#also Gaemon is the son of Aegon II

[what-is-canon]

Post-Dance AU (because I hate how George decided to completely eradicate the Greens *cough* Alicent’s *cough* line)

Jaehaera survives the assassination attempt by Unwin Peake because that poor girl did not deserve that horrific end and that’s that.

She and Aegon III bond over time, because these traumatized kids deserve some happiness and you know what? Maybe they are the only two people in the world right now who understand even a semblance of what the other has gone through (Aegon watched his mother die, Jaehaera watched her twin brother be slaughtered) and maybe they both recognize that neither of them is responsible for what their families did to each other so why should they resent one another?

Over time they become a great comfort to each other. On the days where one is particularly gloomy, the other sits by them and holds their hand and they are content to sit in silence together and neither needs to say what they’re feeling because the other already knows.

They are both very close with Gaemon Palehair. He and Aegon are close for the same reasons as within canon, while Jaehaera believes that Gaemon truly is her half-sibling, her last remaining brother.

Eventually, Alyn Velaryon brings Viserys II home from Essos, but the boy comes alone (a 12-year-old boy married to a 19-year-old woman, yeah I think the fuck not, not in my history, and besides even if they had been closer in age Larra Rogare hated Westeros so let her stay in Essos like she wanted and live her own life there and be happy).

Like in canon, Aegon is somewhat neglectful of his wife and friend in the wake of his brother’s return, but Jaehaera and Gaemon understand his actions. Anyway, they still have each other for company. Viserys is incredibly distrustful of Jaehaera, and Aegon pleads with Viserys to be more understanding of their marriage and the comfort they have found in each other.

Aegon decides to hold a feast to celebrate Viserys’s return. Viserys spends most of the festivities with Baela and Rhaena, preferring not to fraternize with the daughter of the man who killed his mother. In the company of his sisters is Daenaera Velaryon (aged up in to be closer in age to Viserys because an 11-year-old boy and a 6-year-old girl? It’s a no from me).

Daenaera manages to cheer Viserys with her happy nature, and he’s quite taken by how pretty she is. Unwin Peake, having never been exposed as the one behind Jaehaera’s assassination attempt (as is also the case in canon) brings his daughter to the feast in the hopes that she will catch the eye of Viserys, but Viserys has already taken a shine to Daenaera, ruining his plans once again.

The pair begin to exchange letters and (like Aegon and Jaehaera) bond over their losses. Viserys tells Aegon about his correspondence with Daenaera, and when Aegon tells Jaehaera, she decides to invite Daenaera to court as her lady-in-waiting. Viserys is delighted, and slowly begins to warm to Jaehaera.

As in canon, Aegon’s removal of the dragon eggs from the Red Keep causes a rift between the brothers. Unwin Peake continues to plot treason, conspiring to kill Aegon and Jaehaera so that Viserys may become King and take his daughter as his bride. But if his daughter is to become Viserys’s Queen, Daenaera Velaryon must also be removed. It is no secret by now that Viserys is very taken with the the girl, and intends to marry her.

Jaehaera and Daenaera eat the canonical poisoned tarts during a private dinner organized for the four. Aegon and Viserys narrowly avoid poisoning as they are delayed by a Small Council meeting. As in canon, Gaemon dies, devastating both Aegon and Jaehaera. The rift between Aegon and Viserys is mended as they help their respective ladies recover. Aegon and Jaehaera comfort each other through the loss of Gaemon, and Viserys proposes marriage to Daenaera, which she accepts. Oh, and Unwin Peake is finally exposed and executed (I still cannot believe this man escaped justice in canon, but not on my watch).

The four form a strong unit within the Red Keep and are, well, as happy as four traumatized young adults can be. They finally have the family each was deprived of at such a young age. Aegon eventually names Viserys his Hand, Jaehaera gives birth to Aegon’s five children, and Daenaera gives birth to Viserys’s three.

But unfortunately, canonical events must still come to pass. Aegon and Jaehaera pass away within months of each other in 157 AC; Daenaera dies some years later, and Viserys becomes his stern canonical self in the wake of her death. The crown passes from Aegon, to Daeron, to Baelor, to Viserys himself, to Aegon IV, who legitimizes the Blackfyres- who are now the descendants of both the Blacks and the Greens.

[befooremoonrisee]

to me one of grrm's biggest screw-ups is not letting gaemon and jaehaera grow into adulthood, because the dynamics those two could have with aegon lend themselves to so much.

you're aegon iii and you're forced to marry the daughter of the man who killed your mother and your brothers. her only friend is her dragon and you hate dragons because one killed your mother in front of you and two others killed your brothers. she hates you and would kill you if that didn't mean her own demise. your best friend is also a son of aegon ii, but he hates him too, as he is responsible for the death of his mothers, he was a pretender, he is a nice kid who wants to help people just like you. he's the only one that understands you.

you're jaehaera, your father won the war, but you're forced to become the wife of the son of the man who killed your twin, the woman who put a bounty on your other brother's head and who drove your mother to suicide. your grandmother, the only family you have left, is crazy with grief, she wants you to kill aegon. you're just a child. your dragon is a wretched delicate thing, just like you, your husband hates it. he is afraid of it, it makes you happy. your only brother (if he is your brother) doesn't like you, he spends all his time with aegon, you try to bond with him, but he is not jaehaerys. he will never be.

you're gaemon, son of a whore, bastard of a king. you were the hope of the smallfolk, a path for liberation, but the royals came and they killed your moms. now you're their pet, their tool to avoid being poisoned. you love aegon, he shares the same wounds as you, but you resent him, he is using your body, your life, that's what you smallfolk are for the royals, just pawns in their little games. maybe you're tired of it. then viserys comes back and you're discarded, not longer a friend, but just a tool. jaehaera claims she's your sister, but she isn't, aegon is nothing to you, she creeps you out, she understands what being a hostage is.

[atopvisenyashill]

George Is A Coward For Never Doing Gay Incest

an incomplete list of gay incest he could have done, it was right fucking there come onnnn

Rhaenys/Visenya you are telling me lesbian icon Visenya who hates her husband and lives completely separately from him for decades but somehow managed to live with him while Rhaenys is alive wasn’t in love with Rhaenys? that the paternity of both aenys and maegor is questioned and we get nothing to delve into how that affected the relationship between the sisters? cowardly!

Viserys/Daemon, i’m gonna be honest EYE consider this canon and there’s nothing george can do about it, like daemon beats the messenger who told him viserys remarried bc he’s so mad and that’s NOT gay rage over how much he wants to be his brother’s wife so they can be aegon and visenya and conquer the world together, even while daemon flaunts his privileges as a man?? nah i see right through gyldayn’s heterosexuality.

Aegon II/Aemond, you're telling me Aemond calls himself protector of the realm while his brother is dying of his wounds but specifically doesn't call himself king, and Aegon throws Aemond a party after Aemond kinslays and helps kicks off the war and those two weren't fucking?? whack.

Baela/Rhaena, Baela has this amazing, bad ass, ultimately completely useless stand off that ends in the deaths of two dragons, eventually married to an uncle/cousin who cheats on her constantly, and is completely shut out of politics aka she gets Rhaenyra-ed, and meanwhile Rhaena gets two husbands that adore her, a dragon, and significant respect from the Lords, I am telling you there is some sort of psychosexual obsession here in how in order for Rhaena to rise (and HEAL), Baela must fall and suffer, and Baela "trying desperately to be Daemon's mini me" Targaryen wouldn't get obsessive over this.

Aegon III/Gaemon Palehair is possibly incest given we don’t know who Gaemon’s father is, also i know there’s an awkward age gap but see: my gay little hands and characters i like, also, there’s weird age gaps everywhere and aegon ii was old enough to have a bastard closer to aegon iii’s age if george had been less of a coward smh. so much here in the way gaemon’s crown is torn from his head along with his mothers and he’s forced to serve the monarchy, only to fall in love with the living embodiment of every painful memory gaemon has, of aegon resenting the crown on his own head bc if he’d been the fourth born son he could have never married and lived his life with gaemon, with his brothers, with his mother, but now they’re stuck in these roles that are going to devour them whole and he can see it coming but he can’t stop it!

Daena/Elaena, listen, two sisters with bastards who choose different sides of a war because daena has only ever found freedom with the traditional, racist fucks that want to crown her son so she throws her lot in with them because she will not be a prisoner ever again dammit and elaena was only ever freed when daeron allowed her an outlet for her immense intelligence and she’s in love with a dornish man who opens her eyes to the prejudices at court, and under all that are two girls who only ever found peace in the maidenvault through their small, stolen kisses and raising their bastards together, a little odd family forced together by the madness of their brother completely split apart by the madness of court LIKE??? HELLO?

Baelor Breakspear/Maekar, think of the POSSIBILITIES of how the monarchy is purposefully stepping away from incest only for two brothers so dissimilar to find an attraction between them they don’t understand, Maekar always jealous of all that Baelor is given while Baelor longs for Maekar’s relative freedom and they refuse to say what they really mean, how they really feel, and Baelor dies by Maekar’s hand IT IS GIVING ALRIGHT

Jon/Aegon VI, I will be pushing this literally until the day ados comes out and my whole “they gave show!dany aegon’s plot in the stormlands, the reach, and dorne which means jon/aegon is going to be full of homoeroticism and we will get a scene where Jon calls Aegon a child and Aegon throws a petulant fit in front of his unknown half baby brother” theory gets jossed. and if he doesn’t do it he’s a coward AND I STAND ON THAT.

[goodqueenaly]

Do you think Gaemon Palehair really was Aegon II's bastard, or that at least Aegon III believed he was?

Maybe? On a purely practical level, at least, Gaemon being the son of the future King Aegon II does not seem impossible. Aegon the Elder was certainly living in King’s Landing at the time Gaemon was conceived, and if Gaemon’s mother was herself already living in King’s Landing (and there is no indication that she and Gaemon settled in King's Landing after the latter's birth), there was a possibility of the two meeting and conceiving a son. Even if Gaemon was not necessarily that “boy [Aegon fathered] on a girl whose maidenhood [Aegon] won at auction on the Street of Silk”, according to Mushroom’s gossipy report, this alleged patronage in the sex workers of King’s Landing on Aegon’s part may provide an explanation as to how Aegon the Elder could have fathered Gaemon. Gaemon’s pale hair, of course, could easily be read as an inheritance from his father or other Targaryen antecedents: while we don’t have full details on Aegon’s appearance, GRRM’s report that Aegon bore “a strong resemblance to his father” (who himself had a “silver-gold mustache”) certainly suggests that Aegon also had the pale hair common to Valyrian descendants. Too, it may be notable that unlike the would-be king Trystane Trufyre or the Shepherd, Gaemon was pardoned and made a ward of the crown - a rare act of mercy in the twilight of Aegon II’s reign which perhaps indicates some personal investment on the part of the king in Gaemon’s well-being.

At the same time, I would not say Gaemon being Aegon II’s son is a foregone conclusion. While we should certainly consider the fact that the information came under torture, Essie’s admission that Gaemon’s biological father was a Lysene oarsman is at least a possible explanation for both Gaemon’s existence and his pale hair. Likewise, we have no indication that Aegon II thought particularly fondly of the boy; indeed, unlike with Trystane (where it was Aegon himself who knighted the would-be squire king before the latter was executed), Aegon doesn’t seem to have interacted with Gaemon at all, and the passive voice used by Gyldayn to describe Gaemon’s pardon makes it impossible to tell who directed that decision. (Too, Borros Baratheon’s rough treatment of Gaemon at the time of his capture - “carried back to the Red Keep slung over the back of a horse, chained and weeping” - hardly suggests that he knew, or had been instructed to know, that he was dealing with a king’s son.) There is in fact some real-world historical precedent from which GRRM may be drawing for showing mercy on such a figure: when young Lambert Simnel, probably about 10 years old, was proclaimed “King Edward VI” as the figurehead of a failed Yorkist rebellion against King Henry VII, the first Tudor king showed the boy mercy, not only not executing him but actually giving him a position at court (first in the royal kitchens, and eventually as a court falconer). Nor do I read Aegon III’s affection for Gaemon as indicating some secret knowledge of the latter’s supposed royal lineage: not only would Aegon III himself have had no reason to know who Gaemon’s biological father was, but Gyldayn makes it pretty explicit that Aegon’s care for Gaemon came as a direct result of the young king’s sorrow over the (supposed) loss of his own younger brother, Viserys (and to that point, Gyldayn notes that after “Prince Viserys … became King Aegon’s constant companion” following his return, “Gaemon Palehair was cast aside and forgotten”).

Ultimately, I would say the answer doesn’t really matter, both because we’ll probably never get the objective truth on the matter and because the narrative does not really dwell on the question. Gyldayn merely refers to Gaemon as “supposedly a bastard of the missing King Aegon II” and later as a “bastard born of a whore” (and specifically used the last designation to explain why Gaemon “counted for little in the court”); there is, so far as we know, no investigation into Gaemon’s paternal origins, no allusions to his paternity (as compared to, say, Alyn Velaryon, where Willis Fell openly identified him as having “a snake for a sire”), no hints by anyone save his mother as to who might have fathered him. As GRRM himself once noted, “[w]ithout blood tests or DNA, establishing paternity was a lot more hit and miss”, and I think that’s probably the case with Gaemon. Young Gaemon's potential blood connection to Aegon II matters only in the sense that his mother seized upon it (or the idea of it) to present him as a king; if he might have otherwise grown up in obscurity as one of the many lowborn children of King’s Landing, Gaemon was instead, thanks to that claim, subjected to a roller coaster of pseudo-royalty, violent upheaval, courtly semi-protection, and ultimately horrific murder.

[mermaidslabyrinth]

Aegon Targaryen

Born: 149 AC at Strongsong in the Vale

Parents: Aemond Targaryen and Helaena Targaryen

Other Name(s): Aegon ‘Of the Vale’ Targaryen. Aegon the Peaceful

General Appearance: Shaggy, white/blond hair. Lilac eyes. 5'11”. He looks like Aegon II reborn but with his father's sharp eyes.

Personality: Kind. Peaceful. Calm. Sarcastic.

Special Talents: Plays the fiddle.

Facts: He is the first of his name to actually never have a bad word said about him. He just wants all to live in peace and happiness. He likes to play the fiddle at family gatherings. Even if his siblings tell him not to. He's a decent player, they've just had their fill of him.

Face Claim: Ed Speleers (Eragon)

Spouse: Daela Hightower (1st cousin once removed; Garmund and Rhaena's 6th daughter; Younger twin to Laenaera) {India Amarteif [Queen Charlotte]}

{Married in 167 AC; Aegon was 18. Laenaera was 16} (Lives at Oldtown in the Reach)

Children:

B) Gaemon Targaryen {169 AC}

G) Rhaelora Targaryen {173 AC}

Little Notes:

Their son Gaemon is a nod to Gaemon Palehair bc as much as I tried to fit him in my story he just didn't work

Daela is the identical twin to Laenaera but the younger twin

They live in the same home as Laenaera and Aekarl

The two girls refused to be separated. Aekarl and Aegon were accommodating. Being 5th and 3rd sons also played a factor

She is more of the demure/calmer of sisters

So her and Aegon work wondrous together

They are able to help keep the peace around where they live and work well with one another

However their kids are little hellions whom they love dearly

[horizon-verizon]

Hello, since we were on the topic of Jaehaera, Aegon III and Gaemon. Why do you think Aegon III became best friends with Gaemon, but couldn't stand to be around Jaehaera? Even Essie ''confessed'' that Gaemon was not Aegon II's son, I doubt many people bought it.

Also, the greens scrambled and presented theories that Jaehaera was the mother of Aegon's children (originally) but why the fuck would Aegon III name his firstborn son after Daeron the war criminal? Daeron despite his courtesy and looks, he was just the lesser evil of Aemond. Or how could they explain Jaehaera's daughter naming her son Daemon - after the man who traumatized her mother so?

They cannot accept that the greens' lost. The green stans in general are so... intresting. They hate HotD, but almost everything they love of their faves is HotD only creation, (biggest example is them loving s1e6/7 Alicent even if bookAlicent did not act like that) I sometimes wish they just adapted it as it was, with Alicent ''beefing'' with Rhaenyra, with the greens ALWAYS being the instigators and how pathetic Aegon, Aemond are. They even complain about the dreamer arc which was meant to make Helaena more intresting (even if was badly done)

I answer why he wasn't close to Jaehaera HERE...though I think this should be obvious, no offense.

Why Gaemon? Because Gaemon's parents are not like Jaehaera for the reasons in the post I link above AND Gaemon was the most available. Aegon had no one else who he be able to be intimate with and had an idea of what he went through, as Gaemon's own mother had also been killed/executed by Jaehaera's father Aegon II. Of course, he was also one of the only children around in a regency full of adults who see him as both too much a child and also a "job"; while Gaemon could have perceived Aegon as a king, he was younger than Aegon and thus have less of a real understanding of "king". So Gaemon likely treated him like a companion.

Alicent of s1 episode 6 & 7 def was the closest depiction in all the HotD episodes thus far of how bk!Alicent would act in that she would be hostile towards Rhaenyra, use disguised-barbed words against the elder Rhaenyra before others, and use underhanded tactics at every opportunity.

In the book, she is the one who first calls for any sort of corporal punishment or harm, for Aemond's lost eye. So her raging (verbally) at Rhaenyra--even at Viserys and demanding justice--and losing some composure is fairly canon compliant; it's possible that the book or the observers mitigated what she actually did and whatnot. However, it doesn't seem likely that she would have attacked Lucerys or Rhaenyra directly and physically. Not at this point, or at least convey her rage about Rhaenyra's supposed spoiledness for anyone to hear her. IDK, it could work if there hadn't been that attempt to dole out physical punishment herself, even if one argued she later did with Jaehaera....that was after she lost ALL her kids.

As for episode 6, Alicent being in the council didn't make sense and was not canon compliant. It didn't make sense bc Queen Consorts are never in council unless they are Visenya, Rhaenys, and Alysanne. The first two conquered Westeros alongside Aegon and beyond him and made laws/policies/whole institutions independently of him. Alysanne was someone Jaehaerys always trusted, grew up with, and at least was as interested in the Targaryen dynasty's advancement for its own sake instead of another house' sake, respected for her intellect more than we can say the same between Viserys and Alicent. HotD failed/refused to give a proper explanation as to how/why Alicent, a Queen Consort, and not just Otto--the Hand--was put on the council...esp since Otto didn't have to elevate Alicent into anything at all or encourage her into obedience. He could just tell her what happened at the council after said meetings, as men usually did or are wont to do in such systems. He'd think he was enforcing boundaries of what women should be or not be doing or at least keep up that illusion by keeping Alicent out.

But say IF either GRRM did have bk!Alicent in the council or show!Alicent's journey to become part of or able to be a part of council meetings was shown and justified in HotD. Again, the behavior shown on screen in epi 6 was pretty "accurate" or at least very believable/plausible.

[aforgeofdreams]

This RP looks really interesting! Before I join, can you give out some character suggestions?

Of course! We offer a variety of characters across all the eras. For those that see this post and want to know how it works, view this blog to learn more about our server and our plot and to get the direct link to join the server. We have a LOT of canon characters that we are looking to be claimed for each of the available eras to write with in. We will also provide some general original character concepts for those that are interested in making OCs at the end of this post! The following list would be our top recommended characters per era, for those who are interested in joining the roleplay as a canon character. We have provided four names per gender, per era. As mentioned before, OC ideas will be at the end of the cut, and on our advertisement post, we provide a larger list of canon characters.

We are fully aware that some of these names will overlap with the eras. You would be free to write them in all eras they appear in. ———————————— The Century of Blood

𖤓 Aegon Targaryen, son of Daenys

𖤓 Aenar Targaryen, the Exile

𖤓 Agnes Blackwood

𖤓 Argilac Durrandon, the Storm King

𖤓 Elaena Targaryen, daughter of Daenys

𖤓 Gaemon Targaryen, the Glorious

𖤓 Valaena Velaryon, mother of the Conqueror

𖤓 the many wives of Aenar the Exile

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The Dragon’s Conquest

𖤓 Argella Durrandon, Princess of Storm’s End

𖤓 Daemon Velaryon

𖤓 Deria Martell

𖤓 Orys Baratheon, the One-Hand

𖤓 Rhaenys Targaryen, the Conqueror

𖤓 Sharra Arryn

𖤓 Torrhen Stark

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The Sons of the Dragon

𖤓 Aegon Targaryen, the Uncrowned

𖤓 Alyssa Velaryon

𖤓 Ceryse Hightower

𖤓 Elinor Costayne

𖤓 Quenton Qoherys

𖤓 Rogar Baratheon

𖤓 Tyanna of Pentos

𖤓 Viserys Targaryen, son of Aenys

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The Long Reign

𖤓 Alaric Stark

𖤓 Baelon Targaryen, the Brave

𖤓 Gael Targaryen, the Winter Child

𖤓 Jaehaerys I Targaryen, the Conciliator

𖤓 Jocelyn Baratheon, the Dark Lady

𖤓 Maegelle Targaryen

𖤓 Rodrik Arryn

𖤓 Viserra Targaryen

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The Dance of the Dragons

𖤓 Aegon II Targaryen, the Usurper

𖤓 Alicent Hightower, the Queen in Chains

𖤓 Corlys Velaryon, the Sea Snake

𖤓 Criston Cole, the Kingmaker

𖤓 Jacaerys Velaryon

𖤓 Johanna Westerling-Lannister

𖤓 Nettles

𖤓 Rhaenys Targaryen, the Queen Who Never Was

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The Regency

𖤓 Aemon Targaryen, the Dragonknight

𖤓 Daena Targaryen, the Defiant

𖤓 Daeron I Targaryen, the Young King

𖤓 The Four Storms (Cassandra, Maris, Ellyn, and Floris Baratheon)

𖤓 Rhaena Targaryen, daughter of Aegon III

𖤓 Sandoq the Shadow

𖤓 Serenei of Lys

𖤓 Unwin Peake

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The Blackfyre Rebellions

𖤓 Bellanora Otherys

𖤓 Calla Blackfyre

𖤓 Daeron II Targaryen, the Good

𖤓 Maelys I Blackfyre

𖤓 Maron Martell

𖤓 Myriah Martell

𖤓 Ormund Baratheon

𖤓 Rohanne of Tyrosh

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A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

𖤓 Aegon V Targaryen, the Unlikely

𖤓 Aelinor Penrose

𖤓 Aelor Targaryen

𖤓 Betha Blackwood

𖤓 Duncan the Tall

𖤓 Dyanna Dayne

𖤓 Kiera of Tyrosh

𖤓 Maekar Targaryen, the Anvil

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Robert’s Rebellion

𖤓 Aerys II Targaryen, the Mad

𖤓 Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning

𖤓 Ashara Dayne

𖤓 Brandon Stark

𖤓 Catelyn Tully

𖤓 Elia Martell

𖤓 Genna Lannister

𖤓 Robert I Baratheon, the Demon of the Trident

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A Song of Ice & Fire

𖤓 Aegon VI Targaryen, Young Griff

𖤓 Arianne Martell

𖤓 Cersei Lannister

𖤓 Margaery Tyrell

𖤓 Petyr Baelish, Littlefinger

𖤓 Robb Stark

𖤓 The Sand Snakes

𖤓 Tywin Lannister

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Original Character Concepts / Suggestions

⠀┈⠀⠀Harwin Strong’s unnamed sisters from F&B ⠀┈⠀⠀Alicent Hightower’s unnamed brothers from F&B ⠀┈⠀⠀Ladies of the Court ⠀┈⠀⠀Courtiers of the Court ⠀┈⠀⠀Assassins ⠀┈⠀⠀Court Jesters ⠀┈⠀⠀Tourney Knights ⠀┈⠀⠀Septas, Maesters, etc. ⠀┈⠀⠀Lysene Valyrians ⠀┈⠀⠀Dragonseeds

[helainevelaryon]

Samara Weaving as Princess Rheiē Targaryen

Short Background; Rheiē was the second daughter of parents King Jaehaerys I and Queen Alysanne Targaryen aswell as twin sister of Aemon Targaryen. She is bonded to the dragon Agatedream.

She was the fourth of 14 children; Aegon Targaryen, Daenerys Targaryen, Baelon Targaryen, Alyssa Targaryen I, Maegelle Targaryen I, Vaegon Targaryen I, Daella Targaryen I, Saera Targaryen, Viserra Targaryen I, Gaemon Targaryen I, Valerion Targaryen I, Gael Targaryen.

She had been married for half a year to her cousin Dragomir Targaryen before his sudden death in 76 leaving her with their only son Jacaerys Targaryen who had been born in 75.

Later she had married her twin brother Aemon Targaryen and the two had five children; Maegor Targaryen in 80, Valerion Targaryen in 81, Maegelle Targaryen II, A stillborn son Vaegon Targaryen II in 89 and Viserra Targaryen II in 91.

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Prince Jacaerys Targaryen (75-132)

Short Background; Jacaerys was the only son of Dragomir Targaryen and Rheiē Targaryen. He was bonded to the dragon Rhaegar.

He was the only child of his parents but did have 5 half siblings via his mother Rheiē Targaryen with her second husband Aemon Targaryen; Maegor Targaryen in 80, Valerion Targaryen in 81, Maegelle Targaryen II, A stillborn Vaegon Targaryen II in 89 and Viserra Targaryen II in 91.

in 110 he married his cousin Valaena Targaryen II.

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Prince Maegor Targaryen (80-109)

Short Background; Maegor was born the first son of parents Prince Aemon Targaryen and Princess Rheiē Targaryen. He was bonded to the dragon Cleverstriker.

He was the oldest of 5 children the other four being; Valerion Targaryen in 81, Maegelle Targaryen II in 83, A stillborn Vaegon Targaryen II in 89 and Viserra Targaryen II in 91.

He had a half sister named Rhaenys Targaryen II via his father and his other wife Jocelyn Targaryen (nee Baratheon) and a half brother named Jacaerys Targaryen via his mother with her first husband Dragomir Targaryen.

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Prince Valerion Targaryen II (81-130)

Short Background; Valerion was born the second son of parents Prince Aemon Targaryen and Princess Rheiē Targaryen. He was bonded to the dragon Swiftcloud.

He was the second oldest of 5 children the other four being; Maegor Targaryen in 80, Maegelle Targaryen II in 83, A stillborn Vaegon Targaryen II in 89 and Viserra Targaryen II in 91.

He also had a half sister named Rhaenys Targaryen II via his father and his other wife Jocelyn Targaryen (nee Baratheon) and a half brother named Jacaerys Targaryen via his mother with her first husband Dragomir Targaryen.

In 97, he had married his younger sister Maegelle Targaryen II and the two had one daughter they named Rheiē Targaryen II in 130.

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Dorit Revelis as Princess Maegelle Targaryen II (83-132)

Short Background; Maegelle was born the first daughter of parents Prince Aemon Targaryen and Princess Rheiē Targaryen. She was bonded to the dragon Maelaena.

She was the third child of 5 children the other four being; Maegor Targaryen in 80, Valerion Targaryen II in 81, A stillborn Vaegon Targaryen II in 89 and Viserra Targaryen II in 91.

She also had a half sister named Rhaenys Targaryen II via her father and his other wife Jocelyn Targaryen (nee Baratheon) and a half brother named Jacaerys Targaryen via his mother with her first husband Dragomir Targaryen.

In 97, she had married her older brother Valerion Targaryen II and the two had one daughter they named Rheiē Targaryen II in 130.

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Prince Vaegon Targaryen II (89-89)

Short Background; Vaegon was born the third son of parents Prince Aemon Targaryen and Princess Rheiē Targaryen.

He was the third child of 5 children the other four being; Maegor Targaryen in 80, Valerion Targaryen II in 83, A stillborn Vaegon Targaryen II in 89 and Viserra Targaryen II in 91.

He also had a half sister named Rhaenys Targaryen II via his father and his other wife Jocelyn Targaryen (nee Baratheon) and a half brother named Jacaerys Targaryen via his mother with her first husband Dragomir Targaryen.

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Abigail Cowen as Princess Viserra Targaryen II (91-110)

Short Background; Viserra was born the second daughter of parents Prince Aemon Targaryen and Princess Rheiē Targaryen. She is bonded to the dragon Heavendancer.

She was the youngest of 5 children the other four being; Maegor Targaryen in 80, Valerion Targaryen II in 83, and a stillborn Vaegon Targaryen II in 89.

She also had a half sister named Rhaenys Targaryen II via her father and his other wife Jocelyn Targaryen (nee Baratheon) and a half brother named Jacaerys Targaryen via his mother with her first husband Dragomir Targaryen.

Before the princesses death she had been engaged to Gwayne Hightower.

[corviids]

If Aenys presented as an Omega in gl, would him & Saera still be married to one another and be King & Queen, or would he be married of to like Viserys II or something and the throne would pass on to Saera or over to Gaemon? Or Aegon III? (and then eventually it would work it's way back to Aegon IV)

that’s a tricky question that i don’t think i have a good answer to! in an unused drabble, saera makes a comment/joke that luke would crown aenys no matter his secondary and not let anyone stand in his way. a part of me wants to say that lucemond would still push for their twins to inherit and keep aenys’ sex hush hush as much as they can. that would then branch out into more compliance dynamics since they’d still need heirs — enter viserys ii (literally). that’s the much risker option.

the other option would be passing it to their next son. questions like this are why aenys being an alpha was so detrimental. it raises a lot of what-ifs and also saera is dead set on being queen but also marrying aenys so it’s just a mess 😭 in lucemond family messy style, i see the first option being what stunt they pull

[sigilsongs-a]

𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐄𝐀𝐆𝐄 𝐎𝐅 𝐕𝐀𝐄𝐋𝐀𝐄𝐑𝐘𝐒 𝐓𝐀𝐑𝐆𝐀𝐑𝐘𝐄𝐍

Her great-grandparents were "The Old King"Jaehaerys I Targaryen and his wife Good Queen Alysanne Targaryen, Vaelaerys was born during the 42nd year of his fifty-five year reign, his first great-grandchild, and as such her name (Vaelaerys) is inspired by his (Jaehaerys). Her paternal grandmother was their eldest daughter and secondborn child, Princess Daenerys Targaryen, who married Lord Simon Dondarrion of Blackhaven who had crowned her the queen of love and beauty years prior and won her heart. — Queen Alyssane had argued for Daenerys to be named her fathers heir, whilst King Jaehaerys staunchly determined his heir to be the younger Aemon, whom he intended to marry Daenerys to.

Both her great-grandparents were dragon riders; Jaehaerys upon Vermithor and Alyssane upon Silverwing, the latter Vaelaerys would claim late in life.

Her father was Daenerys and Simon's only son, Laeron Targaryen. He was gifted his maternal surname and royal title by his reigning grandparents, and dubbed Prince Laeron of Houses Targaryen and Dondarrion, though he was far down the line of succession. Her mother (whom Vaelaerys all-but loathes), is Lady Athora Frey, and Vaelaerys is their only child together. Her mother remarried after Laeron's death, to her step-father Lord Jordwyn Mooton of Maidenpool; together they have her half-brother, fourteen years her junior and Maidenpool's heir by right of gender, in Lord Jael Mooton.

Great-Aunts & Uncles: Aegon †, Aemond, Baelon, Alyssa, Septa Maegelle, Archmaester Vaegon, Daella, Saera, Viserra †, Gaemon †, Valerion † and Gael Targaryen

First Cousins, Once Removed: Aemma Arryn, Viserys I Targaryen, Rhaenys Targaryen, and Daemon Targaryen.

Any children born biologically of her first cousins, once removed would be Vaelaerys' first cousin, twice removed: Rhaenyra Targaryen, Laena and Laenor Velaryon, Aegon II Targaryen, Aemond Targaryen, Helaena Targaryen, Daeron Targaryen. Any of those cousins' children are Vaelaerys thrice removed cousins, and so on.

In some cases there may be a generational overlap, such as with Aegon III Targaryen who is her first cousin, twice removed as the son of Daemon Targaryen. However, he is the son of Daemon and Rhaenyra Targaryen, who also Vaelaerys' first cousin twice removed, therefore making Aegon III Targaryen both a first cousin twice, and thrice, removed.

ORIGINAL CHARACTER, CANON INSPIRED:  Book Lore has been altered for this character as, canonly, Daenerys Targaryen (b. 53AC) was claimed by The Shivers in her youth.

[almostbeabeauty]

this newfound love for Helaeg0n among green fans is very startling. Ship what you want, of course, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of them are giant hypocrites and were going after Helaemonds for shipping incest just months ago and acting like that ship would be the worst thing ever that could happen to the greens. Besides, it's very annoying how there some out there saying "Helaeg0n was romantic in the book", "the ship had romantic undertones" and the show ruined it by claiming the writers didn't and don't understand the ship and when you go and read their arguments well all you can find is "he listened to her opinions" once or twice, didn't ignore her or call her stupid, didn't force himself on her after B&C to get a new heir in case something also happened to Maelor, he didn't flaunt his mistresses and bastards in front of his wife like Aegon IV did with Naerys (and who made her life a living hell basically) nor did he legitimize them and other stuff that is basically human decency a husband can have for the wife he never agreed to marry in the first place, you know? Sure, the show making Helaena autistic coded and giving Aegon every single negative trait (including him being a rapist) and going out of their way to highlight how weird he finds her, the marital rape hints (who wants their husband's attention when drunk? no one) doesn't help either and I get why shippers are mad at this (I would be too!) and neither does all the Helaemond stuff if it's real but then Aegon was still a serial cheater in the book, he fathered bastards (I know some are even disputing this but really? Gaemon was most likely his son and considering how much he was sleeping around there were others we didn't know about for sure) and yes he was also sexually harassing and fondling the castle's female servants? Does this sound like a man who actually loves his wife? And before someone says "it was normal for men to cheat on their wives in this universe, him cheating doesn't mean he didn't love his wife romantically" (yes this is an argument a shipper made in favor of their ship) please no, there are men even in Westeros who weren't doing this. Maybe they would've found love together eventually, who knows, but the little we have so far in the book doesn't indicate this ship was one of those marriages between Targaryen siblings that were romantic in nature like Jaehaerys/Alysanne or Baleon/Alyssa. It wasn't anything atrocious like Aegon IV/Naerys or Aerys II/Rhaella, it was just another arranged marriage like most Westerosi marriages were. For green fans to gush over this ship however as if this is THE good incest ship and we should all like and defend, well, it's certainly a choice.

Hey! I'm sorry to answer this so late. Took a much needed break from the fandom for a bit.

There's not much for me to say except for that I agree with almost everything you said. I just go back and forth on whether I think Gaemon is Aegon's bastard or not.

[sunnysideaeggs]

omg let’s see. my main oc is jocella (jo) lannister, second daughter of jason lannister and clarisse dayne. she first marries aemond, having twins from the union (jason and ceryse), but her ‘true love’ is aegon. she takes care of aegon after rook’s rest, spends rhaenyra’s reign away in casterly rock and after the dance she marries aegon and has a son, viserys ii (in this timeline the real viserys ii is never found). when the starks are too close to battle them, she binds the cannibal to herself with witchcraft and strikes a deal with cregan, gives birth in the battlefield and ends up as regent of her son who would sire daeron and baelor. that line dies like in canon, and her blood only remains in the lannister line by ceryse (married to her uncle loreon), and the blackfyre line.

she would be HEAVILY critized as:

bratty: she gets on aemond’s good side (lol) by making fun of the blacks, and during his regency she ‘fancies herself queen’, by doing helaena’s duties in court.

a cheater: all her children would be doubted as bastards, the twins by probably being aegon’s and viserys by not being aegon’s (lol). people would see the death of her line as proof that viserys wasn’t true born, but i left it really unclear.

instigator of conflicts: after her father’s death, she begs aemond to go to the riverlands for vengeance. this culminates in the fall of KL and she is blamed for it. she also snubbed tb multiple times.

power grabbing: the convenient time that she arrived to KL to be queen and left in time to get in the starks’ good graces and end up as regent. it would look bad because she would be accused of

husband killer: some accuse her of poisoning aegon. this is discarded in canon because she is distraught when he dies but fans will make up stuff anyways

child endangerment: she is hated because she married aegon 3 and jaehaera, also for suggesting that jaehaera or gaemon go to claim silverwing before she captured the cannibal. she also made egg 3 her taster to prevent being poisoned.

cares more for the lannisters than the targs: she build a lighthouse/statue for her sisters fallen to the greyjoys a year after her deaths but didn’t bother to search for aemond’s corpse until she needed the sword in his eye. she also gave aegon’s dagger to ceryse as a wedding gift, therefore making the catspaw cersei’s property by asoiaf times.

delulu: my girl denies that aegon commited suicide (with larys’ help) and blames everyone and their mother for his death.

crazy ahh woman: she is responsible for alyn’s mysterious disappearance and threatened alicent with heinous things if she didn’t leave KL post dance. every time she rides the cannibal (she does it thrice) she gets crueler and more paranoid, which makes her prone to give threats and punishments.

for the asoiaf/f&b oc creators out there, do you ever contemplate about how the fandom would argue over your character if they were ever real? if so, why? i'll start first (*´ｪ｀*)

Lucina Redwyne:

1. First off, making fun of Lucerys' death. The banquet Aegon held for Aemond assassinating Lucerys? She made a jest of how "The gods merely corrected a Strong mistake on their part". (🥁🥁🥁) 2. Becoming a key power to the Greens — Even before the Dance, she manipulated and charmed many lords to switch their allegiances to Aegon's. (though most are already Green-aligned in the original story .. i'm still deciding on which houses bcs i don't want my story to cause TOO MANY changes 😓 ...) 3. "She raised her daughter to become too much of a spoiled brat and molded her into someone who easily puts herself in danger of execution !!" — Moreso of an allegation than an actual argument, she has a daughter, Princess Aelora, whom lives past the Dance of the Dragons, and with that she became a close companion to Jaehaera, and refused to go into contact with anyone else but her, Alicent, and her little sister Viserra. Which was obviously a development of trust issues because Lucina is sent to be wed to House Peake by this time, and they had no one else around them, even more after both Jaehaera and Alicent's deaths did she become incredibly protective over Viserra. She shunned off her mother since her husband by then (Lord Unwin) was rumored to have killed Jaehaera, and when the Maiden's Day Ball occured and Lady Daenaera was chosen, Aelora acknowledged that nobody but Jaehaera is the 'true queen'. Risking herself from execution by Aegon III, though by his exhaustion he never did anything. Some would probably accuse her of letting Aelora's ambitiousness 'run too wild' to a point that she could be perceived as a 'spoiled brat'. When honestly it was just the toll of the civil war on the girl, who was five by the time the dance started btw.

Anyways I'm curious to see some of your own oc's and the possible controversy they'd cause (。・ω・。) Some of you guys' oc's are actually so well made it's insane 😭

[bbygirl-aemond]

Cursed Targaryen Names

Hello everyone! I think by this point we've all heard the theory that the name Visenya is cursed in ASoIaF, and I recently received this ask here that drew my attention to the fact that the name Aegon doesn't have the greatest track record, either. One realization later, and I arrived at my new theory: All three names from the Conquering trio have been cursed. Maybe by Visenya (I hope by Visenya). So let's go through what happens to all the poor kids that get saddled with these names, shall we?

Visenya

Visenya, who Rhaenyra wanted as a sister when Aemma was pregnant, but who was actually a boy named Baelon. Still, at one point Rhaenyra had declared the baby's name would be Visenya. As we all know, the baby died, and took its mother with it.

Visenya, the stillborn daughter of Rhaenyra. Born with birth defects, with scales on her skin, and with a tail.

Aegon

Aegon the Uncrowned, who was usurped by his uncle Maegor despite being the trueborn and eldest son of the late king, and who was later killed by Maegor at just seventeen.

Aegon, son of Jaehaerys and Alysanne, who died three days after he was born

Aegon, son of Baelon and Alyssa, whose birth killed his mother and who died days before his first birthday, also managing to ruin Viserys and Daemon's childhood

Aegon II, who watched all of his siblings and most of his children die before him in a war they were forced into, who spent his final years disfigured and in agony, and who died in his twenties

Aegon III, who traumatically lost his dragon and thought he'd abandoned his brother to die, whose older half-brothers all died, who watched his mother be eaten alive as a child, and who spent the rest of his life depressed as a result

Aegon IV, who was probably actually insane

Aegon V, who killed not only himself but also his own children and heir in his desperation to uncover the magic of the dragons in the Tragedy at Summerhall

And finally, poor baby Aegon, whose head was bashed in against a wall in front of his mother, Elia

Rhaenys

Rhaenys, daughter of Aemon and Jocelyn, who outlived her two beloved children and was burned alive after being sent on a suicide mission by the same woman she thought killed her son

Rhaenys, the three-year-old daughter of Elia and Rhaegar, who was ripped from beneath her bed and stabbed to death so viciously that Tywin Lannister had to cover her body with a cloak before presenting her to the King.

Also, as a note, there's one instance of one of these three names popping up pre-Conquest: Aegon Targaryen, son of Gaemon and Daenys, who happily married his sister, ruled Dragonstone, and passed it down to his son with no problems. Whose children all survived to adulthood, whose wife did not die in childbirth, and who is not noted to have a particularly gruesome death. This just adds to my theory that this name was not cursed pre-Conquest hehe.

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What do you like about Aegon's ii character in the book? (I didn't read them btw)

Aegon in the book, like all the characters in the book, is a bit two dimensional (as explained very elaborately here and here, F&B is an in universe historical text compilation and as such doesn't have many character arcs or details on interior personalities), but the thing I enjoy most about him is that he's genuinely a very layered person.

He's a drunk and a wastrel, yes, and a bit of a slut, but there's more to him than that. For one, there's a softness to him, in his affection for his family, in having a relatively healthy relationship with his sister-wife (they, a rarity for royal couples, share a bedroom, given that it's specifically mentioned that this stops when Blood and Cheese tears them apart), a clear affection for his children, and even children in general given his decision to spare Aegon III and Gaemon Palehair (a young boy whose mom claimed he was Aegon II's bastard and thus was ruling in his name until Aegon came back) give their youth, and a love for family that he takes seriously as his eldest. While not "confirmed" the only explanation anyone offers for Aegon agreeing to take the crown when he didn't originally want to (he specifically calls it Rhaenyra's birthright and said he would be a bad brother to her if he took it even tho she was a shit sister to him) is that Criston bluntly tells him that Rhaenyra will kill not just him but his brothers and his sons in order to secure the claims of the Strongs, and that's what tips him over the edge. He makes sure only Helaena is ever recorded as a queen, to honor her, after Rhaenyra dies, and he commissioned huge fucking statues to be built of Aemond and Daeron once he was back in King's Landing after they did. It adds a complexity to him that didn't necessarily need to be there, from a narrative perspective, but was integral to who he is.

Aegon is also an incredibly determined person. He's the one who pushed to be publicly crowned once he accepted the throne, and unlike certain others (Rhaenyra) he was no slouch in fighting for what he saw as his rights. He participated actively in the war, he defended his claim with his own body by participating in the battle of Rook's Rest, and he fought hard for that win. He's incredibly injured afterwards, enough to essentially give Aemond the Westerosi equivalent of both 25th Amendment privileges and the power of attorney, but he still managed to win, and he managed to recover, importantly so without help, as his brothers and advisors were busy with the war, Helaena was just completely incapacitated, and between taking care of her and taking care of Maelor and Jaehaera, Alicent wasn't able to help him. He's able to stay alive after Rhaenyra takes King's Landing and he has to flee, he's able to stay alive on Dragonstone and even get himself to Sunfyre (we'll talk about Sunfyre) in order to gain enough health to actually take back the castle and lay enough of a trap that he's able to get rid of Rhaenyra. He's still able to fight against Baela and Moondancer, and despite being grievously injured again (this time he full on shatters his legs and is never able to walk again) he still survives and still manages to keep himself in check without even taking any pain medication (it's pointed out specifically that he refuses milk of the poppy despite the extent of the damage he's suffered). Aegon is someone who fights and claws for every victory he has, who keeps on going despite how broken and bruised and bleeding he is, who will not stop until he has absolutely nothing left to fight for, or even to live for, it's why I subscribe to the theory that he killed himself, even then Aegon's going out on his own terms after he did all that he could. I think that's incredibly powerful in a character, that he is Thee Determinator and he's going to keep getting back up no matter how many times he's knocked down.

And I love his relationship with Sunfyre. I adore his relationship with Sunfyre. Sunfyre is the "character" who brings out the most loving side we ever see with Aegon, the most openly affectionate. Aegon might love his family but he appears to keep his feelings pretty close to the best unless absolute calamity hits, but he openly just loves Sunfyre so fucking much, and it's entirely reciprocal. He makes Sunfyre his standard, the thing that his side swears loyalty to, as intrinsic as himself, and Sunfyre is willing to do anything for him at great personal risk (since we know that dragons can, theoretically, disobey commands if self preservation takes over), given that he does fight for Aegon in every battle he's flown to in spite of the fact that he himself is also incredibly wounded. And when Aegon's missing and Sunfyre is still almost completely handicapped by his injuries, they find each other. Sunfyre manages to drag himself to Dragonstone, despite no one knowing where Aegon was, and why? In the book, it's literally theorized that Sunfyre, in spite of how brutalized he was, could somehow sense that Aegon's desperation, that Aegon needed him, and that was enough for him to figure out where he was and get himself to Aegon's side. And Aegon, the second he hears that there's a golden dragon roaming around on Dragonstone, ignores his advisors and gets himself to Sunfyre because, well, it's Sunfyre. And it's explicitly stated that they only both start actually recovering in tangible ways once they're together, that they weren't whole without each other and literally needed each other in order to get healthy again. And then Sunfyre fights for him again, and is mortally wounded, and it's the most heartbroken we ever see Aegon, at least in the records. We know that he was full of rage when his son was murdered, yeah, but here he's openly weeping and completely devastated, and grief stricken enough that he orders that Baela be executed, despite the fact that she's his full blooded cousin and that would absolutely violate the kinslaying taboo, to the point where he had to be very firmly talked out of it, that's how completely crazed he is by Sunfyre's death. It speaks to the depth of feeling Aegon has within him, his capacity for love, and more than anything that even at his lowest (Sunfyre's death comes on the heels of Aegon executing Rhaenyra by feeding her to Sunfyre, in front of her son, and it's one of the cruelest moments in the entire Dance) he still has these layers within him that allow him to be so much more than one note.

The fact that Aegon is such a fully fledged character, that he has all these sides within him that aren't even at war, that are entirely complimentary (a fierce determinator with a strong sense of family and a deep well of love within him whose chaotic nature can make that incredibly dangerous as well as completely mission oriented makes so much sense), is what makes him incredibly compelling. And if they combine even just those basic moments with the added depth they've given to Aegon's inner struggles and especially his interpersonal relationships, alongside TGC's talent as an actor, we're gonna have a character for the ages, I know that in my bones.

[hamliet]

Why were the children that Rhaenyra had with Harwin the only ones who died and not Daemon's children(the twins, aegon3, viserys2) ?

(continuation)

Is it because Rhaenyra's children are bastards(Jacaerys Lucerys,Joffrey) and that is her punishment for having had them?

No. I think this line of thought is very effed up, and honestly neglects quite a bit of evidence that proves this wrong. Firstly, Alicent's full line seems to have died out, so like... clearly, the point is that bastard status doesn't actually matter. War comes for the kids anyways.

Secondly, Visenya does die. I mean, Rhaenyra literally starts the war by saying "they have murdered my daughter and stolen my crown, and they shall answer for it." So... one of her legitimate kids does die.

Thirdly, Aemond's bastard and Gaemon Palehair (almost certainly Aegon's child) survive the war, even if Gaemon dies soon after. So does Alyn, Corlys's bastard who is passed off as Laenor's.

Fifthly, you only need to look at Jon Snow to know what Martin thinks about the stigmatic treatment of bastard children in Westeros.

The reasons the other kids survived are different for each. I'll go over practical and thematic reasons for each.

Rhaena: She was literally kept out of the violence because she didn't have a dragon to fight with. Plus, she was a woman, and a girly girl at that. She's clearly a foil to Sansa. Like Saansa, she is in the Vale and learns to politic well.

Baela: clearly a foil to Arya. She does fight, and she does actually almost die. She's not as direct a threat to Aegon II's rule. Like, Aegon wanted to kill her and would have if his advisors hadn't been like, hang on a sec dude.

Viserys: literally Rhaenyra thought he had died. She died thinking he was dead. He 's totally not a Rickon foil that was sent to Lys in hopes that he might be:

Aegon III barely survived as well, and was so traumatized he rarely smiled and had few joys in life. He was called a shell of a person numerous times. The question of what exactly survival means when a husk is all that's left is literally the question Mirri Maz Duur asks Dany in A Game of Thrones:

“Tell me again what you saved.'' ''Your life'' Daenerys said. Mirri Maz Duur laughed cruelly. ''Look to your khal and see what life is worth when all the rest is gone.”

I honestly think it's as simple as Rhaenyra's sons being targets because they were more adult and able to make their own choices. The children pay the price, but some children survive. The cost of surviving, though--it's not to be overlooked. Reducing it to a simple moral punishment idea is antithetical to Martin's writings.

(Also to be clear I know you aren't necessarily saying you believe this! I just hate this idea lol, and obviously, I think it's misreading.)

[sweetestpopcorn]

You know, I don't believe that Tristan Truefyre was Viserys i's bastard but I think there's a possibility that Gaemon Palehair was in fact Aegon ii's bastard????? Given Aegon’s promiscuous nature it would not surprise me. There's also the thing about Gaemon's name. It is a targaryen name (compare that to Tristan, a common name), which makes me think he was deliberately given this name of all names. One can say that since his mother was a prostitute, she might not know it's a targaryen name and maybe randomly named him but I seriously don't think it's a coincidence. People don't just randomly give targaryen names to their children and the fact that she named her son Gaemon proves she did know some targaryen names maybe and also if the boy was really the son of some random lysene dude, I don't think even the lysene would use such names. She can still give her son a targaryen name despite her son not being half-targaryen but I just don't think so?? It might not be a coincidence that a silver haired boy with a targaryen name just claimed to be Aegon’s son during the dance. So what do think about it? I really like your answers, so I just wanted to know your opinion on it.

Hi there Anon 🤗

You know who this is a job for?

Kidding. Or am I? 😏

Two things, one, as I said some time ago and I will admit this is an Aquiles's heel of mine when reading a series like ASOIAF. I am not a fan of conspiracy theories nor do I like to lose a lot of time making theories about things. I am very much a person who likes their facts, which honestly makes me very good at my every day job, not the best at providing people with theories of what I think happened if I don’t have a lot of facts to base the theory on. I was taught not to speculate unless I have things to back it up on. Again something which is a golden rule in my job.

So, do I think it’s possible that Gaemon could have been Aegon II’s father? Given Aegon II’s track record it would be yes, as he is shown to be quite promiscuous and I am not even sure he knew all the places he had “been in”. We also know he fathered a boy on a young prostitute and a girl on one of his mother’s maids (#class) on his first year of marriage to his sister. However, do I think he was Gaemon’s father? Absolutely not.

I feel that if he was a lot more evidence would have been given to us readers. Comparing Gaemon to the "Velaryon" princes for instance, the latter are clearly shown to be the children of Harwin Strong. 

Not only is this hinted on multiple times and by multiple different sources (sorry y’all but the books is not “rumours” and it’s very clear what’s a rumour and what’s a fact), but we are also shown how close Rhaenyra and Harwin were with each other even before she married Laenor -> Harwin had been courting her. Furthermore we have this gem right here when Joffrey dies and I quote:

“Thus perished Joffrey Velaryon, Prince of Dragonstone and heir to the Iron Throne, the last of Queen Rhaenyra’s sons by Laenor Velaryon… or the last of her bastards by Harwin Strong, depending on which truth one chooses to believe.” (Fire and Blood, pg. 518).

Comparing it now to what we are told at the moment of Gaemon’s death:

“Born a bastard in a brothel, “King Cunny” had reigned briefly over his kingdom on a hill during the Moon of Madness, seen his mother put to death, and served Aegon III as a cupbearer, whipping boy, and friend. He was thought to be but nine years old upon his death.” (Fire and Blood, pg 679). 

We have a mention of all the things Gaemon was, and there’s a long list, but being a “rumoured” bastard son of Aegon II was not even amongst them. He is only mentioned in relation to Aegon III. If the evidence that he was Aegon II’s son was significant I would argue that a mention would be made here. Maybe even as a reflection over the fact that the son of the woman Aegon II put to death in such a despicable and cruel way found a friend in his bastard and forgotten son that he never cared about. Perhaps also some mention that the son he denied and ignored outlived all of the others or something, and that Alicent did not even recognised or cared about the only grandson she had left. 

The writers of Fire and Blood loved these kind of ironies. They make a reflection over the fact that Daenaera was granddaughter to Vaemond, so they would likely make one similar for Gaemon. They also don’t shy away in the slightest from speaking about the bad either about the Blacks or about the Greens. They make no mention though, which only adds to my belief that Gaemon was indeed not Aegon II’s son. 

Of course one could argue that the fact that Gaemon’s mom denied he was Aegon II’s son under torture could say something. But again her and Sylvenna do struck me as shrewd women who knew what they were doing and just took advantage of the chaos. 

In all honestly I just don’t see it personally. 

By the way a HUGE HUGE apology for how long it took me to answer you Anon!!!!! I believe you sent this a year ago 😭 SORRY! I SUCK! But I eventually answered :D I will show myself out.

All the love to you and sorry again!