#bc I was getting in that mindset but
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Welp did both interviews. Both went fairly well i think. Not great but okay
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don't stress about that opportunity that fell through or that friend you lost or that thing you really want to happen but isn't. as long as you keep your chin up and try try try again, better things will replace your losses. i'm looking at my life rn and actually marveling at how every single thing i stressed about, whether it be an opportunity or a person, got supplanted w another thing that is so much better. it really is true that loss makes space for better things. these days i don't get sad when something doesn't work out. i get excited that i'm now open to so many other possibilities out there, so long as i actively seek them. you never lack. you just transition.
#operating from an abundance mindset is changing my life truly#i used to fight to convince myself of it but now that i see it happening in real time? it's so true and i'm soothed by it#this isn't even coming from a manifestation or religious angle bc i'm neither of those things#i just believe that a good attitude and strong work ethic can get you places if you don't let failure stop you#and don't allow the noise (other people's opinions) to weigh you down#text
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When other Yellowjackets fans, majority who are poc themselves, talk about how weird and frustrating it is that the writers introduced a random yte character and gave them a storyline when there were two (technically three but they killed off Lottie even when there was an opportunity for more) woc, who have been around since s1, that could've fit the mold instead (like Mari) and have actual personalities outside of building up/being the lapdog for another character. Or how often times many of the, limited, poc characters are often either treated poorly and killed off, or pushed to the side (Simone, reduced to the disposable black girlfriend trope and is nearly killed by her partner because she's in the way of a ship; Travis, since s1, had his trauma dismissed or ignored and was overly hated but no one talks about how he was SA'd by the girls he's now stuck with on top of having to eat his brother and not be able to grieve over it). How Taissa's whole storyline is just revolving around Van even with all the potential, especially given she's fighting to be free from her own mind, how Lottie's mental illness is treated so poorly as if it's not the butt of a joke then it's met with heavy criticism (and the only time she is met with sympathy for it, it's through the lens of a yte character embodying her and having an emotional conversation with her father). How you can have all of these reasons (and more) for being annoyed by Melissa's character or the direction of the show, and be met with #those fans downplaying these concerns, or just being overly antagonistic just because they find yte character #243 entertaining so obviously these conversations don't have merit. But this fandom has always had an...."interesting" way in which it discussed the poc characters on the show, so I'm not surprised.
#yellowjackets#yellowjackets critical#mind u in the og script lottie was a black girl who had to suffer racial abuse from an old rich yte woman that she never recovered from...#like tai has a premise for such interesting storylines (that don't revolve around yte characters) and the show still does her dirty#and even regarding her relationship why would tai be so dismissive of her family over van? why is there hardly any shaunatai scenes?#a yte woman's introduction to the show being her potentially killing an indigenous woman struggling with mental illness and only for said#woc's death to be discovered through a true crime forum and used for a competition between two yte characters....yeah there's no problem at#all there#like so much of melissa's character feels at the expense of woc who were already established and had more to show for it than her#and it gets so annoying seeing those fans try to skirt around the problem or speak over poc fans when called out#like why does mari receive such hate or lack of understanding in comparison to yte counterparts who do worse than her? i thought the yjs#shouldn't be judged heavily bc they're teenagers going through the unimaginable? or is that mindset not shared with woc?#and im not even getting into how the plot is all over the plsce#like why is the teen timeline (where most of them are going to die) more diverse than the adult? and adding another yte character was#supposed to do what?#lottie matthews#taissa turner#like so much of s1 was about shauna heck even some parts of s2 so i thought maybe s3 would be tai's. nope#yellowjackets spoilers
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A belief in Nominative Determinsim
#mira & isa sitting at the other side of the room: oh that cannot be a healthy rationalisation. someone should deconstruct that QUICKLY...#change's strongest soldiers VERSUS one guy echo chambering themselves about a susperstition-based retributive model of the world. GO!!!#isat spoilers#isat#isat fanart#isat siffrin#isat loop#sifloop#sloops#in stars and time#in stars and time fanart#lucabyteart#hey look now. this is softer than usual isnt it? ignore the. ignore the subtle damnation of blame unto the self. its fine. theyre fine#this is in fact a slight adaptation of that headcanon of mine i linked! yep! turns out the way to comic-ise it was to. make it like#90% speech bubble and get kinda weird with the formatting. it's clunky and experimental but hey. im experimenting.#the next ones gonna have even more fucking speech bubbles if it goes how im planning. christ#then its gonna get followed up with something wordless so. all things in perfect balance.#DISCLAIMER: i like to write loop and siffrin displaying the maybe not so great logic-holes their seeming fear of 'retribution for not#sticking to (the script) what the universe intends for them' entails. i do not agree with their weird philosophising.#i in fact think this is . bad for them. and am exploring how fucking unhealthy their mindset seems to be even when 'mundane'#OCD siffrin real as hell whats with the doing arbitrary actions in specific ways lest Something Nebulously Bad Happen little dude?#anyway if you caught the extremely blunt symbolism of kissing a hand with a knife in it you win a prize! it's called self-satisfaction 🎉🎉#hmm. do people realise i kept calling this type of back and forth between siffrin and loop a socratic dialogue bc socrates was also just#arguing with himself? like he was just making up the other guys. complete thought experiment. i also call them that because theyre WORDY!!!
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chosen ones
#mcyt#pvp civilization#pvpciv#ferremc#evbo#tabimc#clownpierce#if nobody else including ccevbo wants to give pvpferre attention then /I/ Will..........#I think not enough people talk abt the fact that ferre was the original intended chosen one. and he didnt even willingly step down#he had his hand forced! theres not really even any indicators that he even agrees with the direction that evbo is taking things-#-or ever had a change of heart from his original mindset. for all we know he could be silently seething the entire time#by assisting evbo (bc clown threatened him) ferre kinda locks himself into a position where he can't--or atleast is limited from-#-doing the one thing he wants to do. pvp. this is me referencing outside sources but usually his main motivation is something-#-along the lines of 'I want to fight people'. at every turn ferre is prevented from getting into any proper fights#forfeiting the respawn ability means he has to actually preserve his sword durability and refrain from fighting.#evbo is the one getting sent out while the dia swords stay behind and wait.#the dia swords are specifically requested by evbo to not participate in the big final battle and to instead guard his room.#this is maybe the WORST position a ferre could be put in.#I lowkey have more to say but these tags are getting really embarrassingly long ok bye#I drew this whole thing just so I could talk about pvpferre bro :sob: anyw if anyone gaf feel free to send me an ask and I will continue.
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oh, grey warden...
#my art#dragon age#dao#dragon age origins#evelyn cousland#warden cousland#grey warden#i miss herrr <- need to get back to dao so so so bad#but its a hard game to play bc it loooooves to crash. and i have to be in the right mindset so i dont cry when it crashes ._.#i kind of gave up halfway. didnt plan for anything about background other than the blood so i was just ?????#she probablyyy wont survive her game :(#(i need to get back to the game so bad. idk what it is but im obsessed with all my dao protags SO MUCH)#(help)#cw blood
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shoutout to this gross sofa
#jayvik#arcane#jayce x viktor#viktor arcane#jayce talis#OKAY i hate this sketch suddenly it’s not up to my standards hahahah it was meant to be chilll#i am cringe but i am free#i think I don’t like it cause this jayce doesn’t look much like himself imo also I don’t actually draw people kissing often#so it’s always tricky I couldn’t get it right 😔#it was meant to be a chill no reference sketch and took me 5 hours hahaha 2 of them just that dumbass kiss and I gave up 👍#so yeah I feel embarrassed awkward posting bc of that but also need to stop the it has to be perfect to post mindset#okay that’s my rant of the day#hope y’all enjoy this anyways bye#my art#lambiart
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Act 5 (part 2)
Previously: https://www.linkslist.app/6GFNvop
I'm sheltering an extra tiny Jayce under the cut ><
#Herald is nominated for Best Actor!#arcane#jayvik#hex token#jayce talis#viktor#fanart#art#artist on tumblr#jayce x viktor#viktor x jayce#arcane fanart#rock band au#au#jayvik au#jayvik modern au#league of legends#mine#comic#I wanted the most ridiculous break-up for them!#I think I did good haha#I've changed the original tattoo design btw it's more delicate now and more hex cored#I hope you get Viktor's mindset bc he's making sense in a way regarding his own experience and he's obviously afraid of romantic commitment#he'll get better#trust the process#let's pretend Slipknot is a thing in this universe and Jayce is wearing this instead of the usual Hex Token merch to piss off Viktor hehe#the story will be back to the musical and magical main plot next chapter so stick to me (like caramel)#I will post one page a week on X for the next chapter#because I will probably have more free time during the next couple of months#we'll see about that...
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Pony and Soda are both angry criers. Soda doesn't mind so much. He's the gangs bawl baby. And truly? he doesn't even mind that title anymore. none of them say it like it's a bad thing. he gets mad, he starts crying he moves on n keeps it going. but Pony? he HATES it. he KNOWS what he wants to say. he KNOWS why he's angry. and he IS. he's not sad or mixed up he's just FRUSTRATED and for whatever stupid reason it makes him cry and it pisses him off to no end.
#steve too#btw#when they honest to god argue instead of fist fighting they always end up having a healthy ass conversation#bc pony will get frustrated n start crying n then get mad about it n steve it instantly like#oh.#ok.#well me too#let me relax#i get that#its chill man take ur time#n suddenly they are no longer fighting#so sad they dont argue often#got that hashtag punch first mindset#pony starts angry crying n darry immediately wants to be like ok let me give you a hug im sorry#n ponys like fuck OFF im not SAD#or i feel like darry would also be the type to be like dont give me crocodile tears#n that ALSO pisses pony off bc he doesnt MEAN it#they figure it out#dont worry#its just a bumpy ass road on the way there#the outsiders#ponyboy curtis#sodapop curtis#darry curtis#steve randle
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I was gonna initially just leave this as a reply but I'll probably exceed the word limit, but I like this question! This is a good question :]
Honestly with it being this early on in Batman's career, and with Nightingale being the designated emergency support, I can pretty confidently say that Danny's relationship with the other Rogues ranges from neutral to dislike, and vice versa. Just by virtue of it being really early on in all of their careers and thus Rogues like Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn and stuff, haven't had the character development to otherwise be someone worth, eh, well, liking.
Nightingale's role as 'emergency only' means that he's really not seen that often. Bruce is a pretty master escape artist so for him to get in a situation that requires Danny to feel like he needs to step in is rare.
I haven't gotten Nightingale's persona completely set in stone yet, I'm still bouncing around with ideas, but the current gist I've got for him is that he's honestly pretty quiet. He's not there to engage in a fight or banter, he physically can't; he's there to aid the Batman and that usually means subterfuge, sabotage, psychological tricks, to just straight up shooting people with tranq darts depending on his mood that day.
The Nightingale posts I have here are hyperbolic and a bit exaggerated for my own amusement and entertainment, albeit still reflective of what I'm thinking of for the fic. The post this comment came from is a special case in that it was a joke idea I came up with and felt like sharing. It might show up in fic, just in a different format.
With that being said, from the POV of the Rogues, it means that the Batman has this protective little shadow that will pop up at random and either enact psychological warfare on them (distract them long enough for Batman to free himself), break their stuff (make it easier for Batman to free himself), or straight up shoot them with a tranquilizer, and you never really know which it will be until it's happening. Sometimes its all three.
Sometimes its neither of them; sometimes its him freeing Batman without ever making his presence known. One moment the Bat was trapped, the next he's not.
I don't think they even learn what his name is for a while either. He's probably just called smth like 'the Shadow' until people find out his name is Nightingale.
Safe to say though, the Rogues don't like Batman's little shadow that much, and even if he doesn't show up, he invokes this unwilling paranoia in a lot of them whenever they have him trapped. Besides, he's associated with Batman, the guy who keeps trying to stop them, that makes Nightingale a hated figure on principle.
As for Danny's opinion on the Rogues, I don't think there's any of them that he necessarily likes. Sympathizes with, sure, but not like. Folks like Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy and Babydoll fall under his 'cool motive, still murder' banner, where yeah he gets where they're coming from, but that doesn't excuse the harm they're doing. While folks like Black Mask, the Penguin, or Joker, fall under his 'what an asshole' banner, where he doesn't like them just for the obvious reasons of they're hurting people for power.
He probably likes Catwoman honestly, but her main profession is also thief not murderer so she has that going for her.
I don't think he'd have any special opinions on the other ghost characters. They're ghosts; water is wet, fork found in kitchen.
But yeah, as of the timeline right now Danny's opinion on the Rogues and vice versa are what you'd expect. He's not in the field often enough to form a relationship with any of them beyond the normal one, and considering his schtick is "you made Batman need my help" he's not particularly inclined on changing it. Child ghosts can be so protective yk, especially clingy little traumatized ones with separation anxiety.
#danny fenton is not the ghost king#dpxdc#dpxdc crossover#dp x dc#dpdc#dp x dc crossover#dpxdc au#blood blossom au#i did look it up and see if catwoman has murdered people before and it looks like she has in some comic runs but the general consensus#of her character is that she's a nonlethal Rogue. which already puts her miles above the others in Danny's book. which is funny bc i dont#even particularly care for catwoman that much. im pretty neutral on her. i dont think danny would *adore* her or anything but he does like#her and i can see him telling Bruce to tell her he said hi later down the road.#i didnt mention it in post bc frankly i didnt have a good spot to but in WTNS Danny isn't even friends with any of *his* rogues.#well no thats a lie. i've entertained the idea of him being friends with youngblood. but thats about it honestly. its hard to like the same#people who keep attacking you and your city for their own selfish reasons. There's mutual respect for sure just by virtue of time but#they're not friends. Danny's fights in WTNS were vicious and painful because the people coming through the portal weren't *good* people.#they're not people he wants to associate with and i can't see him getting along w/ them anyways just coz their morals are so different#i didnt mention harley bc i think that's a bit of a slippery slope and it falls under the 'later down the road' line where i think danny#might get along with her later on after she goes through her breakup with the Joker and has that anti hero arc. bc yeah she was manipulated#she still murdered people. people are dead because of her. he's more focused on her actions than her mindset because that's what important#in the end. same thing for poison ivy and everyone else. at the end of the day its their actions that speak louder than words.#and he's learned to watch the way people move their hands than the way they move their mouths.
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The Ginny and Georgia fandom can often feel representative of the real world, specifically how certain parent/child relationships end up with the excusing of a parent's sacrifices being hung over the child's head, but never really allowing the child themselves to have their own problems because of it, otherwise they're being "ungrateful". And this rhetoric continuously shines through with how some Georgia fans talk about Ginny. They constantly belittle her and her problems (especially her self harm), call her dramatic for wanting answers from her mother, but never call out Georgia for overstepping Ginny's boundaries and reading her private diary, defending it by saying "Well, she partakes in reckless behavior and she keeps secrets too." Who do you think she learned it from? Like these specific fans will find ways to defend every act Georgia does under the guise of it being a "sacrifice", but can't even do the same for Ginny, a teenager who spent most of her life being uprooted before she could even make a place her home? Who had to deal with her parents' financial struggles (which caused her to be bullied mind you) on top of their tumultuous relationship?
It's also not lost on me how, during that episode where Georgia came to Ginny's therapy session, in which the whole point was to address why Ginny is the way she is, these particular fans sought every opportunity they could to villainize, not only, Ginny but her therapist as well. Especially when the therapist brought up how Georgia, as a white woman, might not be able to fully understand the struggles that her, biracial, daughter might experience/go through (like, what made her think dressing up as Scarlett O'Hara would not sit some type of way with Ginny?). Again, this session was to help Ginny, but these fans, not only, dismiss the very valid racial conversation taking place but fed into Georgia making the situation about herself. This is a big reason why I don't take people seriously when they say that they hate Ginny and criticize everything she does, but love Georgia and are ready to defend everything she does.
#ginny and georgia#ginny and georgia spoilers#possibly#like i love georgia as a character and can emphasize with her but at the same time i won't condone all her behavior#especially when it can negatively impact her kids#her trying to make ginny suffer through an uncomfortable & triggering family dinner bc when georgia was her age she didn't have the option#to run due to carrying for baby ginny was so telling about her mindset bc how is it ginny's fault when you decided to have her? that's a#thing i sadly see a lot of parents do which is blame their kids for existing when...it was the parents decision? that's not on them let#alone a teenager with mental health issues#and while it's completely possible to understand where georgia is coming from due to what she went through it's also not wrong to speak#about ginny's struggles at the same time#both are valid#(and i could go into how most of these fans in particular that im talking about are yte or nonblack and how their treatment of ginny can#carry some undertones but that's for another discussion)#ginny miller#georgia miller#like while ginny did get on my nerves on occasion and i do think she could be a bit bratty im also not going to throw all my sympathy for#her out the window (also imma defend a black/biracial character whenever i get the chance bc fandom can be racist)
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before i go do smth else like smth i think abt often but was thinking abt a few hrs ago in particular is how the circus easily tricks the audience into thinking the circus would be Better Than Real Life. when i think from literally almost any angle you examine it its just as bad (if not worse, depending on your own problems)
i think theres like so many problems its hard to even list them all. some of it is personal taste things. cus i think a lot of people think itd be fun because they enjoy specific aesthetic choices in the circus, or bc of other interest related things. but like. what about people who HATE bright colors. what about people who dont like the idea of not being human. what about people who dont enjoy things like roleplaying. some aspects of the circus are only even appealing to specific tastes in things, making one of the few 'draws' of it not really even being a universal thing
and thats the superficial stuff. because more importantly, if you dont like the real world (for whatever reason), the circus may provide a temporary solution to that, because its so far removed from reality. but i think the circus is way smaller than people realize. theres definitely always going to be things to see since caine can always make things, but its just as limited if not more than the real world, because while the world grows and changes, genuinely new things are created and discovered and stuff. caine will never really get to see that, let alone recreate it for the players- and even then, it still isnt actually that thing. that doesnt even factor in that caine is already operating on limited knowledge of the real world. its not clear how detailed he can get on things, since the accuracy can vary (spudsys being so accurate to the real world, vs the dinner in ep 1 being so flat and lacking almost any detail), but theres a good chance that anything he makes is going to be limited to, at the most, a CONCEPT from the real world, if theres nothing in the real world you like, thats still all youll get, just in a different way.and if you DO like things from the real world, youll never get to truly reexperience it (even if caine remakes it, youll know its not the real thing, and it wont be 100% how you remember it, either)
then theres the safety/pain/horror aspect to what caine makes. i think because there hasnt been gore or anything its easy to assume the circus is still tame, and that anything bad that happens cant be TOO bad. but this is NOT true at all. the teaser of the show establishes that even when caine is not going for horror, he still hurts the players. theres things thatd be physically horrifying to a person like getting possessed, theres physical pain (i see it debated but i think its clear that even if they were to experience less pain, they still DO experience pain, but thats a different topic) or extreme discomfort, theres psychological torment (the exit doors are genuinely very cruel even if that wasnt caines goal, what ep 4 did to jax and gangle. kinger getting taunted in ep 3, etc). its all survivable but even if you like them caine isnt trustworthy enough in this way to never do smth horrific to a person, or cause it through his actions
then theres the complete lack of autonomy, which imo is one of the most frightening things about the circus. bc unless your tastes are always aligning with the exciting, completely family friendly existence of the circus, and you never deviate even a little, you are going to be barred from any semblance of it. its best illustrated in how pomni HATES being touched but caines always prodding her and moving her places and stuff, and in how zooble is denied the option to opt out of adventures even when they state they want to directly by episode 4 implying the choice to even have time to yourself is deeply conditional (plus, the whole lack of an exit entirely meaning that even if you liked the circus, the lack of option to leave would still affect a person. youre getting locked in a big room for the rest of time and youll never get to leave). and also this post
and THEN you factor in the social aspect. because regardless of how you prefer socializing if at all, the circus is a nightmare. if you dont like people, thats great! you dont NEED to be anyones friend! except that you are going to be forced to interact with them eventually, and when you do its going to be repeated. its not gonna be once. and once caine notices hes going to bother you about it. forever
alternatively, if you DO like social interactions in any way, no matter what, if its not you, youre going to see others abstract. you are going to inevitably watch those you care abt struggle and eventually get stuck in a state that Seems Extremely Horrifying To Experience forever. its long and drawn out and itd suck and it wouldnt happen once
then is the easy to forget fact that if you have psychological problems they can and WILL follow you to the circus. gangle and zooble are the biggest examples of this. the circus didnt get rid of their problems, they just gave it a new, horrifying inevitable consequence. i sometimes fall victim to looking at the circus and assuming that ohhh i wouldnt have this problem! because i wont have to deal w it getting set off! but like... yeah i would. i wouldnt stop having this or that in the circus id just have to deal w it while ALSO going on adventures
theres many things. you cant truly eat you cant die you dont get to decide anything when you do die it seems terrifying to experience and youll be stuck in some level of that forever and anything you enjoy is not with you and anything you dont enjoy will follow you too to some degree and the list goes on and on
all this said i dont think any of this is an indicator that the characters lives are meaningless or smth just because it sucks. theres a reason gooseworx has said that the takeaway from the show should be that theres meaning to be found in a stagnant life. theres still meaning in their existence and i dont think its as hopeless as it may seem- but i think its still BAD. and tbh the idea that its worse only HELPS that theme of the show!!! i dont think itd hit as hard as a theme if the circus DIDNT suck
#tadc#being stuck w a person like jax is its own problem i think its easy to think youd be an exception to his actions#but it feels very unlikely#the man is a canonical 4chan user. he is going to be mean to you unless youre willing to physically harm others with him too#BUT! yeah#idk how well i worded this ive been struggling to type it for a minute bc im high#but its like... idk the circus is very horrifying to me and i dont think a lot of the themes plot pts characters or character arcs#would land nearly as well if the circus wasnt as bad as it is#it highlights very well written aspects of the characters that wouldnt feel as notable if the circus was fine#like for example without an understanding of how terrible it is. why pomni wants to leave so bad can get muddled#anyway i just think abt this a lot the teaser is certainly not canon in its events#but it still highlights how terrifying caines actions can get for the players#theres a reason even kinger who has a very healthy (as far as i can tell) mindset abt it all still struggles immensely#i fall for sometimes thinking the circus might be nice to be in but the thing is once i think abt it anymore im like#ohhhh god thats horrifying i dont want that#sorry if any of this doesnt make sense. ill reread it later but for now i wanna go do literally anything else#but type long drawn out sentences and paragraphs in a cohesive way#ask to tag#OH ALSO. smth i think abt a lot is the idea that the circus can and will infantilize you. which would be miserable. but i dont have it in m#rn to elaborate further on that pt but its part of a bigger thing in the show that#feelss intentional and potent. maybe ill talk abt it later#circus discussion
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One of the absolute best things about the bros is that they just. Play. They play around like the teens they are, playing ball, or video games, or anything else. They just play and have fun together, genuinely enjoying each other’s company. I dunno, I just appreciate how easy it is for them to mess around and be kids.
#rottmnt#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles#it’s what makes Raph’s mindset at the beginning of the movie so tragic to me tbh#bc like on one hand he’s absolutely not WRONG that Leo (and Donnie and Mikey) need to take being heroes and a team more seriously#but on the other he shouldn’t have to sacrifice his own childhood for it y’know?#raph IS the one who has most consistently pushes them being heroes and#I can’t help but think the shredder incident only pushed him harder in that direction#but to a bit of a detriment#it’s honorable but self destructive in a way#the thing that gets me too is that contrary to popular belief raph DID have fun and a childhood pre shredder#sure sometimes he had to be the responsible one but pretty much all of them got stuck in that position now and again#raph still got to be a kid and then#idk it’s what makes the ending of the movie so poignant to me#bc it’s RAPH who suggests the game it’s RAPH who takes them away from a moment of responsibly and pushes them to do something FUN#and I adore this I really do#so much
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Ace and Sanji are so alike because their mental stability is as strong as the thinnest piece of paper in a scissor factory.
Sabo: You're so reckless that the universe will kill you soon Ace: You've been saying that for ages and I am still waiting because it's never soon enough
Sanji: *accidentally drops a glass of water and it breaks* Sanji: Maybe I should just die
#get them to therapy please#does this count as acesan#let's say it does bc i am doing it with the mindset of these two dating and being mentally ill together#one piece#portgas d. ace#black leg sanji#revolutionary sabo#acesan
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i will say one thing i’m not super thrilled about is the obvious rex and rae pairing set up that’s happening. i mean it’s not super obvious in the conventional sense but obvious in the way invincible does romances of “boy and girl stand in room talk to each other oooo bam dating now”. i just think its a little sad that they genderswapped rae and wanted to give her a bigger story and decided the only way they could do that was by…… pairing her up with a dude. okay. sure what the hell i guess
though if i am just jumping the gun and they dont actually get a budding romance arc i’ll eat my own foot and be pleasantly surprised
#i haaaate the whole ‘everyone has to pair up bc duh’ mindset that a lot of shows have#its just gets a little exhausting for a lone aro in these trying times#invincible#invincible spoilers#willow whispers
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i’d love to know how much of early day's spn subtext was deliberate or just a happy accident bc the subplot of 1x08 bugs is sam and dean butting heads about how they were raised and sam hating it while dean tells him he should accept it as they protect a family; predominantly a father and son
the father and son argue bc the son is different and not who the father wants him to be while the son feels ignored and shunned (aka sam). sam spends the episode empathising with him and telling him he can look forward to going to college to get away from him just like he did while dean cuts in to say he should stick with his family
the entire episode, dean defends john and the way he raised them ("maybe he needed to raise his voice but sometimes you were out of line"), it even starts with him and sam arguing over their illegal ways of making money and how they were brought up in the life; dean adapting to and enjoying it and sam wanting to be honest and straight
they talk about sam being sure john is and always has been disappointed in him just for dean to say john used to go to stanford whenever he could to check on him and something about his expression is so bitter; like he knows john would never express that care for him
but at the climax when they're trying to get matt to convince his dad to leave, sam is the one telling him to tell the truth and make his dad listen whereas dean tells him to lie; implying he wouldn't trust his son enough to believe him
he outright scoffs at sam and asks him what he was thinking for trying to get matt to tell the truth
the entire episode, dean is advocating for the kid to work it out (almost to just take it) and stay with his family but when push comes to shove, he tells him to lie
sam who spent years resenting john and his family for how they were raised, fell back on "making him listen"; echoing all the arguments he had with john, trying to force him to understand who he is while john's too blinded by vengeance to even begin to try. the same way sam refuses to see how they were raised and why they were raised that way from john’s point of view, hinting at how similar people they are (which still isn’t an excuse but also not the point rn)
dean winchester, the king of repression and masking (and fawning), dean who at this point is still staunchly defending john, tells a shunned kid with a harsh father to pretend in order for his father to care enough to listen to him and believe him
dean knows reasoning won't work bc he's watched it happen over and over again with sam and john
even the way matt tries to say, “but he’s my… (father)” feels like he’s coming over to dean’s point of view; that matt as a son respects his father to enough to tell the truth and no matter how much they’ve fought, that should trump everything. but dean still insists he lies. and matt tells the truth. and his father doesn’t listen
there's no way they intentionally made dean subconsciously know that a man raising his son in a mimicry of how john raised them wouldn't respect or trust his son enough to believe him about something potentially life threatening after half a season of john ignoring them about something potentially life threatening
right?
#sam accusing dean of being perfect and thats why john never yelled at him actually makes me crazy#especially when you take in how much dean fawns when hes around john#fawning being the fear response of making yourself as unobtrusive as possible so you dont become a target#deans fawn response is to be the soldier; to always agree and listen to orders and be johns mini replica so he doesnt make waves#its not just him being a good son despite how much thats hammered into us over the course if the show#thats why he tries so hard to get sam to just agree and do as hes told; not just bc he thinks john is right but so it wont cause an argument#arguments he expressly hates despite being highly confrontational with literally everyone else#he only has a fawn fear response when it comes to john and sam; not even bobby gets the same level of repression#anyway i unintentionally started a rewatch and dean flipping on a dime about how the kid should be with his father twigged my interest#and how much of it was intentional? in the good supernatural in my head all of it is#but alas this is the real supernatural and it was probably completely unintentional and means nothing#especially since the episode ends with the kid throwing away the things that make him different#and sam saying he wants to apologise to john in person for the things he said to him when he left for stanford#hes dean says he will apologise then theyll immediately be at each others throats again but he doesnt really progress at all beyond that#he spends the whole episode saying relationships are a two way street and sam said awful things and should pick up the slack between them#and he ends with that same mindset so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ likely all of it was unintentional#coming out of my cage and ive been doing just fine.txt#carry on my wayward son#talk meta to me#supernatural#spn#meta#dean winchester#sam winchester#john winchester#john winchesters a+ parenting#save post
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