupting his pure mind and true self”. And I don’t care that this was some kind of shitty, self-fulfilling prophecy.
Luke is told similar stuff in the Originals: that he should shut off his emotions because they are “leading him to the Dark Side” or that he should “stop loving Leia” because the other (bad) men could see this as a weakness. Yet Yoda and the other Jedi are still framed as wise and right, while Anakin and Luke are supposed to come off as bratty and impulsive. Not to mention that fear alone doesn’t lead to hatred because experiencing fear is very much needed in a human’s life to prevent them from dangers. Especially fearing for your loved ones is not, as the Jedi put it, something bad that will turn you evil.
But still, it is shown that Luke being concerned and having intense emotions is what makes him fail his training and therefore something he should stop, to be “better”. But in the end, Luke successfully brings Vader back to the Light because he was thinking of him as a father in an emotional way and this is how he managed to reach out to that last spark of Anakin that was left in Vader.
Both Anakin and Luke are actually at their best when they are trying to save their friends and family, they are determined and compassionate, not evil, because they are right.
In the Sequels though, Ben Solo aka Kylo Ren is actually framed as good for staying to his true self and emotions in the end and his love for his parents and Rey is not something that corrupts him, but what brings him back to the Light in the end. (In addition, I wanted to mention that I firmly believe that Kylo Ren is a character who is coded as mentally ill). The good relationships with women in his life is what fuels his good side, not the other way around, like in the Prequels. Same with Luke at the end TLJ on Crait, where he is fueled by giving his sister hope.
 Especially in TFA, Kylo is constantly seen trying to put on an emotionless face and to deny his true feelings (”[Han] means nothing to me.”), which result in fits of rage because it is actually damaging him to mask his true self. We have seen Kylo/Ben at the end of TROS: the tantrum-throwing bad guy isn’t who he really is. He isn’t taken seriously by someone either, until Rey comes by and offers him support, what gives him hope and a reason to change. And regarding Kylo being a “crybaby who should man-up” - this is a dangerous thing to say as well. Kylo isn’t actually crying in the moments when he’s evil, but in the moments where he is allowing himself to feel his real emotions.
Take a look at the confrontation between him and Han in TFA for example: When Han approaches Kylo on the bridge, he is trying to talk him out of thinking that the “mighty Kylo Ren” whom Snoke apparantly values and teaches so well, is an illusion and that he didn’t destroy his son. Kylo still tries to be in his role until his true self breaks out: he starts crying and admits his true feelings (”I’m being torn apart. I want to be free of this pain!”). And we see that he actually is torn apart and thinking of going back to the Light side. But when he decides not to and commit the horrible act of killing his father instead, he stops crying and puts on an emotionless face,shutting off his true feelings once again, right in the moment where his father forgivingly strokes his cheek one last time.
And what happens? Kylo trying to cut off the bond with his father and telling himself to not feel a thing about the murder only results in backfiring, causing even more pain and confusion for Kylo and throwing him into an even bigger identity crisis. And he realizes that he cannot kill his mother and feels ashamed for what he has done to her life in TROS, believing that she will hate him, even if he comes back. He knew how bad his crimes were in the end.
But when he is vulnerable to Rey, actually crying out of compassion for her, he has a goal in life again: killing Snoke and starting a new order with Rey by his side. Not quite what is needed, but it is the next step in being himself again and valuing his actual wants again. No matter how much I hated how they trated the character in TROS, I will always cherish those 3 minutes of Ben Solo we got at the end. And in this movie we also see that Kylo isn’t even able to “ fully go back” to his fake identity from TFA. He obviously tries to, but fails. Rey knows this, calling it out to him how she can “see through the cracks of his mask”. The fact that the Knights Of Ren put his mask back together could imply that Kylo is again forced by others to literally and metaphorically “mask himself”.
At the end, Kylo/Ben was cherished for his true emotions and giving in to them, to his love and concern and having compassion and not to suppress his feelings because he was told that this was right. He wasn’t weak for crying, he was weak for thinking he shouldn’t.
Because this is actually a beautiful message that boys should keep in mind.
Telling boys and young men to be emotionless, to be careful with bonding with other people and staying to their true emotions on the other hand, is not a good message.
Also, for more information on this topic, watch “The Case Against The Jedi Order” by Pop Culture Detective on YouTube.
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